We caught part of MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan’s harangue on Chris Matthews’ show last night. Our mouths were agape as he tried, while discussing Sonia Sotomayor, to disguise his racism as common logic. It’s not the only time we’ve seen Buchanan go on a rampage with his bigotry, but when Ms. Rachel Maddow took him to task last night, it came out in flying colors. Buchanan’s basic premise: White people get put on the Supreme Court because this country was founded for, and by, the white man.
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Dick Mills
At least MSNBC does have Rachel Maddow to reign in Buchanan’s aggressive racist hatred. And, Rachel did a very impressive job of it. While Buchanan is a shit stain left in the pants of American history, the fact that we have progressed to the point where insightful, articulate and forceful voices like Maddow’s are there to challenge the bigots shows that we aremiles closer to fairness, honorability and decency.
Geoff M
God I love her…if only I was a lesbian.
Mr. Cox
I think MSNBC should KEEP Pat Buchanan. Every time he opens his fat racist, homophobic, anti-Semite, dumb traditionalist mouth, he only helps our cause more. Rachel Maddow went to school on him like Alfred Hitchcock.
galefan2004
No one should be hired based on any minority status. Affirmative action should not be used to justify hiring someone with lesser qualifications. The best person for the job should be hired regardless of race, color, ethnicity, origin or sexual orientation.
What is funny here is that the same people that bitch about it being racist when a black man doesn’t get into a school because of its race think its just fine when a white man doesn’t because of the quota system.
Pat Robertson is an off based asshat on many things, but when it comes to standing up for his race its not one of them. If he was black talking about how the white man was getting ahead and was a member of the NAACP or La Raza you guys would be giving him a medal. Because he’s a white man calling the president to task to not even considering qualifications over race and gender you guys want to crucify him. How nice.
B-Gad
I love it every time Rachel quirks her eyebrows in that “Are you serious? Really?” expression. She’s one of my favourite TV personalities.
mk
@galefan2004: The point of affirmative action isn’t to oppress the white man, it is to counter act systemic prejudice and the results of historic prejudice and disadvantage to put people on a more level playing field. White people are playing with a stacked deck, so intervention increases fairness and equality.
mk
I think MSNBC should KEEP Pat Buchanan.
They are giving Buchanan a platform and credibility by employing him as an analyst. And you can bet the people who agree with him will be talking about how he schooled Rachel in the debate when they see him shouting that crap, reeling off examples and dominating the discussion with his pushiness.
galefan2004
@mk: How can you argue then that it is needed in a time and age when minorities such as Barac Obama can become president. I’m well aware of what the intent of Affirmative Action is. However, Affirmative Action actually never lived up to its intent. It was designed to put all people on equal footing. Instead it became a quota system. Its interesting that ENDA has actually learned from that mistake and actually includes in the wording of the bill that ENDA can not be viewed as a quota system.
White people are not “playing with a stacked deck” when a white female with glowing credentials is turned away from a state college simply because they needed to add a black person with LESSER credentials. Unless you are going to try to argue that the black person had lesser credentials because they didn’t get the same opportunity, and I really hope that you are not going to argue that because it makes you sound more racist than I am. That is a case of white discrimination, and it did happen. White people are not playing with a stacked deck when a racist judge upholds the decision of a fire department to make a test easier and not promote anyone that took the test for promotion because only whites and one Latin passes it.
In a country that gives us Oprah, Tyra Banks, Barac Obama, Tyler Perry, Bill Cosby and many other talented and gifted minorities that worked their asses off to get where they are your argument just doesn’t hold water. The emphasis should be on true equality. All things being equal the person that is better for the job and has the best qualifications should be chosen.
Now, if you are going to try to make the argument that all things being equal the person that is white will always be chosen, I simply don’t agree that that is the case in 2009 the way it was in the 1960s.
Also, Affirmative Action does a disservice to the minority communities because it allows men like Pat Buchanan to say that, although Sotomayer has more experience than any judge on the Supreme Court and is a brilliant conversationalist with a strong and even temperament as well as an outstanding educational background, the only reason this Latina is being considered if Affirmative Action.
