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	<title>Comments on: Houston&#8217;s First Guerilla Gay Bar Goes Badly, But Is It Bar-Owner&#8217;s Fault?</title>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/houstons-first-guerilla-gay-bar-goes-badly-20090316/#comment-133550</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally know of bars which refuse entry to any man who &quot;looks gay&quot;.  The pretext they use is either &quot;not dressed appropriately&quot; or &quot;we&#039;re trying to maintain a gender balance&quot;.  These pretexts are simply a cover for discrimination, which in many cases may contravene state or city law.

All in all, I think it&#039;s wrong for any bar to refuse entry to anyone on the basis of sexual orientation. Same applies to gay bars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally know of bars which refuse entry to any man who &#8220;looks gay&#8221;.  The pretext they use is either &#8220;not dressed appropriately&#8221; or &#8220;we&#8217;re trying to maintain a gender balance&#8221;.  These pretexts are simply a cover for discrimination, which in many cases may contravene state or city law.</p>
<p>All in all, I think it&#8217;s wrong for any bar to refuse entry to anyone on the basis of sexual orientation. Same applies to gay bars.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/houstons-first-guerilla-gay-bar-goes-badly-20090316/#comment-133547</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This notion that it is the &quot;gays&#039; fault&quot; is just nonsense.  It is absolute nonsense from those who are trying to make excuses for homophobes.  If it was a group of blacks who were refused entry to the Union bar, would you similarly make excuses for the bar managers?  I doubt it. 

Simply put, I think the bar managers and their enablers are looking for excuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This notion that it is the &#8220;gays&#8217; fault&#8221; is just nonsense.  It is absolute nonsense from those who are trying to make excuses for homophobes.  If it was a group of blacks who were refused entry to the Union bar, would you similarly make excuses for the bar managers?  I doubt it. </p>
<p>Simply put, I think the bar managers and their enablers are looking for excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guerrilla Queer Bar was going on in SF like 7 or 8 years ago I think?  It&#039;s been so long ago I can&#039;t even quite remember.  The organizers would call ahead, and if a bar couldn&#039;t accomodate the rather sizable crowd, we would go elsewhere.  No questions asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guerrilla Queer Bar was going on in SF like 7 or 8 years ago I think?  It&#8217;s been so long ago I can&#8217;t even quite remember.  The organizers would call ahead, and if a bar couldn&#8217;t accomodate the rather sizable crowd, we would go elsewhere.  No questions asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe-Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/houstons-first-guerilla-gay-bar-goes-badly-20090316/#comment-133219</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe-Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to here from some gays that were actually let &quot;in&quot;  the club, since the ratio was utilized and  Union was packed to capacity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to here from some gays that were actually let &#8220;in&#8221;  the club, since the ratio was utilized and  Union was packed to capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: MontroseMonitor</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/houstons-first-guerilla-gay-bar-goes-badly-20090316/#comment-133197</link>
		<dc:creator>MontroseMonitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to identify myself as one of the 2 Houstonians that regularly read this blog (I get all my news from &#039;shady&#039; sources; The Daily Show, The Soup &amp; Queerty are my sole insights to the outside world from this island of cosmopolitan living in big red TX) and someone who attempted to participate in the inaugural GGB:

I&#039;m inclined to think our first foray into GGB was more than mildly mismanaged and the response was much more enthusiastic than anticipated; thank you very much viral marketing. The organizers chose a smallish location and there was a hugeish group of the GLBT community and their admirers all set for the imbibement of mass quantities at a new location. We Houston gays are always desperate for something New/Now/Fresh (c&#039;mon! we don&#039;t even have an H&amp;M or a Trader Joe&#039;s or a Nordstrom Rack, but at least they do serve free vodka drinks at 2pm on a wednesday if you shop at the upscale boutiques while trying on $400 jeans; we crave sport for sport is rare!).  

While we all love the idea of spontaneity it takes a lot more planning. The owners of Union bar were uncharacteristically forewarned of the immanent descent of thirsty pink patrons and were reported to have been welcoming of the idea; just not so darn many! I think we here in Houston need to catch our breath and figure out how to do this again and not so harshly judge Union Bar with such celerity. I wonder if that will happen; we of the Houston Gay Rights Caucus are infamously fickle.  

I don&#039;t want the rest of the world thinking that Houston is as backwards socially as many would have us limned.  Our very broadly popular mayor marches in our annual Pride parade, our city controller of 6 years is openly gay and making a bid for mayor next cycle (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anniseparker.com/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Annise Parker for Mayor!!&lt;/a&gt;) and we have and have had openly gay city council members regularly. As our nation&#039;s 4th largest city would be expected to behave, Houston is mostly quite inclusive.

