The bad news is that regardless of this vast support from the right, LGBTs on the left have only about a year to learn the language of conservatism and persuade the conservative movement that we have an unalienable right to equality. That’s because conservatives now control a majority of state legislatures and probably will also control the White House and Congress come 2013. Passing an anti–marriage equality amendment to the Constitution in Congress and getting it ratified by the states probably will be one of the first things conservatives will do, unless LGBT folks start supporting Breitbart, GOProud, and others on the right who are making real changes in our favor.
– Cynthia Yockey’s op-ed in The Advocate entitled, “Equality Will Come From the Right:
Why Andrew Breitbart is a better friend to gays than is the Obama administration.”
Image via The Whizzer
Auntie Dogma
You’re not seriously buying this crap? The GOPosers and GagPatriots oppose LGBT rights and support anti-gay cons like Bachmann and Perry. The extreme gay right shouldn’t be mentioned in the same context as an intelligent, fair-minded conservative like Ted Olson.
The Cabin Boy’s lawsuit was a footnote, hardly the driving force behind DADT repeal.
Tony
Go right ahead and vote Republican. Look at North Carolina and ask yourself if Republicans are going to give you equality. Asshat!
chrissie riot
Yes, because Republicans have been really receptive to us.
Pitou
YGTBFKM, OMG, ROTFLMMFAOH!!!!
“You’ve Got To Be Fucking Kidding Me, Oh My God, Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Mother Fucking Ass Off HARD!”
This is funnier then Sarah Palins “Paul Revere ‘Hey Brits, You’re not takin our arms!'” moment or Bachmanns “Shot heard ’round the world” in New Hampshire.
Yes, vote Red. They’ll grant you equal rights. Look at N.C. They LOVE us.
Thomas Maguire
LOLWUT
Perhaps when equality-minded Republicans (all 4 of them) can speak up against the hate, derision and political gamesmanship their side CONSTANTLY spews at the expense of LGBT Americans.
Until then, I have a succinct three word response: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Mike in Asheville
From 2003 through 2007, Repugnantans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. A federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage was filed in each session in both houses. Never got the votes to pass either house. And, how in the world can the GOP garner the 60 vote requirement to bring the measure to a floor vote.
Stupid attempts by idiot GOPowders to gain traction. Essentially, these morons would vote to get themselves moved into concentration camps. Fucking idiots.
Mike in Asheville
*60 votes to get to the Senate floor, bypassing a filibuster, that is.
Japhet
What the article is saying is that gay people can easily get their rights if they’re willing to throw certain things under the bus to get them: Labour, the environment, the poor, etc. This really isn’t surprising at all and it makes perfect sense. The same thing has happened historically with every underclass that has eventually been adopted into the fold of the mainstream: shun the out-group and become part of the in-group. If gays could prove to republicans that they were allies in all ways except for the being gay part, they’d be worth accepting into the fold.
Its a disgusting idea but it comes from the Advocate, so I’m not surprised at all.
Little Kiwi
I’m always puzzled by Gay Republicans who talk about “changing the party from the inside.”
Uh….ok. How much success have you (white) boys had so far, eh? Seriously. How much success have you had in changing hearts and minds?
As *IF* the only thing liberal-thinkers disagree with the GOP on is their historic homophobia. Please. Tip of the iceberg.
Homophobia. Xenophobia. Racism. Religious Intolerance. Monetary greed.
You show me a gay-republican that is actively championing the Equality of the LGBT Community (NOTE – LGBT COMMUNITY, not “like me! i’m a gay white man who doesn’t like those lefty stereotypical gays!” – there’s a difference) then I’ll think it’s possible.
alas, it’s all too clear – to be a gay republican you need to be a subservient little coward who doesn’t rock the boat. “Oh, don’t hate me for being gay, i still vote GOP! I believe in what you believe! don’t worry, i won’t make you people think about gay marriage, i think marriage should be a STATES issue.”
Wimps.
The GOP won’t change their stance on LGBT people until LGBT Republicans and the few non-gay Republicans who are not outright anti-gay bigots, give the GOP are REASON to change.
give them a reason to change. continuing to support them while they actively work against YOU doesn’t cut it.
Cam
Can we stop with the myth that the Log Cabin Republicans of today are somehow at all similar to the group that filed that lawsuit?
The Old president, PAtrick Guarino, refused to endorse Bush because of the anti-gay tone of the campaign.
The president during the last presidential election lied to cover up John McCain’s support of an anti-gay adoption law being considered in AZ. He stated that McCain didn’t vote for it….well yes, because McCain wasn’t in the STATE legislature. What he left out is that MCCain was featured in several ads SUPPORTING the anti gay adoption law.
And the CURRENT president, Clark Cooper, sent out e-mails CROWING about how they had defeated Rep PAtrick Murphy in PA. If you recognize Murphy’s name it’s because he is the Congressman who INTRODUCED THE DADT REPEAL TO THE HOUSE!
So Log Cabin has gone from a group that advocated for gay rights in the GOP, to a group of people who happen to be gay, who lie and cover up for anti-gay republicans and attack and campaign against gay rights supporters if they are Democrats.
The CURRENT Log Cabin would NEVER have started that lawsuit.
Jim Hlavac
Once again, there is this strange idea that the Republicans “hate” us, and the Democrats “love” us — can anyone tell me what the African-American solidly Democratic voting block is doing then, voting against us each and every time, while preaching hellfire and brimstone? Can someone explain to me why Democrat Ruben Diaz is shouting that we are “worthy of death”? Can someone tell me why the Republicans have a gay presidential candidate, Fred Karger? Can anyone possibly simply slice a line down the middle and say R is against me, and D is for me? Hell, Obama is “evolving” on something or other; let me know when he gets there. Same for Hill & Bill, and even Nancy Pelosi — I didn’t see her seek repeal of DOMA while she had the gavel of power.
