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In A Parallel Universe, Ted Haggard Exposes The Brainwashing At Christian Colleges

No, really! Though he’s en route to a television career, what Ted Haggard really wanted to be is a journalist, but instead of going off to some fancy j-school he went to Oral Roberts University at the behest of his father, who tempted him with a free Pontiac LeMans coupe. So he took his pops up on his offer, with the nefarious goal of writing an expose on Christian colleges. Never happened, but we can dream, can’t we? Now, other secrets from Kevin Roose’s GQ profile of the pastor.

• He would identify as bisexual if he weren’t middle-aged. And a Bible-thumper. “‘I think that probably, if I were 21 in this society, I would identify myself as a bisexual.’ After a weekend of Ted trying to convince me of his unambiguous devotion to his wife and kids, I’m at first too surprised to say anything. ‘So why not now?’ I ask finally. ‘Because, Kevin, I’m 54, with children, with a belief system, and I can have enforced boundaries in my life. Just like you’re a heterosexual but you don’t have sex with every woman that you’re attracted to, so I can be who I am and exclusively have sex with my wife and be perfectly satisfied.’ ‘But what does it have to do with being 54?’ ‘Life!’ he says. ‘We live an ordinary life.'”

• He is self-deprecating. “Ted is a goofily handsome man with sandy-colored hair that he parts on the side like a 1950s school principal. Even when he’s the loudest in the room, as is often the case, he’s good at creating a quick intimacy, addressing you by name and readily poking fun at himself. ‘Kevin, you just have to promise to write about my dashing style,’ he jokes as we load up the car, glancing down at his too-big New York Giants hoodie and dad jeans.”

• He is misunderstood. “He says that despite popular perception, he was never a right-wing power broker in the vein of Jerry Falwell. His reported weekly chats with George W. Bush were usually just briefings with low-level White House staff. He was never a homophobe, either, he says, and though he supported a 2006 amendment outlawing gay marriage in Colorado, he was also in favor of a ballot measure that would have extended domestic-partner benefits to same-sex couples.”

• He did not fuck that meth escort. “‘We never had sex sex,’ he says, glancing at the car to make sure that [his sons] Elliott and Jonathan are asleep. ‘I bought drugs and a massage from him, and he masturbated me at the end of it. That’s it.'” (NB: Jones’ version remains different: “He can call it whatever he wants, but… please.” And Grant Haas, a former New Life volunteer who claims Haggard offered him drugs and jerked off in front of him on a church trip in 2006, might think otherwise.)

• He doesn’t have a rosy view of the world. “‘You’ve got to understand, Kevin, people are, at their cores, hateful,’ he says, rising to stamp out the fire’s embers and go to bed. ‘I don’t want to believe that, but the facts have prevailed over my idealism.'” (That’s not what his wife Gayle wants readers to walk away with: “Gayle, who has always been more careful around reporters than Ted, heard that he was in one of his moods up in the mountains, and she’s worried that I’m going to write that he’s a manic-depressive loon. I assure her that I’m not. ‘Oh, good,’ she says, sounding genuinely relieved. ‘I know how he can get.'”)

• He might still be watching gay porn. “You know, that’s really the core issue here,’ he continues, lowering his voice. ‘I bought the drugs to enhance masturbation. Because what crystal meth does—Mike taught me this—crystal meth makes it so you don’t ejaculate soon. So you can watch porn and masturbate for a long time.’ ‘And it would be gay porn?’ I ask. ‘It would be both. I enjoyed both then.’ ‘Do you watch porn anymore?’ ‘Now we’re getting into what should happen between me, my wife, and my therapist.'”

By:           Ryan Tedder
On:           Jan 26, 2011
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  • 58 Comments
    • randy
      randy

      Ugh! Bisexual my ass. He’s buy-sexual

      Jan 26, 2011 at 3:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • divkid
      divkid

      gay, bi, who cares.

      the only label i’d like to see applied to him would be attached to his toe.
      just sayin’.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 4:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Many, many men are like Ted. That is, they are naturally bisexually-oriented but philosophically straight-behaving. This is an extremely common state of mind within most men who identify as straight.