JoesBrat
Galefan2004 – what is most disturbing is the fact that you didn’t even pick up on the double-entendre that was being spewed last night by said Mr. Buchanan (not Robertson – he’s a whole other problem!)
Yes – there are issues with affirmative action and yes, he may have some valid points about the effectiveness of affirmative action. However, when he also denotes the fact that the constitution was signed by a white man, as was the declaration of independence, not to mention those that died during the battles of Gettysburg and Normandy – time periods in which slavery and/or racial discrimination were the norm, BTW – I have to take issue with this.
Also, if you listen very carefully to when Rachel asks him about the definition of affirmative action, he gives his own spin and NOT the legal definition of what it means. His spin makes a rather HUGE assumption that affirmative action was put into place specifically to enact reverse discrimination. I don’t believe that this was the true intention of this law, but if it’s not being used as it was intended to, rather than spending wasted breath on bitching and moaning, he should be working to ensure that affirmative action is used in the true nature in which it was intended.
Just my 2 cents…
galefan2004
@mk: Personally, I felt that Rachel came off as bigoted and it was quite obvious that she is a ball buster and hates white men. She didn’t really let Pat talk and she didn’t really talk to him. She talked at him and didn’t even consider what he had to say. Its obvious that she was less a journalist and more a mouth piece in this clip, but then again Rachel Maddow has made a career out of being a mouth piece for whoever will give her the biggest publicity.
asa1973
@galefan2004: Just imagine if some straight guy came on TV saying that straight men were 100% of the people who founded this country or straight men were 100% of the people who fought in U.S. wars. Would you say Robertson was rightfully standing up for his sexual orientation?
Whining about Sotomayor’s nomination being a mark of affirmative action (whether it is true or not…when 108 out 110 Justices who served on the Supreme Court where white…is like a straight person at the office who incessantly talks to colleagues about his wife and kids and their adventures suddenly accusing a lesbian co-worker of “flaunting” her sexuality when she says she and her partner went to a movie over the weekend.
The deck has always been stacked in favor of straight white men. Were it not for affirmative action, we would not see near the diversity in the workforce that exists now. And…please stop arguing that affirmative action means that less-qualified minorities get in when more qualified white people get overlooked. It’s a way of making sure that QUALIFIED minorities don’t get overlooked…once again.
galefan2004
@JoesBrat: I have to take issue with his little rewrite of history too considering the fact that every single war effort in the history of this country was supported with black troops, and for that matter, the military today is dominated with minority troops. I just didn’t mention that when I was lambasting affirmative action, although I pointed out that I don’t agree with what Pat has to say just the principles behind it.
It wasn’t true in the intention of the law, but it is how it is being applied. The only group of people that don’t have protection under Affirmative Action are the white males. This is a valid argument even though it wasn’t the intent of the law. Its not the first time or the last time a law didn’t live up to its actual intent (see DADT).
The minorities in this country have a strangle hold on the government because every time you dare to disagree with them you get labeled a racist. We saw that at every single turn when Obama was running for office. Anyone that wasn’t kissing his ass and dared to consider Hilary a better candidate was a racist. The only way we will see actual racial equality in this country is if either the white man stop worry about his racist label like being non-PC is some sort of evil or the minority communities stop blaming evil whitey for everything wrong in the world. The one minority in this country that has more right to bitch than anyone else (the NA people that we stole this land from) don’t bitch nearly as loud as the rest of the minorities.
