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If Real World DC‘s Mike Had Sex with a Lady Roommate, Will You Stop Saying He’s ‘Just’ Gay?

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Real World DC‘s adorable Mike Manning had the family moment every queer boy wishes: Where his mom accepts him for who he is, and promises to learn more about the way his son lives, and they hug it out. Mike just happens to have enjoyed that moment while cameras were rolling. But less friendly than his family’s acceptance of his sexuality has been some gay viewers (and Queerty readers!), who still don’t believe Mike is actually bi. Sure, he can insist over and over that he likes girls too, but will was his acknowledgment, on Real World‘s online after-show, that he likes boys more than girlsquiet down the questioning? Or only ramp it up?

Better question: Will the rumors that he and roommate Ashley got it on — which neither will confirm nor deny — cement his bisexuality? You know, because he must prove these things to us.

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But the BIGGER QUESTION: Why didn’t MTV’s cameras show this? Cheated!

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  • 62 Comments
    • Cam
      Cam

      It isn’t that I don’t believe. What happens is that people on here will point out that it is very possible that he is claiming bisexuality as a lot of gay guys do as one of the early steps to coming out completely as gay. The next thing you know somebody will post that all gays are nazi’s and bigots and biphobic etc… for daring to suggest that anybody isn’t bi if they say they are. I have no agenda, it doesn’t effect me either way if this kid is bi. I’m just pointing out that there are a gigantic number of completely gay guys out there who slept with a good girl friend in high school, college, or even got married and had kids to hide from the fear of coming out. I can accept the existance of bisexuality, what I notice however is that bisexuals refuse to accept that for whatever reason a huge number of gays think that claiming bisexuality is an easier first step to coming out than just saying “I’m gay”.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 2:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      Mike needs to get a cut of the Queerty revenue…..3 threads currently running………Whatever, he seems to be a genuine guy. He provided us all a great Mommy moment. And he probably inspired like ten thousand gay teens to summonn the courage to tell their family their story……Most persons use the Bi tag as a security blanket as they come out……….Most abandon it but if you wish to continute to identify as Bi so be it……..

      Hey how bout a tired old Bi joke????? I know a guy who is Bi, he sleeps with men and boys!!! (before the poster police start screaming they are over the age of consent….. : P)

      Feb 19, 2010 at 3:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker
      delurker

      He’s not even looking at the girl’s tits in the freeze frame! Not bi!

      Feb 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lukas P.
      Lukas P.

      He’s young, he’s horney, he’s surrounded by pretty people, and says he’s bi. And acts on +all+ of those things. If he identifies as bi, who’s to argue? His actions seem to match his words.

      It’s almost like he’s being asked to pick a team: the gays, the straights, the bi’s all want him to “pick a side” and stick with it. Human sex-U-al-i-ty isn’t that simple, static or concrete. The peen has its own logic, y’know?

      MTV’s decision not to air the whole Ashley situation may be part of a bigger plotline, a play for ratings because of the “Is he or isn’t he” drama, or just because the footage was lousy. Who knows? Maybe Aslhey’s Trans and they havent revealed that yet! Talk about a plot twist…..

      It’s still a good show and I bet it does some good for the folks at home who are questioning, curious, or struggling.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 3:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael W.
      Michael W.

      There are probably millions of gays who feel they might be bisexual, but they’re scared to come out for fear of being shunned by their gay friends and family members. The repression of bisexuals by gay men like Cam and Terrwill is something that rarely gets discussed. It’s called biphobia, and there are countless untold stories of gay people in relationships who sneak out to have sex with members of the opposite sex under the cover of night.

