HRC’s inquisitive commemoration of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’s 14th anniversary concludes with some words from Hillary Clinton.
In case you guys haven’t been paying attention, the gay non-profit asked the Democratic presidential candidates this simple question: “If you are elected President, what concrete steps would you take to overturn ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?'”
John Edwards answered first – well, sort of. The well-coiffed candidate didn’t tell us what he’d do to repeal Don’t Ask, but he did remind us that it’s wrong. Thanks, John. Chris Dodd took a similarly insufficent stance, while Joe Biden highlighted more progressive nation’s queer inclusion. The Senator from Delaware also called the United State’s policy “irrational”.
Barack Obama provided some clear direction yesterday when he say he’d sign the Military Readiness Enhancement Act. Clinton also provides some answers, saying she’ll work with former military leaders like former Joint Chiefs chairman John M. Shalikashvili and gay activist Eric Alva, the first soldier injured in Iraq. The Senator does not, however, explain any political steps. In fact, her answer seems like just another way for her to remind us that she’s a Washington insider, a common tactic in her campaign.
So, without further ado, here’s what Hillary had to say:
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I strongly believe that anyone who has the courage, strength, and valor to serve our country should be able to do so. We are at war and our top generals are warning that America’s military is stretched to the breaking point, yet we have a policy that dismisses good people from our ranks. Even service members with critical skills such as Arabic language skills are being discharged because they are gay. Senior retired military officials who can speak freely say this law does not serve our national security interests. These same military leaders are confident that repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell won’t lessen standards of behavior or lower morale.
As President, I will work with high-profile military leaders, such as former Joint Chiefs chairman John M. Shalikashvili and Retired Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy, the first woman to achieve the rank of three-star general in the Army, who have called for repeal of the law. I will stand with soldiers like retired Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, the first American soldier to be seriously wounded in Iraq, and retired Army Sgt. Jose Zuniga, former Army Soldier of the Year, who are shining examples of why this law no longer makes sense.
Over the last seven years in the Senate, and as a member of the Armed Services Committee, I have built relationships with members of Congress and senior military officials through my work on the Armed Services Committee. When I am President, I will bring this strength and experience to bear to end this outdated and outmoded policy.
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Matt
Well, yeah, Queerty (“In fact, her answer seems like just another way for her to remind us that she’s a Washington insider, a common tactic in her campaign.”). Sad fact is that it’s going to take more than someone pitching a fit in the Oval Office to make stuff like this happen. It will take finessing relationships, working icky sticky corridors of power, making deals, and making trades. HC knows how that works — and is more likely to make it happen than someone who alienates the sadly-necessary Insiders by bloviating about his Outsider status. I’m just sayin…
Jason
Um, yeah, Queerty. All your recent posts on DADT left me scratching my head…. Love on Obama all you want, but making an issue about DADT, when all the candidates basically agree, is just bizarre. And Matt’s right about the insider thing. But even if you want an “outsider” to kill the bad policy, why not just say that, instead of pretending the candidates differ in any substantial way in their commitment to make it happen.
Gregg
I’m no Hillary fan, but this is a good answer.
I’m not surprised though, seeing as the question originated from the Hillary-pushers at HRC. They’re obviously going to play to her strengths.
dizzy spins
When i first looked at the picture, I thought it was Hilary’s wax figure from Madame Tussauds! Thick pancake makeup and heavy rain (and possibly cosmetic surgery) do not mix well.
hells kitchen guy
deizzy spin: it is a wax figure. Among many other things, Hilary would never wear anything so colorful and “feminine.” Just those goddam black pantsuits that make her look “busy” (like a mid-level vice-president at a savings and loan).
hells kitchen guy
Andplease don’t flame me for dishing her outfits because she’s a woman. You should see what I said about Bill Bradley’s makeup when HE was running for president!
hisurfer
I thought all the main Democrats have given decent answers so far. I”m not worried about hearing concrete and detailed proposals at this point – that’s a dangerous path for any politician to take before they’re in office, on any issue. It limits flexibility, and one deviation opens you up to loud cries of ‘betrayal!’
And now I’m confused. So that is a wax statue? It’s not very flattering. Someone needs to take away the artist’s funding.
ProfessorVP
Little thing everyone’s forgetting- Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell was the brainchild of Bill and Hillary “Two Presidents for the Price of One” Clinton. Y’know, after Bill had promised to strike down the gay ban in the military by presidential order. No, I’m not making that up. I was an adult in 1992. Shit, I was even OLD in 1992. So I remember it. So, after Bill got my vote he decided to ask PERMISSION from ‘phobes like Colin Powell, Sam Nunn et al. Surprise, surpise… they didn’t go for it. Okay, so a compromise. As long as gay folks kept their perv status a secret… y’know, cause they’re pervs… it would be okay to serve… even though they’re pervs. Funny, that’s not what Bill promised when I voted for him. As long as I would vote for Bill, I was, as the kids say, way cool. However, AFTER he got my vote, I was a perv.
By the way, if there are any rubes left who don’t know this– Hillary Clinton is a lesbian. And if this corrupt, lying harridan somehow gets the nomination, the Republicans will rub Hillary’s sexual orientation in our faces 24/7. Which just goes to prove: Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell doesn’t work, not in the military, not in civilian life.