Jonathan
I just don’t understand why people claiming that affirmative action defeats meritocracy jump on EVERY person of color and claim that affirmative action is working in their favor etc. etc. when if they really LOOKED at the merits they’d see that Sotomayor is perfectly qualified and deeply concerned with upholding the law… By claiming “reverse racism” they’re allowed to sustain systemic racism EVERY TIME because deep down inside THEY CAN’T STAND TO SEE A PERSON OF COLOR IN POWER, you know, because the US’ forefathers were white men and that’s what we’re about… even though the pilgrims THEMSELVES FLED FROM PERSECUTION AND DISCRIMINATION! I won’t even get into the American Genocide…
Affirmative action seeks to correct deep institutional and structural wrongs that indeed extend to grade inflation and racial bias in standardized tests, etc. If people could get past what gave Sotomayor her opportunities to see the stellar outcome Sonia has made of it, maybe they’d realize that affirmative action is the very best way to harness talent like hers, and that it is absolutely necessary to reach through the glass ceilings (which must be tinted because I see them everywhere) to provide education and opportunity to those who have been denied it not by their own failure or lack of merits but my the merit of having been born in a darker skin or a poorer place– at least until such ceilings disappear, which doesn’t seem likely to happen anytime soon. Anyone who thinks that grades and money have even a fraction of the value of experience, diversity, intellect and morality is almost surely a product of this consistently destructive racial infrastructure and likely benefited, whether they’ll admit it or not (I certainly will) from such inflated marks of supposed “merit”.
Fuck the haters.
galefan2004
@asa1973: There is no comparison. Its simply not that simple. The minority communities are given special rights in this country. His cases of discrimination to the white people that were ignored were completely accurate. I don’t see where gays and lesbians discriminate against heterosexuals.
Also, I supported Pat’s take on Affirmative Action not his re-write of American history.
Its not the same thing at all. The BEST person for the job should be hired for the job. If the best person is gay then the gay person should be hired. If the best person is straight than the straight person should be hired. If the best “person” is a Martian then the Martian should be hired. If the gay person that got the job because they were most qualified wants to talk about his husband and their children then all the power to them as long as they have the job because they were most qualified (same goes for the straight person). You can’t have it both ways, you can’t say that gays should be hired when they are more qualified but straights should be hired when they are more qualified because straights are the only ones that work there. The entire concept of non-discrimination laws is to get the BEST POSSIBLE PERSON FOR THE JOB. There is no bearing that the majority of the people in the job were of one particular persuasion.
You don’t like the truth? Its a true argument. Its happened more than once. It happened in Michigan in the case Pat mentioned. It happened to the fire fighters in the case Sotomayer agreed with. It happens all the time. Please don’t try to make the claim that minorities that work as hard as everyone else in 2009 don’t get the job based on their own merits and must rely on hand outs from Affirmative Action. Its simply not true in 2009, and even people that come from minority groups have expressed their belief in the unfairness of Affirmative Action.
http://www.balancedpolitics.org/affirmative_action.htm
galefan2004
@Jonathan: I actually like Sotomayer. I like the way she speaks and how she chooses her words very carefully. I like her qualifications. I like her education. I like her background. I like how she is more experienced as a judge then any current member on the court. Personally, I’m overly impressed with her.
However, it does sadden me that she will always be considered nothing more than an Affirmative Action reject by many people (some white some not) because although she could have made it there on her own in this day and age without Affirmative Action its so easy to say that she simply got a hand out at every single step. If you re-write Affirmative Action to put everyone on an equal playing field regardless of their ascribed status then you don’t have these same arguments.
Also, I do believe that a woman with her experiences is much more knowledgeable about what diversity is and how to overcome it then some kid that had a set of rich parents providing him with every opportunity imaginable. I want someone that actually understands strife to sit on the bench.
galefan2004
@galefan2004: Do you care to give me some examples of this racial bias in standardizing testing? Why don’t you just call this what it really is, and that is your view that in order to give the minority population a hands up we need to give them a hand out and dumb down everything for them. Should we give the tests in Ebonics? Seriously, the fact that you don’t see how racist that view really is is kind if sad. You are basically stating that minorities don’t comprehend test questions as easily as whites and therefore should be given special treatment. Every minority that does impressive on a test simply proves how incredibly wrong you are.
mk
@galefan2004: I disagree. She was reponding to his arguments while avoiding letting him lead her off point, while he was shouting personal talking points. Rachel could barely get a word in edgewise on her own show because of his pushiness. You don’t have to hate white men to be aware that white men have designed and controlled the system by a long long history of excluding everyone else from power and decision making positions and that has had an effect on the way the system treats groups, who is currently at the top making decisions that effect people below and gate keep, and the socio-economoic status of groups in US society.