      Don’t underestimate the power and prevalence of this philosophy. It’s reflected in the fact that many people consider homosexuality a choice. This choice notion reflects the correct view that sexual behavior can be controlled to avoid one gender but it also reflects a failure of refinement of what one is actually referring to.

      That is, if, by “homosexuality”, you mean the automatic feelings that come to you (ie orientation), then it is clearly not a choice. However, if, by “homosexuality”, you mean the behavior which you choose to execute, then it is clearly something that can be controlled by choice.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 4:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Teyshan
      Teyshan

      Ditto what Jason said.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Harbo
      Harbo

      This man is clearly delusional. After all this time he’s still trying to explaine away his relationship with a male prostitute. As if anybody cared. Male prostitues serve a noble purpose. Lying Bible-thumpers do not.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 5:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tyler Low
      Tyler Low

      I’d do him. He’s hot!

      Jan 26, 2011 at 5:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ted
      Ted

      He just comes off as….creepy.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 5:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Andy
      Andy

      @jason: Yeah. It seems there’s a clear difference between men who are gay and men like Haggard. Gay men tend to be more or less effeminate and know from an early age that they’re different.

      Men like Haggard are like other men… that’s the point. Culture keeps the same-sex attractions for them usually under wraps. 11 out of 12 Roman emperors felt the same way…

      Jan 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Anne
      Anne

      How come I know too much, about too much?

      He is telling the truth people. When you…yes YOU….tell some truth about YOURSELF, you will be MORTIFIED about what you tell.

      He’s a human being. They crucified JESUS and he was perfect right? Someone like Ted…he has no chance. Neither do I. Neither do you.

      He is WHO HE IS. He loves his family. He fucked up. The end. The rest is theirs.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 9:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dame Helga von Ornstein
      Dame Helga von Ornstein

      Every time I see this guy I think back to what I always wondered about Mr. Rodgers (the pervert looking guy who had the kid show for years) and say no more for arguments sake.

      Barnaby was another one I always wondered about too. And no kiddies, I am not referring to the Barnaby of “Hello, Dolly”. He (Barnaby) was another creepy looking (and sounding) kid show tv host.

      As for Ted here I say this: Queen, live well off of all that you managed to syphon from the coffers. Why you have not filed for bankruptcy or lowered your living standards make me wonder how much you stashed away. “Praise the lord” your ass, queen. There are plenty who see through you and the whole slew of other bible pimps, race be damned.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 9:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aaron
      Aaron

      That’s good that he would identify as Bisexual, because that’s what he is. That’s bad that he just doesn’t do it anyway, though, of course.

      And to the first poster: wishing him dead because he’s christian? Wow, so not hypocritical, eh?

      I am scared to read the comments that might be made on the GQ article itself. Especially if the media picks up on it, because then they’ll probably bring on some “expert” (a.k.a. that scientist who “disproved” bisexuality in men a few years back, the one that NYT adored, but basically every other psychologist and scientist disagreed with) to tell him how he’s completely in denial is 100% wrong. It’s really sad that we live in a society that no matter if a man has a wife and kids and has had sex with numerous women, once he has sex with a guy he’s gay and in denial and not the most obvious thing…. bisexual.

      Jan 26, 2011 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mikey
      mikey

      @Aaron: Right on! If it were a woman, it would be ok if she were bi. Double standards!!!

      Jan 27, 2011 at 12:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robbie K
      Robbie K

      Ummm Mike called he wants the happy ending back.
      I can’t wait for the next installment of these wack job bible thumpers.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 1:09 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Our ancestors knew that most men were bisexually oriented and that the same-sex side of their orientation would ultimately yield to the promiscuity paradigm in terms of their behavior.

      This yielding to promiscuity is due to the fact that men have powerful sex drives. When combined in the form of men seeking men, these drives produced an indulgent culture that was rife with venereal diseases. In those days, there was no such thing as penicillin, and venereal diseases were highly feared.

      This partly explains why the social stigma against male-male sexuality developed over the years, and to a far greater extent than the stigma against female-female sexuality. Females do not have the same powerful sex drive as men, and tend to be relatively passive in their sexual seeking. There was less to fear from female-female sexuality because it did not yield to the promiscuity paradigm.

      Women were also never considered truly sexual because their bodies do not produce an erection and there is no link between arousal and delivery as there is in men. Keep in mind that a man’s delivery of his gametes is directly the result of his arousal. A woman, on the other hand, delivers her gametes once a month regardless of whether she is aroused or not.