ProfessorVP
Oh, btw– forgot to mention: after her campaign hq bombscare today, Hillary made a statement in a hurry and forgot to put in her blue contact lenses. Like everything else about her: phony.
hells kitchen guy
Why does wearing tinted contact lenses make you a “phony”? She’s not a lesbian. And Clinton did screw up gays in the military – but he tried. And oh yeah, Professor VP, you talk out your backside.
ProfessorVP
Hells, stats show that when it comes to presidents, the voters prefer blue eyes. It is not a coincidence that Hill started wearing colored contacts as she ran for political office.
Sorry to tell you, there is no free lunch, no Santa Claus, and yes, anti-gay Hillary is really a lesbian. Not something I just found out either,
nor am I the only one who knows it:
http://bigheaddc.com/2007/10/31/la-times-sitting-on-an-explosive-prez-candidate-sex-story/
Surprisingly, or maybe unsurprisingly, some of the lesbo rumors started from Bill himself; he told Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky, among others.
When Bill Clinton ran for president in ’92, he didn’t promise to “try” to end the gay ban. He promised to end it with the stroke of his pen, as Harry Truman had done to end the idiotic and hateful racial segregation in the military decades before. Do you think the generals agreed with Truman? Don’t make me laugh.
See if you can post anything without using the words shit, ass, backside, fuck, take your meds, calm down or other childish drivel. You’re in over your head, Hells. Politics is not for everyone.
Gregg
A) Who CARES if Hillary is a lesbian or not?
B) Contact lenses = so what? Voters also like stylish hair, conservative clothes, and people who bathe. It’s an image. All politicians do it. In fact, most PEOPLE do it to some extent.
hisurfer
Big Head DC is on the same side of the truth as the Weekly World News. If you’re getting your information from that site then bad news: you’re the rube. Don’t feel bad. There’s one born every minute.
ProfessorVP
Gregg, I’ll give you that Hill’s eye color change isn’t the most important thing about her, but you know if her focus group can make her change her eyes, Jeezus, what else?
Who CARES (caps are yours) if Hillary is a lesbian? Well, if she gets the nomination, you will find out that a lot of people care. Fox News will become Hillary is a Lesbian News. The Republican Party will answer its phones this way: Good morning, Hillary is a lesbian, may I help you? Yes, people care, especially rubes. The bible, you know.
I think you mean WHY should we care. 3 reasons: 1) Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell, 2) The Defense of Marriage Act, and 3) If Hillary is successfully outed, the Republican automatically wins, and 4 more years of Iraq, Afghanistan, probably Iran, and multi-trillion dollar deficits. And outing Hillary as a lesbian, Hisurfer, is like outing Bush as a moron. Big Head DC picked up the latest scoop on Hill, but her sapphic ways didn’t start 2 months ago, nor are the Big Head folks the only ones to think that way.
hisurfer
I’ve been hearing “Hillary is a lesbian” going on 16 years now. Nothing new here. And, as yet, no evidence.
ProfessorVP
What you don’t take into account is that the “evidence” so to speak for being a gay man or lesbian has a high bar. What you also don’t take into account is that there are high social and financial penalties for coming out, and high social and financial rewards for NOT coming out.
Proving someone is straight is easy; you’re just supposed to take the person’s word. Proving someone is gay is difficult: you want something that would hold up in a courtroom.
There was never any “evidence” that Rock Hudson was gay, and that includes contracting AIDS. Rock said, accuratrely, that he may have gotten HIV from the blood transfusions he got during by-pass surgery. No photo of him having gay sex exists; only word-of-mouth. Rock never came out.
No photo of Liberace exists of him taking it up the ass either; only, as with Hudson, a palimony suit. He sued a British tabloid for saying he was gay, and won. Liberace never came out.
There is no forensic evidence for the following: Little Richard, Richard Simmons, Ricky Martin, Clay Aiken, Lindsey Graham, Barbara Mikulski, Jodie Foster, Ed Koch or Rip Taylor. All claim to be straight, or won’t address the question. There is no DNA, semen, vaginal secretions or photograph of coitus for any of then- only the spoken word and circumstancial evidence.
The evidence of Hillary’s lesbianism goes back decades and involves many sources, but Bill Clinton is good enough for me. It was not uncommon for him, never very discreet, to grouse about Hillary’s failure to do her wifely duties, and why. Why do I care that Hillary is a lesbian? Because she has never been a friend to the LBGT community, isn’t now, and intends to maintain a permanent US presence in Iraq, which makes us all- straight and gay- less safe.
Gregg
VP – Your “reasoning” is ludicrous, and does not even deserve serious rebuttal.
ProfessorVP
Good, Gregg. Then you’ll have more time for 3’s Company reruns and Fox News.
Proving somebody is straight is easy; your subject is working with you. Proving someone is gay means working AGAINST what your subject wants, and quite different.
MauraHennessey
She doesn’t identify as gay so the right can speculate all that they want to. The real issue s hat she is not a strong supporter of ours. Sometimes I think that we need a Romney or a Huckabee win to radicalize and unite this community again.
hells kitchen guy
Ooooh Professor VP, I feel soooo zapped. Let’s see now: You “know” that Hillary Clinton because … you read it on the Internet! Oh, yeah, THAT proves it.
No, politics is not for everyone. It’s for people who have basic intelligence. It’s not for fools who want to act all “Inside the Beltway” by spreading asinine rumors that they have no first-, second- or 14th-hand knowledge of.
