Hillary Clinton may want your lavender vote, but the Democratic Presidential candidate doesn’t believe in your right to marry.
While some delude themselves by saying she’s playing politics by supporting civil unions, Clinton tells The Advocate‘s Sean Kennedy she’s “authentically” against gay marriage:
This is an issue that I’ve had very few years of my life to think about when you really look at it, when you compare it to a whole life span. I am where I am right now, and it is a position that I come to authentically.
Hmm… So, when’s the next HRC event?
Dawster
wow… who knew?
oh, right… ANYONE WITH EARS AT THE LOGO FORUM.
Bill Perdue
If Hillary Clinton gets in we’ll see a curdled rerun of Bill Clinton sans the sax and sex. Get set for a long war; she supports Bush’s plans to nuke Iran, voted for and votes to sustain the unlawful genocidal invasion of Iraq and insists that the ‘surge’ is working. The opposite is true; it’s led to more GI’s getting mauled and more Iraqis getting murdered. She avoids discussing full equality for gays and lesbians because she’s against it. The best you can expect from her is a modest coat of cosmetics to conceal real problems.
She isn’t the most qualified candidate but she’s home schooled by Bill Clinton, who thinks same sex marriage is ‘the kiss of death’ for Democrats. (It will be, just not the way he thinks.) Hillary blames Gore, not the Bill and Monica Show for their heartbreak in 2000. She blames everybody BUT Bill Clinton and his DOMA for their fiasco in 2004. His wholehearted support for DOMA was manna from heaven for the Republicans who used it to scapegoat us and get reelected in 2004. The other reason Democrats lost is because they could scarcely make an issue of the war; it’s their war as much as Bushes, and that’s never been truer than now.
Now here’s a puzzle. How did Bill Clinton, a hustling Little Rock lawyer always on the side of big business and the obscenely rich, still manage, as if by accident, ending up a gazillionaire. He and the Democrats helped ram DOMA and DADT into law. When he did stand tall it was on the backs of working people. He fought hard for NAFTA, an agreement calculated to erode the standard of living of union and non-union workers in Canada, Mexico and the US. He pardoned rich criminals like fugitive financier Marc Rich, while abandoning political prisoners to their fate.
Hillary Clinton’s one big chance to show off her political cleverness, aside from being the midwife of DOMA, was her botched health care bill. It was crafted by the very insurance companies that would have profited from it. But, as luck would have it, it was so byzantine and tortuous that no one with an average Congressional IQ could get make heads or tails of it. It died of mortification.
For the last year or so she’s crossed the country, Bible pressed to bosom, ‘dialoging’ with christian bigots, misogynists and anti abortion fanatics. It’s paid off. Robert Murdoch, the obscenely rich owner of Faux News and several right wing rags that would make the editors of Der Angriff blush with envy graciously hosted a private tête-à -tête for her at the Fox News building in 2006 where she no doubt made her deal(s) with the Devil. Unlike some poor deluded suckers, the obscene rich don’t give a rat’s ass who’s in power. They’re serenely confident that if they find a democrat or Republican in the Oval Office they’re for sale. They haven’t been disappointed since U.S. Grant took office in 1868.
Leland Frances
Congrats, Bill. You’ve outdone yourself in stringing together the biggest slithering mass of exagerations and outright lies yet.
Everyone else: pay no attention to Bill, the Stealth Republican, whose real purpose is to trick people into not voting for any Dem so that his fascist masters the Repugs can steal the White House yet again.
As for you, My Queertys, what purpose does your demonizing any Dem serve. Do YOU want to contribute to another situation like we had in 2000 when “All Or Nothing” Naderites helped create the situation that allowed George Bush to steal the White House the first time with only 537 votes? Instead of bashing Hillary [or anyone else—please tell us who you DO like. And GROW THE FUCK UP about gay marriage. It’s dead for this election cycle. You can piss and moan and bitch all you want but it’s childish to think it’s a viable issue this time around when it’s not. No matter WHAT Evan Poor Johnny One Note Wolfson would have us believe.
ANY Dem candidate at their worst is better than ANY Repug candidate at their best.
Gregoire
Gay marriage is about 9th on my list of priority issues I look at in a candidate. Why, for instance, would I vote for somebody who’s for gay marriage but who has absolutely no clue about economic issues or foreign policy? Hell, immigration is a bigger deal to me than gay marriage.
Most of the democrats with a chance to win feel the same way about marriages vs civil union, rendering this mostly a non-issue.
Dawster
that’s not true Leland…
i would certainly take Ron Paul over Hillary any day.
