Not that we’re encouraging killing Baby Boomers. “If people over 65 in each state made the laws, 0 states would have gay marriage; if people under 30 made the laws, 38 states would have gay marriage.” —So says research from Jefferey Lax and Justin Phillips, who conclude a generational gap is preventing marriage equality. Well, that and Jesus.
strumpetwindsock
Great.
First religious people, then blacks, then overweight people. Now this.
Maybe we should take a page out of the Khmer Rouge styleguide and also go after people who wear glasses, have a university education, or are multilingual.
As if we don’t have enough real enemies you need to distract us with more imagined ones.
Have you stopped to think that the age factor might have something to do with our changing times rather than the values of our elders?
dgz
oh, so THAT’S why Sarah’s scared of “death panels.”
Gorbeh
This is why I think we should revoke social security and put it all in education!
Brian
The older you are, the more likely you are to be RELIGIOUS. That’s the enemy – RELIGION. Religion defined gays as “wrong, sinful and deviant.” We have done NOTHING to fight that branding by Religion. We must.
So, as the data demonstrates, we can WAIT for the “religious” to die off OR we can fight them. LGBT people need to realize that until we “end the wrong” of homosexuality we will NEVER have equality. We shouldn’t wait for them to go out of business – we should reject the religious lie about homosexuals and begin to re-brand ourselves.
Religion used to tell lies about Blacks and Slavery and they finally (reluctantly) changed. We need to demand they end the lie about us or we must end them – ASAP.
WE are NOT WRONG. Religion is.
nonlinear
i agree religion is the issue here.
but also, all this bible-thumping aligned with stupid policies created a backlash, this generation relates less and less with religion.
then again, religion has been in the wrong side of history for quite some time (slavery, women rights, interracial marriage, etc) and as soon as progress is made, they rewrite history. It’s gonna be the same with gays, just wait and see.
TomEM
Hey!
I’m 43 years old and I support equal marriage. Incidentally, I am also not-heterosexual,
TE
Brian
@nonlinear: I don’t think we should “wait and see.” I think we should make it happen – make them change or hasten their demise. Religion is the only thing that makes homosexuals wrong – enough already.
strumpetwindsock
Actually you forgot to mention that if everyone over age 30 was dead nobody would know how to change a set of brake pads and Britney Spears really WOULD be your president.
You might want to watch that Barney Frank Nazi slapdown video and pay attention to peoples’ ages. Kids nowadays aren’t as progressive, free thinking, or wiser than they elders as they might think.
Me, I’m going to throw my old copy of “Logan’s Run” in the video machine and have a laugh.
And Brian, maybe you can give us give us a demonstration. I’m sure we can find an ice floe somewhere to toss you out on to starve.
RainaWeather
SMH
schlukitz
@strumpetwindsock:
This time it it not Queerty who is in shock. It is I who is in shock!
I am with you, Strump. This is absolutely appalling.
What they did to people over 30 in the film Logan’s Run is precisely what Queerty and Brian are advocating?
This twisted, sick and loathsome kind of thinking has a name.
It’s called genocide, which is precisely what Hitler promoted under the pleasant-sounding banner of “Ethnic Cleansing” and made to sound so innocent, like washing people and hanging them out on the line to dry.
At almost 73 years of age, I fear for what this country is coming to, Strump.
I lived through it once already…and it could easily happen again.
M Shane
No. 1 ¡ strumpetwindsock No. 10 ¡ schlukitz You guys need to loosen up. There was no implication that people over 30 should be killed .
While I question motives with some things. This was no more than a talking point.
What is the duifference between “changing times and the values of our elders” Seems like its both of them . But it might be that the undr 30’s will have the same values as the over 30’s when they grow up?
I think that it’s an interesting sociological question.
schlukitz
@M Shane:
There was no implication that people over 30 should be killed .
Oh really? Brian said (in Post no. 7)…correct me if I am wrong, please…
make them change or hasten their demise.
That sounds pretty threatening to me. Exactly what part of the word “demise” do you not understand and what is Brian suggesting as the means by which to hasten their demise?