And weirdly, we have achieved virtually all that we have by simply talking to mom, dad, friends, family, co-workers and neighbors, and avoiding the law as much as possible. Our “rights” such as they might be construed, will come from people; not law or politicians.
Yes, to some degree the Republicans have been taken over by Fundamentalists bent on theocracy; as much as the Democrats have been taken over by Socialists bent on ever bigger government. On the other hand, while the politicians play the game; it seems some 70% of the people are at the “who cares, leave those people alone,” point.
Riker
When are you silly, silly liberals going to realize that we NEED the support of conservatives? Anything done by only one party can easily be undone by the other when power swings the other way.
Without a handful of Republicans like Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Jim Alesi etc, we wouldn’t have DADT repealed or marriage equality in NY. The tide is turning and we’re winning them over, though it is going slowly.
Judd Krasher
I’ve never heard of Ms. Yockey until I read this nonsensical article. Frankly, what is this woman smoking?
All one needs to do is look at the current field of Republican Presidential nominees. Even the most “liberal” among them, Huntsman, does not support full marriage equality. Why? The Republican base in this country is still composed of radical religious zealots who truly believe that gays and lesbians will be the downfall of society.
Get a clue, Ms. Yockey.
Little Kiwi
“The tide is turning and we’re winning them over, though it is going slowly.”
The point RIKER and his fellow white boys misses is that it would go faster if you’d elect Liberals.
truth. rather than “slowly winning over” 1 our of 100 Republicans, vote for the liberals who are always in support of Equality.
i mean COME ON.
You gotta love when a young conservative comes on to complain about Liberals. RIKER, you owe your gay ASS to Liberals.
the crustybastard
FTFA: “LGBTs on the left have only about a year to learn the language of conservatism and persuade the conservative movement that we have an unalienable right to equality.”
So it’s incumbent on US to remedy THEIR moral and intellectual failings within the year? Wow. I never thought about it like that.
Maybe because it’s not possible for me to think like a goddam moron.
Seems to me it’s the conservatives of both parties that need to learn a little something about language.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The language is plain: gay citizens cannot magically be outliers to “ALL PERSONS.” Not by amendment, treaty, statute, regulation, ordinance or order.
Spike
Just more republican dribble with regard to divide and conquer.
Human Civil Rights come thru evolution or revolution. Following this nonsense is thru evolution in which case we can expect the rights we are fighting for today to be realized in the next 200+ years.
Fact of the matter is, there is a whole lot of people in his country today who would have gladly fought on the side of the Confederacy and would be happy to ‘own’ black people today.
ggggb
I mean, I’m buying it because I feel like they’re more important regardless. Like we have more to fear from them than we have to hope for from some guy like the one in the white house, so maybe we should pay more attention to them. i mean, every time i start to write something on the internet ever i feel like i’m a troll, but these are my honest opinions. i just feel like the conservatives are more important and obama’s not that much of an ally anyway, i guess
Little Kiwi
take a look at your average run-of-the-mill Gay Republican. take a good look at how secure they are in being gay, or having any sort of “gay identity” – take a look at how vocal and visible they are as Advocates for LGBT Equality.
Take good look at how successful they’ve been in changing their party from the inside out. Take a good look at how successful they’ve been in getting their family members, church communities and local communities on board in not only supporting, but actively PROMOTING, Equality for LGBT people.
Do those things. Take a good look. Then realize how wrongheaded this article and stance is.
It’s not about “gays befriending Republicans” but about Gay Republicans growing a collective pair and actually doing the work they’re only pretending they’re doing.
At some point Gay Conservatives need to realize that they keep doing the same thing and keep getting the same result.
WillBFair
Actually, it is gay conservatives who are helping to defeat us, by voting for and supporting our enemies. If they did not, the republican party might lose a few elections, then realize that they need to change.
And why do gay conservatives do it? For tax cuts. All of their twisted arguments and endless rhetorical games are meant to conceal the fact. They are selfish rubes willing to sell us out in order to collect a few extra pennies at tax time.
Robert in NYC
With Ron Paul now supporting DOMA, which piece of equality legislation are the GOP and their Tea Party and Civil Libertarian scumbaggers going to support or introduce. Name one. GOPRoud up until recently supported retention of DADT. Lets face it, LGBT equality is not high on the pecking order of things by LC and GOProud, let alone the GOP and their offshoots, but keeping their portfolios and paying next to no taxes and maintaing the status quo are of primary importance and take precedence. To hell with the rest of us.
Lowering taxes does not, has not and never will create jobs. According to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Clinton debunked that myth when he left office with a net surplus in excess of $267 billion, a higher tax rate of 39%, unemployment at 3.9% and 22 million jobs created in 8 years. Enter Bush 43,8 years of spend spend spend, borrow, borrow, borrow and huge tax cuts for the wealthy and corporate oligarchy and only a meager 4.4 million jobs to show fot it, plus two wars unpaid for and the meltdown on Wall Street, leaving office with the highest deficit in the nation’s history. Perry or Romney in the White House will drag this country into third world status and dumbass gay republicans will vote for whoever is the nominee. Kiss LGBT rights goodbye.
ousslander
We need to work hard to get the republican votes. A party can change just as the Dems changed from the pro-slavery and jim crow loving party into what it is today.
Jax
“Vast support”?? LOL! The fact is that there are only a few good apples in a bushel of bad apples. The GOP has a LONG history of targeting oppressed minorities to get out the vote of bigots to vote for the larger Republican cause.
This jerk’s answer to LGBT’s issues is to make deal with the political devil. Look at how Republicans are creating voter suppression laws to kill the rights of minorities, the poor, elderly, and college students from voting. The GOP may be filled with closeted or openly gay rich gays but are they kind of people you’d want as your friends? Rich, selfish bigots?
Look at the comments that we always see from the gay Republicans on this site. Most of them only come out when its to spew racism or support for Republicans. They’re all usually nut jobs.
The Democrats might not be perfect but they don’t have a history of deliberately trying to pass legislation to harm LGBT people. What party is the home of nutters who fight anti-bullying laws?
