Well that was pretty disgusting, seeing Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., in Atlanta yesterday at the National Organization for Marriage’s tour stop.
Perhaps NOM’s most high-profile guest to date (where’s the Us Weekly crowd cheering for opposite marriage?!), Alveda stood before a still-slim audience and argued she wasn’t “ready to be extinct,” a phenomenon that would of course follow the legalization of same-sex marriage. “We don’t want genocide, we don’t want to destroy the sacred institution of marriage.” Alveda identifies with her lineage of “Christian soldiers,” not civil rights leaders.
But it was Alveda’s interview with Arisha Hatch from the Courage Campaign’s NOM Tour Tracker (embedded below) where she really stained the legacy of her name. As Alveda herself notes, she was the first person in the King family to get a divorce — obliterating the institution she now claims to so dearly defend. And yet her argument against marriage equality focuses on divorced couples, and single parents — rather than the loving families same-sex unions provide.
And as for the very court decisions her family’s work helped achieve? The ones that secured rights for blacks in America? Alveda says she doesn’t place her trust in the courts. Just in God. “The courts can’t help me. I have to go to the highest place.” OK! And would it be all right if the majority of whites had the chance to vote on black rights? It’s a question Alveda won’t answer, only to say that today, the majority of blacks would vote against same-sex marriage. As if that somehow excuses the idea of a majority voting on a minority’s civil rights.
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Riddled with contradictions, Alveda’s logic — rooted, she says, in her uncle’s DNA — is so faulty that it’s not even her position on marriage that’s so offensive to the King legacy. It’s her grade school arguments.
patrick
Well, she’s as dumb as a stump.
Skyler
How ironic when MLK’s main advisor and mentor during his early activist years, Bayard Rustin, was openly homosexual. MLK clearly didn’t hate him so maybe it’s time Alveda research her family history.
jon
And there is the problem in the African-American community. A community wrongly based on being physically strong. Guns, power so on. Being gay is seemed as a MAJOR weakness so the black community hates it with a passion. Also the Conservative church’s in black communities don’t help.
L.
I don’t think she’s shaming anything. People know what a great man MLK was, and won’t forget it, no matter how much stupidity and hate she spews forth.
Most people also realize she does not speak for MLK, just because she happens to be his niece: you pick your friends, you’re stuck with your family, and he did not elect to have this woman in his.
MLK’s legacy is among the very few that cannot be belittled and sullied, no matter the idiocy of anyone who shares little more than a name and a few genes with him.
uu
She isn’t very eloquent but she can brilliantly make the case against nepotism and for abortion.
hephaestion
@L.: Well said. EVERY family has one big fool in it. She is the King family’s. She’s dumb as a rock. No point in arguing with a rock.
No one will ever associate Martin or Coretta and their magnificent work with this crazy woman.
soakman
This woman is terrible.
At least she admits that she doesn’t relate to the civil rights history of her family. She’s first and foremost an evangelical.
I just wish her name wasn’t attached to such a great man.
Pip
More like Alveda Peasant!
Rashid
The ghost of Dr. Martin Luther King should slay you.
bluenosedive
The law of god? Wasn’t the bible used to justify slavery and segregation? These religious black people sometimes make me ashamed to be black. The reporter was awesome though made me proud. Say it sister!
Is she wants to live in a country ruled by barbaric religious laws, she can move to Saudi Arabia. And leave us with the “activist” judges to protect our rights.
mojojojo
Yet another example of the rampant homophobia of the blacks!
Pip
The cognitive dissonance in her advocacy against racism, and advocacy for homophobia is astounding. She’s very eloquent and well spoken about us being “one race,” but she cops to some nonsense about relying on God for Civil Rights? Ugh.
Me
She is a classic example of why black are often seen as over- religeous idiots.
I like the way she says it’s all for the greater good of future generations. Didn’t Adolph say the same?
Jack E. Jett
That mouth looks like it has come in contact with the royal carpet.
Devonasa
I love how ONE voice, lends itself to the assertion of “rampant homophobia of the blacks”, and “the problem in the African-American community”.
How about those commenting who are trying to make this a race issues, take their heads out of their asses and wake up and look at the truth right in your faces. Homophobia is rampant not in with just African-Americans/Blacks, Caucasians, Hispanics, Asians etc…but in every community.
@mojojojo
Yet ANOTHER example of homophobia of the blacks?!?! What about how NOM is run majorly by individuals of the Caucasian community, or hell Fox News, which is primarily made up of Caucasian individuals, is the biggest example of homophobia, if I ever did see them. Now, I myself am not saying this community is to blame by any means, but it seriously goes both ways.
This isn’t a race issue, so lets not make it one.
Syl
I can never comprehend how people can actually think this way. Will legalizing gay marriage make everyone gay? The overwhelming majority of people will continue to be breeders, and thanks to science gay couples can have kids, so what’s the big deal?
chris
No ma’am, we cannot let a few religious nuts ruin the great democratic, free society in which the United States of America protects under the constitution.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Jon B
If only her mother did have an abortion… that was a missed opportunity…
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Queer Supremacist
@Syl: The big deal is that the breeders think their way is the only way and everyone else needs to conform or die. That’s why I dislike them so much.
@Pip:
Where was the Christian god when blacks were being sold into slavery?
Where was he when the slaves were being beaten by their illegal captors?
Where was he when Abraham Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was being shot by a washed-up pro-slavery actor?
Where was he when the Ku Klux Klan launched a wave of terrorism against blacks?
Where was he when every southern state passed Jim Crow laws?
Where was he when the Ku Klux Klan was reborn in an even worse form than before?
Where was he to prevent all those lynchings?
Where was he when James Earl Ray aimed his gun at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?
Miss Thang, the courts in this country have done more for you with one ruling, Brown v. Board of Education, than your heretic god ever has.
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
Martin Luther King must be spinning in his grave. First his vile nasty reprehensive daughter Bernice holds a press conference at his grave to denounce Gay marriage.
And now this fat nasty witch is scared of being made extinct by Gay marriage? Do you know that until 1967 you could have been arrested for marrying anyone but another Black? Guess what? Your uncle who was a strong supporter of Gay rights was made extinct by those who chose to cast hate and hurt on he and the cause he so valintly fought for. That for Blacks to have equal rights and the right to marry whom they loved without the fear of hatred being cast upon them. The exact same rights the Gay community is now seeking………
ewe
Black evangelicals are some of the most dangerous extremist voices opposing equality today. They must be exposed in our judicial system and confronted with protest. This stupid ignorant Putz is a nobody with a famous father.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
ALL BIGOTRY REALLY PISSES ME OFF!
Yes, there are many in the black community who believe in racial equality and not same-sex equality.