Stumpet and I need to loosen up? Next, no doubt, you be telling us that we need glasses and have a problem with reading comprehension as well?
Oh…and just to bring you up to speed….ethnic cleansing was just a “talking point” too. We saw what that led to, didn’t we>
Mere words have a horrible way of becoming reality. We see it daily with the bashing and killing of gays by people who have been told that they are doing God’s work by killing us…after they have called us all the vile names they’ve created for us.
You can keep your head buried in the sand if you wish, but I choose to keep a constant vigil on what is going on about me and the LGBT community of which I am a part of.
strumpetwindsock
@M Shane:
On most websites and circles I would completely agree with you. But given the tenor of of some of the debate on this site I don’t think so.
We’ve already had calls on this thread to end social security.
From what I see young people nowadays are LESS questioning of authority and MORE conservative and right wing. Many of them certainly seem to be ignorant of how much we as a society have nowadays, the hard work it took to get us where we are, and unconcerned about the fact that we are losing many of those benefits.
M Shane
No. 12 ¡ schlukitz The greatest immanent danger facing the gay community is that , as was so aptly demontrated by Bush, that the Right wing of this country and their Religious pawns will take over in the same way as the Nazis did- by election. The last Patriot Act 2006 empowered the President with declaring Martial Law given any vagely defined treat of civil disobedience. Without the religious Right the Neocons have little power to take over the resources of the world. But to get their way(corporation) they would more than willingly be willing to shed some faggot blood to quench the thirst of their toadies,as happened in Germany with the Jews. The gay interest is deply buried in the economic politics and the military power of this country.
Querty could have put the point differently but I think that it is a great curiousity mainly to wonder if the ignorant people under 30 would actually support gay issues. E.G. DON’T YOUNG PEOPLE DO MOST OF THE BASHING? There are many corelary questions that arise out of the premise. Are the older people responsible for the difficulty facing gays or
arte there other factors. Granted Queerty has in the past more often than not asked provocative questions that are so ignorantly phrased as to just give everyone heart attacks before they know what ids really being said, but I ‘m not sure that this is in that category. I think that there are some less dismissive ways to take this one and learn something.
strumpetwindsock
Though if the radical youth REALLY want to change the world they might want to start by getting off their asses and voting:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/25/MNF910BGH4.DTL
strumpetwindsock
It kind of begs the question – if everyone over 30 died would anything get done at all?
schlukitz
@M Shane:
I think that there are some less dismissive ways to take this one and learn something.
You very conveniently chose to ignore the calls on this thread that both Strumpet and I brought to your attention, namely;
1) Ending social security
2) Hastening the demise of people over 30
Dismissive? Not in the least. Or have you not taken notice of the fact that I am calling people, yourself included, on these exceedingly radical and totally unacceptable proposals?
And perhaps you can enlighten me as to just what I might learn from embracing either of those ideologies?
schlukitz
@strumpetwindsock:
Very revealing article.
schlukitz
@strumpetwindsock:
Interesting question, indeed!
rudy
I don’t see anything wrong with the article or the statistics.
On the other hand, it is depressing that my partner and I won’t be able to marry here in Alabama until we’re both dead.
M Shane
No.No. 17 ¡ schlukitz : The comment about ending Social security is not suggested by the article itself. . The article just presented some unassuming statistics. The fact that some numbskull suggested ending social securitydoesn’t mean that isprimarily what the article suggested, I belng to The Natoional Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare.
I’m a Democratic Socialist and the thought didn’t jump up in my mind as the only serious matter to think about , or even as a realistic consideration.
The thoughts which most readily come to mind are more related to the absurd nature of such a claim, since “a different time” has made the politics of the U.S. far far worse instead of better. There is no reason whatsoever why we can’t have a great Social Security System, if we revive the graduated income tax , and quit spending most of our tax money on the overbloated Military machine. We need an educational sytstem,as well because the under thirties will just end up adopting the values of their elders for lack of anything to take its place..As you said” Kids nowadays aren’t as progressive, free thinking, or wiser than they elders as they might think.”. They have been brought up whiina matiric of real right wing ignorance.
