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If Students Believe The Bible Says Gays Should Be Murdered, They Should Be Able To Promote It At School?

If the Bible truly calls for gays to be put to death, then don’t public school students have the right to wear t-shirts to class that simply repeats the Scripture? Yes, says faulty thinker Jerry Moore, in perhaps the dumbest argument in favor of “Straight Pride” shirts yet.

When a handful of teens showed up to St. Charles North High School in Illinois wearing “Straight Pride” shirts (“If a man lay with a male as those who lay with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and shall surely be put to death,” was written on the back), they were told by administrators to cross out the offending Biblical passages with marker. They complied, and the next day a different set of students wore homemade “Straight Pride” shirts, sans Bible verses.

But barring kids from wearing shirts with Christ’s alleged teachings on them is an infringement of their religious freedoms, argues Moore, the opinions editor for Suburban Life Publications in Chicago.

 

Three students at the high school wore T-shirts Nov. 8 with “Straight Pride” on the front. The shirts also had the biblical passage Leviticus 20:13 on the back, declaring that people who engage in homosexual activity should be put to death. That’s pretty strong stuff, but it is what the Bible teaches. If these students believe in the Bible, they have every right to promote death for gays.

Which is akin to saying that if students believe some random fairy tale that says Jews — or blacks, or women, or puppy dogs — deserve to be slaughtered, that too is protected speech.

It is not. And Moore winds up his haphazard argument without really concluding one way or another whether Biblical teaching can qualify as prohibited speech.

Is it hate speech? Well, wishing to see someone’s life extinguished isn’t very compassionate. It depends on the students’ motives in conveying this message. But is hate speech protected under the U.S. Constitution? Very much so –– as long as you don’t incite or threaten violence, it’s considered free speech.

Also true. But missing from Moore’s argument is standing precedent that allows students’ First Amendment rights to be infringed if their activities inhibit the normal activities of a school. Saying your classmates deserve to be executed surely qualifies as problematic.

By:           Max Simon
On:           Nov 23, 2010
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  • 26 Comments
    • Nick
      Nick

      That person looks like a FTM tranny.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dino
      Dino

      @Nick: And you’re using that as insult? Nice.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tallskin2
      tallskin2

      LOL what wonderful spurious logic. In fact it’s typical of sky pixie worshipping logic really.

      If you can believe in an invisible friend up there in the sky then you can believe any old shit.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Marc
      Marc

      I’d like to see these smug, brave students wear a shirt with quotes from Leviticus 25 that justifies slavery, perhaps to Lake Clifton High School in Baltimore, MD? Or to John Jay High School in Brooklyn?

      Chicken-shit, spineless Christians. They only demonize gays because they know gays wont just haul off and whoop their ass (a situation I’d like to see change–that would probably stop the bullying pretty fast).

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tyler
      Tyler

      Look, I’m gay and I believe homophobes and those against gay marriage are dumbasses. I’m also an atheist. However, we have religious freedom in this country, and our constitution indirectly gives everybody the right to be a dumbass.

      Are “straight pride” shirts ignorant? Yes.
      Are they rude and hypocritical? Yes.
      Should students be allowed to wear them? No matter how much I disagree with them, the answer is still yes.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • prohomo
      prohomo

      Hey Porky, slim down that holy temple of a body because gluttony is a serious sin. Idiot.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cung Vo
      Cung Vo

      Believing in bible is private life of christian, there are a lot more people out there do not believe in what bible said. Christian can not use his private life to force others to death.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      I THINK WE NEED TO READ THE ARTICLE PEOPLE!

      If we all took the time to read Mr. Moore’s article, we would see he is mocking those students who wore the Straight Pride shirts.

      He started the article like this:

      Civility be damned, some Illinois students were determined to promote God’s word.

      He then quotes the Bible numerous times showing that kids who rebel against their parents must be executed, and those who mock their parents should have their eyes plucked out. Women who are not virgins and get married, should be killed, along with the men who deflowered those women.

      He’s ridiculing those students for their decision to selectively advocate Biblical teachings.

      He ends the article like this:

      Wow, that’s a lot of T-shirts. The question is do they share such warnings with gay people only? Aren’t there others who need to repent?

      He’s clearly on our side on this issue.

      I’m sorry, Queerty, but you got this way wrong.

      And to the people getting angry at Moore, don’t you know by now you should not take Queerty’s word on anything, before reading the linked article yourself?

      Normally I’m the first person to trash anyone who denounces us. But Jerry Moore has done an excellent job of trashing those dumb kids, and their anti-gay agenda

      Nov 23, 2010 at 4:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      Their religeon is irrelevent. Mind altering drugs are illegal in the U.S. as is beating your wife or children, as is female circumcision, as is stoning people to death. All of those are supported by various religeons.