BUT
Maggot Gallagher = white
Tony Perkins = white
George Renkers = white
Pete LaBarbara = white
Brian Brown = white
All NOM board members = white
Knights of Columbus = white
Ann Cuntler = white
Pope = white
Almost all non-African Cardinals = white
Moron Church President = white
************************************
While it is frustrating that those in the black community who cannot see that inequality towards any is inequality for all; it is equally frustrating that there are any in the LGBT community that fail with racial bigotry. It is as morally repugnant that any LGBT acts out bigotry against the black (or Asian, Jewish, etc.) community as it is for them to act against us.
ewe
Relative, not father. Excuse me. Do you see the difference between those that attack and those like myself that attempt to repair and amend any mistake made in personal comments? In my case, giving this fat cunt a higher status closer to her uncle than the bitch deserves.
ewe
MikeinashvilleNeeinBrooklyn: When gay people spend their lives defending the rights of minorities such as african americans only to have a “select” group of african american religious filth oppressing us then it is perfectly legitimate to call them stupid niggers. It has nothing to do with attacking the race of anyone. It is meant to sting back. Get the fuck over it and go elsewhere with your own brand of judeo christian guilt. It isn’t gonna work. Equality is at stake and you can choke on your pc bullshit.
TonyD
@mojojojo: Your comment is an example of racism in the GLBTQ community, which I hope fades as does homophobia in ALL communities, including our own.
the southern belle
I personally think the King women vent their anger against gays because their closet male cousin, Dexter, has control of the money. I know Dexter is married and has a daughter but his closeted reputation speaks for itself. And they can’t stand it.
I have never understood why blacks embrace western religion while knowing absolutely NOTHING about their own religion, that being voo-doo. Voo-doo had good spirits and bad spirits and so forth but mention that to blacks and they are ready to tie you to the rolling stick over the fire. I just don’t understand them.
Queer Supremacist
@ewe: Not all black people are “stupid niggers”. Just the ones who hide behind their heretic faiths to attack people who supported removing the laws that suppressed them. They learned to hate gays the same place as white people: from their cults. With that in mind, Coretta Scott King was a self-proclaimed Christian, but she supported gay rights. Was she a “stupid nigger”? Was Bayard Rustin one?
I am against “PC bullshit”, too, and refuse to ignore the elephant in the room regarding those who were oppressed turning around and oppressing others. I have condemned the homophobia of black churches. But I draw the line at the N-word, because it was created to attack ALL blacks (including gay ones) regardless of intelligence, education, class, and enlightenment.
ewe
@Queer Supremacist: Ya think? I suggest you take your words that you are attempting to put in my mouth and claim responsibility for them yourself. Where in what i said was the statement that “all black people are stupid niggers”. Show all the readers proof of your accusation won’t you? You are manipulative and obvious. Did i say one word about Coretta Scott King or Bayard Rustin? Again i say “YOU” are manipulative and obvious. Do feel free to refrain from using any words you so choose but when you start dictating to me and anyone other than yourself what can be said, that is the line that is drawn sweety cause you come off like the (how did you say it?) “homophobia of black churches”. UNQUOTE!!! Keep in mind that as society evolves so does linguistics and the word nigger has taken on many facets besides the one you claim. So the next time i am looking for a dictator i will ring you up. Until then cram it shut. You are misguided and a pawn of the culture of consent at any cost.
ewe
PS: Take note that your own choice of Username includes the word “supremacist”. Next time i need a cup of sugar i may ask you for a black kettle as well ok?
Luxury
As stupid as she sounds.. I must say that some of you are giving her a run for her money with these ignorant and delusional comments. A shame.
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
“For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any other group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law…I believe that freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. My husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” On another occasion he said, “I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible.” Like Martin, I don’t believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others”
Coretta Scott King 1994
Alveda: You are a disgusting, vile, hatefilled BIGOT who is spitting on the graves of Coretta and Martin Luther King with your reprehensive words…….
ewe
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: Like Martin, I don’t believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others”
Coretta Scott King 1994
So true but you can push the hell out of their buttons until you wake them the fuck up.
christopher di spirito
Alveda King looks like a black Maggie Gallagher.
What a dope.
adam
Let’s not forget, MLK was a Republican!
…actually, unfortunately for them, that’s an urban legend.
L.
@adam: Even if he had been one, that would not matter. Lincoln was a Republican, and yet.
Plus, many Blacks voted Republican in the South because the ones opposing civil rights often were Dixiecrats, for whom Whites voted after Reconstruction because they were not Lincoln Republicans. When LBJ went with civil rights, a great many of those Whites went Republican, while Blacks switched to Democrats.
So it wouldn’t be such a strech to think MLK could well have been Republican, at least until the ’60s.
james_from_the_great_city_of_cambridge
Everyone loves throwing out that Lincoln was a Republican (I’ve heard MLK was too up until the late 60’s) like it makes a fucking difference. The two parties switch ideologies over the years and no Republican back in the 19th century would be a Republican today. The Dems were the party of Southern supremacy until they started changing in the 1930’s under FDR. By the 1960’s it had all flipped completely and the Dems were the far more Liberal party and the racists flocked to the Republicans, WHERE THEY’VE REMAINED (an interesting little fact that the Queerty Republican brigade will never admit!) Anyway, if Lincoln were alive today, I’d like to think he’d spit on Sarah Palin’s face. I know MLK would, even if his niece is a thick-headed slut.
Ogre Magi
She is just a mean old woman, ignore her and she will go away!
james_from_the_great_city_of_cambridge
And all of you attacking Blacks in this thread, please continue to ignore the fact that the rest of the king family, including his widow Coretta Scott-King (before she died), strongly support gay marriage and gay rights. In fact, Coretta came out for gay marriage rights in 2004, after the Massachusetts decision, which was back when we didn’t have a hell of a lot of public supporters for gay marriage.
Idiots.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-24-king-marriage_x.htm
adam
@L.: Not really. It, of course, doesn’t matter, but… “In the past I always voted the Democratic Ticket” (quote from him). He also privately supported JFK, which is better known.
I only mention party affiliation at all because of Bernice King’s and Alvleda King’s bastardization of his legacy, with their advocacy against abortion rights, SSM, and, of course, for the GOP.
james_from_the_great_city_of_cambridge
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: I didn’t see your Coretta quote. My bad. Let me add these two things, which she said in 1998 & 2004….
“Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement,” she said. “Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.”
-Coretta Scott King, 1998
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/02/coretta_scott_king_on_gay_righ.php
“Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union,” she said. “A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.”
-Coretta Scott King, 2004
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-24-king-marriage_x.htm
the southern belle
Good night all. As a kneel on the side of my bed I shall prey these misguided, never knew what a hard days work was negroes. It is sad how they ALL pimp MLK in whatever way is convenient and profitable for whoever is flapping their jowls at the moment.
Jack E. Jett
the pope is not white….he is mauve….and his cock covered in blood.
Queer Supremacist
@ewe: I wouldn’t loan sugar to a cracker like you. That word you think it’s okay to use a racial slur that applies to all black people. Period. And as for the “evolving linguistics” of the word, what’s Michael Richards doing these days? And no, I don’t support the double standard regarding its use amongst blacks.