      I hope that someone like Mike can inspire these people to break free of the gay closet and come out as bisexual. To remain hidden only further reinforces the ignorant idea that bisexuality doesn’t truly exist.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 3:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 5 · Michael W. said…
      There are probably millions of gays who feel they might be bisexual, but they’re scared to come out for fear of being shunned by their gay friends and family members. The repression of bisexuals by gay men like Cam and Terrwill is something that rarely gets discussed.
      _____________

      Two things,
      1. just where exactly did I, in my post say anything repressive towards bisexuals? Seriously, I said that you fail to accept the fact that many gays say that they are bi as a first step out of the closet and I pointed out that you come on here and attack gay men.
      2. Rarely discussed?! All that bisexuals seem to do on here is come in and talk about how horrible the gay community is and how much we attack you. Do you even read what you write

      Feb 19, 2010 at 3:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker
      delurker

      @Michael W.: huh? i’m sure many gay guys’ parents would be thrilled to discover they like girls. the last thing they would do is shun them.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 3:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      @Cam: I second that. Cam and I are not being “repressive” simply pointing out what in most cases actually happens It is so damm frustrating that people in these threads don’t take the time to actually read what someone posts prior to lashing out and making accusations.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 4:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • J.
      J.

      Mike W., why are you attacking gay men, only? You think straight people believe male bisexuals exist? Get real! NO ONE thinks they exist!

      Feb 19, 2010 at 4:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • J.
      J.

      Mike W.,why are you attacking gay men, only? You think straight people believe male bisexuals exist? Get real! NO ONE thinks they exist!

      Feb 19, 2010 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lukas P.
      Lukas P.

      @terrwill: &@CAM: I didn’t pick up on any attempt to be repressive on your parts. This a loaded topic, for sure, and emotions run high…..

      I mentioned this on another related thread, but my colleague who studies these things is seeing in prelim. research that the younger guys coming out in their teens & ~20s over the last 10ish years do seem to identify more often as Bi than did guys who came out a generation ago.

      Where she’s heading with this is that they ALSO are more likely to reporting having relationships with both genders.

      Nothing definitive yet, but interesting. Over some vino, she’ll say she thinks that the reason may be that there’s less pressure now to be EITHER straight or gay than there was then [e.g. when guys my age and older were coming out.] and possibly more acceptance of bisexuality being considered an orientation rather than a way station. Just a thought.

      That last hypothesis isn’t part of the research, at least yet, because that shit is very hard to measure/quantify, but the data seem to point to more guys self ID-ing as Bi for longer, and mesh with #s on who’s having sex with whom.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 4:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      @Lukas P.: TYVM!

      Feb 19, 2010 at 4:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kevin_BGFH
      Kevin_BGFH

      If he lets me watch him have sex, either with a guy or a girl, he can call himself whatever he wants.

      Seriously, though, it confuses me when some gay people I know can so adamant that there’s no such thing as bisexuality. Sure, sometimes some gay people say that at first as a way of transitioning out of the closet, and some guys I know seem to think of it as the PC thing to say, even though I’ve never seen them so much as look at a woman. But even though I’m probably as gay as they come, it’s not so hard for me to imagine there could be something in between for other people.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 4:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      Hi Kevin,

      I have no problem imagining that bi exists. Two very good friends, one male one female are bi. Both had several same sex relationships and then funnily enough married each other. That is why I get so surprised at the weird attacks on gays from the bi’s on here. My friends will be the first ones to laugh about the “Bi Now Gay Later” boys, with his wife saying things like “Yeah, he’s so bi he couldn’t take his eys off you guys and didn’t once look at any girl in the room.” They are secure in their sexuality, dated both sexes and made their choice, and don’t need to jump on or attack gays for the gigantic insult our existance seems to be to the bi community.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 5:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      Why are homosexuals even more adamant than heterosexuals that men can’t be bisexual? If a guy is going to come out as bisexual I don’t think it’s anyone’s business to question him since bisexuals seem to face even more problems than homosexuals since bisexuals have to put up with homosexuals telling them they’re full of it. If a guy is going to admit he sleeps with other men I don’t think “well I also like women” is going to keep him from facing homophobia. In today’s world, however, a guy an sleep with ten chicks yet if he sleeps with one guy everyone assumes he must be a homosexual.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 5:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David
      David

      Michael, you are high on crack. Straights totally insist that once a man has done anything with a guy, even a hand job in their youth, they are gay.

      Fuck off this this “homosexuals even more adamant than heterosexuals that men can’t be bisexual”, you tool.