      The stigma against male bisexuality also derives from the fear that women have that their husbands will stray with another man. Many women might not admit it but it’s always at the back of their heads. Women fear the powerful sexuality of men. They fear it even more when it’s combined in the form of men seeking men.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 8:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      Sounds like a term such as Straight Man w Benefits might fit the brown oxfords w rainbow tie swath of male sexual culture.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 11:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • NY152
      NY152

      See how ignorant society really is?! This guy oozes gay on every level! On top of that, he is just eerie and gives me the creeps big time! He seriously is a total whack job and yet people will run to their televisions to watch him. Keep it up people, he is laughing all the way to the church bank because you’re making him rich!

      Jan 27, 2011 at 11:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @NY152

      I hear ya. Part of the attraction I think, also has to do with people wanting him to smack that one last nail in his coffin by being caught in his mouth on cock / white powder on nose party boy scene, or more aptly named, The Real Ted Haggard Show.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 11:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nathan
      Nathan

      Very sad. It just goes to show what religious indoctrination can do to a person. Ted Haggard hates himself and lives a miserable life in denial, doing meth and masturbating to porn is the closest to legitimate intimacy he can get. It doesn’t excuse what he does to the LGBT community, however. I hope in his life he can come to grips with his own sexuality and live honestly.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 2:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Max Campbell
      Max Campbell

      http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292247

      Most men are bi-curious!

      Jan 27, 2011 at 2:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @Max

      Thx for posting this. It would be a good article for Queerty to print. It’s great!

      Jan 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree
      Jeffree

      @NY152: Ted’s not on TV anymore. He holds his church services in a school, and from the GQ article it sounds like he’s mostly preaching to the down-and-out who need help paying gas bills and getting cars repaired.

      I’m def not saying he’s a hero, but just that he’s been humbled and seen some of the truth about unforgiving the Megachurches can be even to their own ex-leaders.

      I still only believe a small percent of what he says, but I doubt he’ll be running a big $ organization anytime soon.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 3:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ethan
      Ethan

      Very interesting, thanks for that @Max Campbell

      As a bi male, I’m not at all surprised that many gays have more of a problem with the concept of bisexuality. I’ve been called “dirty”, “confused”, and a “closet case” more times than I care to admit, with a huge chunk of those comments coming from gay men. It seems like a lot of people tend to project their relationship insecurities onto bisexuals, and I get so pissed when “bi” men/women end up fulfilling those stereotypes!

      I’m aware that homophobia and heterosexism play a big role in the way we LGB folk deal with our baggage and self-loathing, but it feels like it’s twice as worse for bisexuals. Having your identity constantly scrutinized (when it’s not being outright dismissed) by both straights and gays is overwhelming, sometimes.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 6:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Philip
      Philip

      At what point do we, as a society, take our collective heads out of our collective asses and just let people be what they are?

      I suppose the answer to that is when we stop beating each other over the head with our buy-bulls.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 6:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Blackmattachine
      Blackmattachine

      What does “gay” mean to you? Does it mean the same thing it means to me? Does it mean the same thing to your best friend?
      What does “bisexual” mean to you? Does it mean the same thing it means to me? Does it mean the same thing to your best friend?
      What does “straight” mean to you? Does it mean the same thing it means to me? Does it mean the same thing to your best friend?
      My point is they are merely labels we use to try to make sense of what we see and feel. Sometimes I say I am gay. To others who may be more nuanced I say I am bisexual. At other times I say I am as straight as you are. Everyone hears what they want to hear, or are capable of understanding.
      If I could be any other animal, I would not be a chimp, I would be a bonobo.