Little Kiwi
“A party can change just as the Dems changed from the pro-slavery and jim crow loving party into what it is today.”
Uh…the party “changed” by the Dems adopting a progressive stance and the racist southern “Dixie-crats” became REPUBLICANS. Why don’t you know this?
The Dems took a stance – the racist Dems who didnt’ like it switched parties when the GOP made its deal with the devil years ago and sold out to the bigoted scum of the country.
B
No. 11 · Riker wrote, “When are you silly, silly liberals going to realize that we NEED the support of conservatives? Anything done by only one party can easily be undone by the other when power swings the other way. Without a handful of Republicans like Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Jim Alesi etc, we wouldn’t have DADT repealed or marriage equality in NY.”
So, if you think these particular individuals are doing more good than harm (it’s not just LGBT rights but other issues as well, so you have to look at the whole package), then support those individuals directly and don’t give a dime to the Republican National Committee.
Of course, supporting them directly may not work as well as you think – the RNC can always lower the support these candidates get by the amount gays contribute to them, in order to fund more socially conservative candidates. If that doesn’t happen, however, the other Republicans will start to get the message that there is funding to be had and in Washington, money talks.
Elloreigh
“You wouldn’t know it from the media, but there is considerable movement in favor of LGBT equality coming from conservatives.”
You wouldn’t know it from the way conservatives act, either. I’ll believe it when I see it, and so far I haven’t. What I have seen is stuff like North Carolina Republicans voting to put the civil recognition of our marriages up for an unpopular vote.
“…regardless of this vast support from the right, LGBTs on the left have only about a year to learn the language of conservatism and persuade the conservative movement that we have an unalienable right to equality.”
Um, no. If there really was “vast support from the right”, it wouldn’t be necessary for us to persuade them of our “unalienable right to equality” at all – they’d already be persuaded and making that support clear in their words and actions. Otherwise, what is the nature of that support and what is its basis?
“…GOProud, and others on the right who are making real changes in our favor”
Oh, you were only joking then. The conservative movement is so impressed with GOProud that they were not invited back to CPAC. Wow, sounds like they’re making real changes all right, just not in our favor.
Exchange our values for those of conservatives, and they’ll give us our equality? “Come into my parlor”, said the spider to the fly. They haven’t done anything to earn my trust plenty to make me suspicious of their motives, and if they think we’re stupid enough to be fooled by an op-ed in the Advocate, then I’m also feeling very insulted.
Little Kiwi
GOProud hasn’t done a single thing to promote LGBT Equality.
They’re too busy telling their white republican family members that they’re “not like those evil leftist liberal stereotypical gays” to do anything that could actually be interpreted as useful.
they’re the biggest wimps in this country.
i’m sure we all remember THIS clown – this is what GOProud does when it “represents gays” to Republicans:
http://youtu.be/2R6jqMysHaA
1billionserved
The LGBT community used to be represented in the Republican party. That was before the gays were thrown under the Republican bus to make room for conservative right wing christians on the bus, to get GW Bush elected. Those tiremarks left scars, and it will be a cold day in Hell before I’d vote for or support a Republican. The Republicans don’t want marriage equality for gays. They want to cut Social Security benefits, and Medicare benefits. I guess they’re throwing the senior citizens under the bus too….The weathiest 2% of Americans, and the christian right should be the only ones left on the bus. Hopefully that won’t be enough to get them elected.
Chitown Kev
Yockey is correct in that we need conservative support but she didn’t make her case.
Robert in NYC
GOPRoud’s Chriss Barron married his partner in DC last year, yet his organization doesn’t even have marriage equality on its agenda, shows how selfish and self-serving it is.
The GOP is a selfish party of people who protect the corporate oligarchy so that they will pour millions of dollars into the party coffers. It’s become radicalized to the far right so badly that even five supreme court justices have themselves become radicalized by them to pass a law making corporations persons so that they can donate as much as they want to buy elections. It’s disgusting and it’s not what democracy is supposed to be about. 1% of the population, mostly all republican, now controls the economy and the wealth and getting the biggest tax breaks in history while the rest of us shoulder the burden of the deficit. Not one of the banksters has been prosecuted and jailed either for causing the meltdown on Wall Street. They’re all criminals and should be arrested, tried and thrown in jail for a long time. What they did was treasonous.
Little Kiwi
Chris Barron also intentionally doesn’t mention his marriage to his fellow Republicans. I’m not kidding.
GOProud exists for one reason and for one reason only – for insecure white homosexuals born into anti-liberal and racist families to save their own homosexual asses by throwing “those other gays” under the bus.
weep for them. they’re as low as a human can be reduced to.
tjr101
I do agree that Republican support is needed for the advancement of LGBT rights. Voting for right-wing Republicans however never will be a solution. This post is the biggest load of shit I’ve read in a long time. The present Republican party is dominated by right-wing religious extremists that are as equally as dangerous as Al Qaeda if not more so simply because they are in the halls of congress. No one can possibly say with a straight face that Mitt Romney or Rick Perry would be better for gay rights than the likes of Barack Obama.
This post drips of GOProud’s lies that the present GOP is a viable option for gays when their real motive is gaining more tax cuts and hating on other minorities. The sad ninnies at GOProud/Log cabin will never get the fact that they themselves are minorites and the Republican party thinks they’re icky.
David Nichols
Keep your friends close but your enemies closer; is that it? Sorry but I don’t plan on becoming BFF’s with Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, or Sarah Palin anytime soon.
Skeloric
As I responded to the Op-Ed over there:
“So, now we get a ‘Those Jews who support Hitler will get preferential treatment’ argument from the Conservatives. No thanks — we’ve seen that one play out before and I think we have about 6 million folks who’d rise up to condemn us [ and justly so] if we ever bought that bag of shit from the Conservatives.”