      In the case of Mike, Mike as the poster-boy for bisexuals will blow up in their face within a year. He’s not bisexual. He’s still finding himself. Give the kid a break people.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 6:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      David,

      I believe that Mike Manning is finding himself in terms of the person he wishes to settle down with. This search can take many years.

      I don’t, however, believe that Mike is finding himself in terms of his sexual orientation. I genuinely believe that he is oriented to both genders, albeit to varying degrees.

      When he eventually finds himself, it will be in terms of the person and not the orientation.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hardmannyc
      hardmannyc

      Does anyone care?

      Feb 19, 2010 at 6:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Michael,

      I agree with you. There’s an eerie resemblance between gay and straight guys in terms of the rush to classify any man who’s had a male-male relationship as “gay”. It’s truly an eerie, and disturbing, relationship.

      There’s a cultist feel to the whole thing. Maybe “gay and “straight” are cultish notions.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 6:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • spindoc
      spindoc

      @ No. 19 · jason
      Michael,

      I agree with you. There’s an eerie resemblance between gay and straight guys in terms of the rush to classify any man who’s had a male-male relationship as “gay”. It’s truly an eerie, and disturbing, relationship.

      There’s a cultist feel to the whole thing. Maybe “gay and “straight” are cultish notions…………………………………………………………..

      You have to be kidding me, the angry freakish way the bisexuals come on here and attack anybody who dares suggest that somebody may not be bi much more resembles the way the Scientologists and Mormons group think minds work than anything that the gay or straights have said.a

      Feb 19, 2010 at 7:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • adam
      adam

      Spindoc,

      Actually, I think the way gay men come on here and deny the existence of male bisexuals is akin to President Ahmadinejad of Iran denying the existence of homosexuals in his country.

      Gay men and President Ahmadinejad have more than a little in common.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 7:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shade
      Shade

      Let the boy be bi.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 8:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Millie_G
      Millie_G

      SHADE N° 22 said it all

      LET HIM BE FREAKIN’ BI!!!…and a hot one to boot :)

      END OF STORY.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 10:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Philip A.
      Philip A.

      He’s cute and charming. Love him! ;)

      Feb 19, 2010 at 11:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josh AZ
      Josh AZ

      HE is trying to be honest – let him.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 11:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @David:
      If you want to talk about “tools” you need to review your own belt first. But, hey, if you’d like to get into a match of wits have at it but I think it’s only best if I knock myself unconscious first so the playing field will at least be more level.

      Sorry, David, but homosexuals do indeed insist a guy must be gay, more so than heterosexuals, if he claims to be bisexual.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 3:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Anthony in Nashville
      Anthony in Nashville

      How can you have rumors about a reality show unless one of the participants is talking?

      Feb 20, 2010 at 9:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jorge
      Jorge

      My issue is not with his sexuality, it’s the manner that his sexuality is discussed. He almost makes it seem that he’s more macho and masculine because there is a part of him that likes girls. His brother got incredibly defensive saying, “he’s bi, he’s not gay!” Well alright, fine but when it’s put that way it seems like being bi is a little bit less evil than being gay.

      Then beyond all that, it’s clear he’s not sure what he is. Like he’s not settled on his sexuality, does he like boys or girls more? When he answers those questions he’s thinking aloud, he hasn’t figured it out yet. So what grates on me is stuff like that AfterElton thing that’s all confrontation about being bisexual “DEAL WITH IT”. It’s just silly.

      Besides, who cares? The Real World has already done the bisexual (at least in behavior) guy coming to terms with his sexuality with Davis. This story isn’t interesting at all–I’m sure they could have found a new perspective to explore.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 9:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • spindoc
      spindoc

      @No. 21 · adam
      Spindoc,

      Actually, I think the way gay men come on here and deny the existence of male bisexuals is akin to President Ahmadinejad of Iran denying the existence of homosexuals in his country.

      Gay men and President Ahmadinejad have more than a little in common.