Unless you are going to try to argue that the black person had lesser credentials because they didn’t get the same opportunity, and I really hope that you are not going to argue that because it makes you sound more racist than I am.
There’s nothing racist about acknowledging some groups have less opportunity and that the spector of long open bigotry and exclusion casts a long shadow and has had long lasting widespread effects. There is also the impact of closet bigotry both conscious and unconscious towards minorities.
White people are not playing with a stacked deck when a racist judge upholds the decision of a fire department to make a test easier and not promote anyone that took the test for promotion because only whites and one Latin passes it.
The issue was not whether the test should be made easier. It was the content and format of the test and whether it discriminated against racial minorities by having a design that was more suited to white test takers. For instance, the questions asking them the correct spelling of obscure words – not relevant to fighting fires, can be looked up in a dictionary if you are reading a letter or something on the job, and more suited to people from a certain background (which holds disproportionate whites). Is the guy with the best spelling skills the best at fighting fires or leading people? Why? Who decided that? Why use that as a basis of decision as opposed to something else? How would the guys have stacked in an applied, practical test?
Here were observations from the New York Daily News:
Test professionals and firefighters agree that oral comprehension and communication skills are far more important for fighting fires than written comprehension skills. Yet the FDNY uses only a written exam, while other fire departments across the nation use less biased oral tests.
Moreover, qualities such as dependability, good judgment, attention to detail and concern for others have been found to be among the best predictors of who will be a good firefighter. Yet the city does not test for these attributes, even though such tests have been available – even in written form – for more than a decade.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/07/16/2009-07-16_even_after_ricci_fdny_is_on_the_hook_for_discrimination.html?page=0
asa1973
@galefan2004: You know, I agree that affirmative action has not always been used the way it was intended. And your “best person for the job” Utopia is admirable. I will dance a delightful dance when we finally get there. But we’re not there yet. Maybe in a century or two, when minorities in this country can stand on a foundation of consecutive generations of ancestors who received university degrees, succeeded in their chosen careers, amassed wealth, contributed wealth, and were able to pass on their offspring the confidence and security that all of those achievements bring, we can say that we’re all on equal footing. But not now. Not even in 2009.
Please don’t be blinded by the glittery sparkle of year 2009 and the fact that we have an African-American president and a growing amount of highly successful minorities. Minorities are STILL underpriviledged as a whole, while their counterparts still succeed on the leg up (Head Start, if you will) they’ve been given by the fact that their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great grandparents, etc., benefited from opportunities of which minorities are just now beginning to take advantage.
ajax
Galefan’s motto: My mind is made up. Don’t try to confuse me with facts!
Mark
Buchanan may be a bigot, but nothing in this interview shows him to be one. He’s opposed to discrimination, including “affirmative action”.
galefan2004
@mk: The reason that making the argument that all minority people have had a lesser opportunities is racist is because it buys into the stereotypes that all minorities come from inner city districts where their school system are failures or that they are all treated harshly in school because they are a minority. Making that argument is just false. Minorities in many places in this country have the exact same opportunities in those areas as whites.
I think you are kidding yourself if you think that tests are catered to white people. I think that everyone that is going to take that test is going to prepare for it in the best possible way. If you think the white people simply knew obscure words they never use then I disagree with you. They knew their words not because of their backgrounds but because they studied their ass off for the test. By your reasoning, no black person should ever pass the GRE and as an extension no black person should have a master’s degree or above. That is simply NOT the case.
Is the guy with the best spelling skills the best at fighting fires or leading people? […] Who decided that? Why use that as a basis of decision as opposed to something else? How would the guys have stacked in an applied, practical test?
I don’t know, does getting your doctorate’s or master’s degree in anything non-communications related have anything to do with your ability to understand the relationship between obscure words? I would guess no, but we have used that type of test for decades to determine who gets into graduate school.