Safety is of course a concern for bar owners and Texas has some unusual laws on public drunkenness (it&#039;s technically &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11995505/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;illegal to be drunk in public&lt;/a&gt;, including bars / nightclubs) and fire safety codes etc. blah blah blah ... I think mistakes were made on all sides but it&#039;s possibly more fun to be judgmental and dramatic.  We&#039;ll see; there were rumors about the management&#039;s behavior at Union and most of these comments could have been taken out of context. Only time will tell but will we Houstonites even be interested in trying it again? *shrug* The pool party season starts up shortly and we all have some cute trunks to debut ... and the whole issue might be forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to identify myself as one of the 2 Houstonians that regularly read this blog (I get all my news from &#8216;shady&#8217; sources; The Daily Show, The Soup &amp; Queerty are my sole insights to the outside world from this island of cosmopolitan living in big red TX) and someone who attempted to participate in the inaugural GGB:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m inclined to think our first foray into GGB was more than mildly mismanaged and the response was much more enthusiastic than anticipated; thank you very much viral marketing. The organizers chose a smallish location and there was a hugeish group of the GLBT community and their admirers all set for the imbibement of mass quantities at a new location. We Houston gays are always desperate for something New/Now/Fresh (c&#8217;mon! we don&#8217;t even have an H&amp;M or a Trader Joe&#8217;s or a Nordstrom Rack, but at least they do serve free vodka drinks at 2pm on a wednesday if you shop at the upscale boutiques while trying on $400 jeans; we crave sport for sport is rare!).  </p>
<p>While we all love the idea of spontaneity it takes a lot more planning. The owners of Union bar were uncharacteristically forewarned of the immanent descent of thirsty pink patrons and were reported to have been welcoming of the idea; just not so darn many! I think we here in Houston need to catch our breath and figure out how to do this again and not so harshly judge Union Bar with such celerity. I wonder if that will happen; we of the Houston Gay Rights Caucus are infamously fickle.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want the rest of the world thinking that Houston is as backwards socially as many would have us limned.  Our very broadly popular mayor marches in our annual Pride parade, our city controller of 6 years is openly gay and making a bid for mayor next cycle (<a href="http://www.anniseparker.com/home" rel="nofollow">Annise Parker for Mayor!!</a>) and we have and have had openly gay city council members regularly. As our nation&#8217;s 4th largest city would be expected to behave, Houston is mostly quite inclusive.</p>
<p>Safety is of course a concern for bar owners and Texas has some unusual laws on public drunkenness (it&#8217;s technically <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11995505/" rel="nofollow">illegal to be drunk in public</a>, including bars / nightclubs) and fire safety codes etc. blah blah blah &#8230; I think mistakes were made on all sides but it&#8217;s possibly more fun to be judgmental and dramatic.  We&#8217;ll see; there were rumors about the management&#8217;s behavior at Union and most of these comments could have been taken out of context. Only time will tell but will we Houstonites even be interested in trying it again? *shrug* The pool party season starts up shortly and we all have some cute trunks to debut &#8230; and the whole issue might be forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: getreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>getreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is great I don&#039;t think bar owners have the right to say this is a straight bar people have the right to drink wherever they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is great I don&#8217;t think bar owners have the right to say this is a straight bar people have the right to drink wherever they want.</p>
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		<title>By: thisismikesother</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/houstons-first-guerilla-gay-bar-goes-badly-20090316/#comment-133186</link>
		<dc:creator>thisismikesother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I&#039;ve done Guerilla Bar in Boston, I&#039;ve run into similar problems. Bar owners are pissed off because there are so many gays and apparently they think we just wanna dance instead of drink. It doesn&#039;t matter how many gays you pack into a bar, sometimes bars are just always straight and even being packed to capacity isn&#039;t good enough for them (cough cough, I&#039;m talking about you Kell&#039;s, cough).

That being said, they should have forseen that there were going to be more than 114 gays in the fourth-largest city in the nation (Disclaimer: Houston is my previous home before Boston.) This was a flub on both parties count. But there are growing pains to everything, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll work the kinks out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I&#8217;ve done Guerilla Bar in Boston, I&#8217;ve run into similar problems. Bar owners are pissed off because there are so many gays and apparently they think we just wanna dance instead of drink. It doesn&#8217;t matter how many gays you pack into a bar, sometimes bars are just always straight and even being packed to capacity isn&#8217;t good enough for them (cough cough, I&#8217;m talking about you Kell&#8217;s, cough).</p>
<p>That being said, they should have forseen that there were going to be more than 114 gays in the fourth-largest city in the nation (Disclaimer: Houston is my previous home before Boston.) This was a flub on both parties count. But there are growing pains to everything, and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll work the kinks out.</p>
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		<title>By: alan brickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan brickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more &quot;straights hate us!!&quot;  propanganda...I think some Gay activists should be told to stop being activists....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more &#8220;straights hate us!!&#8221;  propanganda&#8230;I think some Gay activists should be told to stop being activists&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ajax</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I whole-heartedly embrace the idea of equal access to public places, I think this GGB thing is fraught with problems.  If 100 straight men and women showed up at a small-ish gay bar and wanted to get into the bar to make the bar a place where straight people are comfortable to hang. . . do you follow the thought?

I think the idea of the &quot;other&quot; changing the tone and tenor of a bar in an invasive way could lead to security problems.  Under those circumstances, any bar-owner could be taking unnecessary risks by allowing admittance.  If a fight breaks out and can&#039;t be controlled, the owner risks his liquor license and insurance.

This may not have been an issue of discrimination - it may have been an issue of public safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I whole-heartedly embrace the idea of equal access to public places, I think this GGB thing is fraught with problems.  If 100 straight men and women showed up at a small-ish gay bar and wanted to get into the bar to make the bar a place where straight people are comfortable to hang. . . do you follow the thought?</p>
<p>I think the idea of the &#8220;other&#8221; changing the tone and tenor of a bar in an invasive way could lead to security problems.  Under those circumstances, any bar-owner could be taking unnecessary risks by allowing admittance.  If a fight breaks out and can&#8217;t be controlled, the owner risks his liquor license and insurance.</p>
<p>This may not have been an issue of discrimination &#8211; it may have been an issue of public safety.</p>
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