Those are thougts which come to my mind & that the article , when taken for what it is, a general rouse to thinking about the issues related to that general meaingless statistic. As I say Queert y has frequently thrown out hypotheses which specifically set people up to act fools and say duimb things,
but because dumb responses are illicited, is not the indication that they were necessarily. intended ( I would hope-there’s no way to tell.
Olive Yurdich
Okay, then let’s make the Obama Death Panels put only the religious old people to death.
stevenelliot
anyone under the age of 30 should have a brain transplant with someone over the age of 45. Youth is a terrible thing to waste. AND it is being wasted by this generation.
M Shane
Sounds as if No. 22 ¡ Olive Yurdich needs a brain trasplant, if that’s possible; she (or whatever seem tobe one of those stray dinning room tables, that Barnety was refering to.
edgyguy1426
Tank is alive & well! @schlukitz: You take everything you read so literally? I didn’t see Queerty advocating killing anyone, it’s obviously the failure to understand sarcasm when you read it that has been killed.
Not all our religious extremists are over the age of 30, but it is religious extremists that are our foe. It all trickles down from them. As this country becomes more secular and we’re looked at as more mainstream, then things will change. But you can’t deny almost 100% of our adversaries will quote the bible when hard pressed to give a reason for their objections. Pure and simple.
Are religious groups doing some good in communities? Yes. But when religious groups can raise hundreds of millions of dollars to fight one proposition in one state but it only takes $1 to buy a hot meal through a food shelter for someone in need, I can’t think of anything much more obscene than that.
strumpetwindsock
@M Shane:
Sure, but Olive, Gorbeh and others do lend credence to my point that if you point the finger of blame at a group by saying “If everyone over age 30 died”, some idiot is going to run with it, especially on this site.
schlukitz
@edgyguy1426:
First of all, allow me to clarify the fact that I am not Tank. I am, and have always been Schlukitz. Tank speaks very well for himself, thank you!
Secondly, you and I have never had occasion to disagree with each other. I can see no reason why we should now.
Lastly, I would certainly hope, after all these years on the planet, that I can discern between “tongue-in-cheek” and “literal” commentary by the editors without having to have it pointed out to me like I was some sort of kindergarten-aged child.
I haven’t stooped to insulting your intelligence and I would beg of you not to insult mine. Please re-read my post no. 17 and take note of the two points that I enumerated which were made by Gorbeh (Post No. 3) and Brian (Post No. 7).
That was and continues to be the crux of my postings.
JA
maybe Logan’s Run had the right idea after all
strumpetwindsock
@JA:
You mean the idea about 30-year-olds being so self-centred all they want to do is fuck, party and take drugs, and so gullible that you can talk them into killing themselves like lemmings?
I wouldn’t be that harsh, but I have to agree there is a ring of truth to it.
Joanaroo
Hi Schlukitz! Leaving out the Queerty headline, I agree with what edgyguy1426 said. It’s the religious bent that has caused so many problems. Being over 30 I don’t want put out to pasture but agree there are plenty of stubborn, closed-minded Old Farts!
Joanaroo
Hi! Oops, Schlukitz, I saw your age in your comment but don’t mean you are in the group “Old Fart”, even tho I call myself that! I mean people like James Dobson, Fred Phelps and those of that ilk. My mom is 74 and like you she believes we must keep history alive if we are to learn anything.
Joanaroo
Was just thinking-after reading about the Wisconsin petitions I went to the Southern Poverty Law Center web site and they have articles describing anti-gay religious groups and the ones marked as hate groups. When you read their statements it’s scary language and the spirit of Nazi Germany is very present in this century.