Little Kiwi
you show me a GOProud member that has anything resembles testicles and I’ll show you a unicorn.
they’re boys, not men. boys lie and give excuses and run away. GOProud. Fail.
sbcmw
What a revelation, just think if the Jews had just been more friendly with Hitler, or the slaves had just sought more support from their southern masters, how things could have been so different. Just in case someone doesn’t get it, this is sarcasm.
Philip
What a fucking pantload. Next thing you know, it’ll be “chickens who support Colonel Sanders”.
better
queerty has an interesting point for once
Dubbz
@Auntie Dogma: I posted this comment for another article, but it is more relevant here.
I don’t know what has gotten up the Republican’s asses in the last 30 years. The shame of the Republican party is that they used to support gay rights but were led astray. Example: Barry Goldwater. Goldwater supported gay rights throughout his political career. As chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, he supported repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell saying, “You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.”
He also said, “The rights that we have under the Constitution covers anything we want to do, as long as its not harmful. I can’t see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else. […] legislating someone’s version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.”
Say what you will about Goldwater not supporting the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he did it for Constitutional reasons. The fact is that the Republicans supported the Act by a much wider margin than Democrats- roughly 80/20 versus 60/40. Overwhelming Republican support was the case even for the ill-fated Civil Rights Act of 1958, proposed by Eisenhower, which was blocked by Senator Byrd (a Democrat who tried to block the ’64 bill). Ironically, the Senate Majority Leader at the time was none other than LBJ himself.
Historically, Republicans have supported civil rights for everyone in a sort of Libertarian way. It is only in the last 40 years that things have gone awry. After LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, many Southern Democrats became disillusioned with their party. These were the same bigots that were lynching African Americans and supporting segregation. Come the election of 1980, they found a nice religious conservative- Ronald Reagan. And with that exodus to the Republican party went any hope that the support of civil rights would continue from them.
In any case, while I don’t think of myself as a Republican (I can’t see how any gay man could), I do think that they should get some credit for supporting civil rights for all Americans in the past. Unfortunately, the likes of the Tea Party took a road less on the path to those libertarian conservative traditions and more towards the clinic Michele Bachmann’s husband runs. Oh well, they won’t have my vote anytime soon.
Robert in NYC
tjr101, and what is sadder is these gay republicans actually believe that the GOP and their offshoots truly accept them. They don’t as evidenced by their consistently voting down any piece of legislation. 8 republicans supporting repeal of DADT was pretty anemic compared to the number of democrats supporting it and very few supporting repeal of DOMA. Ron Paul now supports the latter. He believes it’s perfectly natural to have inequality in the 50 states as long as they alone legislate for or against. He sees nothing wrong having 31 states with DADT on the books while claiming he supports marriage equality but only if the states legislate for it and doesn’t believe that same-sex marriages should have federal recognition because it means it would have to be legislated and passed in the senate, you know, that big government nonsense they claim they hate and deem unnecessary but love big government when it comes to cutting taxes for the wealthy and allowing people to die if they don’t buy health insurance or can’t afford it.
TomMc
From Article quote:
“Remember, it was the Log Cabin Republicans who filed the suit that provided momentum for the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Conservative attorney Ted Olson — who argued Bush v. Gore before the Supreme Court and won — is the one in federal court trying to overturn California’s Proposition 8 and strike down the Defense of Marriage Act as unconstitutional”
— Well then. Perhaps DADT should not have been repealed, nor Prop 8 overturned? Maybe DOMA is not such a bad idea after all?
LukeM
Republicans don’t believe you have a right to FOOD, housing, healthcare or an education. Good luck getting them to agree you have a right to marriage or legal recourse when you’re discriminated against at your job. And what if you could get them to agree? Would you have to do it at the expense of buying into the lie that OTHER PEOPLE don’t have the right to food, housing, healthcare or an education?! History won’t judge our struggle for rights by how fast we get them but by who else we lift up with us. I’d rather be oppressed by progressives than welcomed by conservatives.
Robert in NYC
After Bill Clinton won the presidency, Congress rushed to enact the then existing gay ban policy into federal law banning gay men and women from serving, permanently, outflanking Clinton’s planned repeal effort. Clinton called for legislation to overturn the ban, but it encountered intense scrutiny by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, mostly republicans, members of Congress, and portions of the public. DADT emerged as a compromise (better than a total ban altogether) policy which allowed gays to serve as long as they kept quiet. Had that not been done, the republicans would have made sure that gay men and women still would not have been allowed to serve. Only 8 of them voted for repeal compared to the majority of democrats who did.
Mike in Asheville
@Dubbz: Your comments regarding Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are selective and not fully accurate.
Goldwater was not an advocate for civil rights protections for gays and lesbians until his grandson, Barry III, came out to him. after that point in time, Goldwater became quite vocal in his support, including being against DADT. He expressed that government had no business invading the privacy of the intimacy of citizens. Here is a prime example of how gays/lesbians can gain support — be open to the family and friends you love and who love you.
Regarding Reagan: I AM BY NO MEANS SUGGESTING REAGAN WAS PRO-GAY. But to know what happened, the record of what happened should be accurate.
There are many easy examples of how he let on with the wingnut religious right and his utter failure and lack of true statesmanship to take action as HIV/AIDS retched our community.
Nonetheless, you cannot dismiss two extremely pro-gay endorsements made by Reagan: during his campaign for the Republican nomination in 1976, Reagan spoke out against the California Briggs Initiative that would have enacted a state law banning all gays and lesbians from teaching in public schools. Until Reagan made his remakes against the initiative, polls showed public support greater than 60+% (from memory, this is brought up in the movie MILK too). After Reagan endorsed the NO on Briggs, public support immediately dropped, and the initiative failed.
Later during his presidency, Reagan was asked about whether he supported laws permitting companies to discriminate against hiring gays/lesbians in the private sector. Reagan’s response was (again from memory, might be a bit off) “I don’t believe in discrimination against anyone.” The attempts to permit laws allowing discrimination failed.