If you want to take the test on then do so, because I got to tell you that even white people are scared to death of not ever passing the GRE with a high enough score to get into graduate school and the result is many just don’t pursue education after their bachelor’s degree. I would guess that it was colleges that wanted to have that sort of test in a by gone day that decided to use it. The GRE (which focuses much more on obscure words and word relationships than anything to do with your actual area of interest) has been used for decades by colleges and is coming under heavy attack for a number of various reasons.
I’m not standing up for the test. I’m standing up for the fact that you don’t kick the people that passed it to the curb just because only one minority passed it. If you want to rewrite the test then FINE, but do it after you let the people that passed the damn thing and became eligible for promotion get their actual promotion. Don’t blame the people that met your expectations for your expectations. We don’t know how they would have done in a test that actually meant anything. That is not the test that they were given, but don’t blame them when they took it and passed it. On a side note, if only black men had passed this test and whites didn’t you would be here saying that white men should have done better but because they didn’t they didn’t deserve the promotions. YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!
The other problem you get into is that being a staff sergeant is much more a paperwork related job than a fire fighting job. You are going to be working with written communication at all times. I don’t believe that black people lack the capability to have decent written communication skills the way you seem to claim. I believe that if no black passed that test then it was because the people that worked the hardest passed the test and the people that were given a hand up by Affirmative Action their entire life regardless of their hard work so they decided not to work hard at all failed the test. Obama basically said the exact same thing yesterday to NAACP. That is a sign of a problem.
Thom Freeheart
That’s why MSNBC has Pat Buchanan. They want to make him the face of conservative America.
galefan2004
@asa1973: Yes because all white people are rich and come from backgrounds that have seen all their past family members go to college and amass wealth and pass it on. Are you kidding me with this? Do you like sounding like a racist shit when you say this or is this not racism because you aren’t attacking a minority but instead demoralizing the “majority”? The POOREST people in this entire country are in Appalachia and they are all 100% WHITE! They don’t take advantage of government ran programs and they don’t have Affirmative Action to help them out. The true tragedy is that these are the same people that are directly responsible for winning the Revolutionary War. Try another argument please, because this one just makes you look retarded. If you want to use Affirmative Action to help those that have a background of lesser opportunity regardless of their minority status then I’m all for it.
You want to present actual facts instead of stupidity twisted by the minority communities please go ahead and do it. The problem is that you don’t want to use actual facts. You want to use your notion of them. Some of the poorest areas in this entire country are dominated 100% by white people who don’t use government ran programs and don’t benefit from Affirmative Action. You over look this in your, if only those poor black people that live in the inner city could get the same opportunities rhetoric.
asa1973
@Mark: Ummm, affirmative action or no, this is at least one part of the interview that shows him to be a bigot:
“White men were 100% of the people that wrote the Constitution, 100% of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, 100% of the people who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, probably close to 100% of the people who died at Normandy. This has been a country built basically by white folks, who were 90% of the nation in 1960 when I was growing up and the other 10% were African-Americans who had been discriminated against. That’s why.”
If an explanation is needed to demonstrate why the above statement is bigoted, then I have to wonder a little about you. (And please know that I am a person who believes that the term “bigot” is overused. It makes it too easy to discount and dismiss the perspectives of many people who might not agree with us now…but whose minds, with some work and effective discourse, we might be able to ultimately open.)
asa1973
@galefan2004: I don’t know where to start, but I did know that you would tell me about white people in poverty. I’m not speaking on a notion; I am speaking on what is well-documented about opportunity in this country.
I don’t think that ALL white people are rich and educated. Of course there are extremely poor and uneducated white people in this country. I don’t think that ALL black people live in poverty in the inner city and with no education. Of course there are extremely rich and educated black people who come from a range of different backrounds, from the inner city to the burbs.
I am only saying that…on the whole…in this nation…systemically…historically…minorities (not just racial minorities) have not been able to benefit from or even have access to the same opportunities as their counterparts. That is fact. Affirmative Action was meant to correct this. Is Affirmative Action fool-proof or the one-stop-shop to equality? No. It was a start. It helped diversify many institutions that would have otherwise remained homogenous. Could it be possible to move beyond Affirmative Action like some places have already done? Yes.