Besides, who the fuck CARES if the Hill does a little muff diving in her spare time. News flash, Prof: That’s why they call it “private life.”
hells kitchen guy
I should add that Hudson’s sexuality, to take one example, was known by anyone in that world. There has never been anyone — hey, let me repeat that, since you seem to be so obtuse — anyone who has ever said (notice I didn’t use “admitted,” as, unlike you with your use of words like “forensic” to describe allegedly clandestine homo activity, I don’t think there’s anything wrong it — Hello, Jerry Seinfleld!) that the Hill has ever dived for muff. NO one.
And your “reasoning” – that she’s never been a friend to LGBT community (false), and will maintain presence in Iraq (also fase,but that has nothing to do wtih anything gay anyway), is idiotic.
Of course, if you’re as obtuse in your reasoning as you are, I could say, for example, that it really, really matters whether, oh, Brad Pitt is still faithful to Angeline Jolie. Why? Well, um, let’s see: She works hard for Unicef. If they get divorced, she’ll be less well known and won’t be able to do as much for the children of the world. and so on.
I doubt if you’ll understand any of this, as you seem to have the kind of ideology that ties everything up into a nice little bundle for you so you don’t have to think about anything.
hells kitchen guy
I guess bottom line is I’m no friend to Hillary myself but I get a little angry when I saw a someone who purports to being a card-carrying fag passing along the right-wing bullshit that any woman who is strong and shows leadership and even a temper must be a bulldyke.
ProfessorVP
Hi, Einstein. That is precisely what you need- forensic evidence, as with a crime, before you’ll believe someone is gay, because to you everyone is straight until proven gay. Y’know, like innocent until proven guilty.
The stories of Hill’s sapphic ways go ‘way back, but since it’s so filthy (to you, I mean), nothing will do because the testimony of people, including her own husband and numerous biographers don’t count; women don’t have toilet set so she can’t be busted like Larry Craig, and they don’t (generally) ejaculate, so no evidence can be scraped off a dress, as was with her husband’s case. Nothing will suffice for you. And I mentioned the cases of Hudson and Liberace because, by your standards, they were straight also. No concrete evidence exists. A Liberace apologist, as you are a Hillary apologist, could say that there’s no proof Liberace didn’t get HIV from a female. Similarly, Hudson himself explained his HIV status by invoking the blood transfusions, which were then not then screened for HIV, that he did, in fact, receive during heart surgery. I am not going to apologize for sailing over your head, Hells. Try to understand this, and get an adult to help you if necessary:
When somebody doesn’t want you to know something, it creates obstacles. Very few people are actually photographed having sex. The evidence that you require rarely exists. But if a supermodel said she had sex with, say, David Copperfield, that would likely be sufficient for you.
Nobody, certainly not I, said that it is Hillary’s aggressive, strident ways that make her a “bulldyke,” a hateful word I don’t use. She is a lesbian because she is attracted to women, not men. Where did I learn that Hillary intends to keep a permanent presence in Iraq? From Hillary herself. She said it, both in Q&A’s, and in the last debate. Current events is not for everybody. It involves more than television, especially those talking heads who scream over each other. It requires a commitment, especially regarding reading. Politics isn’t for everybody either. You are in over your head, Hells. I cannot hog this board any more to explain to you why Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act come directly from Hillary. Either you want to research, or you don’t. Not all comments and commenters are equal. You have only emotions, nothing else, to back yourself up. Suggestion: less writing, more reading.
Maura, whether Hillary identifies or not as gay is hedging the issue. She does or she doesn’t have same-sex attraction and relationships. But yes, you are right to say she has not been our supporter, an understatement.
Gregg
VP – your idiocy knows no bounds. It’s quite amusing to breeze through your diatribes, as they are so full of loopiness it’s like a ride on a child’s roller coaster.
Just the fact that you would insinuate that I would watch Fox “News” goes to show that you A) know nothing about me and B) cannot digest a word I’ve written.
ProfessorVP
Not a big meal to digest, Gregg. No substance, no facts, all emotion.
Gregg
Exactly, VP – not a big meal, but still it’s too complex for you. As opposed to the feast of “facts” you vomit.
You really are hilarious!
ProfessorVP
I don’t gain anything by hurting your widdle feelings, Gregg, but here’s why you are – to use a word a Jewish boyfriend long ago taught me- a schlemiel, which might be misspelled, but essentially means a dunce. You cannot actually say, “Here is why I disagree with what you said…, you are wrong because…” Naturally, you use words like loopiness and vomit. We’re not evenly matched.
After 8 years of Cheney running this country- actually, into the ground- we need a progressive president. And Hillary ain’t it.
Gregg
Go back and read response No. 17 and perhaps it will clarify things for you, VP.
Again you put your foot in your mouth, because if you recalled anything I have ever written about Hillary on these comment boards, including comment No. 3 on this very post, you would know that I do not support Hillary.
ProfessorVP
#17 was just queenspeak for “I have nothing to say.” #3 complimented Hillary for her answer about how she’d end DADT, which is like asking Hitler how he’d end the Holocaust. There is still much confusion about how we ended up with DADT in the first place. I suggest more reading, less writing, more empirical evidence and less emotion.
hells kitchen guy
Professor VP: For someone who’s so fucking dainty in his word usage (I suspect you’re the type who was objecting to our appropriating the word “queer” back in the day), you certainly know how to throw around the diatribes. I certainly don’t have to show you a reading list to prove that I’m a reader. But I do know one thing: You’re an idiot, a would-be dangerous idiot, the worst kind: Someone who has been “ejdeekated” and thinks he’s smarter than the rest of us. By the way, politics isn’t what might be; it’s what can be. Read the Republic. that’s by Plato, “Eintstein.”
hells kitchen guy
“Politics isn’t for everybody either.”