Mike in Asheville
@Robert in NYC: Indeed that is correct. Even further, at the time, one of Congress’ all-time leading liberals, Ron Dellums, D-CA (Berkeley/Oakland) was the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and he was the chief sponsor and author of the DADT law.
What does annoy me to no end are those so-called Gay-Democrat leaders, most specifically Richard Socarides, who was there at the time and acted on those efforts as White House adviser to Clinton, who then points fingers at Obama for not getting the job done.
It was Clinton and his staff who failed to take the high road and implement his position as commander-in-chief and simply end the ban against gay/lesbian servicemembers. He certainly would have had the full and vocal backing by the then ranking Republican member of the Senate Armed Service Committee, Barry Goldwater.
That was not the path taken so we will never know. But the choice to go with DADT was Clinton’s. Give credit where is due, it was Obama who has ended it.
Little Kiwi
Here’s something to consider about the utter stupidity of this op-ed: not only does it praise the do-nothing, set-us-back WIMPS of GOProud, (who, make no mistake, would shoot every last one of you for being non-white, non-masc, non-Christian, pro-Union, and generally anything other than what your average white trash bigot expects a ‘man’ to be) but she dares to even suggest we need to be good to that racist hack Breitbart.
you know, him? He’s a pig. And even though he’s working with GOProud, he’s still championing anti-gay rhetoric and bigotry. Don’t believe me? Read this : http://talkaboutequality.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/star-wars-game-might-turn-kids-gay-says-breitbarts-blog/
This op-ed was stupid beyond words. If change is going to come from the right ,it’s going to have to come from the Gays who are still sucking up to the Right to finally grow a pair of orbs and demand and command respect and Equality.
Until then, it’s just more right-wing gay suck-ups complaining that the rest of us are making them look bad to their white anti-gay families. Boys, it’s not our fault you can’t stand up for yourselves. Your parents and your chosen political allies don’t hate gays because of gay leftists, they hate gays because they’re ignorant bigots and you wimps act like doormats and give them no reason to check their prejudices.
werk.
Chitown Kev
@Little Kiwi:
That’s what I didn’t like about the oped.
Conservative arguments for gay rights issues can be made…grounded solidly in conservative principles (i.e. I think that Margaret Hoover has made a few of those).
However, the Religious Reich Wing of the Republican Party aren’t true conservatives.
In fact, they never were. They are what used to be called Dixiecrats.
Aaron
Folks, let’s be reasonable. Half of Republicans support gay marriage or civil unions, and a small majority oppse employment discrimination and DADT. Yes, it is absolutely true that many Republicans are enemies of inequality, but not most. It will take bipartisan support to achieve equality. We should be reaching out to fair-minded conservatives insttead of demonizing Republicans-at-large. We should know better than to fight stereotypes with stereotypes. To assume that just because someone is Reoublican means they are anti-gay is assinie and countered by a myriad of empirical evidence. And 4 of the current GOP presidential candidates are fair-minded (on LGBT rights (Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Fred Karger, and John Huntsman). Let’s focus on individuals instead of making generalizations. We have to decide what is important to us-equality, or partisan politics.
TGC
@Little Kiwi: “Homophobia. Xenophobia. Racism. Religious Intolerance. Monetary greed. ”
Better to be a field hand on the liberal plantation run by the party of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow and the Klan, eh? The white supremacists, from the American Nazi Party to the White Aryan Resistance favored ObaMarx, not McCain.
Keep toting that bale. Maybe someday Joe Dirtyknees will increase his six-figure salary enough to buy the freedom of kept bitches like you (yeah, right).
Patsy Stoned
Hysterical. She might have had a point if she wrote that yes, LCR were instrumental in getting DADT repealed. And yes, there are SOME Republicans who don’t vehemently hate gays. A handful. Mostly in the Northeast. Breitbart and GOProud Marys are NOT among them. They fall right in line with VAST majority of Republican elected officials, who have shown their disdain for gay taxpayers time and time again. Just look to New Hampshire and North Carolina for their latest efforts.
TGC
@Mike in Asheville: “and his utter failure and lack of true statesmanship to take action as HIV/AIDS retched our community.”
I’m curious, what exactly should that “statesmanship” have been? Nobody knew exactly what it was or exactly how it was contracted, so what should have been said? Avoid gays like the plague? Shut down the bath houses? That one wasn’t a popular stance even by Randy Shilts. If Reagan had said it, would gay liberals have listened or would they go on with their barebacking as they do today?
In 1982, $2 billion was allocated for AIDS research. Some whine that wasn’t enough. What would’ve been? Even if the entire federal budget was poured into it, it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference.
Aaron
@Patay Stoned I respectfully disagree. Patsy. Democrats tend to significantly underestimate the percentage of Republicans who support equality. How can half of a group of people be construed as “a handful?” It is an understatement. If you are interested, email me at [email protected] and I will send you my powerrpoimt slides with stats on gay rights positions within the GOP. Virtually every national study conducted on the issue has demonstrated that far more than “a handful” of Republicans support gay rights issues. Granted, many do not, and granted-Democrats are statistically far more likely to support LGBT equality, but let’s not dismiss the half of Republicans who are fair-minded. They deserve recognition for their work.. Let’s welcome them to advocacy. We need a bipartisan strategy to win.
Little Kiwi
Useless, Aaron, considering that the folks those “Equality Supporting Republicans” are electing into positions of power DO NOT SUPPORT LGBT EQUALITY.
We’re not “dismissing” this apparent “half” of Republicans who are “fair-minded” – we’re pointing out that they’re about as useful as tits on a fish. OOOhhhh, good for them. They “care” about Equality….. and then they vote into power someone who works AGAINST Equality.
Why is this fact always lost on you people? You say “No! I Support Marriage Equality! Btw, I voted for John McCain.”
Your powerpoint presentation on gay-supportive Republicans is utterly useless because at the end of the day you’re still voting for people who DO NOT SUPPORT EQUALITY.
