You would be hard pressed to compare the lives and freedoms enjoyed by gays in Israel to those in the Palestinian territories. From Wikipedia: “Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Cyprus are the only countries in the Middle East where homosexuality between consenting adults in private is not illegal and homosexuals are not persecuted under law. In most other Middle Eastern countries homosexuality is illegal, often punishable by flogging and even hanging. Israel was the first country in Asia where homosexuals were protected by anti-discrimination laws, and remains the only country in the Middle East to provide such legal protection.”

Furthermore Tel Aviv is a akin to New York and San Francisco in terms of gay populations and gay culture.

The fact that you responded like a year after this conversation ended should have stopped me from responding, but I didn’t want you to get the last word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTV2QmS-FQ

Lucas is an indoctrinated colonialist idiot, but I can’t necessarily blame him 100% for having this view, most people in the US and Israel are indoctrinated into this belief system.

There have been human rights groups from B’Tselem to Amnesty International to Human Rights Watch which all condemn Israel (and US-supported) terrorism, as well as Palestinian violence. But the facts are that Palestinians have suffered much more than Israelis have. The United Nations recently declared, twice, that every single settlement which Israel puts up is illegal, but Natenyahu heaps embarrassment upon the UN, as does the US. Israel does not want a two-state solution. They want all the Palestine to be destroyed, which equals genocide.

Neturei Karta is a Jewish organization against Zionism, are they anti-Semitic? Are Jewish authors like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein anti-Semitic, or just self-hating Jews or, perhaps “sandnigger-lovers”? What about the substantial evidence that genetically Palestinians (who are indigenous unlike many Israelis) are more Semitic than Israeli citizens?

I certainly hope that before Israel enacts a Final Solution of some sort (which is not an irrational question especially considering the massacre of Gaza recently), gays, who are not inherently “queer”, can snap to their senses and stop these atrocities.

Lucas’ support for Israeli policy is ipso facto how being gay ? queer. Queer means valuing life, challenging all oppression and critical thought beyond even the best-disguised, grossly self-interested.

Why is the reality of Jewish persecution everywhere they went hard to swallow?

No way. I spend my vacation time in pleasant locales, not repressive shitholes. You, on the other hand, ought to be out in the fields, helping Fiedel’s comrades bring in the banana crop.

But back to god: do muslims not believe that Israel is theirs?
Last time I checked the HAMAS charter clearly says so.

You are missing the point of my “Queers for Palestine?” article.

LGBT organizations are not known to fight for causes other than our own. Have you ever heard of “Gays against genocide in Congo”, where millions have been slaughtered? Or “Gays against Chavez” who has dismantled democracy in Venezuela? Or “Gays for North Korea” where hunger and occasional mass starvation are endemic?

Of course not. So it’s quite a coincidence that out of all the possible causes in this world there is a gay group fighting the “occupation” of homophobic Palestine.

Wouldn’t it be more logical to fight for the rights of gays in Palestine? Where the only option for a gay person is either to flee to Israel or London or Paris — or face horrible death! But no — that issue goes unspoken as do the killings of thousands of gay people throughout the world of Islam. So what other explanation is there for this than rank anti-Semitism? Enough with the bullshit. Give me the name of one LGBT organization other than “Queers for Palestine” that fights for any human rights agenda other than a gay one. NONE. So no coincidence here. This organization was created out of purely anti-Semitic feelings.

It’s really sad that neither you nor many of your readers get this basic point. And because of the tone and nature of your postings, your site attracts the worst of the gay community.

The bulk of the comments that your article has generated prove my point. I’m sorry to say this, but the majority of your readers are an uneducated, disgusting, anti-Semitic bunch of lunatics that made the good word “liberal” equivalent to delusional.

A better analogy would have been if after the US defeated and occupied Japan it had brought in 15 million heavily armed extremist settlers (20% of the population) to subjugate and humiliate the population. Would anyone argue that’s reasonable? That’s what Israeli apologists do every day.

Unless you marry a Palestinian. Actually, they technically will recognize it, but your spouse will not be permitted to join you in Israel. However, your children can remain in Israel! Oh, but only until they reach the age of 12, at which time they will be forced to emigrate from the only country they have ever known. What an enlightened country!!!

If you get married in a foreign country or state that allows same-sex marriage, Israel will recognize it! In other words, along with its anti-discrimination laws and continuos commitment to LGBT rights in the UN, Israel is the 8th most progressive nation concerning gay rights.

In Gaza Strip, homosexuality remains illegal, and in both territories, death squads frequently kill anyone perceived to be homosexual.

And if Israel is somehow wrong for defending their territory against unjust attacks, I guess the US should have stayed the fuck away from Japan after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

And let me share some interesting poll results with you:

62% of Israelis support same-sex marriage and 60% support same-sex adoption.
In the Palestinian Territories, only THREE PERCENT find homosexuality to be moral!

Lucas needs to shut the fuck up -

Simple, but so many fail to understand that.

Although I’m proud to be a commie cocksucker I wouldn’t visit there any more than I’d visit the GLBT center in Tel Aviv. Too dangerous. Racist islamophobic jackasses like you don’t want to admit it but the homohating of all three abrahamic religions is a threat to GLBT folk.

You on the other hand might want to go to a meeting of Iranian workers or students after one of their demos in Teheran and tell them you want to seem them burned to death in a nuclear attack. Just don’t assume there would be much left to bury.

I’m a socialist and like most Democrats, you’re a Republican in drag. I’m against racism and colonialism, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. You embrace them.

But I do agree that it’s doesn’t do any good trying to educate rightwing sheep. It just irritates them and they go right on being sheep.

stay in Europe?
you might find this shocking but Jews might not want to be a minority in every place that they live

I guess its really too much to ask for especially after the centuries of pogroms and expulsions not to mention the ethnic cleansing of millions, right?

And what’s the reason for the settlements? Is moving huge numbers of armed extremist settlers into an occupied area not a deliberate provocation? How does that in any way serve the interests of peace?

Ever looked at a map of Palestinian controlled areas of the West Bank? The West Bank is already a rump state, but even the rump state has been turned into Swiss cheese, with only a small area for the Palestinians, and the rest given over to illegal settlements. Actions speak louder than words, and Israel’s actions show that their Palestinian policy is little more than a land grab.

To rework the famous Golda Meir quote: There will be peace only when Israelis love their children more than they love Palestinian land.

That statement alone (aside from your blatant anti-semitism) would render anything you say null and void. Dude, whatever hassles and attacks the Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza are enduring, it is not commensurate with the Jews in the early 1940s in Eastern Europe.