Here’s what you said:
“When gay people spend their lives defending the rights of minorities such as african americans only to have a “select” group of african american religious filth oppressing us then it is perfectly legitimate to call them stupid niggers.”
I call myself “Queer Supremacist” for the following reasons:
—Homosexuality is superior to heterosexuality. This is manifested in the difference between our cultural contributions and theirs, not to mention the fact that we’re better looking, better dressed, and a lot more fun to be with (although I won’t be using this site as evidence for that).
—Heterosexuals have suppressed homosexuality via means of genocide for millennia and continue to do so in many parts of the world.
—They use the biological coincidence that man + woman = baby to argue that it makes them superior to us. You don’t even need to be heterosexual to make babies. You don’t even need a hetero sex act for that anymore, thanks to in-vitro fertilization.
—Even so-called “allies” among them seem to treat us with condescension.
When they surrender in their war against homosexuality, I will renounce my hatred of heterosexuality.
However, there is no justification for racism. One’s race is what it is. It does not make you better or worse than anyone of a different race. Until any scientific evidence disproving that fact is discovered, racism has no moral, social, or scientific basis. And don’t give me the “it’s not racist if they deserve it” line. Even if they do deserve it, it’s still racist. Alveda King deserves every other piece of hate and vitriol then, but gay blacks and pro-gay blacks don’t deserve to be collateral damage. Homophobia among minorities is even more offensive because one would think their oppression would make them more sensitive to the oppression of others.
As an example, I don’t like Barack Obama’s policies or his personality. I will never forgive him for pandering to homophobes to win the election, nor will I let my fellow gays live down their looking the other way because of the “D” next to his name. I will call him every name in the book except that one.
You are a racist, plain and simple. No one will ever admit to being one, and they will swear on a stack of bibles that they aren’t (and I can’t wait for you, but that doesn’t make it so any more than claiming you are “straight” makes it so. And I don’t make arbitrary accusations of racism.
Hilarious
The comments are just as if not more ignorant than what you’re all ranting about.
This is pathetic. If you think being racist is the way to combat homophobia then you’re sadly mistaken.
Go sit at the kiddie table and let the adults handle these issues. We don’t need any of you speaking for us and making it take longer to get our rights because your hypocrisy is not helping.
taylor
@Queer Supremacist: —Homosexuality is superior to heterosexuality. This is manifested in the difference between our cultural contributions and theirs, not to mention the fact that we’re better looking, better dressed, and a lot more fun to be with (although I won’t be using this site as evidence for that).
I’m curious if this is sarcasm, and if not, what you hope this viewpoint accomplishes or speaks?
D'oh, The Magnificent
Someone who knew MLK better than this person does, Correta Scott King on marriage equality as a civil rights issue:
Constitutional amendments should be used to expand freedom, not restrict it, Coretta Scott King said Tuesday.
CORRETTA SCOTT KING GIVES SUPPORT OF GAY MARRIAGE
“Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union,” she said. “A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-24-king-marriage_x.htm
D'oh, The Magnificent
@james_from_the_great_city_of_cambridge: I didn’t notice your post until after I posted. Sorry.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@taylor: More likely a troll. When I fought against racism, eventually, the bigots claimed I wanted to be superior because I wanted equality.
wompman
I was afraid to read the comments, figuring there would be some racist bullshit and sure enough, right on cue, there it is.
This ONE woman is talking out of her ass, and smearing the legacy of MLK in the process. She clearly does not speak for all black people. I certainly trust Coretta Scott King’s opinion on Martin Luther King much more than someone who was a teenager when he died. But one idiot of color suddenly makes some people think racism is fine and dandy.
Nobody blames all white people when Maggie Gallagher, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, et all, go off on gays. And they shouldn’t – those morons don’t speak for anyone but themselves. Just like Alveda. Racism is just as ugly as homophobia and guess what — some people are actually black AND gay! So no, black churchgoers and evangelicals are no more gay hating than their white counterparts.
Sceth
This is why people need to learn history.
Max Ford
Thank you -Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, for your nice words of hate and ignorance. I am so thankful that a person like you, with one divorce under her belt can get up enough nerve to preach about family values. Now, please get out of my way and enjoy your – way to hell.
Black Jack44
@bluenosedive: i couldnt agree with you more. sometimes being black today, i feel like the non racist whites felt during the civil rights movement. Im black and i support equality 110%!! wake up black community!! Gay is not your enemy!!
Black Jack44
Her mother was about to abort her. God really dropped the ball on that one. You know what they say, always trust a mothers intuition. She had the right idea…
OrchidIslander
@bluenosedive: If anyone is able to make you feel ashamed to be black – then you have some work to do on yourself. Guilt by racial association? Someone as whacked out as this woman should not have any power over how you feel about yourself. There are way more whacked out white folks spouting off – some of them have posted comments on the thread above – then black, and I haven’t heard one white gay person say that because of someone else’s actions they’re ashamed of their race. You’re always going to take it on the chin because of other people if you don’t work on that.
Pip
@wompman: Black homophobes get more criticized and white ones because they look like hypocrites. From what I can tell its not as much about stereotyping black people as homophobic, so much as its about pointing out that its a little extra ignorant to be a victim of bigotry and then exercise the same thing against a weaker minority yourself.
L.
@adam: Indeed it doesn’t matter – *all* I was saying is, before the parties switched stands, as noted by another commenter, it actually made some sense for Blacks to support the GOP, which was supporting them. And then, when the Dixiecrats lost out, the racist element did leave and the Dems became the most supportive choice.
But as someone corrected me, the movement within the Dems had started with FDR, and troop integration was Truman’s, so by the end of the war, someone like MLK was indeed much more likely to be with the Dems.
Samwise
“The best guard against extinction”? What is this, Battlestar Galactica? What is with these anti-gay people? Why do they always think humanity’s on the verge of extinction? There’s 6.5 billion people on this planet. If we’re running a risk of extinction, it’s because there’s too damn many of us and we’re eating up too many resources. I don’t think it’s going to help anything to force the few gay people there are in the world to marry people of the opposite sex and pop out yet more babies.
I would say that same-sex marriage is “the best guard against overpopulation,” but it’s not. There are very, very few gay people in the world, and legalizing same-sex marriage ain’t gonna create more of us. The whole argument is just dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
I wish Alveda’s Aunt Coretta were alive to smack some sense into her.
jason
What they fear is the fact that most men are bisexual in orientation and are thus always potentially tempted by other men. This is the heart and soul of homophobia. Homophobia didn’t emerge because homophobes were afraid of some mincing twink. Rather, it emerged because homophobes – especially female homophobes – realized that men would turn to other men in the absence of legal and moral constraint.