Gee, and here I thought we lived in a democracy, where politics actually WAS for everybody. Thanks for enlightening me, Prof!
ProfessorVP
No, politics is not for rubes or lazy-asses. I meant knowing anything about politics, and being able to actually contribute anything to a discussion. Politics is not your thing, Hells.
Give you an example. All last week I heard and read how Hugo Chavez’s consitutional reform on the ballot would make him president for life, and besides, the fix was in, the election rigged. A lazy-ass like you, for example, likely believed it, because that is easy. Someone more diligent would know that the ballot measure would remove term limits. Many free nations don’t have term limits. There is no established, legal term limit for the Prime Minister of England, for example. The dictator-for-life shit sounds like it came straight from Bush-Cheney, and likely did.
The ballot measure never said Chavez had the job for life, or that no one could run against him every seven years. Furthermore, Chavez lost; his reforms were defeated. So much for rigging. That’s just an example of how people buy into a lot of mainstream media crap. There is no substitute for reading, curiosity and research, and kiddo, these are things that you are not big on.
Whenever anyone counters an argument with you’re an idiot, take your medication, put on your straight jacket, you had a horrible childhood, you are the anti-Christ, you tear the wings off small birds, get a life, or other crap, it can only mean one thing: the writer of those things doesn’t KNOW anything.
hells kitchen guy
Hate to disappoint you, “Prof” but rubes and jackasses (nice!) have been participating in politics since Andrew Jackson hijacked the political process from the know-all Eastern Establishment (the 19th Century equivalent of Prof VP).
As for Venezuela, I don’t claim to know (or, frankly, care) that much about its internal workings, but it seems that term limits for an elected executive (which the British prime minister is not; he’s officially appointed by the queen, elected by his peers in the House of Commons – not the electorate) are a pretty good idea. We did after FDR won four terms. But I love people like you who extol “the people” when they vote the way you want; are sheep manipulated by Big Media when they don’t.
whatever. you’re a bore.
hisurfer
Of the top candidates, Hillary seems the most naturally comfortable around gays and lesbians. Both the Clintons are, despite the laws that were passed.
(disclaimer: yes I know that HC has flaws. We don’t need to have them rehashed endlessly. As does Obama, although some seem to think he’s a saint. Lately I’ve been leaning towards Hillary, but I’d be thrilled to have Obama was president too. I like both, but I get irritated at both).
“Whenever anyone counters an argument with you’re an idiot … it can only mean one thing: the writer of those things doesn’t KNOW anything” This is exactly what you do yourself, professor.
hisurfer
Of the top candidates, Hillary seems the most naturally comfortable around gays and lesbians. Both the Clintons are, despite the laws that were passed.
(disclaimer: yes I know that HC has flaws. We don’t need to have them rehashed endlessly. As does Obama, although some seem to think he’s a saint. Lately I’ve been leaning towards Hillary, but I’d be thrilled to have Obama as president too. I like both, but I get irritated at both).
“Whenever anyone counters an argument with you’re an idiot … it can only mean one thing: the writer of those things doesn’t KNOW anything” This is exactly what you do yourself, professor.
hells kitchen guy
Agree w/hisurfer. I’m not crazy about any of the 3 frontrunners, but I’ll sure as hell take any one of them over any of the GOP candidates who comes out on top. I’m a little tired of these pissy left-wing fags who’d as soon cut off their nose to spite their face, as tehhy say.
ProfessorVP
Hisurf, there is no denying that when you have to write things like pissy little left-wing fags, it is conclusive proof of not knowing anything. I don’t know if I’ve called Hells an idiot, but a rube certainly, for he is not a font of information. He cannot actually say, “This is why I disagree with you,” and then explain why. Because except for emotions, he is an empty kettle.
Hells, clearly you ran to google and looked up how British prime ministers get their jobs. I never said how they became Prime Minister, only that they had no term limits. The Queen does not meddle in politics; the public votes for the office of Prime Minister, unless there are special circumstances, such as Tony Blair voluntarily vacating. Gordon Brown was appointed
by parliamentary procedure, but he will have to run for office if he wants to keep his job. It is unlikely, but there is nothing to keep a British PM from keeping his job for life, but nobody ever says that, as they did about Hugo Chavez.
Of course you don’t care about Venezuela, it requires some homework. But it is very typical of the kind of trouble the US gets into and never learns from- trying to destabilize an oil-rich nation by claiming its leader is a tyrant. It has absolutely nothing to do with tyrrany, and everything to do with oil.
Again, it is not too late: more reading, less writing. More curiosity. Less emotion. Less name-calling, because it is your neon sign: “I do not know anything and am not in a hurry to find out anything.”
Gregg
HKG – I think you’re giving VP too much credit by calling him “would-be dangerous.” He is ranting his rants in the comments section of a queer blog. Where else would anyone even read what he writes – lol
ProfessorVP
Where else? In the Huffington Post, as ProfessorVP, and in other blogs under other names. Gregg, on the bright side, you make Hells look good. But empty kettles both. Neither of you can say, “Here is your point that is wrong, and why I disagree,” and then explain. It’s not that you won’t, but that you can’t. In the absence of information, people like you make your decisions purely on emotion, including voting. Which is why we’re in such a mess today.