      Jan 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      He can be a has been wishing he was a 21 year old bi-sexual. Sounds reasonable to me.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 1:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ProfessorVP
      ProfessorVP

      @NY152: You are correct, he is gay. Not bi. Naturally, I’ll get flack for saying it, but women tend toward bisexuality, they are fluid, it is their nature to sit on the fence, so to speak. Now here’s the shocking non-PC part: men are different from women. GASP. Men pick one side, and pick it early, and stick to it. That anyone would confuse Ted for straight is pretty silly, but it is equally naive to confuse him for bisexual. I’ve been around the block, to put it mildly. Every man I’ve ever met who claimed to be bi has been gay. Let’s put it this way: if you need to have sex with a woman in total darkness, thinking of Eddie Cibrian, yes, you can manage to procreate. But it doesn’t make you straight, or even qualify for the halfway house of bi.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 2:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • divkid
      divkid

      @ProfessorVP:what if you identify as a kinsey 4 and privately jack of to het porn of solo girl playing with her pussy. what psycho-sexual truth can you pick outa that slimy conundrum ah dr freud! go on then fucking genius?

      [in case my ma reads this, that example is *not* me. nooooo.]

      Jan 28, 2011 at 4:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • divkid
      divkid

      @ProfessorVP:what if you identify as a kinsey 4 and privately jack of to het porn of solo girl playing with her p*ssy. what psycho-sexual truth can you pick outa that slimy conundrum ah dr freud! go on then fucking genius?

      [in case my ma reads this, that example is *not* me. nooooo.]

      Jan 28, 2011 at 4:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason [Different person #1 using similar name]

      Note, also, how gay men seem to have more of a problem with male bisexuality than with female bisexuality. I think this proves that gay men have a double standard. It also proves that gay men lack principles.

      I personally oppose fake female bisexuality and females who use their so-called bisexuality as a marketing ploy to appeal to men who hate gay guys. It’s a perfectly reasonable opposition. It’s an informed opposition, not a prejudicial one.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 6:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • thematics
      thematics

      @ProfessorVP:: Why is it un-PC to state that “men are different from women”? Why do you act as if the “fluidity” of women’s sexuality is a secret? (It’s not.)
      Why do you pretend to be so much better informed than everyone else?

      No need to answer. You’re on an ego trip and won’t be able to respond until you land back in the real world. We’ll wait.

      I do look so forward to your next lecture wherein you unlock the hidden mysteries of polyamory and cuckolding. And why you didn’t get tenure. And why Eddie Cibrian of — all people — helps some men to attain the big O and I don’t mean Oprah.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 6:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aaron
      Aaron

      @ProfessorVP: Oh, ok, thanks professor. By you’re logic, men choose our sexuality, therefor I’m sure if we work really hard, digging into our subconscious, we can all be turned straight! Now, please provide to me the numerous medical journals that prove your theory, and not the numerous ones that prove male bisexuality?

      Jan 28, 2011 at 6:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      ProfessorVP says “men pic 1 side and pick it early and stick to it” So not true. I hear the monkees laughing in the trees.

      Sounds the same as the creative baseless junk science the right wing uses.

      Professor wannabe maybe, but a true scholar not a chance.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 7:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joey O'H
      Joey O'H

      Men like Haggard are always creeping around the park behind the trees and bushes. He is too creepy.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 8:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      I can’t read this any more. I’m going to have “sex sex” now.

      As every good bible-thumper knows, it doesn’t count as sex if you don’t know the partner’s last name or you have your feet on the floor.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 8:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      Yeh. Teds creep factor is off the charts. Maybe he’s 1 of those Men in Black aliens.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 8:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mikey
      mikey

      @ProfessorVP: oh ya! and i bet you’re an expert on human sexuality?

      Jan 28, 2011 at 9:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ProfessorVP
      ProfessorVP

      When I say males “pick” one side, I didn’t mean sexuality is deliberately chosen. It just works out that way. Testing of men who claimed to be bisexual- showing attractive naked males and females- showed that pee-pees got erect only when viewing males, not females. But this is something I knew long before that, and I’m not alone. When you tell people things they don’t like to know, they get into an old-fashioned tizzy and their world is rocked. Like saying our two current wars are phony
      oil and mineral grabs. That our kids die for plain ol’ money.
      But the truth, even when unpleasant-sounding, is always better than fantasy. The concept that bisexual men almost never exist doesn’t sound warm and fuzzy, but yes, kids, male bisexuals are really gays who have a major problem applying the G-word to themselves. The problem isn’t me, but the stigma attached to being out as gay, especially in a theocracy like the United States. A gay man saying he is bi is an attempt to make himself more acceptable, less an object of derision, lower in the food chain than straight, but higher than gay. At one time, Elton John and George Michael said they were bi. Eventually, as they became more secure, they spoke the truth. Anyone who buys into Ted’s bisexuality claims is naive, which is no crime, but also putting truth to nonsense is also no crime. At least, it shouldn’t be.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 9:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @UnProfessorVP