A lot of homophobia can thus be traced back to female jealousy of fluid male sexuality.
jason
Just to elaborate on my last post above, I do believe that female jealousy of male-male intimacy lies at the heart of a lot of homophobia. Women are jealous because male-male intimacy diverts attention away from their female egos. In order to counteract this, women have developed elaborate “rituals”, such as wearing make-up, revealing clothing, and claiming to be bisexual.
At the heart of most women lies a skanky whore who is exceedingly jealous of male-male intimacy.
That’s not to say that there aren’t legitimate concerns about de-stigmatizing male-male intimacy. If male-male intimacy was to be entirely de-stigmatized, there would result a promiscuity paradigm. The promiscuity cascade within the male-male paradigm is quite remarkable. I personally know of guys who have had sex with at least half the men in a crowded bar.
The only true savior of gay and bisexual is morality. Morality and modesty is the only thing that will save us.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
@james_from_the_great_city_of_cambridge: James, alas your statement that the rest of the King Family supports gay rights and marriage-equality is not fully accurate. Bernice King, daughter, and currently president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the organization founded by MLK Jr. to organize the Rosa Parks bus strike, has also rebuffed gay civil rights. Other siblings have been pressing Bernice to turn from that position and support her mother’s very strong and eloquent stand for gay rights and marriage-equality.
Dawson
Notice how she didn’t try to say that when a female mother and a male father come together they do a better job of raising a child than two females or two males. She can’t say that because its a bull shit argument and she knows it. I think the real problem with this woman is the same that is with Maggie Galagher. Even straight guys would rather fuck another dude than fuck this chick.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
@No. 59 and No. 60 Jason
Dude, you surely have been raised in some truly fucked up circumstances; please seek professional help. What has caused you to focus so strongly on your misogynistic views? As a gay man, why not focus on men, and leave the women who you so thoroughly assassinate with your smears of being whores and sluts alone to enjoy the romantic and sex lives of their choosing? Isn’t that what we in the gay community want? Just to be left alone to enjoy our lives and pursue our happiness?
There are as plenty as douchebags as Alveda King, just look at George Renkers, Tony Perkins, Brian Brown and Matt LaBarbara, equal douchebags too.
Dawson
@bluenosedive: Not to mention, the bible is also used to condemn democracy. Every single ruler ever mentioned in the bible was “granted the power to lead by god himself,” so the bible actually supports monarchies. You can’t follow the bible and believe that anything is up for a vote because the bible doesn’t support that very concept. Yet, this nation was “founded on Xtian principles.” My ass!
jason
Mike in Asheville,
Actually, I have criticized men. If you bother to read all my posts, you’ll see that I don’t discriminate.
I’m not here to bow to the notion of woman-as-protected-species. Women’s behavior should be criticized if it is counter-productive to our rights.
I am a true feminist who supports equal rights for women. This also means that I do not support privileges for women.
Dawson
@Queer Supremacist: If you believe the majority of white America at that time: He was on their side. The KKK has been a “Christian organization” since its very conception.
Dawson
@ Mike in Asheville
I figured I’d help you out some.
Group that studies show were most directly responsible for passing Prop 8 = BLACK VOTERS
Group most likely to disown their family members for being gay = BLACK PARENTS
Group that invented the “down low” because they weren’t comfortable being themselves = BLACK MEN
Gay rights should go beyond the issue of race.
Dawson
@ewe: You do realize the only thing the word supremacist actually means is “a belief that is superior to and QS has made no attempt to hid the fact that he thinks queers are supreme to breeders. While I most definitely don’t agree with that level of radicalism (mostly because I have many really close straight friends) I can see where he is coming from with the backlash to the straight community.
Jeffree
@Jason: You’re clearly off your medications again—-remember that you’re supposed to take more of the yellow ones and less of the orange— & so now the voices in your head are getting louder. They say “hate, hate, hate”.
You and your pretend friends (sockpuppets) need to put your tinfoil hats back on so that the space aliens who planted that conputer chip in your brain will stop sending signals ordering you to post obsessively to Queerty saying mean things about women, immigrants, African-Americans, Latinos, &, most recently, the Irish.
Get some better help: you’re falling apart.
Dawson
@Ogre Magi: If only that ever really happened. Not to sound sexist, but when you ignore an evil ole cunt like Gallagher or her black half, Alveta, they just shrill louder till you pay attention to them. I swear, if their parents and partners would have only loved them enough to pay any attention to them at all they wouldn’t feel the need to go digging for it by insulting others. It all really boils down to the fact that they are emotionally stunted as 12 year olds.
Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: @Queer Supremacist:
QS, aka Kapo, is perhaps one of the worst racists who posts here.
Following are his comments on another thread a couple of weeks ago.
“Author: Queer Supremacist
Comment:
@Bill Perdue: I didn’t know Nazi Quislings were a race. But just keep wishing for your anti-semitic fantasies to come true, and maybe someday they’ll happen.
@Jadis: @ron: @L.: Fuck Anyone who supports Palestinazis or Muslims is a racist, a Nazi, and, if they are Jewish and/or gay, an Uncle Tom. If you are pro-KKK, you cannot claim not to be racist. If you are pro Nazi or pro-Palestinazi (same fucking difference), you cannot claim not to be anti-semitic. If you are pro-Christian or pro-Muslim, you cannot claim not to be homophobic.
Christianity, Islam and Heterosexuality are the real Axis of Evil. And unless you are actively working to stop the Christo-Islamic Breeder menace, you are enablers.
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Below are excerpted remarks by the KAPO, His full are very long and very sociopathic. But, if you have the stomach for check them out at http://www.queerty.com/jerusalem-mayor-yitzhak-pindrus-plan-to-tackle-gay-pride-20100729/ )
No. 10 • Queer Supremacist
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There are no “Palestinians”. You’re nothing but an Arabist pig defending filthy genocidal homophobic Muslim camel fuckers, while perseverating (sic) (sick) discredited Stalinist tropes like a severely autistic parrot…
Take your pro-Muslim blood libel elsewhere or I will report your IP address to the FBI for treasonous activity.
The land of Israel belongs to the Jews, including the parts illegally occupied by goyische breeder terrorists. They have more of a right to exist than the United States…
(I consider all heterosexual sex acts rape)…
The only thing keeping Obama from becoming a dictator are the constitutional separation of powers…
On the other hand, Israel’s founding, in a location where there was a Jewish state before the convicted thief Jesus and the child rapist Muhammad were even born, was to protect Jews from further hate crimes from heretic goyim (all gentile religions are heretic… Israel needs … to do whatever it takes to protect innocent people from being brutally murdered by terrorist scum who worship convicted felons like Jesus and child molesters like Muhammad.
And the first equivocation of Zionism (that’s with a capital Z, for the rest of you Pan-Arabist scum) with racism by the United Nazis, I mean the United Nations…
Uganda has no right to sovereignty. Iran has no right to sovereignty. Iraq has no right to sovereignty. Afghanistan has no right to sovereignty. Jamaica has no right to sovereignty. Saudi Arabia has no right to sovereignty. Zimbabwe has no right to sovereignty. The Vatican has no right to sovereignty…. China has no right to sovereignty…
If the majority of the gays turn against Jews I will become celibate and actively homophobic.
