SOUNDBITES — “I see my position more as a support of traditional marriage than it is an attack on gay marriage. I think I have a core moral belief in traditional marriage, and I’m willing to stand up and stand tall for traditional marriage. … It has led to a whole series of very aggressive personal attacks, but go ahead, I don’t care. It doesn’t phase me much. … I am the only member of my family who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am a convert. My younger brother Alex is about as conservative as it gets, other than maybe Attila the Hun. My older half-brother (John Dukakis — who changed his last name from Chaffetz to match that of his famous stepfather, Michael Dukakis) is about as liberal as it gets.” —Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who’s intent on nixing D.C.’s gay marriage law, who notes his father John, despite writing a book in favor of gay partnerships, is actually a “very conservative person” (via)
rep. jason chaffetz
“I see my position more as a support of traditional marriage than it is an attack on gay marriage. I think I have a core moral belief in traditional marriage, and I’m willing to stand up and stand tall for traditional marriage”
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Cam
So then if he supported say…slavery, that isn’t him supporting the enslaving of African Americans…it is just him supporting traditional Southern Values?
I get so sick of these bigots trying to parse words to hide their bigotry. Rep Chavetz, you are a bigot, at least have the balls to come out and say you just plain hate gays without trying to take a load of dog shit and wrap in in a pretty package.
Larry
“I see my position more as a support of traditional marriage than it is an attack on gay marriage.”
This moron — not to mention Maggie Gallagher and the others — needs to understand that to support “traditional marriage” while seeking to restrict or ban same-sex marriage is an attack on same-sex marriage, and an attack on same-sex marriage is an attack on gay people.
FakeName
He’s a hero!
Yet another dumbass who thinks that “traditional marriage” is in some sort of jeopardy.
terrwill
It’s tough to “stand tall” when you are 5’5″ Hatefull
fucking midget…….
Republican
Cluepon: “Traditional” marriage isn’t going anywhere. A man and a woman will still be able to get married to each other and start a family.
Taylor Siluwé
@ No.3 –
Yet another dumbass who thinks “traditional marriage” means ONE man / ONE woman. Those biblical dudes were true players, you know.
Bless ’em …
Dan
What I love is if all these so called “concerned” people are so worried about traditional marriage why aren’t they calling for the end of divorce. Of yeah right, that would be interfering with their civil rights.
FakeName
Taylor, I have no idea what message you’re trying to get across. I know what all the words mean but the order you’ve put them in imparts nothing.
Tom
Grandstanding SOB…I smell bullshit.
Taylor Siluwé
@ FakeName …
The only way to be clearer would be to draw a picture … *sigh*
B SF
This is a pretty typical religious argument. It’s been the same for centuries. In order to “preserve” what they think is right, they’ll tear down anything else. None of them seem to be able to realize that we’re not putting through legislation to end marriage between a man and a woman and hence, their marriages aren’t in jeopardy. When there is no threat to the thing you’re trying to preserve, your argument is obviously flawed.
SFNative
I think that people are smart enough to see the pig behind the lipstick, and I would rather see a world where everyone is trying not to sugarcoat their stances, resulting in the bittersweet taste of deception.
Jaroslaw
I know everyone here has the right sentiments but to be crystal clear I’ll phrase it differently:
Senator Chafednutz: Please explain precisely HOW banning same sex marriage does anything whatsoever to preserve, save etc. “traditional” marriage? In what ways, be exact, does same sex marriage threaten “traditional marriage?”
And then he should be REQUIRED to do a research paper on how much so called “traditional marriage” has changed in our own country over just a couple centuries. Not to mention all the variations worldwide over the millenia………
terrwill
No. 13 · Jaroslaw: Please be very, very careful with your
verbage in posts in the future! You need to realize that
when you add the word “crystal” you cause a lot of these
rightwing nutbag lunatics to begin to have meth cravings….
schlukitz
No. 4 · terrwill
It’s tough to “stand tall” when you are 5’5″ Hatefull
fucking midget…….