What recognition do you want from the rest of us? We support Equality and it’s reflected in our votes. You “support Equality’ and it’s not reflected in your votes. At all.
Try again.
Little Kiwi
gotta love how TGC ignores the reality that the racist Southern “Dixiecrats” jumped ship and became, yes, Republicans.
Frankly, i’m sick of you cowardly gay Republicans saying “No! Half of our party DOES support LGBT Equality!”
oh really? too bad it’s not reflected in even a QUARTER of the Republicans you elect into office, eh?
what point do you think you’re making? telling us that half of your chosen-party supports LGBT Equality, even though they continue to vote into power people who not only don’t SUPPORT LGBT Equality, but actively work against it?
if you cared about LGBT Equality it would be reflected in your votes. It’s not. As evidence shows.
Little Kiwi
“And 4 of the current GOP presidential candidates are fair-minded (on LGBT rights (Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Fred Karger, and John Huntsman)”
That’s an outright lie. for starters, i’m a gay Scottish-Canadian and I have a better shot at winning the Republican nomination than Fred Karger.
And if you think Ron Paul is “pro-Equality” then you’re either an outright liar or haven’t actually read up on him. Seriously. Huntsman and Johnson haven’t a shot in hell, either.
http://www.bilerico.com/2011/08/check_out_the_lgbt_stances_of_the_presidential_can.php
how about some honesty, boys?
If you’re a “pro-Equality” Republican then can you explain exactly whom you’ll be voting for in the next election, and perhaps specifically mention whom you voted for in the LAST Presidential election?
How can you be a pro-Equality Republican and then vote for McCain/Palin?
Patsy Stoned
Aaron, studies and polls mean very little. Action means much more. While Republicans who are not in any position of power (the Bush daughters, the Cheneys, Meghan McCain) are often supportive, those in power are absolutely not. It was in fact a handful of Republicans who voted to rid us of the odious DADT and in New York it was again, just a handful who voted for marriage equality. The vast majority have shown their disdain for gays when seeking election and while in office. It is only AFTER they are out of power that they admit they were wrong in hating the gays so much.
This “half” of Republicans you speak of clearly have no communication with their elected officials all over the country, or perhaps we might see more fair-minded officials. I’m more than willing to support decent Republican officials and hope their number increases. But right now Republican politicians cynically choose right-wing hypocrites over gay taxpayers.
TGC
@Little Kiwi: They “care” about Equality….. and then they vote into power someone who works AGAINST Equality…if you cared about LGBT Equality it would be reflected in your votes. It’s not. As evidence shows.
You mean like voting for Clinton and getting DADT and DOMA? Liberals supposedly “care” about equality and then voted into power someone who passed two of the most anti-gay legislation that we’ve seen. Bush was for civil unions decided by the states just like Kerry, Hillary and even ObaMarx. The latter, of course, fought hard to preserve DADT. Gotta love how liberals ignore those facts. If you cared about LGBT equality, it would be reflected in your votes. It’s not, as evidence shows.
“gotta love how TGC ignores the reality that the racist Southern “Dixiecrats” jumped ship and became, yes, Republicans.”
The majority stayed with the racist Democreep party. For example, George Wallace (D) picked up all those southern states in 1968 supposedly after all those Dixieccrats supposedly jumped ship. No, the “racist Southern Dixicrats” jumping ship is not reality nor a fact. That and the “Southern Strategy” myth is how liberals try to convince themselves, and the blacks, that they aren’t the party that favored slavery, segregation and the Klan anymore. The same reason ObaMarx was elected. That way they can keep blacks poor and crushed under their heel.
“The Republican Party is the ship and all else is the sea.” -Fredrick Douglass
Little Kiwi
we get it, TGC. enjoy your lifelong case of Stockholm Syndrome.
pray tell, who did YOU vote for in the last presidential election and whom will you be voting for in the next one?
“ObaMarx” – HILARIOUS. only in the USA would Obama be considered anything resembling a “marxist”
he’s less liberal than Canada’s Conservative Party!
Little Kiwi
seriously, i see how much you care about LGBT Equality. So whom did you vote for in the next election and whom will you be voting for in the next one?
thanks 😀
Little Kiwi
seriously, i see how much you care about LGBT Equality. So whom did you vote for in the last Presidential election and whom will you be voting for in the next one?
thanks 😀
TGC
@Little Kiwi: “we get it, TGC. enjoy your lifelong case of Stockholm Syndrome.”
Stockholm Syndrom? As opposed to reveling in perpetual victimhood on the liberal plantation? Couldn’t cut it on GayPatriot, so you vent your diarrhea here were other liberals will gladly lap it up and tell you how brilliant you are.
“pray tell, who did YOU vote for in the last presidential election and whom will you be voting for in the next one?”
1) I don’t discuss who I vote for. EVER. Even the democreeps I’ve voted for in the past.
B) I’ve not yet made up my mind who I’m voting for and I wouldn’t tell you if I did. All I will tell you is that it won’t be for the token.
““ObaMarx” – HILARIOUS. only in the USA would Obama be considered anything resembling a “marxist”
he’s less liberal than Canada’s Conservative Party!”
Only American liberals would try so desperately to hide who they really are for the sake of getting elected. If Americans saw their true colors and intentions (like we have with the token), liberals would have slightly less chance getting elected as Lyndon Larouche.
Enjoy your toiling on the plantation fo’ de massuhs.
Little Kiwi
so you’re fine with criticizing whom others vote for yet don’t have the orbs to admit, plainly and anonymously considering that your Screen Name is linked to no online profile, whom YOU voted for in the last Presidential Election?
are you referring to Barack Obama being black by calling him “the token”? Ouch. That’s some nice racism.
How’s this for a staggering concept – drop the attitude and just say whom you voted for in the last Presidential Election, and whom you will be voting for in the NEXT Presidential Election?