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No. 11 • Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: Who let you out of your sty, racist.
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No. 12 • Jadis
@Queer Supremacist: You are everything that’s wrong with the world.
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No. 13 • ron
@Queer Supremacist: Holy shit! You must be as exhausted from that tirade as I am from reading it! You, sir, are full of shit……
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No. 14 • L.
@Queer Supremacist: You’re not getting paid by the word, I hope.
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By the way, your ad hominem attacks have done nothing to disprove everything I said.
Yes, I am a proud bigot. I am bigoted against the enemies of the Jews. I am bigoted against the enemies of the gay community. I am bigoted against people who hate me and want me dead for a “being crime.” I am bigoted against land robbers and genocidal maniacs. I am bigoted against people who worship thieves and child molesters.
Queerty is the Gay Stormfront. Heil Hitler and Heil Muhammad.
0 for 5 against”
Dawson
@Queer Supremacist: You are so right. Obama is an evil tyrant. We would have been so much better with McCain/Palin in the white house. They could have cut taxes on everyone, turned poor people out into the streets to beg for food, started a congressional amendment to remove the separation of church and state, made birth control and abortion illegal, deported every Hispanic that was being exploited their labor, and still kept a smile and swagger while doing so.
What you must realize is, normally when you are voting for a candidate, you don’t get to pick the candidate you actually want, you get to pick the candidate that you don’t want.
Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: @Queer Supremacist:
QS, a Kapo, is perhaps one of the worst racists who posts here. Following are his comments on another thread a couple of weeks ago.
“Author: Queer Supremacist
Comment:
@Bill Perdue: I didn’t know Nazi Quislings were a race. But just keep wishing for your anti-semitic fantasies to come true, and maybe someday they’ll happen.
Fuck Anyone who supports Palestinazis or Muslims is a racist, a Nazi, and, if they are Jewish and/or gay, an Uncle Tom. If you are pro-KKK, you cannot claim not to be racist. If you are pro Nazi or pro-Palestinazi (same fucking difference), you cannot claim not to be anti-semitic. If you are pro-Christian or pro-Muslim, you cannot claim not to be homophobic.
Christianity, Islam and Heterosexuality are the real Axis of Evil. And unless you are actively working to stop the Christo-Islamic Breeder menace, you are enablers.
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Below are excerpted remarks by the KAPO, His full are very long and very sociopathic. But, if you have the stomach for check them out jerusalem-mayor-yitzhak-pindrus-plan-to-tackle-gay-pride
No. 10 • Queer Supremacist
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There are no “Palestinians”. You’re nothing but an Arabist pig defending filthy genocidal homophobic Muslim camel fuckers, while perseverating (sic) (sick) discredited Stalinist tropes like a severely autistic parrot…
Take your pro-Muslim blood libel elsewhere or I will report your IP address to the FBI for treasonous activity.
The land of Israel belongs to the Jews, including the parts illegally occupied by goyische breeder terrorists. They have more of a right to exist than the United States…
(I consider all heterosexual sex acts rape)…
The only thing keeping Obama from becoming a dictator are the constitutional separation of powers…
On the other hand, Israel’s founding, in a location where there was a Jewish state before the convicted thief Jesus and the child rapist Muhammad were even born, was to protect Jews from further hate crimes from heretic goyim (all gentile religions are heretic… Israel needs … to do whatever it takes to protect innocent people from being brutally murdered by terrorist scum who worship convicted felons like Jesus and child molesters like Muhammad.
And the first equivocation of Zionism (that’s with a capital Z, for the rest of you Pan-Arabist scum) with racism by the United Nazis, I mean the United Nations…
Uganda has no right to sovereignty. Iran has no right to sovereignty. Iraq has no right to sovereignty. Afghanistan has no right to sovereignty. Jamaica has no right to sovereignty. Saudi Arabia has no right to sovereignty. Zimbabwe has no right to sovereignty. The Vatican has no right to sovereignty…. China has no right to sovereignty…
If the majority of the gays turn against Jews I will become celibate and actively homophobic.
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No. 11 • Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: Who let you out of your sty, racist.
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@Queer Supremacist: You are everything that’s wrong with the world.
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@Queer Supremacist: Holy shit! You must be as exhausted from that tirade as I am from reading it! You, sir, are full of shit……
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No. 14 • L.
@Queer Supremacist: You’re not getting paid by the word, I hope.
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No. 15 • Queer Supremacist
By the way, your ad hominem attacks have done nothing to disprove everything I said.
Yes, I am a proud bigot. I am bigoted against the enemies of the Jews. I am bigoted against the enemies of the gay community. I am bigoted against people who hate me and want me dead for a “being crime.” I am bigoted against land robbers and genocidal maniacs. I am bigoted against people who worship thieves and child molesters.
Queerty is the Gay Stormfront. Heil Hitler and Heil Muhammad.
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Dawson
@taylor: I think he honestly believes this. Although, I will gladly take a hot hairy straight guy that isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty over a manicured, bleeched hairless wonder. Oh, and in my experience, gay men are not fun to actually hang out with because they take drama to a whole new level. Women don’t even get as involved in drama as gay men do. Just look at Ragan on BB. After his little tantrums last week I have to understand why people that only get to see someone like him as their only representation of gay people would quite easily think the wrong things about gay people.
Dawson
@Pip: If this is true, by the same token we should definitely give more criticism to females that are oppressing gays because no group has ever been as oppressed in human history (and around the world today) as females.
Dawson
@jason: Sexuality is in and of itself fluid. It shifts and flows. Even gay men are sometimes attracted to women. Even gay men can sometimes form strong emotional bonds with women. In the same way, straight men can form strong emotional bonds and attraction to other men. Since men, in my opinion, are naturally more devious in their sex lives (as evidenced by a porn community that appeals to the extremes), it could be quite possible that they desire to be experimental. Studies have also shown that in the formative years, men are more likely to experiment with other men than women are to experiment with other women (which is often much more talked about).
Dawson
@jason: Seriously, calling most women “skanky whores that are jealous of male-male activity” is so completely over the top. The evidence is also to the contrary since women seem to love gay men (why wouldn’t they…we are much easier to talk to than straight men in almost all cases). In my personal experience, which is by no means a basis for everyone, I’ve had more supportive female friends than male friends. Also, I’ve known quite a few chicks that dig watching two dicks.
Dawson
@jason: I don’t think the term feminist and the labeling of all women as whores belong in the same mind. Are you by chance Skitzo (yes I know I didn’t spell that correctly).