Mike
You have to remember when you are president, the power-plays Hillary is talking about are sometimes the most important. The next democratic president will have to repeal DADT without losing the respect of generals and the Pentagon.
To show you how much as changed, back when Bill endorsed DADT, it was about the best he could do. The country was vehemently anti-gay then, gay issues were not even on the horizon. DADT, although enragingly hypocritical, was progressive for its time, and Clinton took a lot of flack for it.
Within the Pentagon and the military’s ranks, Bill lost A LOT of legitimacy and respect. Throughout his entire presidency, he had trouble developing respectful relationships with generals. It may sound disgusting, but Clinton’s inability to move the military on Rwanda or ratify the Landmine Ban Treaty are seen as indirect results of him endorsing DADT; the military no longer respected him.
hells kitchen guy
“clearly you ran to google and looked up how British prime ministers get their jobs”
Say wha? dude, you are a piece of work. (love that “clearly”; soooo pedantic.) BTW, I don’t consider “rube” to be pejorative. And having a blog on HuffPo only proves what an utter ineffective tool you are.
ProfessorVP
Hells, I should have told you what a rube is. It’s an unsophisticated/naive person, generally from the sticks. Still think it’s not pejorative?
I only mentioned Huffington because your fellow Mensa member Gregg ASKED me where there were other places I could be read. Don’t ask me if you don’t want me to tell you.
Gregg/Hells: the topic was Hillary and I wanted to discuss that, but you can only discuss ME. In fact, whether the topic were Iraq, the economy, politics or anything of substance, I would be happy to discuss it, but you only discuss ME.
All the attention is flattering, but I don’t kid myself into thinking you admire me with all that attention; it is because you don’t KNOW anything.
I cannot exchange ideas with you two, because you two don’t have any that aren’t about ME, a topic I think we’ve exhausted.
Now, on to the grown-ups: Mike, I have every reason to believe that Bill Clinton didn’t have an inability to move on Rwanda; he and Albright refused to do anything about it, going so far as to remove the word “genocide” when speaking or writing about it. Clinton now calls it a “regret.” I’ll say! They killed themselves there the old-fashioned way, with machetes. One could argue that if the victims were white, as, say, in Bosnia, Clinton would have acted otherwise. One could also question whether Clinton had an inability to repeal the gay ban, or did he just refuse to? He promised to before the election. You can’t say that he didn’t learn the poll numbers until after the election, can you? You also can’t say that Clinton didn’t promise voters to end the ban by executive order without asking himself, and his advisors, including Hillary, “Can I deliver on this promise?” My take is that he never intended to.
hells kitchen guy
Oh yeah, interesting how people like you who care so much to stick your nose into what goes on in a country 3,500 miles away because of your love for the little brown people uses a term like “rube,” a hateful term for people who live in rural areas, even leaving aside how it applies to someone who lives in the middle of Manhattan, but logic obviously isn’t one of your strong points.
ProfessorVP
But a moment ago, it wasn’t pejorative. What can I say, you should have looked it up. Between half a million and a full million of these “little brown people” got killed; we’ll never know the exact number. Even a small UN or American intervention would have saved them from stabbing themselves to death or setting themselves on fire. Not that you care, because this is certainly the first time you’ve heard of Rwanda.
A rube is generally or often from a rural area, but it is not required for your mentality; you don’t KNOW anything, which is why you only write about one thing: ME. Now please let me discuss real topics with the adults.
hells kitchen guy
Prof VP: Oh, I just have to say it: You’re fat, right? And you live in some buttfuck town? And you “would be” an academic, but “they” had a cabal against you. So you sit in front of your computer and foment revolution by typing on blogs. Because I’ve seen your type: sad, pathetic little nobodies, who think they can solve the world’s problems. Well, you DO have a purpose: You make the rest of us feel better.
ProfessorVP
Hells, I was even expecting something about being fat and having bad breath. No, my weight is normal by the insurance tables, and I work out 5 days a week. Between you and Gregg, save one comment about Hillary’s answer to a DADT question, there is virtually nothing among your many, many posts that aren’t about ME. Because that is easier than KNOWING anything. I don’t know what a buttfuck town is; I assure you there is buttfucking occurring in every town, even right now. There is a reason you write about my personal appearance and my mindset. You don’t KNOW anything.
Instead of making a fool of yourself obsessing about me, why don’t you turn yourself around- get curious about life, people, history, politics, everything? Read newspapers- left, right, centrist. Not just The Family Circus and the horoscope, either. The whole paper. Books. All kinds of books. Get a library card and use it. Of course, the internet, but a wide variety of informative sites, not just fluff. I am giving the best advice you ever got in your life. Then you can come back here and write about something besides ME.
hells kitchen guy
Why should I do all that when I can seat at your feet and absorb your aura, oh Great One?
Gregg
Darling VP – you are the “rube” who lowered the discussion here to contact lenses and HRC’s supposed lesbianism, and since then I have had no need to debate your “points” since your logic is clearly, as spelled out all over this page, flawed.
If you want to discuss politics and real matters of fact, you might do yourself well to stay on track instead of getting dragged off onto side issues that are of questionable import.