      _______________-

      Your ridiculous hyperbol shows the crazy foaming at the mouth nut-job you must be. So lets get this straight. Some people on here, are saying that this guy, who will not sleep with his beautiful willing female roomate who keeps hitting on him…but who goes out and hooks up with random guys constantly, may be gay and not bi…..and you are comparing that to somebody stringing up people and hanging them in the town square. You do realize that what you are doing is much more akin to what is going on in Iran. You are seeking to hidiously over-demonize a group of people merely because they don’t share your exact opinion. I’m curious, if your mail carrier is late with a delivery do you say he is exactly like Hitler because Hitler read mail?

      Feb 20, 2010 at 10:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hephaestion
      hephaestion

      So he’s bi. Good on him. He’s a great kid.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 10:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • NoDoubleStandards
      NoDoubleStandards

      @Jorge: It is ironic that some who claim to be against labels are so often unable to address nuanced arguments. That’s how I read some of the response over generalization the discussion of whether this kid if bisexual. So, I agree with your view. A lot of people, well at least the simple minded here, have a problem with nuance so they can not understand the specific statements being made without generalization. But, I think I understand why they need to say these things. They feel threatened so they must simplify the discussion to pretend the question of bisexuality is an easy question. That the label is correct rather than possibly questionable and situation specific.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 11:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charles Merrill
      Charles Merrill

      Usually, but not always, characteristics of a bi-sexual man tend to be more masculine and can easily pass as straight. He sure fits that description. Only he knows for sure, but what group wouldn’t want him on their team? He is adorable.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 1:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • NoDoubleStandards
      NoDoubleStandards

      @Charles Merrill: @Charles Merrill: I really wish some of you would stop confusing what your dick says with reality. Of the comments here, yours is the most insane.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 1:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scott
      Scott

      Wait, people still watch real world?

      Feb 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lukas P.
      Lukas P.

      @NoDoubleStandards: Many human brains resort to binary thinking: “Person X is gay or straight” or “Person Y isn’t my friend therefore s/he is my enemy.”

      Trying to reason with someone possessing such limited cognitive function or fluency is like trying to convince a person in a coma to go skydiving: Ain’t gonna work.

      Don’t waste your time on them.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 1:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jorge
      Jorge

      I don’t understand why he’s even worth watching. I know somebody is going to scream that I’m jealous, old and bitter–but I’m none of those things.

      Put next to Pedro from season 1, Mike is a joke. Mike doesn’t appear to be terribly smart, articulate or even funny. The only thing extraordinary is his bisexual behavior and his muscles both of which aren’t that uncommon–we’ve seen it before! I find it hard to believe they couldn’t find somebody with a genuine political/advocacy interest to actually take advantage of this DC opportunity. What kind of message is this sending?

      Feb 20, 2010 at 4:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • A now confused John from England (used to be just John but there are other John's)
      A now confused John from England (used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @Jorge:

      It’s the way he…looks.

      Like that typical white jock that every put upon gay kid wished and DIED for because he looked…normal.

      He’s normality is what is HOT.

      If he was extra-ordinary in the true sense, you would see more argument. If he was ‘real’ as in who he is, instead of this white bread cardboard cut out..he wouldn’t be that popular.

      Gays are self hating. They chase the popular because it results back to who they were at school.

      Haven’t you noticed why gay men love mean famous women who pander to them? Madonna or Lady Gaga have NEVER given money to gay rights before they were famous. After? Gaga does gigs! Madonna smiles with her dancers!

      But yet the gay community accept this.

      To me that in itself is fascinating and it has nothing to do with not being into good pop because I can name you more than enough British pop stars who have been outspoken about gay rights from the start and don’t pander like the odious women gays love.