Dawson
@Bill Perdue: Actually, this is incorrect, because the largest group of homophobes (per capita) is the Blacks. That doesn’t mean all Blacks are homophobes or that we should even condemn them for it. It means quite the opposite, we should appeal to this group to find out why they are the largest per capita homophobes (even more homophobic per capita than the Hispanics who are largely Catholic in nature).
Chitown Kev
Ya know, white gays just don’t do ghetto very well, they just sound like and act like and quack like racists.
Now, Alveda King is a true bitch and cunt who’s only credit to her name is that she is related to MLK (and hell, I’m related to someone famous, I’ve never tried to live off of that name, although it has given me advantages in some situations, to be honest).
And I do wonder what Bernice has to say about her mama being called out by her cousin; that was ther really, really, out of bounds and insidious comment here as far as I’m concerned.
And you racists can just go to hell.
ewe
@Queer Supremacist: don’t assume my race you delusional hypocrite.
Bill Perdue
@Dawson: See what I mean Queerty? This is the kind of crap that you stir up. It’s bad news.
The movement needs unity, not skin color and ethnic divisions.
Homohating is a problem because the mormons, catholics and evangelicals and other cults push it and because politicians pander to it.
Jeffree
Something **very** suspicious is going on here between Jason & Dawson……..Any guesses? Look at how they both post obsessively, one post after the other. Both are obsessed with women and Blacks….. Hmmmmm.
ewe
@Bill Perdue: Bill: you asked when is Queerty gonna ease up on race baiting? Come on, people who are involved with one another and come from different backgrounds, ethnicities, and race have these conversations with one another every day. It is called friendship and some of us call each other out on it. This Alveda blimp is a simpleton with a cross and a bible who needs to be shut down by any means necessary because she is using her uncle as credibility.
Bill Perdue
@ewe: Queerty has to be aware that there are large numbers of racists who post here. When someone like Alveda King is the subject of a post for being exceptionally obnoxious then Queerty should have standard disclaimers and point out that contributions by racists are not welcome and will not be tolerated. In my opinion that’s just something that Queerty owes to movement building.
Race baiting has been coming out from under its rock since Obama got nominated and exploded when prop 8 passed and CNN published their lies about the role of African Americans in passing it. It’s a tool used by the right to divide our movement and as you can see it works.
Listen to the heartfelt analysis of Devona Walker posted on AlterNet: “The next time the gay community starts pointing fingers in regards to black homophobia, I would suggest it take a more sobering look at racism within its own ranks. There is no group, regardless of who you sleep with or what skin color you have, that is either exempt or free of bigotry and bias. In fact, when I look honestly back at the Campaign Against Prop 8 and remember seeing all the yard signs in predominately white, affluent and trendier neighborhoods in Los Angeles from Santa Monica down to Silver Lake and saw no mobilization in communities of color whether Latino or black, no community building, no olive branches to the black church (which less face it has a huge population of gay folks within its ranks) I was a little offended. It felt a bit like we were being marginalized all over again.”
Chitown Kev
I mean, why do y’all think that NOM is paying a nobody like Alveda King to basically do a 21st century coon show?
(and I don’t know what else to call it when she goes after Coretta King)…
And you dumb queens fall for it every damn time?
homosexist
@Queer Supremacist:Love your post! I thought gays like you were extinct! It sure beats the “I hate labels” crowd. Ugh.
whatever
@Dawson: Blcks more downlow? I guess that’s why politicians like McGreevey and Craig were caught with male partners despite having wives an families. And Ted Haggard, too.
Higher rates of disowning? I guess that would explain the epidemic of largely gay white homeless youth in city centers all across this country–and rates of high suicide for gay youth, because they all come such supportive white families.
Gurlene
@Chitown Kev: Well said girl. And how have you been?
Queer Supremacist
@ewe: Well what race are you so I can use the right racial slur? By your logic, it’s not racist if they deserve it.
@homosexist: Thanks. While I will partake of media made by hets and will take good het books/movies/plays/music/TV over bad gay equivalents any day of the week, I’ll be damned if I consider them my equal.
@Ernst Rohm: If you’re going to attack me than stop with the fucking ellipses, distorting what I said (predictably you left out my condemnation of China’s human rights violations). But that’s too much to expect from a communist. You fucking monsters built your whole empire on one distortion after another, from that self-hating anti-semite Karl Marx to Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Chavez, Ho Chi Minh, etc. And you left a trail of blood across history that would make Nazis and fascists (who have more in common with them than not) jealous. I can easily see you driving the tank that killed the protestors at Tiananmen Square, or as a guard at a Soviet gulag.
You’re the real kapo. Commies are no friends of gays. Just ask Reinaldo Arenas, gay Cuban poet oppressed by Castro’s thugs, and subject of the movie Before Night Falls. Joe McCarthy was a homophobe, but the communists he condemned (real or imagined) were even worse than he was. Joseph Stalin made homosexuality a crime in the USSR in 1934, and those laws stayed on the books even after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
To you, “racist” is just another meaningless word you use to shut up your enemies, along with “zionist” (which is no insult), “imperialist” (i.e. any Western nation willing to force to defend its citizens), etc. Did you not read my post above.
Not only do I disapprove of heterosexuality but I also am against authoritarianism and totalitarianism. A commie is no better than a Nazi as far as I am concerned, and they use the same tactics that Christianity uses to sucker people into believing their lies. They claim to be “helping” the poor but are actually more interested in keeping them poor, uneducated, and dependent on them for their own personal gain.
The gay rights struggle is a struggle for liberty and freedom, two things that are anathema to the likes of you.
Maybe Lady MacBeth can give you some tips of how to get the blood of a hundred million off of your hands.
OrchidIslander
@Pip: “….so much as its about pointing out that its a little extra ignorant to be a victim of bigotry and then exercise the same thing against a weaker minority yourself.”
Ah, the hypocrisy. Why is it that gay white men can so clearly see the irony of minority (mostly black) on smaller minority (mostly gay) bigotry; yet, they almost never see the parallel that the same mindset and actions are well and alive in the larger, mostly white, gay community.
ewe
@Bill Perdue: While it is important not to victimize the oppressed, we must define who is at what end regarding homophobia. Apparently the fog is too thick for some to see when it comes to black evangelical bigotry.
Mason L.
Until the black community starts realizing they don’t own creative license on all things civil rights…that they are NOT the only people in history to suffer or have suffered…and until they start caring about OTHER minority groups, other than their own…I think it IS absolutely fair game to call out the obvious and demand the change they saw to have a more equal place in this world. The African American community should be THE LAST group of people to practice ignorance and discrimination(especially based on faith, consider the irony!)…if a majority of them so choose to do, then a majority of others should call them on it. Unless there is dialogue, there will never be change. What some of you black LGBT request is to not even suggest there is homophobia in the black community; well guess what that does? NOTHING. Get uncomfortable. Then open your mouth and have dialogue. Otherwise, you’re part of the problem and not the solution.
