Yeah, you stupid cunt. That has nothing to do with the constant discrimination that they experience in which they’re incessenatly being told that they’re not as good as their het counterparts by people like you? That’s a clear case of not being able to see the forest through the trees… but in reality, that’s not what it is at all. What is is a profound lack of character that causes lying and propaganda from people like you; skewing evidence to favor a predetermined conclusion. Anyway, if the shrill steady sound of bigotry hadn’t entered into the researcher’s explanation of possible causes, then that’s why it ain’t science.

Bailey said, “These studies contain arguably the best published data on the association between homosexuality and psychopathology, and both converge on the same unhappy conclusion: homosexual people are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression, and anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence…The strength of the new studies is their degree of control.”

The first study was on male twins who had served in Vietnam (Herrell et al. 1999). It concluded that on average, male homosexuals were 5.1 times more likely to exhibit suicide- related behavior or thoughts than their heterosexual counterparts. Some of this factor of 5.1 was associated with depression and substance abuse, which might or might not be related to the homosexuality. (When these two problems were factored out, the factor of 5 decreased to 2.5; still somewhat significant.) The authors believed there was an independent factor related to suicidality which was probably closely associated with some features of homosexuality itself.

The second study (Fergusson et al. 1999) followed a large New Zealand group from birth to their early twenties. The “birth cohort” method of subject selection is especially reliable and free from most of the biases which bedevil surveys. This study showed a significantly higher occurrence of depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, substance abuse and thoughts about suicide, amongst those who were homosexually active.

I have family business to attend to.

The cumulative effect of a lot of work by a lot of people is that average people are becoming supportive of equal rights. And, of course, elected officials are trying to get in front of that parade. Some LGBT “leaders” want to slow the parade down, because as soon as equal rights are won, their ability to raise money by scare tactics will be reduced.

The Governor has good political sense. He isn’t doing this to loose. Hence, he thinks it can pass. All that has to happen is a public outcry to convince a couple of fence-sitting Senators. Public outcries happen, even in New York.

I am looking forward to the mail this week — “Give $100 to _______ today, to support the Marriage-In-New-York campaign! If Marriage-In-New-York passes ….”

In the mean time, I think I might write a few letters to some New York Senators. Actual letters are far more effective than giving hundred-dollar bills to fund-raising machines.

I don’t think he meant to send that to you…

Also, just saw Colbert’s take on NOM’s gathering storm. Hilarious.

It’s crap. They know Dems are completely divided on the marriage issue. Piece of poo #1 Bloombucks, and peice of poo #2 Patterson, get to pretend that they care about “gay marriage” because they know it will not pass – thier own party won’t let it. Dems don’t care about anything they have to say when it comes to gay civil rights and they’re down the middle wtih women’s equal rights/reproductive rights, too. Both Reps and Dems want abortion to be legal and that’s the reason it is. Hence the term Republicrats – Reps/Dems same shit. If Dems cared about gay marriage as they pretend to, New York – a blue state, would have had marriage ages before Iowa – a red state. NY is full of Dems … “what have they done for me lately”? I don’t forsee it.

Thank you, Getreal, although you’re speaking to someone who is so steeped in his own private world he won’t hear you.

@getreal: You should change your name to getsdimmer by the hour. The thread I referred readers too contained your comments that gay Black men on the DL are responsible for the spread of HIV-AIDS. You’re the only one here with pedophilia on the brain. If you’d stick to the politics and control your urges to inject you christer garbage all the time people might not dismiss you as a hysterical version of the Church Lady, but as it is…

@Alec: Adult? Flinging charges of pedophilia? Saying that all her non-christian opponents are broken, like Dobson? Saying that they lust after children, like Dobson? Saying the AA men plot to spread HIV?AIDS, like Dobson?

I suppose if you fell for Obama you’d fall for that. Not very bright, but then you’re a Democrat so we won’t hold you to too high a standard.

I have no doubt that the Democrats who control the legislature are hustlers out for a buck. That makes it all the more important to pressure them with the threat of widespread demonstrations. In a period when the economy is failing and the racist war in South Asia is grinding on and on killing GIs and muslims the last thing they want to see is a community uniting to demand their rights. That’s an example of what they fear the most.

As I said, Roosevelt desegregated the armed forces and the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1944. I’m supporting your claim with GoodHistorical facts. Why are you so intolerant to GoodHistory?

@getreal: Thank you for your work on Prop 8. And no worries, we all know who the adults are, here.

Having any luck recruiting?

@Alec: more drivel. I sure there’s some silly cynical point you’re trying to make but next time try harder to be relevant.

@The Gay Numbers: you and your party are extinct becasue you and your party supprot bigots like Obama, his war and his failing economy. Ignore away, the left and the new layer of activists won’t miss you.

it sucks but that’s realpolitik not pie-in-the-sky “activism”

What inexcusably reactionary drivel. Realpolitik is the language of real dyed-in-the-wool accommodationists. Read some US history and find out how little you know about this country.

I have no doubt that the Democrats who control the legislature are hustlers out for a buck. That makes it all the more important to pressure them with the threat of widespread demonstrations. In a period when the economy is failing and the racist war in South Asia is grinding on and on killing GIs and muslims the last thing they want to see is a community uniting to demand their rights. That’s an example of what they fear the most.

Nor am I surprised that you oppose the fight for equality.

Boy, are you naive. NYState has the most disfunctional legislature of any state in the union. This is fact. The only way this will get passed is by hardball horse trading. The legislators care about one thing and one thing only: What’s in it for me?

it sucks but that’s realpolitik not pie-in-the-sky “activism.”

It’ll have a better chance of winning in NY if the campaign for it is not dependent on the goodwill of bigots and those who pander to them but is accompanied by everything from mass demonstrations to local picket lines and flooding Albany with letters and e-mails demanding passage.

A democratically run coalition with a mass action perspective to organize the fight is the first item on our agenda. The lack of that, combined with Obama’s bombshell “gawd’s in the mix” are what killed us in California.

“Gay men, it seems to me, are cluless when it comes to politics.”

I agree with you 100%.

Exactly, courage. WTF are we all afraid of? That it won’t clear the Senate? The chance that it might, or at least that we’ll know who’s who on the issue, is one we can’t afford to pass up. After all, the next governor of NY may have a veto pen at the ready like Jim Douglas.