      I know many guys that get it up for both sexes. You are not identifying any studies or stats. And if you did, they would be wrong if that black and white thinking you employ were present. Until then give bi people a break, they’ve suffered enough from your brand of sweeping statement religion. It’s vile and invaded and you are an alarmist. Drop the drama and get a life, not every guy who sucks cock is just like you.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 10:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ProfessorVP
      ProfessorVP

      Here’s an interesting study, but get your smelling salts ready:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/health/05sex.html

      It’s nonsense to say bisexual men, as a group, have suffered enough, because you have to really exist before suffering.

      Actually, two things I don’t care for are, not necessarily in this order, cocksucking and drama. But it’s not about me. Listen, it is the progressive point of view to address reality and urge people to stop lying both to themselves and to others, and to urge society, whenever possible, to accept everyone. Gay men, lesbians, bisexual women, and transgender. These are the groups people fall into. And anyone who says “don’t label people” again, falls into the trap of the same old creaky, traditional public relations speak. To say what you truly are should be one’s right, and one’s pride. That’s what should be encouraged. People need to accept reality and accept each other. There is no possible way in hell that Ted Haggard feels any attraction to women. To think otherwise is to disbelieve your eyes and ears, and ignore plain old logic. Yes, yes… I am a horrible person. The issue is me, and my terrible screen name.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 10:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @UnProfessorVP

      Did you really mean to fall on your own sword with that New York Times article? My God, it’s not even 8am here on the West coast.

      Your rhetoric is like Jerry Falwell saying that all gay people are child molesters. All or nothing thinking, my way or the highway.

      Now if you had read your article more clearly, you would have noticed that it is much more fluid in its approach and not so polarizing such as yourself.

      First off, there were only 101 participants in the study. That alone renders it suspect. 2) 3/4 of bisexual men who viewed gay porn did not become aroused, the other 1/4 did. That alone shoots down your all or nothing “transition or just can’t say the “g” word theory. It indicates there are bisexual men. 3) The article addresses mindsets like yours as railroading bisexuals into thinking they are in transition to becoming totally gay. That is very damaging and a therapist should be sued if they ever practice such bilk. 4)1/3 of all participants did not find any of the movies to arouse them at all. I found that alone an interesting stat.

      TSo I say this study is bilk. There are alot of gay porn movies i can watch and not get aroused, it has to be my type of guys. Did the guys get to pick their own movies or specify their type? Maybe the str8 movies were more to their liking, and maybe just maybe, the guys in the str8 movies were so hot, they popped on that.

      Be that as it may, the article suggest it is still a very very gray area, so please, umm Jerry, think about getting a bit more flexible. You’re why bisexuals are attacked diced and spliced.

      It’s not pleasurable when the religious right does it to us, and it surely isn’t right when we do it to bisexuals.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 11:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      Ps. Out of 101 people, only 33-34 were bisexual, the rest str8 and gay. Can we base all bisexuals on 33-34 bisexuals’ experience with unexplained details about techiques used?NO.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 11:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      Edited version

      @UnProfessorVP

      Did you really mean to fall on your own sword with that New York Times article? My God, it’s not even 8am here on the West coast.

      Your rhetoric is like Jerry Falwell saying that all gay people are child molesters. All or nothing thinking, my way or the highway.

      Now if you had read your article more clearly, you would have noticed that it is much more fluid in its approach and not so polarizing such as yourself.

      First off, there were only 101 participants in the study. That alone renders it suspect. 2) 1/4 of the bisexuals(8-9)were indistinguishable from heterosexuals and 3/4 acted like gay men aroused by homosexual movies which makes the movies they were viewing suspect 3) The article addresses mindsets like yours as railroading bisexuals into thinking they are in transition to becoming totally gay. That is very damaging and a therapist should be sued if they ever practice such bilk. 4)1/3 of all participants did not find any of the movies to arouse them at all. I found that alone an interesting stat.