      Feb 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pip
      Pip

      Mike Halfbrows isn’t bi. He’s ‘I’

      Feb 20, 2010 at 8:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • HueMan
      HueMan

      Sadly, this pointless argument has consequences; what would possess an out gay man (Eric) who is on his first or second date (in RW Time) with Mike to get up in his grill about which team Mike really plays on?! It’s especially unhelpful to challenge Mike as he is still a Newbie coming to terms with his sexuality. Someone needs to take the Eric’s of the world aside and explain about “Gay Paree” and “the farm”. On the argument, I have been hit on enough times by super-straight married men to believe that there are men normally attracted to men who are (sometimes/occasionally/once in a while) attracted to women.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 1:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kyle24
      Kyle24

      Do you really think if Mike and Ashley hooked up that Bunim Murray would have missed that action? The entire house is covered with cameras and mics to get a good story. The supposed “bi” guy hooking up with a femake roommate would have been shot and aired if it happened. I work in TV and it’s moments like this alleged tryst that producers can’t wait to happen in a reality whow. Mike was cast as the “bi” guy so it would add to the drama to see him being bi. I don’t believe it happened. The way Mike and Ashley discussed it on air made it seem like it was a joke or a comment made for a few more seconds of their 15 minutes. If Mike is truly “bi” wouldn’t he just come out and talk about banging Ashley? If this footage existed don’t you think MTV would have it in the episode or at least on their webiste to drive traffic to the “unseen footage”?

      It didn’t happen. The kids is still gay.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 2:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • blksantos
      blksantos

      Let go of the man. I think he’s sincere and genuinely believes in his bisexuality. If it’s just a phase(bi-now-gay-later phase) then who are we to bitch slap him and tell him to go get gay now.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 3:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • spindoc
      spindoc

      @ No. 37 · A now confused John from England (used to be just John but there are other John’s)
      @Jorge:

      It’s the way he…looks.

      Like that typical white jock that every put upon gay kid wished and DIED for because he looked…normal.

      He’s normality is what is HOT.

      If he was extra-ordinary in the true sense, you would see more argument. If he was ‘real’ as in who he is, instead of this white bread cardboard cut out..he wouldn’t be that popular.

      Gays are self hating. They chase the popular because it results back to who they were at school.””””””

      So John, by your argument all of those straight guys who are attracted to the women on the cover of MAxim Magazine or Playboy are self hating…….yeeeaaahhhh, or they are attracted to attractive people.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 9:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kieran
      Kieran

      I’d be more than happy to have someone like Mike Manning representing gay and bisexual Americans. For somebody to have that much poise, confidence and self-awareness at so young an age is truly remarkable and a credit to his parents. Let’s just hope all the bitter, bitchy, useless queens in our “community” don’t make him wish he stayed closeted.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 3:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Albert
      Albert

      I have never discussed anyone’s preferences, except my own. World, please follow suit.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 8:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Andrew
      Andrew

      I think that Mike is bi, and is being truthful when he talks about his attraction, but “Real World” is never that real.
      I do think he trumps up his attraction to girls because he doesn’t want the stereotype that a guy who’s attracted to other guys is feminine, etc.
      The only thing that bothers me with Mike is that when I watch the show, it comes off that he’s not being entirely honest with himself (or the producers aren’t portraying his feelings accurately; shocker, I know).

      Feb 21, 2010 at 8:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lukas P.
      Lukas P.

      Fun to discuss the “is he/isn’t he” drama? Hell yeah!
      Does what we say matter to Mike? Probably not. How much of what we see and hear is “real” versus cooked up by editors and producers is anyone’s guess.
      It’s good TV. It brings back memories of the first awkward steps and jumps of coming out, maybe retreating and coming out. It’s a zig zag for lots of us.

      His sexual orientation is still being defined by him, and may even get redefined later. It happens.

      This isn’t like polling a citizen to see if s/he’s going to vote for candidate A or B.
      Let him figure this complicated sex issue out in the REAL world, the one where he’s not being followed by camera and wearing a mic.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 12:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Hilarious
      Hilarious

      Anyone who thinks a 22 year old even understands the concept of bisexuality to know if they are or not in the first place is a total fool.

      Christ I claimed to be bisexual from 15-22 myself. I’m still learning new things about bisexuality today at 26.

      The kid is gay, he knows it, his mother knows it, and women in general apparently know it.

      It’s amusing that the only places these bisexuality arguments pop up is on the internet. In real everyday life bisexuals are a damned rarity.