After all, you claim that LGBT Equality is an important issue for you, so it would be great for all of us to know which candidate you voted for, as they must be apparently much more pro-LGBT.
So, who was it?
Little Kiwi
it seems you base your voting on whomever is the most pro-LGBT.
if so, why not tell us exactly whom you voted for in the last election, and whom you will be voting for in the next election, as clearly you’re aware of a much stronger pro-LGBT Presidential Candidate that the rest of us could benefit from hearing about.
So…. in the last Presidential Election, whom did you vote for?
After all, you have nothing to hide by being honest, right?
Little Kiwi
oh it’s YOU! “TheGayConservative!” HAHAHAH!
Oh yes, GAYPATRIOT.net the website that deletes, censors and then BLOCKS any and every Liberal posting.
right. because you guys are all about “Freedom of Speech”, except when it goes against things you want to hear.
Yes, I remember you commenting on my blog as well….and like you’re doing right now, you refuse to answer any questions clearly and directly.
So, “TheGayConservative” – why not just be a real man for once and just say who it was you voted for the last Presidential Election? It’s clear you care about LGBT Equality – so which candidate did you vote for?
Thanks in advance for your clear, direct and non-evasive answer 😀
Little Kiwi
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-company-do-you-keep.html
there are some of your comments. they’re rather funny.
so, you’re pro-LGBT but anti-Liberal.
ok. I’m sure you can now then let us know which candidate you will be voting for in the next election, as apparently you care very much about LGBT Equality.
So, whom is it? Why would you not just say it? Got something to hide?
I, being Canadian, did not vote in the US election. I did, however, vote in the Canadian one while out of the country. NDP, baby 😀
See? Those of us with nothing to hide hide nothing. Who did you vote for in the next election, and whom is it you’ll be voting for in the next one?
Aaron
@ Little Kiwi and Patty Stoned…In posts 51 and 55, you inferred that I botrytis for anti-gay Republicans. I consider this to be a prime example of how liberals sometimes stereotype Republicans. Last election, I could neither support Obama nor McCain by principle, so I supported Bob Barr, whose LGBT platform I daresay is more supportive than Obama’s. As for the present, Gary Jonson runs on a platform of, “Imagine an administration in which LGBT is not a four-lettered word.” he endorses civil unions, although admittedly not gay marriage (he thinks the Feds should get out of the marriage business altogether). He opposes DADT and supports gay adoption. Can you tell me how his, Ron Paul’s, or John Huntsman’s positions on gay rights issues differ in any way from our “fierce advocate,” President Obama? I would think a true advocate would rejoice that for once there are a handful of GOP candidates who are supporting LGBT rights. Or perhaps you would rejoice that over the last 2 decades, GOP support for gay rights issues have increased significantly? Or that a few brave Rs in NY voted for gay marriage (without their votes it would not have passed-a prime example of the importance of a bipartisan strategy)). Or that a conservative, Bush-appointed judge overturned Prop 8? Or that the attorney who won the fight against it was an R? Or that LCR won a lawsuit against DADT? Or that several prominent Rs spoke up in support of gay marriage (e.g. Schwarzenegger, M. McCain, Cindy McCain, the Cheneys, Laura Bush, the Bush sisters)? And I could bore you with loads of examples of what Rs are doing for equality in my area. I know the GOP is far from where it needs to be on these issues, but dear God-welcome everyone-regardless of political party-who wishes to unite in this movement. This is a superior strategy to condemning conservatives-at-large. Dont allow partisan politics to get in the way of equality. Is your tent big enough for us?
Little Kiwi
“Dont allow partisan politics to get in the way of equality. Is your tent big enough for us?”
You’re asking the wrong people. Start talking to your fellow Republicans, who (by a majority) are voting for candidates who are running on platforms of Anti-Gay Prejudice.
You keep saying “Republicans aren’t all anti-gay” and keep ignoring the FACT that the vast vast vast majority of Republicans in power are holding and promoting anti-gay platforms.
Congrats. You can name fewer than 10 GOPs in power who aren’t anti-gay. That’s peanuts.
You’re being intellectually dishonest – you say “half” of the Republican base is pro-LGBT, yet they’re not voting for pro-LGBT Candidates. The GOP dudes you mentioned? They’re not going to get the nomination. They’re not.
Are you going to vote Republican anyway? Likely.
You talk about “liberals stereotyping Republicans”
you’re wasting your time when the harsh reality is that your fellow Republicans stereotype, demonize, vilify and work against LGBT people.
Stop telling “liberal gays” that the GOP “aren’t all bad” and start telling your fellow Republicans that you wont’ support them if they promote and condone anti-LGBT prejudice.
seriously.
Little Kiwi
quite simply, you gay GOP-ers need to grow a pair and start being intellectually honest. Stop telling LGBT people that they GOP aren’t the enemy and start telling your fellow Republicans that LGBT Equality doesn’t come at their expense.
don’t want gays to think the GOP is anti-gay? Don’t TELL us, SHOW us – you can’t keep helping electing anti-gay republicans into power and then saying “stop stereotyping all republicans as anti-gay!”
Uh…stop voting in anti-gay republicans. you can’t blame us for seeing the stats, kids.
Aaron
Kiwi, I thought my previous post made it clear that I neither vote for nor support anti-gay Republicans. I vote on principles-not partisanship. I support fair-minded candidates and oppose anti-gay candidates. My point is that we need a bipartisan strategy to win, that while many R’s are anti-gay, many are not and should be welcomed to the fold of advocacy. I was hoping you could at least agree with me on that, but it doesn’t appear so. Instead you keep telling me not to support anti-gay candidates. Again, i dont. We seem to be running in circles. Se la vi. I wish you well.
Little Kiwi
“Kiwi, I thought my previous post made it clear that I neither vote for nor support anti-gay Republicans”
meaning you didn’t vote for any of the Republicans currently holding a Senate seat?