I DO believe that ultimately people should be judged and expected to perform based on merit and not minority status. I just don’t believe we are at the point of “equal opportunity” yet. It’s dangerous and naive to think so. I believe we are better than where we were, but it will take many generations and a lot of hard, innovative, collaborative, and progressive work from all of us to get there.
oh boy
All the signers and writers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were white men folks. That is a historical truth. Sorry to break it to you.
I will not say they built this country entirely by themselves. Everyone contributed.
But it is founded on those beliefs in terms of the law and design of government.
Now everyone should have a fair shake. Which is why I found her ruling on the firefighters so troubling. How would you feel if your results were thrown out because some quota was not made? You’d all be pissed.
Also – what is with all the white men hate? They have made fantastic inventions and medicines. The very computers we are using right now. So damn – stop hating.
She is pretty much going to be voted in overwhelmingly any how. Just a matter of time now.
oh boy
I didn’t realize that she got into Princeton based on affirmative action…
oh boy
Rachel never answered his question about Frank Ricci…very smug and self-righteous.
Trey
@ajax: lol…it’s not surprising that he agrees with Pat. Galefan is the same guy who said that “black men lack variety”:
http://www.queerty.com/the-black-community-already-is-a-part-of-the-gay-community-20090626/#comment-186900
asa1973
@oh boy: Why is it deemed “white men hate” when people simply try to get others to acknowledge that white men – while recognizing all their achievements – are not the only contributors to this country. Or that white men…especially straight white men (as a group, not each individual white heterosexual male)…are more privileged than any other group in this country.
That’s not hate. That’s truth. It can sting. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to take my black behind home to my white boyfriend and we’re going to spend all night trying to do our own little bit to improve race relations…
Jay Pat
I think I love her. That was brilliant response to a common bigoted argument. There have been many studies done showing that white females have benefited more from affirmative action than any either underprivileged group.
And since when do you get better grades because of affirmative action? if that were true, wouldn’t there be a HELL of a lot more people of color in college and in professional schools? Shit, my life would have been so much easier.
me
MSNBC is an equal opportunity employer. bigots are people too
boq
never thought i’d say this but I agree with pat. discrimination is discrimination even when it happens to white people. rachel couldn’t possibly be more out of touch with reality. she got rich off peddling obama’s change unity scam and now no one is watching because people get tired of being manipulated and lied to. she is smug and playing up to her 19 yo bong smoking audience.
Helga von ornstein
Racial issues are so mundane. I honestly feel sorry for white males who rely on Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter to keep them informed on issues that will only keep their (Ann, Rush and Pat) in front of the cameras and microphones making millions of dollars off of their ignorance.
I wonder why he (Pat) did not touch on the how the nation is now dependent on doctors from india to staff 60% of the hospitals nationwide along with nurses from the phillipines. This decision made to save money by importing this type of labor instead of trainging our own citizens to do it has created a situation where if India and the US were ever to go to war the US would have no other choice but to hold those people (doctors, lab tech, computer software engineers, analysist, stock brokers) hostage because our national security would fail.
Look around you next time you have a hospital visit of any kind and see what the staff is made up of. Yeah, you tell’um Pat. What I find scary in a lot of the things you say is I silently agree with a lot of them.
damon459
@galefan2004: As a Native American I can say we do bitch all the time about the raw deal we got from “europeans” who stole our land the problem is we just get ignored lied to and cheated as it has always been. I will say this I know blacks got a raw deal and all but come on did the gov. ever have an elimination policy towards blacks? it’s skimmed over in american history yet you always here about the raw deal African Americans got and they did I know they did but as I said no elimination policy for them as for affirmative action I don’t know maybe it only happens in certain states or only applies to black but nobody has ever hired me based on my skin color and I wouldn’t want to be hired based on that I would rather be hired because I’m the best person for the job. Sonia Sotomayor does seem to be the best person for the job besides if we want to say picking someone who isn’t the best person for the job not based on gender or race we could ask John McCain what he was thinking.
schlukitz
@Helga von ornstein:
I just had a four-day stay in the hospital.