Gregg
Oh, and also VP, when you insult my supposed lack of intelligence with sarcastic references to Mensa, you might want to first check if you understand basic sentence structure and context. You say that I asked “you” where I could read your rants (I can’t help laughing even as I type that sentence) but if you actually read the comment I wrote – it is addressed to HKG, and refers to you as “he”. Therefore, “professor,” the question is not in fact directed to you.
But I understand how you would be confused, since in your mind the world obviously revolves around yourself.
ProfessorVP
You asked where else you could read what I wrote, although not directed to me, but you asked it. Certainly, if anyone knew the answer to that question, it would be me. So I answered it, Gregg. I assumed it was really for me and you were being coy.
Hells, even if you could use “seat” improperly as you did, the answer is still no; you would get more knowledge and information from being close to a good book than being close to my feet.
If Hillary wants no further discussion of her blue contact lenses to occur, she should stop wearing them. Still, you’re getting better– it is one of your rare comments not about ME. Did I mention why you guys discuss ME so much? Okay, once more: it’s be cause you don’t KNOW anything. Discussing ME is easy. Any eight-year-old could come here and write that I am fat, wear plaid shirts bottoned improperly and smell like sardines. It requires knowing nothing. That is why, with the rarest exceptions, you write about ME. Now hit those books, lazy-asses! Your writing about the only topic you feel confident about writing about- ME – got tiresome long ago.
Gregg
VP – Your baiting aside, your lack of intellectual rigor makes it a waste of time to bother debating your “points.” Your self-inflated ego might make you feel better, but your attempted put-downs only reveal your true, small, bitter self.
It’s far more fun to “poke” you and watch you freak out like the baby you are, than to waste energy debating your inane comments.
ProfessorVP
You can’t debate anything, fella. You have to KNOW something, bring something to the table to debate. I can imagine a debate with you. Me: I believe NAFTA has been a disaster from the beginning, and a major reason for American unemployment. You: You wear bowling shoes that stink. Me: Both elections were stolen, 2000 in Florida, 2004 in Ohio. You: You haven’t left your rat-infested basement since 1987, and so fat you can’t fit through the door.
It’s easy being you. You don’t have to KNOW anything. I’d be happy to debate you on the original topic of this thread, Hillary and the other candidates on DADT. But you’re not ready yet. Did I mention this?: You don’t KNOW anything. Now make an early New Year’s resolution: get curious about life and start reading.
hells kitchen guy
I just KNEW you smelled like sardines! Dude, whatever you think, whatever you do, whatever you write, get with the program: YOU’RE A TOOL! You’re an utter tool. You think you are the political knowitall, and YOU DON’T KNOW SHIT. This all started because you started by spouting some half-assed rumors about Hillary Clinton’s alleged lesbo affairs (nothing like being an witting tool of the right-wing). And you just keep digging your hole. I don’t have to justify my reading list to you, becuase you’re less than a nobody.
hells kitchen guy
unwitting tool. and yes, sit at your feet, oh Great One. (I’m sure before you fall asleeep you assemble all the Morning Goods photos on your computer and compose a fantasy of all the hot guys looking up adoringly at you as you inculcate them with your wisdom about DADT, NAFTA, ASTEA and UNICEF.)
ProfessorVP
I never claimed to know everything, but unlike you, something. I am actually waiting for Mike, an adult, to respond about the topic of Rwanda, which he raised.
Just in case you didn’t get the memo… you don’t KNOW anything. Instead of wasting energy at being pissed at the object of your attention (affection?), ME, why don’t you get curious about life- history, politics, the economy, what we used to call in school, “civics” or social studies? Oh, I forgot, too much work. Want to be even more lazy? I’ll write your next post for you: “ProfessorVP, you are a deformed midget who gargles with Comet.”
Why would you write that? Uh… let me think just a moment… wait up… oh, yes… because you don’t KNOW anything.
Gregg
Sad VP, I actually agree with you about the elections and NAFTA, so no, I wouldn’t debate you there. But you’ve got your head so far up your ass that you can’t even understand that just because people don’t want to discuss topics with YOU it might have less to do with what you suppose to be their lack of knowledge and more to do with the fact that you are a loser.
hells kitchen guy
“I never claimed to know everything, but unlike you, something.”
-Professor VP
“I only know that I know nothing.”
-Socrates.
So… you’re smarter than Socrates! You must be a professor or at least a teacher, because you’re obviously totally ineffectual (he who can does .. he who can’t, teaches … )
hells kitchen guy
I’m guessing an adjunct at a community college. That’s about the level of someone who projects people going on the Internet to find out how the fucking English prime minister gets appointed.
ProfessorVP
What Socrates said was hyperbole. That means an intentional, gross exaggeration to make a point. He was trying to convey that there is so much to know, that whatever we do manage to know is so miniscule (that means very tiny) as to be virtually nothing in the scheme of things.
Still fantasizing about my life, eh? Why not hit the books or, at least, some good periodicals instead because… you ought to see this coming… you don’t KNOW anything. You have no curiosity. There are so many things to discuss with an election year coming up, in particular. To do that, you need to do some homework. What do you say to that, Hells? Okay, I’ll answer for you: “ProfessorVP, you have nail fungus and work at 7-11!” Now why would you say that, I ask? Because… in case you didn’t get the memo… you don’t KNOW anything. The more you rant about the only topic you are comfortable with- ME- the more you prove my point. Y’know, the one about you not KNOWING anything, having nothing to contribute to an adult discussion. No, saying I wear dirty, mismatched socks is not a contribution to an adult discussion.