Carlos Arayo
@Bill Perdue: Way to turn the tables in a calculating way and make gay people the villians and blacks the victims in that Prop 8 episode. What I find offensive is the black community hijacking Prop 8 for their gain and benefit to take something that directly hurt us and in the most manipulative way, turn it into their battle cry for discrimination. No. Nice try. EPIC FAIL.
Ogre Magi
@Chitown Kev: What is a coon show? Is that something with trained raccoons?
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further undeniable proof that black gaybashers are the worst in
the world
she is a disgrace to mllk just like his rabid homohating daughter bernice
shame!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/shaming-the-kings-again—bernice-king-pretender-to-their-throne.html
Chitown Kev
@Gurlene:
Girl, I’m doin’, how ’bout yourself?
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ie
see rabid racist black gaybashing 24 hrs online here:
http://field-negro.blogspot.com/
Queer Supremacist
@ewe: We see the fog, and we do everything to cut through it. We just prefer to try a little nuance in doing so.
Pip
@Samwise: She’s just laying the ground work so that when Jeb Bush becomes president in 2016 and causes a nuclear war that wipes out half the world’s population, the Republicans can blame the gays.
shanelle
Alveda King needs to stop hating on the gayz. Compare her to the lovely Mrs. Coretta Scott-King who spoke from a place of love and understanding. Alveda and Berniece just ooze anger and simple minded thoughts. Shame that they dilute the family legacy of fighting 4 equal rites.
I now officially am not going to any of the Alveda Hair Salons or using their beauty products. —LOL—
shadow_man
Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality.
(Change *** to www)
***.soulfoodministry.org/docs/English/NotASin.htm
***.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html
***.christchapel.com/reclaiming.html
***.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/BiblicalReferences.php
***.gaychristian101.com/
shadow_man
Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.
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***-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf
***.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men’s Brain Responses Differ
***.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
***.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
***.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. “Nurture” may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.
And it should also be noted that:
“It is worth noting that many medical and scientific organizations do believe it is impossible to change a person’s sexual orientation and this is displayed in a statement by American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association.”
shadow_man
The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society.
From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychological Asociation and American Psychiatric Asociation have endorsed civil marriage for same-sex couples because marriage strengthens mental and physical health and longevity of couples, and provides greater legal and financial security for children, parents and seniors.
America’s premier child/mental health associations endorse marriage equality.
shadow_man
This was taken from another poster that shows why we need to legalize gay marriage. If you don’t feel for this person after reading it, you simply aren’t human.
“I am not sure what our President thinks of this dicission but coming from a poor family and knowing what discrimination is all about I would assume he would not care if “Gays” have equal rights. The whole reason why they are asking for rights to be considered married is from the same reason why I would be for it. My own life partner commited suicide in our home with a gun to his heart. After a 28 year union I was deprived to even go his funeral. We had two plots next to each other. But because we did not have a marriage cirtificate “(Legal Document)” of our union his mother had him cremated and his ashes taken back to Missouri where we came from. That is only one example how painful it is. His suicide tramatized me so much and her disregard for my feelings only added to my heartach. That happened on March 21 of 2007 and I still cannot type this without crying for the trauma I have to endure each day. Oh did I mention I am in an electric wheelchair for life? Yes I am and it is very diffacult to find another mate when you are 58 and in a wheelchair. “
shadow_man
How ironic when MLK’s main advisor and mentor during his early activist years, Bayard Rustin, was openly homosexual. MLK clearly didn’t hate him so maybe it’s time Alveda research her family history.
Also,
“I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, ‘Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.’ I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”
-Coretta Scott King
I’m sure that someone who lived with him, knew him intimately, emotionally, physically, and spiritually, would know what MLK thinks over some “niece”
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DITTO!
the cherry picking morons who bash gays with buybulls are illiterate and have never even read them!!!
shame!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/bible-top-10—gaybashing-myths-about-homosexuality.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/biblical-laws-for-gaybashing-cherry-pickers.html
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
Man, why does every interesting thread have to be hijacked by the unholy trinity of Jason, Perdue & Ewe (or as I call him, eww!)
Chitown Kev
@Ogre Magi:
LOL!
Google is your friend.
Bill Perdue
@James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge: Why do blossoming turdlets like jfgcc even bother posting if their scariest flames are as limp and silly as they are.
MaybeTruth
Why do some of you assume Martin Luther King would disagree with her? I think we’ll just never know. (And don’t say because of Bayard Rustin or Coretta. Even John McCain hires gays, and Cindy McCain is pro-gay).
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mlk was NOTHING like alveda or bernice or hobama
he and coretta were LEGENDARY pro gay inclusive humanitarians
no black racist amnesia/revisionist history/evil buybull bs will ever change that fact!!!
King defended and befriended Bayard as long as his political strategy would allow. Rustin’s extremely humiliating and lewd public sexual escapade was fatally complicit in the belated severing of his political ties with King. The elated holy gaybashers who advised King finally slew Rustin, yet they did so with Rustin’s own knife. In spite of the revisionist libel you have penned, King, Coretta, and Rustin remain an eternal trilogy of social warriors and sacred friends. Again, as you shamelessly embraced only Obama’s political strategy, this specific analysis escaped you.
Obama’s nominal and premature legacies are no match for an iota of King’s regal reign as a pacifist who fought for poor people. When King won the Nobel Peace Prize, it was a global honor. When war president Obama was selected to receive that same prize in 12 days, it was universally regarded as a global joke. King was a strategic clone of Mohandas Ghandi. Obama is a strategic clone of George W. Bush. Obama is an elitist. King was a champion of the poor. King frequently visited black enclaves. Obama avoids them religiously as he always evades all black racial arenas precisely as Dyson described.
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/obama-is-nothing-like-king—an-open-letter-to-dr-melissa-harris-lacewell.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/shaming-the-kings-again—bernice-king-pretender-to-their-throne.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/the-timeless-dr-martin-luther-king-jr—on-his-letter-from-a-birmingham-jail.html
hear julian bonf who actually KNEW king say more:
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de05ffd3860d.html
prohomo
@jason: Agree. I can’t believe how foreign the word morality is amongst gay men.
prohomo
@shadow_man: I am so sorry, SHADOW -MAN. may you heal from your mourning. That was painful for me to read.
prohomo
@prohomo: Correction: I should have written “in some gay men, not all. Ok, many.
prohomo
@Dawson: But DAWSON, forming strong emotional bonds with someone is not the same as sexual attraction.