      TSo I say this study is bilk. There are alot of gay porn movies i can watch and not get aroused, it has to be my type of guys. Did the guys get to pick their own movies or specify their type? Maybe the str8 movies were more to their liking, and maybe just maybe, the guys in the str8 movies were so hot, they popped on that.

      Be that as it may, the article suggest it is still a very very gray area, so please, umm Jerry, think about getting a bit more flexible. You’re why bisexuals are attacked diced and spliced.

      It’s not pleasurable when the religious right does it to us, and it surely isn’t right when we do it to bisexuals.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @ProfessorVP

      Pardon me if I sound a bit snarky, however, being a victim of religious ignorance, ignorance of any kind is a hot button for me, and rightly so.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 12:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ProfessorVP
      ProfessorVP

      I am posting too much, and you are posting WAY too much, so I’ll end it here. I am an old-fashioned East Coast leftie progressive, sort of the anti-Falwell. Because you don’t like the truth I speak, you pick someone loathesome, and connect the breadcrumbs between me and him. It is a somewhat complex issue, and not everyone is politically-oriented, or gets a grasp on complex social issues. The issue is 100% pure politics– the food chain, the power chain. People don’t like being on the bottom. Gays are on the bottom, the only group it is still fashionable to dislike. And so there is the temptation to re-brand onseself. But it is counterproductive, and fools almost nobody eventually.

      The study was not the first, it mentions previous work done earlier that yielded the same result. Very few studies are perfect, including those mentioned, but I but I actually didn’t need a study to know the when men say they are bisexual, they do it out of pressure. When you bring up the issue of child molesters, you fall into the very trap a lot of gay men try to avoid: shame, stigma, and defamation. That is why, intentionally or not, child molestation came to your mind. Even though you are gay, you quickly associate homosexuality with child molestation. I couldn’t have explained the problem better myself. To refrain from using the word “Gay” and substituting it with “Bi,” it can- if you can successfully win people over to that- take some of the pressure off. But that doesn’t address the real problem, it’s just a scam. A better thing to accomplish would be to be genuinely out, and fostering more understanding between the different categories. The kids have it right when they start “Gay-Straight Alliances” in high schools, and I wish there were such things for adults. Mutual understanding, abolishing defamation, creating more civility– those are the things that should bring together straight men, lesbians, bisexual women and transgenders. Attempting to fool oneself and others with the claim of male bisexuality is an ancient fix, archaeic, a very old scam of hiding in plain sight, that doesn’t address the real problem, and in the end, accomplishes nothing.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 3:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aaron
      Aaron

      @ProfessorVP: Good lord…. where I do I even begin? I’m sure doing this will do nothing, since you already sound too far gone to even help, but I’ll do my best.

      First off, that “study” you linked has been widely criticized, and the majority of the psychological and scientific community have found it to be wildly inaccurate. Don’t believe me? Go do the research yourself. The man who conducted it has pretty much been proven to be a hack- not unlike the man who published the studies linking autism and vaccines. Just because NYT prints it doesn’t make it accurate. And please, do tell me of these “other studies”, since I have plenty to back the widespread existence of male bisexuality (which I can link in another post if you wish- doing so in this comment would take up wayyyy to much room).

      Second: Has it ever occurred to you, that maybe, just maybe, the reason many Bi men end up identifying as Gay is because THEY were pressured into it and not the other way around? Because that’s more often than not been what I’ve seen. There’s such a stigma around it, from both straights and gays, it’s just easier to stop identifying as bi and just say you’re one or the other, lest we want to be hounded by such sophisticates as yourself.

      Third: An ancient fix, a very old scan of hiding in plain sight? Oh, ok, so I guess those historical Greeks, Romans, Japanese, Chinese, Celts, Native Americans and what not were just faking the male bisexuality? Or numerous people like Gore Vidal, Montgomery Clift, Marlon Brando, etc, were also faking it (despite much testimony to the contrary)? Makes total sense.

      I am out, I am proud, and I am a bisexual male. Deny it all you want, but you and others of your ilk will only alienate yourselves.

      BTW, your rhetoric reminds me of Sofia Lamb (those who immediately get that, I applaud you).

      Jan 28, 2011 at 3:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      @ProfessorVP: You need more real world experience and fewer studies.

      BTW – if you don’t like cock-sucking, why are you here?