ProfessorVP
Gregg, I did say before- correctly- that you make Hells look good. I would be happy to discuss the elections and NAFTA or anything with you as long as you keep to those topics, and not stray to where all roads lead for you guys… ME. I have no problem with people having different viewpoints than I have; the world would be pretty boring if everyone thought the same thoughts. But to do that, one must HAVE a thought. No, you are a vile, fat, bald, unemployed pedophile is not a thought. It is pure emotion when caught not knowing anything. But as I said, if you want to discuss anything in an adult manner, I’m all for it.
Gregg
VP – I too am happy to debate issues with people of logic and intellect, but you don’t seem to comprehend that I feel no need to debate the inane points that you raise. Just because you throw out a plainly stupid or irrelevant idea, that doesn’t mean that everyone around you must debate it. Your attempts to belittle me do not somehow magically make your points more intelligent.
As far as insinuating that I would call you a “fat, bald, unemployed pedophile,” well you must be confusing me with someone else there, since I would need to know you personally to say any of that. I shudder at the thought.
No, in fact every disparaging remark I have directed your way has been directly based on your illogical display here.
Maybe I can boil it down for you: just because you say or think or type something, that does not automatically make it important or worthy of debate.
ProfessorVP
I couldn’t agree more with last sentence. But if I said, “Your writing such-and-such is irrlevant,
stupid, and just plain wrong,” I would say why.
The topic of this thread, Hillary, is very contentious. Gay people like to think this: she is a straight woman who is queer-friendly. When I point out that she is neither straight nor a political ally, it stirs emotions. The less information people have on this or any hot-button topic, the more they rely on emotions. For example, Hells saying my gripe with her is that she is too strong for a woman. Nothing of the kind, but there is an inverse ratio between knowledge and emotion. It’s true, I have trying to embarrass Hells, and likely succeeded, but only to get him to get curious, to seek information. I’ve made lots of mistakes before reading and listening more. I even voted for Reagan, for example, so the hostages would get freed. Then I learned later that Reagan’s people worked to PREVENT the hostages from getting freed. That did it for me. Since then, I read anything I can get my hands on. The case against Hillary is bedrock, but to absorb the facts, it means one must calm down, knock off the name-calling and emotionalism.
hells kitchen guy
“i have trying to embarrass Hells” – um, if I were as petty as you, I could tell you your grammar sucks. Oh, what the hell. Your grammar sucks!
Socrates DID mean he knew nothing. but hey, you “know” what he meant. Hyperbole! Um, no, he meant that the eidetic things – what we call Platonic ideals – are unknowable in the conventional sense. (and no, I didn’t “google’ that – I’ve read Plato). But then, when I read that you voted for Reagan, your whole personality was explained for me.
Love that “the case against Hillary is bedrock.” I wish I had your certainty.
PSYCH! I’m glad I don’t have your certainty. I’ll stick with old Soc.
Bill Perdue
ProfessorVP, if Hillary Clinton’s sexuality ever got to be a big deal and for some reason or other she claimed to be a lesbian I think we’d have to mount a massive campaign with demonstrations, press conferences, sit-ins, zaps and the like to refute it. Even if meant lying through our teeth.
Think of the shame, the humiliation and the disgrace of being associated in the public mind with a shoddy prowar, antiunion bigot like her; it’d just be too much. It would as appalling as if CBS broke the news that that when Bush deserted and went AWOL during Vietnam it was to set up house with a cute boy from the Texas Air National Guard. We’d never live it down; it’d set us back decades.
Keep in mind that the pro-Barney, pro-Hillary types are already on the extreme right wing of GLBT politics and as you say, their ignorance is embarrassingly awful. Happily, they’ll be gone soon, their adopted party is moving to the right at a very fast clip.
The ideas that the oil piracy in Iraq has nothing to do with GLBT politics is ignorance personified. The Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton oil piracy is murderous for our brother and sisters in Iraq. The butcher grand ayatollah Ali al-Sistani of Iraq, whose Badr Brigade is armed by the US military are eagerly carrying out his death fatwa against LGBT folk there. Hillary Clinton and most Democrats fund the war at every turn, refuse to impeach Bush, want the piracy widened to include Iran, demand that the Iraqis surrender their oil to US oils companies. Their funding assures that the murderers of the Badr Brigade will be able to chase down and butcher GLBT folk. One of their victims was 14 year old boy of unknown sexuality who was hacked to death by the Badr Brigade because he was because he was ‘too pretty.’
General Motors President Charles Wilson once said, “What’s good for General Motors is good for the country.†In 2003 Wal-Mart passed GM as the world’s largest company and hasn’t looked back. Their prosperity is based on busting unions, pauperizing working people and spreading globally. NAFTA, avidly supported by the Clintons’ was the key to Wal-Mart’s growth. Hillary Clinton sat on the Wal-Mart board of directors for six years. The Clintons prosperity is based on supporting union busters. The pro-NAFTA types are little better than simple minded toadies for the rich. In politics “uncertainty’ can be a lame justification for spineless submission to the status quo. In this cans we can be certain that it’s so.
ProfessorVP
Perdue, Hillary claiming to be a lesbian – y’know, contradicting what her husband, among others, has said about her more than once – is something we need never worry about. The Republicans are holding their fire about it now for a good reason. It could put the kibosh on her nomination. If she gets the nomination, then they will unleash and it WILL be a big deal. Yes, I’ve been aware of the things you wrote about, including Hillary’s Wal*Mart connection. But let’s be fair. When they lock their minimum wage, lunch and break-less peons in for the night, it is for their own protection, keeping them warm and out of trouble.