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amen sm:
black fools hate gays so bad that they dare to revise documented history & bastardize leaders whom they have never studied…
shame!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/prop-8-was-blacked-out-by-h8.html
prohomo
Straight guys are the trouble makers, in plain language. They rule the world in all forms of evil,destruction and oppression. They hurt themselves, women, gays, children, there is no end. Violence is almost unknown amongst gay men. Our contribution to beautifying the world through arts, music, fashion, literature, even science is incredible. Oh, and gentrification.So it’s understanable that QUEER SUPREMACIST and other have a disdain for the tyranny of heterosexuality. So do I. I love the allies and generally decent people, but I have yet to see straight men step up to the plate and fight homophobia. They almost always take a back seat. I don’t trust them, for I know what’s in a man. Their straight culture is based on fear and domination. And they’re the superior ones?! Blech.
jason
Someone ought to remind Alveda that the Bible justifies slavery. Perhaps Alveda – and the other black bigots – ought to submit themselves to slavery if they’re going to be consistent about using the Bible as justification.
ewe
@shadow_man: You were terribly wronged by others in an oppressive world that is complacent and vicious in their aiding and abetting the continuation of discrimination. I hope that you have a support system of friends and relatives that nourish your soul. I am sending my very best thoughts for you your way. Sadness is not as toxic as bitterness. You sound very strong to me and from what you write, you have come a tremendously long way.
Queer Supremacist
@prohomo: Not to mention that their idea of being a “man” means tearing down others’ masculinity to build up their own. Deep down they’re just cowardly, insecure little boys. They are the ones who are largely responsible for the homophobia we need to fight.
But it is fun to see how drunk they’d have to get before they let you fuck ’em!
Also, women are allowed to show affection to one another without being suspected of being lesbians. Perhaps women are more inclined to be tolerant. Compare Cindy McCain and Laura Bush’s views on gay marriage to their respective husbands.
@jason: These black bible-thumping homophobes all remind me of Aunt Esther from Sanford and Son. Shrill, self-righteous busybodies who need to be taken down a peg.
@MaybeTruth: We don’t know what he would believe because he died at a time when almost no one anywhere, conservative or liberal, approved of homosexuality. But he was more reasonable and more principled than this hateful bitch who uses her relationship with him to further her career. Like his wife, he believed that his god was a god of love, not hate.
Pip
@OrchidIslander: Lots of people see racism in the gay community. Queerty sees racism in the black community—comments police it all the time here. Hents many of the comments on this page.
prohomo
@Queer Supremacist: You said it right,QS.Fight on!!!
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DITTO!
homohating blacks ignore racism and slavery in the buybull
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/savage-sanctuaries—their-own-receive-them-not.html
Here are a few excerpts from “Their Own Receive Them Not: African American Lesbians & Gays in Black Churches”:
“There is a striking irony that African American Christians are so uncritical of Paul’s writing about homosexual activity but have maintained a critical attitude or simple rejection of Paul’s instructions on slavery.
African American Christians, like other Christians, ‘treat so literally the references to homosexual practice in the Bible, while at the same time they interpret biblical texts on almost every other topic with considerable flexibility and non-literalness.’
…what is perceived as natural does indeed change over time
‘love the sinner, hate the sin’. Many find this perspective illogical. They argue if same-sex attraction or expression is what makes the person gay, then what is being loved? With sexuality being an inextricable part of one’s being, the popular saying has as much success in reality as loving brown-eyed people while hating brown eyes.
I regard sin as those behaviors that violate, destroy, and abuse our fellow human beings and our relationships with them. In this respect, homosexuality does not belong in the category of sin any more than heterosexuality does.
Much of black heterosexuals’ antihomosexual sentiment exists as a means of countering the perception of black sexuality being perverse…
…we know that lesbians and gays can and do reflect the same Christian moral character found in heterosexuals.
…most gay men and lesbians were not raped and are not rapists.
No reputable scientific study concludes that homosexuality is a choice and can be overcome.
…black Christians will recognize that the mire of homosexuality debates threaten our measure to be faithful Christians for the poor, the infirm, the imprisoned, and those suffering from violence.”
Jeffree
There were *at least* 37 posts on this thread by Jason and his sock-puppets on this thread, in case anyone didn’t notice.
19 more are decent suspects to be his, as well.
@Jason: your head is about to explode. Get some help.
robert
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 at 9:39 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 67 · Dawson
@ Mike in Asheville
I figured I’d help you out some.
Group that studies show were most directly responsible for passing Prop 8 = BLACK VOTERS
Group most likely to disown their family members for being gay = BLACK PARENTS
Group that invented the “down low” because they weren’t comfortable being themselves = BLACK MEN
Gay rights should go beyond the issue of race.
if you read the ” Prop 8 Report” by Dave Fleischer who wrote an opinion piece in the Los Angeles Time on 8/3/2010, the people who turned for Prop 8 at the end were people with children under the age of 18, and most of them being white democrats. do you have any citations for what you believe???
http://buckmire.blogspot.com/2010/08/lat-op-ed-summarizes-prop-8-report.html
robert
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 95 · Carlos Arayo
@Bill Perdue: Way to turn the tables in a calculating way and make gay people the villians and blacks the victims in that Prop 8 episode. What I find offensive is the black community hijacking Prop 8 for their gain and benefit to take something that directly hurt us and in the most manipulative way, turn it into their battle cry for discrimination. No. Nice try. EPIC FAIL.
statistically african americans are not to blame for the passage of Prop 8. see the link I have posted above and read. know we will return to the the latest white gay bashing discussion of ” black homophobia” that comes up on queerty I guess to keep its traffic up.go to it guys tell us black people how homophobic we are. and why is alicia banks posting on this blog is her traffic down?
robert
sorry I meant now.. but queerty is best when it bashes Obama or talks about “black homophobia.. I mean that is this blog’s gimmick right? they know white gays are going to bash Obama and boy white gay men love to tell the black community how homophobic they are and they love to tell the black community about their own history.. wonderful
Ogre Magi
@James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge: Good Gawd, and people say Google is your friend!
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no black person, but ESPECIALLY no black gay person, should be defending hobama or daring to brag about NOT bashing hobama…
hobama has betrayed poor blacks/gays more than any other groups in america!!!
shame!!!
i will not be silenced by racist black gay fools who refuse to deal with the reality of hobama and rabid black holy homohaters on ANY blog…why do liars and cowards dare to police blogs that do not belong to them???
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137a5a3d0b4860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137e000aad4860e.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/prop-8-was-blacked-out-by-h8.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137e0373bd6860e.html
Richard W. Fitch
@ewe: Just a minor correction. “Dr. Alveda” is the daughter of MLK’s brother. He was also very active in the Civil Rights movement but vastly overshadowed.
Jossi
I am really very disgusted with this woman. She doesn’t actually have a degree that allows her to be called Dr (she has an honorary one) but yet she wants people to call her Dr King. No Alveda I will NOT call you Dr King! You don’t deserve the same title as a great man who was NOT opposed to homosexual rights. You can’t destroy his legacy, he was the best civil rights leader we ever had!
Her support of the well known hate group NOM is something MLK would never have done. Homosexuals are treated like 2nd class citizens in this country and it’s very shameful how people treat them. Some organizations (look up NARTH) still regard homosexuality as a psychological disorder when it was removed from the DSM in the 70s.