      Once his mother said he was gay I assumed all argument over this kid would be done. His mother who lives with him, knows who he’s been dating since he started dating, and flat out said “I always knew.” has the final say for us the viewers. She truly knows him, we don’t. He’s gay, get over it.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 7:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Hilarious,

      Male bisexual orientation is extremely common, the figure being around 90% of all men. Most straight guys won’t admit to same-sex feelings because it is still heavily stigmatized.

      Keep in mind that Mother Nature rarely comes in blacks and whites. Think of all the colors in between. Human sexuality is like that.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 7:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      I think male bisexuality terrifies gays and liberals. It goes against the pity paradigm that has enabled gay rights to become a political force. Male bisexuality basically counters the politics of the gay rights movement. It also counters the pity class notions of liberals wherein liberals dispense their sympathies according to the class you belong to – eg black, gay, female.

      Male bisexuality also terrifies women, including bisexual women. That’s because male bisexuality is honest, female bisexuality is often phony. Male bisexuality exposes the fraudulent female bisexuals, and the phony nature of female sexuality in general.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 8:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rowen
      Rowen

      I’ve had to give this speech before, and it looks like it’s time to trot it out again.
      I haven’t seen anyone on *this* threat lambaste bisexuality, but express some doubts on this guys claimed sexuality. And there’s a reason for that. MANY gay men come out as bisexual first. Some even stay in the closet and sleep with women for a while. So, when we see/hear a young man who seems somewhat unsure of himself say he’s bisexual, AND he seems to have very little to do with women, we tend to smile and nod and wait for him to mature a bit. Sometimes, they are bisexual and that’s great. Most of the time, they aren’t, and it’s a passing thing, one step in the coming out process. My suggestion, instead of bitching at the gay community for having a less then stellar response to the coming out process of the young and horny, why not pour that outrage into changing the machismo image of our society’s sexuality, so that non-bisexuals don’t feel that they HAVE to take that extra step, and thus help to defame those who really ARE bisexual.

      Secondly, he’s a reality TV actor. Most of those want to go on to do bigger and better paying gigs. The actors who are out as gay, and having success are rare, and I’m sure this young man feels a lot of pressure to not be labeled as “that fag on that MTV show.” Kinda how, in the first season of Heroes, Claire’s little follower was supposed to be a young gay guy, but the actor’s agent nixed that idea because he felt it would be detrimental to the ability of the actor getting cast in other, non-gay roles.

      So, we have a young, aspiring actor, in a world where there’s pressure to stay in the closet, who’s at a point in his life where he’s still searching for his sexuality (which, for him, just happens to be on camera), so there’s gonna be some eye rolls. Though, if you bisexuals want to claim him, I say go for it. He’s doing about as much for the GLBT community as Adam Lambert and Tila Tequila.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 9:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker
      delurker

      @A now confused John from England (used to be just John but there are other John’s): “It’s the way he…looks.

      Like that typical white jock that every put upon gay kid wished and DIED for because he looked…normal.

      He’s normality is what is HOT.”

      Truer words were ne’er spoken on queerty.

      You can also replace “every put upon gay kid” with (almost)
      “every gay man” and it would still be true.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 10:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker
      delurker

      @jason: Ok, Jason. You trot this BS out in every Mike Manning or bisexuality post. Post some links that show 90% of men are bi or shut up.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 10:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 49 · jason said…
      I think male bisexuality terrifies gays and liberals. It goes against the pity paradigm that has enabled gay rights to become a political force.
      _____________________

      Oh please, if anybody is begging for pity in here it’s you. “Waaaaa!!! The evil gays are oppressing me!” Let me ask you a question. Just how are you oppressed? If you date a man, then you are protected by all the gay rights laws on the books and are not suject to any more problems then gay men are….if you date a woman then you have society’s full blessing and do not have any problems running afoul of anti gay laws. So your worst case scenariou is that you are no worse off then gays when dating a man and your best case scenario oppression wise is that you date a woman and have zero problems with legal oppression…something gays do not get. So again, your anger just seems to be the same type of anger that people of privilage have…you’re just upset that you aren’t getting the same attention.