      Jan 28, 2011 at 3:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @UnProfessorPV

      Well there you have it, Arron has let you in on the facts of life.

      Like I tell straights who get bad info about gays through rumor and bad internet coverage, if you want the real info, go talk to one!

      With people like you who are not bisexual and can’t fathom that they truly exist, and then bounce around spewing poppycock assumptions and bogus data that hurts and incites a minority, I say be still your wagging tongue, as you tell of your ignorance far too easy.

      Jan 28, 2011 at 5:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Atheism like homophobia is a prejudice
      Atheism like homophobia is a prejudice

      The amount of violent atheism on this site is sickening. Why can’t you all leave this poor man and his family alone so that they have the time to heal!Unlike you atheists Christians are to magnify the glory of the cross by letting ourselves go so it can reflect in us and on us.Jesus does not require PR-new or otherwise-from human beings. His statement was made on the cross and that’s about all that goes with it.You can’t imagine for one second that there are people out there who really just love God and other people enough to tell the truth. THAT’S IGNORANCE.

      Jan 29, 2011 at 11:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Soupy
      Soupy

      The amount of violence in the world, throughout history, in the name of christianity is sickening. And you have a problem with a website?

      Jan 29, 2011 at 11:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aaron
      Aaron

      @Soupy: While I think that guy went overboard, uh, athiests have resulted in mannnnnnyyyyyy more deaths than christians. Around a 100 Million or so (Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Ceausescu, Hoxha, basically most communist Dictators. I needn’t go on.). Compare to the fact christianity executed at the most 100,000 women/men for practicing witchcraft. And that’s on the high end. So do don’t pull that “religion causes all violence especially christianity!” crap. It’s all about the person really anyway, not their ideology.

      Jan 29, 2011 at 11:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Soupy
      Soupy

      You might want to try reading more closely. “religion causes all violence especially christianity!” Did I say that? Imply that? No. Still, your count is a little low considering there are more examples than witchcraft. Ever hear of the crusades?

      Jan 30, 2011 at 10:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Soupy
      Soupy

      Does anyone believe that the primary motivation of Stalinist and other purges was to spread atheism? Really?

      Jan 30, 2011 at 10:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      I really don’t see how this discussion relates to religion or non. This is about humanity and honesty. It’s simply about “telling the truth” which Haggard did not, and he will be called to justice until he does. Put whatever religious labels you want on it if you want to fight over some sort of golf club prize about which club is “right”, there are no winners there. The only winner is truth about Ted, and he will be the only winner when he brings himself to justice. Everyone else is just the audience while Ted is the lead player. And you can throw popcorn at him until he fesses up, but each other? Useless.

      Jan 30, 2011 at 12:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JT
      JT

      This is NOT the case of someone recently accepting their sexuality or just coming out.

      There are bisexual men but Ted Haggard is not one of them.

      Professor-you’re just showing how ignorant you are when it comes to understanding male bisexuality. Gay Inc. wants to pretend that men are either “gay” or “straight” but ignores the reality that human sexuality does not work this way and that it is possible to be bisexual and male.

      I agree with Aaron I’m bisexual and people like you are no better than the “ex gay” people like Ted Haggard, conservative politicians, and “family” groups that hate all GLBT people and say we do not exist like you are doing to bisexual men.

      Jan 31, 2011 at 8:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brett
      Brett

      most men nowadays are bicurious

      Feb 1, 2011 at 9:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JT
      JT

      Says who Brett? Most people and men are straight/hetero and actually straight/hetero in that they’re not bisexual at all and don’t want or have sex with the same gender.

      Feb 1, 2011 at 1:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      This world would be a lot brighter if we all (once and for all) just did not talk about Ted Haggard or Sarah Palin.

      Feb 1, 2011 at 9:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bobby
      Bobby

      ProfessorVP is foolish. So, because some gay men initially come out as bisexual and later gay(which may or may not be the case with this asshole, Ted Haggard), this means that bisexuality is not real? Hey, a lot of gay men initially identify as straight but later find out/come out as gay; does that mean there is no such thing as straight men? Hey, if you want to diss hypocrites and hate mongers like Haggard, go for it but do not be a biphobic bigot. The LGBT community should stand together! Thank you.

      Feb 4, 2011 at 9:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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