You win, Hells, congrats. Because I typed so fast I neglected to put the word “been” in the sentence “I have trying…,” well, what can I say- you win every point. I’m awfully embarrassed.
But seriously… abstract topics like philosophy and theology aren’t for everybody. Some things are not meant to be taken concretely. For example, the song “The Wind Beneath My Wings.” It is not about a freak humanoid/bird creature.
It’s just an expression about one’s inspiration.
Merely saying the words, “I know nothing,” cannot be taken literally because the speaker knows how to open his mouth, form words, and speak a language. But your having heard of Socrates is good. A good start! Now keep it up, hit some books. Good ones, I mean. Not Harlequin romances.
Yes, I voted for Reagan in 1980 only. I admit it. Then I got into the habit of being more curious, reading more and asking intelligent questions. If I don’t know something- a situation you likely encounter several times
daily- I don’t get petulant; I get curious.
That is what I suggest for you. Curiosity, inquisitiveness, good! Petulance, bad!
Gregg
Wow – I wasn’t even old enough to vote in 1980 and I still was able to see what a liar Reagan was. But bravo to you VP for having the balls to admit it.
Now please stop trying to make all of us pay for your ignorance.
There is no way I would vote for the liar Hillary. I will leave it at that and step out since the hot air in here is suffocating in its pomposity.
hells kitchen guy
Right on, Bill Purdue, cuz, you know, The Gays were living in Paradise under Saddam before we got there and screwed everything up.
Sorry, boys. I’m as against this war as anyone, but gay-wise, we got no dog in this hunt.
ProfessorVP
Gregg, you might be missing the point about my telling about voting for Reagan, albeit once, not twice. The point is that when you realize you’ve been hoodwinked, the best thing to do is to arm yourself with information. And from then on, I did. Now, if you are hip to Hillary’s lying ways, fine, you’ve done some homework. That you won’t vote for her confirms that.
Hells, here’s a little bitty article that you can handle. Unless everybody is lying, except the Bush-Cheney State Dept., this is the difference between life for gays under Saddam and under al-Sistani today:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ali+Hili-a0145633046
Hells, my first teaching assignment was the 7th grade in an urban school. Try teaching “The Scarlett Letter” to them. I had no choice, but tried my best. I would tell the parents, “This is off the record, and I’ll deny it if you quote me, but let them read Cliff’s Notes. It is better than nothing. And if they can get through it, it will give a sense of accomplishment, which is important.” That is what I suggest to you: start out small. An M&M, a matchbook. Magazines. Anything is better than nothing.
When you don’t know anything, there’s no concealing it. This is why you get so riled, because it shows. The best revenge? READ. ASK QUESTIONS. Talk less, listen more. It’s never too late.
hells kitchen guy
Oh, so you teach 7th grade? That explains a lot. Thanks for clarifying. No wonder you’re so boringly pedantic. And why you’d think someone would have to “google” to figure out the rudiments of the British parliamentary system. ‘Cuz that’s what a 7th grade teacher in some bumfuck school system would do!
hells kitchen guy
Longest. Queerty. Thread. Ever!
ProfessorVP
Nope, 7th grade was my first assignment out of college. I never said I do it now. That was in the 70s. Only a certain kind of person would make that mistake from what I wrote. What kind of person? Let me see now… just one moment, it’ll come to me… okay… somebody who doesn’t KNOW anything. Like how life was better for everybody under Saddam, except for his cronies. Gays, women, Christians, for example. Of course, you didn’t know that. Fella, instead of being embarrassed, be curious about the world. There’s a lot of material out there. It is not too late to start. There’s no denying that with every comment you write, you display… can you see it coming?… that you don’t KNOW anything. Only you can fix that. Now be curious! Start reading.
hells kitchen guy
Oh yeah, the ’70s, back when you were a big Reaganite.
Jackass.
hells kitchen guy
Longest thread ever!!!
ProfessorVP
Hells, every time you write something stupid and ignorant- which is every time you write- I or somebody else will embarrass you.
No, voting for Reagan, as opposed to Carter, doesn’t make one a Reaganite. I voted for Reagan once because I, and many others, believed it would free our hostages in Iran. In fact, within hours of Reagan’s inauguration, the hostages were released. There are many books on the topic. I suggest reading at least one because… here it comes… you don’t KNOW anything. Not only that, you don’t even understand plain English. I said my first teaching job was that of 7th grade. I didn’t say I currently do that. Since I view you as a child, I speak to you like one. Be curious and start to read. Don’t bite off more than you can chew; start off with easy things. But read SOMETHING. Get some information; it will give you a sense of accomplishment, as opposed to being emotional, which is no accomplishment.
Then you can discuss things with the grown-ups.
To exchange ideas, you have to HAVE ideas. That’s where reading comes in.
If you need help with English, or English is your second language, go to an adult education class. There is no shame in that. Bring yourself up to speed with the language. Then get curious. Read and ask intelligent questions. There’s a whole world out there.
hells kitchen guy
Well, good for you! You have the satisfaction of knowing you saved the lives of two dozen hostages and helped put in office a man who is ultimately responsible for 44 million deaths from AIDS.