Leland Frances
“i would certainly take Ron Paul over Hillary any day”
Then you’re a fool. The election of ANY Repug, no matter how less heinous than most, helps empower the rest of the them. Based on these votes, I wouldn’t want him even as a Dem:
• Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a “pro-family†voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
• Voted NO on establishing “network neutrality” (non-tiered Internet). (Jun 2006)
• Embryonic stem cell programs not constitutionally authorized. (May 2007)
• Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
• Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
• Voted YES on funding for health providers who don’t provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
• Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
• No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)
• Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating an anti woman’s right to choose voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
• Voted NO on allowing stockholder voting on executive compensation. (Apr 2007)
• Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
• Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
• Abolish the federal Department of Education. (Dec 2000)
• Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
• Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
• Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
• Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
• Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
• Voted NO on increasing AMTRAK funding by adding $214M to $900M. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
• Close departments of Energy, Education & Homeland Security. (May 2007)
• Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007)
• Voted NO on granting Washington DC an Electoral vote & vote in Congress. (Apr 2007)
• Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Abolish federal Medicare entitlement; leave it to states. (Dec 2000)
• Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
• Abolish federal welfare; leave it all to states. (Dec 2000)
Dawster
yep… i dislike (distrust) Hillary THAT much.
by the way, i didn’t way i WAS voting for Ron Paul… you asked, i gave my opinion. sorry it upsets you.
Bill Perdue
Poor, poor Leland. Most people would be ashamed of backing Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney or any candidate of the Democratic and Republican Party. But not Leland, he’s a cultivated gent who able to hold his nose, close his eyes and ignore the fact that they’re prowar, antiunion, shifty on abortion, stubbornly against full equality, against impeaching Bush, for ‘régime change’ in Iran, two faced, gullible about the ‘surge’, pals with Robert Murdoch (the only guys further right than him wear armbands), and who don’t have to be seduced by lobbyists. They’re already in bed. them.
Poor, poor Leland. He’s got the unenviable job of convincing us to do the same. It wont’ Happen. Leland’s brand of 1950’s politics, epitomized by hiding in a political closet and waxing hysterical about yet another “utterly, absolutely, for sure this time, I’m not kidding, totally CRUCIAL ELECTION†are wearing thin. Americans want real CAHNGE not cosmetic cover-ups. The GLBT communities want equality under the law – full equality and nothing less. No thanks, Leland but Bush1, Clinton1, Bush2, and now Clinton2 are a bit much. You can have them. We’re unwilling to settle for more of the same. Who needs eight more years of that shit?
On August 23rd, 2007, In another blog Leland said
that insisting on full equality “And reinforcing that popular misconception among hoi polloi only adds to the “all or nothing,” mind set that could doom us in November 2008.” (Hoi polloi: ordinary people, as opposed to the wealthy, well-educated, or cultivated elite.) Now you know something real about Leland, he’s a contemptible elitist jackass who thinks we’ll get scared stiff if he whines hysterically and scandal mongers.
Poor, poor Leland. You’re not, but you should be ashamed of using the tactics of McCarty, J. Edgar Hoover and that scumbag real estate developer in Portland. How many more spies are waiting to expose you as an elitist, antiquated hack. Is the NLGTG after you; what about Ralph Nader, the Greens, Pete Camejo, or the unions who founded the US Labor Party? Is Reichen part of the cabal?
Poor, poor Leland. Take the lithium the nice doctor gave you and give it a rest.
hisurfer
Damn Leland – I used to point to Ron Paul as the type of Republican that wasn’t so bad. You’ve gone and shot that idea all to hell now.
Note to the rest: see, cold hard facts work so much better than slander and name calling.
ProfessorVP
Ron Paul, if you didn’t know, is still for Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell. Which makes him a piece of crap.
Hillary “Two Presidents for the Price of One” Clinton gave us Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell in the first place. This, of course, was after Clinton had promised to end the hateful ban by executive order. “Oh, but Noooooo President can end the ban by executive order.” Baloney. Harry S Truman did for blacks, and believe me, 60 years ago, it wasn’t the popular thing to do. But let’s say for a moment that it’s true that a president can’t end the queer ban by executive order; okay, let’s suspend reality and say he couldn’t do it. Well, then, he shouldn’t have PROMISED it. And in doing so, got gay campaign contributions and gay votes.
Bill Perdue is 100% correct in the unpleasant things he wrote about the Clintons throwing us under the bus. He is also correct that a vote for Hillary is a vote for a protracted American presence in Iraq. There is not one thing Perdue wrote that doesn’t withstand scrutiny. Tough titty if you don’t like the truth.
Remember this, folks: When you vote for somebody like Hillary Clinton, what you succeed in doing is actually destroying the chance we’ll ever have a system in which the two parties have any substantial difference between them.
dfrw
Well, first of all, voting for a Republican or a Libertarian is completely out of the question. The next thing to keep in mind my little queerty cuties is to keep your wallet closed when the politicians come-a-knocking except for Dennis Kucinich. He is only as unelectable as people say that he is. On election day, if Hillary Clinton is on the ticket, then I will vote for her. However, I sure won’t give her any money and I recommend that you all don’t either. No candidate that does not believe in full and equal marriage for two consenting adults is not worth even one of my dimes.
dfrw
Sorry, that should have been, “A candidate that does not believe in full and equal marriage for two consenting adults is not worth even one of my dimes.”
ProfessorVP
I would drink my own piss before I’d vote for Hillary Clinton. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
dfrw
Are you saying, ProfessorVP, that you would vote for a Republican or Libertarian before voting for a lesser of two evils Democrat? I truly believe that they are far worse that the untenable Hillary Clinton. Daniel
dfrw
I cannot type at all today. “I truly believe that they are far worse THAN the untenable Hillary Clinton.” Daniel