“My point is that we need a bipartisan strategy to win, that while many R’s are anti-gay, many are not and should be welcomed to the fold of advocacy. ”
you’re being intellectually dishonest. we need an anti-bigotry strategy to win, not a “bi-partisan” one. if it’s a pro-Equality Dem VS a trypically-bigoted Repub, who are YOU gonna vote for?
it’s not that may R’s are anti-gay, it’s that the vast majority is, and your claim that “half” of the Republican base is pro-LGBT is dishonest – if it was true we wouldn’t have the legit Presidential Candidates competing to see who is “the most anti-gay” to win votes.
but my issues with the GOP are not merely their historic anti-gay bigotry. their fiscal plans are stupid, their taxation schemes insulting to intelligent and compassionate minds, and the whole “healthcare” stance offensive to human decency.
you need to be talking less to me and more to guys like “TGC” (AKA, ThatGayConservative, from GAYPATRIOT.NET, one of the most gallingly racist and self-hating homophobic sites on the internet).
You waste time when you say Liberals need to welcome in Pro-Equality Republicans. YOu need to get your fellow REPUBLICANS to welcome in pro-Equality Republicans. Your chosen people keep voting in anti-gay Repubs.
and it’s C’est La Vie, not “se la vi”
French. it’s a language you know, not a series of sounds.
Little Kiwi
and just so we’re clear – i hold this same stance toward LGBT and LGBT-supportive members of conservative/anti-gay religious denominations.
if you truly believe in LGBT Equality, stop giving money to religious organizations that promote anti-LGBT Prejudice and Bigotry.
like that poll where most Catholics supported gay marriage and civil unions. Do people not realize that if those supportive people stopped giving MONEY to those religious groups then the groups would be forced to rethink their “official stances?”
Like in the 1978 when the LDS “realized” that God had changed His mind about black people? (actually, they realized it would be harder to evangelize and convert non-whites as long as they kept insisting that black people have dark skin as a curse from God for being a ‘fallen race of cain’).
the GOP won’t change their historic anti-gay stance as long as LGBT and LGBT-“Supportive” people continue to vote for them anyway.
give them a reason to change. don’t tell us not to judge the GOP – give the GOP no reason to be judged by us.
for real.
Aaron
” If it’s a pro-Equality Dem VS a trypically-bigoted Repub, who are YOU gonna vote for?”
The answer is-it depends. If the democrat was also fiscally conservatives, constitutionalist, and espoused my values of limited government, individual liberty and individual responsibility, and free market enterprise, then I would likely vote D. However, I think that scenario is unlikely, so I would either vote for neither candidate OR find a third party candidate who both espouses limited government and is fair minded on LGBT issues, as I did in 2008. As for intellectual dishonesty, I am a social scientist who adheres to empericism. ll I can say is that my claim about half of R’s being fair-minded is supported by virtually every peer-reviewed study published on this topic. Since you neither believe me nor are interested in viewing my sources, I applaud your skepticism ad encourage you to research it for yourself.
And my apologies about “se la vi.” I did not intend to offend. French is not one of te languages I have mastered. Please forgive my ignorance.
Know that whether you like it or not, I am a libertarian-leaning conservative and registered Republican who will continue to fight tirelessly for equality whether you like me or not, because I believe it is the right thing to do. It is unfortunate that we cannot unite on that front.
Little Kiwi
if the GOP is about “fiscal conservatism” then how come every GOP administration for the last few decades puts the country into debt?
it’s not “whether i like it or not” – the problem is not that “you and i” cannot “unite on that front” but that you, clearly, cannot United with your fellow Republicans on that front.
for real.
yay. half of the GOP base is “pro-Gay” and yet the leading GOP candidates are all decidedly anti-gay. congrats.
this isn’t about you guys convincing “liberals” that “not all GOPs are anti-gay” – this is about the sheer fact that you guys can’t convince your fellow Republicans to drop the anti-gay B.S.
if half of you guys are pro-LGBT then you’re incredibly lazy and useless because your numbers still don’t result in voting in Pro-LGBT Candidates nor in changing the overwhelmingly anti-gay tone of American Conservatism.
for real. you think half the GOP is pro-Equality? They must be the laziest people on earth. is it a non-voting half? it must be, given statistics.
TGC
@Little Kiwi: “quite simply, you gay GOP-ers need to grow a pair and start being intellectually honest.”
You mean bite on a pillow and vote for the party of racism, hate and bigotry that only gives a shit about you and your “equality” come election time and smacks you around the rest of the time.
“are you referring to Barack Obama being black by calling him “the token”? Ouch. That’s some nice racism.”
No sir, electing an incompetent boob based solely on his skin color, so you can pretend you’re not a bigot, is racism.
“because you guys are all about “Freedom of Speech”, except when it goes against things you want to hear.”
Actually, there’s lots of comments by liberals on GP, on a daily basis, that are still there. What doesn’t get to stay is comments by angry, bigoted douche nozzle assholes. And maybe you ought to preach about freedom of speech to your massuhs. I’ve been booted from pages by Alex Sink, Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz (another token), Howard Dean, the Daily Koshole etc. So you can take your whining of being censored and cram it back into your twat.
the crustybastard
@Dubbz:
That’s a really excellent analysis. Spot on.
@Mike in Asheville:
It also bears mention that Democrat Ron Dellums had for 22 years refused to vote for any defense bill on principle, until he crammed a military gay ban in one.
However, I disagree with your point that Obama deserves “credit” for ending the ban. A federal court killed the ban. Obama revived it in favor of his “legislative repeal” — the same sort of halfass compromise as Clinton’s DADT policy but with far worse motives. His “repeal” merely states “we won’t fire you just because, but we still have no obligation to treat you (or any of the other homos we already screwed over) justly or equitably.”
Progress? Barely.
Steve
I will consider the possibility of supporting Republicans, after the Republican party and most of its members co-sponsor and pass the “Respect for Marriage Act”.
As long as they insist on treating me as as a second-class citizen, my political support will go to others.