Andrew
@schlukitz: In 50-60 years the “non-religious” will be the new majority. Maybe then homosexuals can overcome the religious branding they’ve received.
scott ny'er
i’m over 30 and really, i think some peeps here are taking this a wee bit serious.
as i get older i do think youth is wasted on the young generally.
i also think religion is the culprit here.
scott ny'er
oh and i’m GENX, not a baby boomer. So piss off Queerty. LOL
schlukitz
@Joanaroo:
Hi Joanaroo. So nice to hear from you again. Not to worry about your age comment. I am not at all sensitive about my age and, like you, I too refer to myself as an “Old Fart”. LOL
I can relate to the fact that there are plenty of stubborn old farts. I know of several right here in my home town…and to make matters worse, they are gay! Meh!
I am delighted to hear that your mom, who is 74, is so politically aware. Bravo for her. You must be very proud of her.
In my reply, I had meant to also say to him that I am in complete agreement, as I am with you, about religion being the culprit with respect to all the bigotry, hatred and homophobia in the USA.
I grew up in a very RC Catholic environment and I caught on to them at a very early age…while attending enforced Sunday School, as a matter of fact. I have often been castigated and rebuffed for stating my non-religious views, not only on Queerty, but Gay.com as well, where I used to be a very active commentator before switching over to this site.
It’s bad enough being castigated for being queer, but when you’re an atheist as well, I guess that is just the pits for some. As Kermit the front says, “It’s not easy being green”. ;o)
I took note of your closing comment in your post. no. 32. It brought to mind something that I read on line. Here is a copy and paste of an except I extracted from that article.
It only takes a minority to seize control of a country, especially if that minority is enthusiastic about using violence. In Germany’s July, 1932, elections, 63% of the voters cast their ballots against the Nazis. By the November elections, the anti-Nazi vote was even larger. Yet Adolf Hitler was able to achieve dictatorial power only four months later on March 23, 1933, in part because his storm troopers–like the militant gangs controlled by the fundamentalists–were willing to murder their opponents.
A tad chilling, is it not?
schlukitz
Corrections:
1) In my reply, I had meant to say to edgyguy…..
2) As Kermit the frog says….
schlukitz
@Andrew:
@schlukitz: In 50-60 years the “non-religious” will be the new majority. Maybe then homosexuals can overcome the religious branding they’ve received.
I’m all for it. Bring it on. No lover of religion, I!
However, I am still attending the march on Washington, DC.
Meanwhile, enjoy Mad Man on ABC TV.
10:00 pm Sunday evenings. ;o)
Joanaroo
Hi Schlukitz! Didn’t get back here till now. Thank you for the exerpt! They say history repeats itself and I hope not, but with the rise in hate speech and hate crimes it makes me wonder. Just commented on a post about AZ pastor Steven Anderson. I hope the secret service take his Obama threats, hate speech and his friend bringing a gun to a town hall seriously.
Joanaroo
I went to a RC church for 17 years and was brought up Catholic and that was enough! I have enough Catholic guilt to last a lifetime! My mom became political in the 80s but she never had a bad word for gay people. But she hated Anita Bryant and Jerry Falwell!
schlukitz
@Joanaroo:
Here’s another one Obama ought to take seriously. And, a Senator, no less.
http://tinyurl.com/lkmydu
Joanaroo
What seems weird is the only gay people she knew of for a long time were entertainers because she grew up in a rural area and I know of nobody she personally knew. I grew up admiring watching people like Liberace, Rip Taylor, Rock Hudson, and alot of American and British performers and never thought they were different from anyone else. And finding out they were gay never changed a thing. We still love them all!
Joanaroo
Exactly Schlukitz! I hope the FBI takes all this seriously from the religion nuts to the hate media. I’m afraid this is all going to boil and explode with alot of bloodshed. Now that my mom knows gays she says of the right wing and religious haters:”What the hell is the matter with these idiots?”. Right on, Mom!
schlukitz
@Joanaroo:
Without even having met her, I like your Mom.
She is one kool lady!
Joanaroo
Hi Schlukitz! Mom will appreciate that and thank you! đ Since she had a breast removed due to cancer in 1996, she has even more of that “life’s too short to deal with crap” attitude. She reminds me of Sophia from “Golden Girls” in that respect!