Touché! ;P
Magnus67
Divorce is still—by a long shot—the biggest threat to traditional man/ woman marriage. (see DAN, #7). I see no movement to outlaw divorce among married str8 people.
So let me be bold and suggest that we encourage legislators and pastors who tout their desire to uphold TRADITIONAL marriage and suggest they focus on this terrible #1 threat. No need to mention the gay marriage thing. Outlaw divorce! Divorce breaks up about 50% of marriages and I’ve broken up less than one!
What do they say at weddings? Something like “What God has brought together, let no man tear apart.” That should be the motto of “TRUE MARRIAGE PRESERVATION.”
Think about it—we could change the tone and focus of debate. Really.
Jaroslaw
You’re so right Terrwill (sniff) oops!
Jaroslaw
Ps I thought you’d like the Chafednutz too Terrwill……….
terrwill
No. 18 · Jaroslaw: Brilliant! Ok you can join the official Queerty Moniker Bestowing Club! : P
Some ‘o mine:
Scarah Pallin
Ann Cuntler
Rush Windbag
Yawn Hannity
Loonatic Engle
Piggy Noonan
Dickless Cheney
Schlukitz’:
Maggot Gallagher
Prick Warren
Feel free to join our little club and add to the list……….
schlukitz
No. 19 · terrwill
Don’t forget Oblabla and the Ofal Office
Jim D
I’m really confused when LDS’ers start talking about traditional marriages. As I seem to recall the traditional Mormon marriage was a man, a woman, another woman, a couple of little girls, etc. It only changed because it was required for Utah to gain statehood. Does anyone else remember when blacks couldn’t go to Mormon heaven. That only changed because the Grand Poobah had a dream and changed the policy. The dream was probably that BYU would never win another football game unless they could recruit black athletes. The problem with the right nuts is their selective memory. If the facts don’t support something, just change the facts. As my Mormon Grandma told me, wait, which one of the 10 was it again?
dizzy spins
Jim D–amen!
I get so angry when LDS people blather on about defending traditional marriage. If only anyone in this country studied marriage.
We should pool our money and run a big ad in People magazine, with a picture of a guy and his four wives, with the caption saying “This is what Mormons think traditional marriage looks like”
Ozymandias
“So being lectured about what constitutes a traditional marriage by a Mormon is a bit like being scolded for loitering by a crack-whore!”
Preach on, Betty Bowers, preach on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E4M39FRIGc
1EqualityUSA
walk-in-closet-case
1EqualityUSA
what a pillow-biter
Attmay
God bless Lilburn Boggs.
Jaroslaw
#19 thanks Terrwill (and posthumously by Schlukitz I assume) for membership in the club. I’ll work harder to come up with more.
I really like all yours except Yawn Hannity. I wish he was that harmless. Net search “Sean Hannity is a liar” and you’ll be amazed at what you find! As I’ve mentioned many times, I listen to as much as I can stomach of him & Windbag (usually about 10-15 minutes) just to hear what the opposition has to say. If only it was simply “differing points of view” instead of fearmongering, race baiting and just plain lies!
John D
#4, #15:
WTF?
Honestly, if Maggie Gallagher were a supporter of marriage equality would we say that she was clearly wrong because she’s fat?
Okay, this jackass is 5’5″. And he’s wrong about marriage. But he’s not wrong about marriage because he’s 5’5″.
I’m an inch shorter than that. I’ve been a supporter of marriage equality for more than a decade. I guess I can’t stand tall for marriage equality because I’m only 5’4″. I must be wrong then.
Can we let the homophobes be the ignorant bigots, please?
Joel
I too support Traditional marraige is just plain right for sure.