Point well noted!
Another point that I have noted, is that the very same people who support Affirmative Action, are usually the very same ones who say that those asking for equality for LGBT people, is asking for special treatment.
Huh?
But then, I keep forgetting that many blacks believe that civil-rights for LGBT people is not the same thing as civil-rights for blacks, is it?
Another Huh?
sekaiichibankawaii
Hate to burst the bubble hear but White people, in particular White men, are huge recipients of affirmative action. If you don’t believe me, look at the racial make up of University of California undergrad system before California vetoed affirmative action. During affirmative action, the White population was around 65% to 75%, after affirmative action was overturned the population dropped to 35%. Guess whom is the majority now? Asian-Americans! UCLA alumni board is still pissed and are trying to overturn their the very state law on banning affirmative action they worked so hard to gain. If I were Pat, I would shut up before he loses his job to the much more qualified Asian-American he stole it from!
Dick Mills
@sekaiichibankawaii: Brilliant! Where are your numbers coming from? Data like that deserves a much broader audience.
Dabq
@galefan2004: This is truly sad, even for you who has posted nothing but veiled, clueless hate on more than one occasion since you arrived here, you are no better than Pat, who at least owns up to his bigotry and I can respect him for that fact. Thank goodness that a cool, brilliant woman like Rachel can break it down for you and the Pat Buchanan’s of the world, who thank goodness are in the minority in 2009. And, try and buy a clue if possible, the main group that has bebefitted from affirmative action has been white women, and, big whoop since for years they have like many others got the short end of the stick, no matter how qualifed.
WTG Rachel, and good luck Judge Sotomayor!
galefan2004
@asa1973: The part about your boyfriend was cute. Actually, I am in 100% agreement with you. I don’t dislike black people. I just don’t want to be with black people. If someone else wants to be with black people then I support that whole heartedly. Affirmative action was definitely needed in the 1960s. I’m just not so sure its needed in 2009. Maybe I’m naive, and would like to believe that we have improved racial relations beyond the need for affirmative action, but we might just not be there yet.
Dabq
Well at least you were at least woman enough to own up to your racism, that’s a good thing, but, please spare the long winded posts about how homophobic blacks are when you are no better with your own hate, but, as you say, its a choice to hate and discriminate, so, its all good to those narrow minded bigots of any persuasion. And, those of you and Pat’s ilk are the reason why affirmative action is needed, along with anti-hate crimes laws on the books as you can’t see through the hate you spew and are the lowest of the low, but, then again since you are a shut-in who has no contact with the real world and posts all day and night, just more of a bad joke than anything else as anyone with a clue here can see, not “naive” just a two bit racist.
galefan2004
@Dabq: Actually, I’m less racist than you are. I would gladly hire a qualified black or Latin woman or man. I’m actually happy that Sotomayer is getting confirmed. She seems like an awesome woman.
You have the wrong take if you think that I dislike black people or that I’m racist. I would use the excuse that I’m just a champion of white rights, but that sounds stupid as fuck. I really didn’t understand how stupid it sounded. Actually, I just didn’t realize how racist my father was when he drove into his children’s heads that the white man is the real victim. The truth is that that is a lie. You are right, as long as their are people that don’t even understand how stupid they are being when they make retarded racist comments affirmative action will be needed.
In short, I’m not really proud of my words that I have used previously on this blog. I am more proud of my black step father that stands by my mother every time she needs him and is the first man to ever do that for her. He also works his ass off when not on lay off, and has worked very hard to keep my mother and me happy.
The problem with my jokes is that jokes are supposed to be funny. The jokes I have made so far are not funny. I need to work on realizing that jokes should be funny when I make them.