      I’m sick to death of everybody ignoring what is in 90% of their religeons and then screaming that their bigotry is ok because their religeon says so. I’m sorry, but until I see them wearing shirts with “Don’t eat shellfish” and “Non-mixing of natural fibers pride” I’m not going to believe that any of this other B.S. is just them finding an excuse for their bigotry.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 6:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ImperialEagle
      ImperialEagle

      Oh, this crap goes on everywhere.
      I got this off of todays BBC:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11808658

      And, of course, if the Saudi’s are doing it, it must be right—————–. Makes me sick.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 8:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Charlie
      Charlie

      I think if straight folks want to have straight pride day then I’m all for it… just leave the bible verses about stoning us out. Honestly, live it up, be loud and open about your hetero goodness and dance and drink in the sun – we do it and we love it. Just make it about you not us.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 8:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TampaZeke
      TampaZeke

      @Cam, and MALE circumcision.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 8:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontwant2bpoliticallycorrect
      dontwant2bpoliticallycorrect

      @ Mr. Enemabag Jones …thanks for pointing out that we all need to read the actually article…Shame on u Queerty…the first rule of jouralism is to get the fact correct….you FAIL…you own this man an agology because he can SUE your ass off.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 10:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DR
      DR

      co-sign. queerty clearly missed the sarcasm.

      Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      “Straight Pride?” If they want to capitalize off of “Gay Pride,” it’s OK by me. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

      Nov 24, 2010 at 12:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      Another self loathing closet case….big surprise…

      Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Andreusz
      Andreusz

      @Tyler: Freedom of speech is important, but (in my opinion) it does not include the right ot threaten or advocate violence. So people should not be allowed to quote those passages from the Bible.

      Nov 24, 2010 at 2:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Blake J
      Blake J

      @Charlie: Well said. This whole “straight pride” bullshit is not about raising them up, but putting us down.

      Nov 24, 2010 at 11:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Blake J
      Blake J

      @Michael: Straight people rarely have original ideas. They steal almost everything from us and usually lower its quality.

      Nov 24, 2010 at 11:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • prohomo
      prohomo

      @Cam: You got that right,CAM!!

      Nov 24, 2010 at 11:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queer Supremacist
      Queer Supremacist

      “Straight” Pride? That’s like being proud to be the director of Ishtar.

      @Marc: They only demonize gays because they know gays wont just haul off and whoop their ass (a situation I’d like to see change–that would probably stop the bullying pretty fast).

      It’s just a matter of time as far as I’m concerned.

      Nov 24, 2010 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      This episode is another argument for requiring all students to wear uniforms.

      Nov 25, 2010 at 3:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steven
      Steven

      The article referred to is not advocating these student’s vile behavior, and is actually making some very good points about cherry picking bible thinkers. Wit all off the real enemies we have out there, don’t you think we should be more careful not to attack our allies?

      Nov 29, 2010 at 1:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joann Prinzivalli
      Joann Prinzivalli

      The Christianists really do not understand the real meaning of Leviticus 20:13. While the specific act “lying with a man” seems to refer to something some gay men might do sexually with each other, it’s the “as with a woman” part that clearly takes it out of the realm of a loving gay relationship, and places it clearly in the repugnant, disrespectful, misogynistic and inhospitable act of anal rape, often practiced in the ancient Near East by victorious armies on their enemies, to show that the enemies were “less than women” in their eyes. It was also the sin of the Men of Sodom – wh, contrary to Christianist interpretation, were not gay, but were rather “macho” type men.

      In situations where it was visitors who were about to be raped, the men of the town could sometimes be bought off if the womenfolk of the household were turned over to them (There is a parallel story to the Sodom story in Judges, where this actually takes place. In the Sodom story, Lot was about to turn his virgin daughters to the crowd, but was pulled back in to the house by his visitors.)

      The inability of Christianists to do a proper scriptural exegesis really makes it difficult for them to have any credibility – if they cannot read or understand their own Bible, and they continue to use the Bible as a tool to oppress people they feat and loathe, how will they ever avoid being “numbered among the goats” on the Day of Judgment?

      Dec 2, 2010 at 12:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • prohomo
      prohomo

      @Joann Prinzivalli: Thank you for that excellent post, Joann.

      Dec 3, 2010 at 3:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree
      Jeffree

      Funny how people quoting the Buy-Bull forget the parts about how sl@ves should behave and how Jesus spoke out about adultery.

      Dec 3, 2010 at 6:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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