      Feb 22, 2010 at 11:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Herb
      Herb

      Mike Manning does not come across as bi. If true bisexuality in men exists, Mike Manning is not one of them.

      Watching his forced making out with women on the show is awkward and embarrassing — even for his roommates who have commented on his pathetic attempts to convey he is bi.

      Mar 6, 2010 at 12:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Herb
      Herb

      If having sex with Ashley is supposed to cement Mike’s bisexuality, why is Ashley the one who keeps saying she doesn’t believe Mike is really bi, but that he is gay? She has had sex with him, and can tell the truth.

      Just because a gay guy can have sex with a woman hardly makes him bi. Most gay men could have sex with women. Sexual orientation is about innate sexual desire, not who you can make yourself have sex with.

      Mar 6, 2010 at 1:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Klarth
      Klarth

      @Jorge: #28

      exactly. that is the issue, and the reason for some of the “Bi Now Gay Later” action that goes on. It’s less unacceptable than being 100% gay. And furthermore, there is still the possibility of a opposite sex marriage and genetically related offspring, which is so important to heteros (understandably, as it’s how the species survives, but still…).

      This whole gay vs bi male thing is SO tired. The crap bis may have to deal with is nothing compared to the very real prejudice self-identified gays and lesbians endure. We’re seen as MORE unnatural, instead of just really open-minded, so we’re persecuted more. When was the last time a bi person was hazed specifically for being bi, not taken as gay?

      However, I respect that there is a B in LGBT for a reason. I’m not trying to change that. But the drama between the Gs ans the Bs is just infighting. In no way is it comparable to actual homophobia, and it is offensive for people to claim otherwise.

      Mar 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Klarth
      Klarth

      @Cam:

      Oh please, if anybody is begging for pity in here it’s you. “Waaaaa!!! The evil gays are oppressing me!” Let me ask you a question. Just how are you oppressed? If you date a man, then you are protected by all the gay rights laws on the books and are not suject to any more problems then gay men are….if you date a woman then you have society’s full blessing and do not have any problems running afoul of anti gay laws. So your worst case scenariou is that you are no worse off then gays when dating a man and your best case scenario oppression wise is that you date a woman and have zero problems with legal oppression…something gays do not get. So again, your anger just seems to be the same type of anger that people of privilage have…you’re just upset that you aren’t getting the same attention.

      ________________________________________________________________

      I have to say this is a good point. In a sense, Bis do have the best of both worlds. I don’t see what the problem is.

      Also, are the two posters complaining of mistreatment even bi? They haven’t said so. Maybe this is just the work of trolls.

      Mar 22, 2010 at 1:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dana
      Dana

      @Cam: because it’s true. if it wasn’t you wouldn’t be on here constantly trying to disprove we exist

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dana
      Dana

      @David: really? did he tell you that, or do you have a psychic connection with him?

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dana
      Dana

      @Klarth: we’re upset that we have to deal with people like you who say we don’t exist. we’re upset that we’re shunned by the straight community (no matter who we date, if we admit ANY same sex attraction we are treated the SAME as you-just like mixed race people and the one drop rule), then from people like you in the gay community we have to deal with this privilege crap. I’ve been attacked, disavowed by family members, and experienced a lot the same issues you do, even when I date men, b/c I’m very open about supporting queer issues and being bi (which limits the men I date-they’re either bi or very liberal straight b/c most straight men won’t get near a serious relationship with a bi girl-they consider us just a sport). So how am I getting privilege exactly? You don’t get “half beat up” leaving a gay bar or admitting to being queer. Bi’s don’t get “half a discharge” from DADT. My family did’t say I committed “half sins”. In fact some people say we are even worse b/c we “spread aids”.Get off your ass and stop being a hypocrite.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dana
      Dana

      @Klarth: yesterday actually. does that meet with your approval? Or do I need to end up in a hospital?

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Maria York/ Mizz M
      Maria York/ Mizz M

      Heard about this post, surprise, surprise. Looks like it’s the same haters over and over. I doubt this article will change anyone’s mind, but you never know, miracles do happen:

      http://bisocialnetwork.com/bisexuls-hetero-privilege-myth/

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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