TANK
@galefan2004:
Oh jesus christ, give the “I have a black stepfather” a rest, okay? It doesn’t make you not a racist.
galefan2004
@TANK: Think what you want about me. I don’t have to justify myself to you. I’m not going to justify myself to you. I know I’ve been completely out of line for many of my comments in regards to race and I own that. The truth is that I simply don’t dislike black people in real life, and my comments have come from a place of ignorance on this blog. I don’t believe in empty apologies, and I feel that any apology I do make at this point is going to be on the empty side. So, all I can say is that I was wrong and I should have seen that a long time ago. I didn’t see how racist my views really were. I was raised that you always stick up for your race no matter what, but the truth is that when you stick up for a race that doesn’t need anyone to stick up for it then you are doing nothing more than being a racist.
TANK
@galefan2004:
I didn’t call you a racist. That’s what other people are for
galefan2004
@TANK: Yes, and those other people were pretty justified in holding up the mirror. I was pretty dumb not to see the reflection. The funny thing is that I never thought my dad was a racist. Apparently, I had this view that racists were all white men who put on robes and hoods and burnt cross on the lawn. I didn’t see how every single time my dad said stupid shit like “the only real minority in this country is the white man” and “as a white man you have it harder than anyone else because the minorities are trying to step on you to get ahead” and “all black women do is have babies on welfare” that he really was espousing very racists views. When I grew up with that and started repeating him I had no idea how racist I was really being either. I’m glad that people here called me on my shit so that I can see the truth, and start working on changing it.
TANK
@galefan2004:
SO boring! Yawn. I’m surprised angry black hasn’t posted here. Now that would have been a show!
Dabq
@galefan2004: You have some major issues and really need to get off your computer and call a mental help line as at least you seem to realize hate is not helping you although its your choice to “dislike” whomever you want. “Stick up for your race,” that’s what the jail people say on those crime shows as a reason to hate anyone different, and, why are you on a gay site since most gay people want equality and abhor the racism that you were taught and hold steadfast, ick.
Well its true what the shrinks say, racism is a mental illness and you are proof of that, big time. Being a racist is no better than being a homophobe, and, when most racists hate gays as much if not more than non-whites, its always amazing how gays can spew racism, since if most homophobes had a choice of who to get rid of, 9 out of 10 would say gay the whole glbt commnutiy.
sekaiichibankawaii
@Dick Mills:
Here are a number of articles addressing the issue of affirmative action and how it’s elimination increased the number of Asian-Americans students admitted and lowered the White student population.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/world/americas/07iht-asians.4125275.html?_r=1&scp=10&sq=asian%20americans&st=cse
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-04-24-university-california-asian_N.html
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20080220/opcomtues.art0.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/86134
“Asian-American students now make up about 45 percent of incoming freshmen, white students 30 percent, Hispanic students 9 percent and African-Americans only 4 percent. “
Jonathan
Saw this today and remembered these comments…
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johnnie
Why is this piece of (SHIT AND SCUM) still on the MSNBC, Meadows is not going to stand for that (BILLY-GOAT). He is a CLASSLESS BIGOT, and MSNBC is walking on (THIN ICE) if they dont (REMOVE) this (BEAST) from the (AIR).We are not going to (TOLERATE RACISM)anymore MSNBC,(BUHCANSUCK) is a (DISGRACE) Afican Americans , Asians , Indians ,Italians, Mexicans,(BUILT) this (RACIST NATION)and am getting (FED UP WTTH) White Clowns like this (FOOL) even having a (VOICE). This is (BULLSHIT) and he must be (DESTROYED), get that (MORON) off the air(MSNBC) or pay for (DEARLY) for this (SCUM-BUCKET……
galefan2004
@johnnie: The term is NATIVE AMERICAN. Using the I word is like using the N word. Make no doubt about if the Cleveland, Ohio, baseball team was called the Cleveland Negros and had a slave cabin as their symbol the stadium would be picketed every moment of every day until that was changed. However, its ok to hate the most oppressed race in this country just as long as you don’t piss off the blacks.
kt
@galefan2004: Buck up:
http://www.slate.com/id/2107102/
TikiHead
@galefan2004: “…just as long as you don’t piss off the blacks.”
I have some recalcitrant soap stains in my tub that I plan to apply this caustic burning stupid to.