I dont want my kids to think being gay is right. I know god doesnt make anyone gay because it goes against his word. Gayness is more a choice which sholud not be public. I am upset that the supreme court undermided the vote of america’s and overturnded it for the minority. gAYNESS IS IMORAL AND WRONG
schlukitz
No. 28 · Joel
Do WE really care what you support, Joel?
Do WE really care what you want your kids to think about being gay?
Do We really care what your god has to say?
Do WE really care about your opinion that gayness is more of a choice which should not be made public?
Do WE really care that you are upset with the Supreme Court of America?
And finally, do WE really care if you believe that gayness is immoral and wrong?
B
No. 2 · Larry wrote, “This moron — not to mention Maggie Gallagher and the others — needs to understand that to support ‘traditional marriage’ while seeking to restrict or ban same-sex marriage is an attack on same-sex marriage, and an attack on same-sex marriage is an attack on gay people.”
…. when they put up Prop 8 and the previous Prop 22, they found via focal-group studies that they’d get more votes by spinning the campaign as “protecting marriage” rather than “restricting gays”. People tend to vote more for something that sounds positive (they count on a lot of people not reading the fine print). The “moron” in this case is not acting like a moron, but rather like a politician trying to stay “on message”. This distinction is important – you don’t want to underestimate your enemy.
Calder
I find it ironic that people against same-sex marriage always say they support ‘traditional’ marriage, because traditionally, same sex couples were allowed to marry. All the way back to Ancient Rome; the first recorded same sex marriage occurring in 27 BCE. Even in the middle ages, same-sex marriages were performed in the church. Homosexuality and same-sex marriage went in and out of acceptance throughout the ages, usually coinciding with the surge and ebb of ‘Christian’ movements, who were against homosexuality but not against living off the taxes of prostitutes both male and female. So when some reactionary religious bigots say they support traditional marriage or “2,000 years of marriage tradition” (as Jerry Falwell stated), they clearly know absolutely nothing about history.
Taylor Siluwé
Preach it, Calder!! They are quick to bring up ‘tradition’. I like to counter with the fact that the south had a “curious” one as well, which took a war to bring an end to – sorta.
Considering the wonderful things mankind has done to each other throughout history, the word “tradition” actually makes me wanna spit.
schlukitz
No. 31 · Calder
they clearly know absolutely nothing about history.
Amen, brother!
Steve
The irony of this is that almost everyone here supports marriage. That is, almost everyone agrees that if two people want to be together for the rest of their lives, as a couple, they should get married. As a society, we want more couples to get married, not fewer. It’s good for society. It’s good for the couples, and it’s good for the individuals and their families.
The people who claim to support “traditional marriage” by working against marriages of same-sex couples, are actually working against “marriage”, by preventing certain couples from being married.
Jaroslaw
#28 – Joel – Just once I wish one of you guys would explain WHY you are here at Queerty in the first place. Not that you can’t visit or even post stupid comments from time to time, but seriously, what do you think you’re going to accomplish telling Gay people you don’t like them?
And I will be nicer to you than you deserve, I would suggest that most people including you probably have more than they can handle dealing with their own lives, children, parents, jobs etc. so I’m always amazed when folks vote or get really worked up about OTHER people’s lives. Deal with your OWN STUFF and you really won’t have time to worry about the Gay couple down the street.
If you have so much time, which you apparently do by visiting here, then you should know by now that except for rampant homophobia impacting our psyche, Gay people are pretty much like everyone else. We go to work, pay taxes, i.e. we’re not a threat to you. Get over yourself!
Jane
@Cam: And you Cam are in turn a bigot for trying to push your acceptance of the gay activities! So just because he expresses his stand then he is a bigot for doing so? You are just taking it out of context and twisting words to serve your own purpose! Why is it that when one expresses their side then all of a sudden they are called names just because they don’t agree with a certain sect!
you say “at least have the balls to come out and say you just plain hate gays”. Really, just like the gays don’t have the “balls” to come out and call it what it is, and that’s why they are trying so hard to make the act acceptable!