“With marriage equality a reality and gay folks enjoying increased rights, social progressives are looking for the next cause du jour,” openly gay lawyer and author Joseph R. Murray II writes in a new op-ed for USAToday.
That case, Murray says, is a proposed bill in South Dakota that bans trans students from using any school bathrooms and locker rooms that don’t correspond with their “chromosomes and anatomy as identified at birth.” The bill passed and is currently sitting on Gov. Dennis Daugaard’s desk.
“Seeking to halt any momentum that might develop in the states, trans activists are trying to rally the LGBT community and hinting at federal lawsuits if Daugaard signs the South Dakota bill,” Murray writes. “The aim is to build on the major victories gays and lesbians won last year with the Supreme Court.”
But, Murray argues, this isn’t the right strategy.
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“Is the plight of the trans person the same as the gay or lesbian person?” he ponders. “Are gay and transgender folks one and the same, or is there a good cause to argue that ‘L’ & ‘G’ should drop the ‘T’ from their movement?”
“Make no mistake,” he continues, “the gay community needs to file for divorce with the trans community. They are no longer working toward the same goals, and South Dakota is Exhibit A. The issues facing the transgender community today are wholly different and separate from those facing the gay community.”
Gay people, Murray says, “are not seeking surgery or hormone treatments. They love the same gender; they don’t want to be a different gender.”
And then there are trans celebrities, who Murray suggests are doing no favors for the gay community.
“Can it be said that the drama surrounding Chaz Bono and Caitlyn Jenner will help sustain gay equality?” he asks. “Or would they embolden opponents of gay rights and undercut our progress?”
“It is one thing to seek acceptance of two men saying ‘I do,'” Murray concludes. “It is another to ask Americans to accept boys sharing bathrooms and locker rooms with their daughters at school.”
“Trans folks should no longer be grouped with the larger cause of gay rights … If the gay community allows the trans community to co-opt its success and redefine the movement as one seeking to upend the human experience, it does so at its own peril.”
What do you think? Is it time to drop the “T” from LGBTQ? Why or why not? Sound off in the comments section below.
Ummmm Yeah
Yes big time. They have nothing to offer gays and have only ever leached off gay rights but never participated in the movement other than to lie about their role in Stonewall. After the marriage fight we should be working to hold ground on that and starting to push for job and housing protection nationwide. Instead we are losing ground because of the bathroom war they started. Gay rights needs to go back to being about gays, lesbians and bisexuals and no noe one else. We are not responsible for every group of misfits that come along.
Grant Mealey
No it is not, been in the fight together with all my brothers and sisters for decades…….wtf? ð???
Christopher Canon
Wtf!?
Steve318
He makes a good point. Ts do have a different struggle. Personally I think Bs should divorce themselves from Ls and Gs since they don’t think Bs exist. Oh wait, I forgot about inclusiveness. Hm?
Sean McGrath
Utter nonsense.
Stephen Meeks
No, but the “Q” can go
Ummmm Yeah
@Steve318: If they want to go they can. It isn’t like they have been at the prides, marches, protests, riots, or have put out the money like the gays and lesbians have but up to this point they have gotten all the rewards. Given how little they have paid for how much they have gained, I doubt they will go anywhere.
Paco
I’m more concerned with gay erasure at the hands of the Trans community. Another site just erased gay from its pages, in favor of the more inclusive term Queer. Except, now they have mostly Trans stories and have kept sub categories specifically for Trans, Lesbian, and Bisexual, but nothing specifically for gay men. They just lumped us in with the others that don’t fit and called it a day. I rather gays break away than being lost in a crowd that doesn’t have much in common with us.
Matthew Thompson
Look I don’t agree with everything trans group says about gay men. I hate being called cis or queer but like any family we may not always agree but I’ll never leave you high and dry to defend yourself.
Cody Daigle-Orians
Murray is more than just an “openly gay lawyer and writer.” He’s a former campaign manager for Pat Buchanan and a conservative commentor (as per his bio). Kind of essential info to frame his thoughts.
Allen J Lewis
I’m all for trans rights but I think it’s different. We can have the anti defamation league and hrc but to group sexuality with gender identity is misguided, just my opinion.
CoolBeansandChili
I don’t think we should drop the T from LGBT. Our overall goal is very similar, to be treated equal in the eyes of the law. We have made great strides for Gays and Bisexuals, we should extend some of our power to the Trans community. If they don’t want to except our help and resources, then that’s on them. But, it would be better for all of us if we strive to work better together.
Ummmm Yeah
@Paco: Stop funding groups that have spit in our faces and go after any advertisers the websites have. Cut off their funds and rebuild real gay rights groups and sites on their ashes.
William Meyer
I agree 100%. LGB is about sexuality. T is about gender identity. Let’s get the T out of LGBT!
Nathaniel McManus
We should be all lumped under the same category, “sexual orientation and gender identity rights”
joeyty
I’d vote to separate from the “T”. I wish them the best, and would probably often support them (like the way I support little people/dwarf equality and most other non-mainstream folk) but it’s just an identity I can’t relate to and see it as a whole different issue from my homosexuality.
Clinton Hardesty
Sexual identity and gender identity are not related. By lumping it all together you further confuse the issue for people who don’t identify with either. If understanding/acceptance is what is sought, then separating the two issues formally is actually necessary.
Dave Cookson
And as we stride off into a bright new future we kick “Trans” to the kerb? No, as a community, we move forward together carrying all those discriminated by “normal” judgmental society along. Its the moral no the right thing to do (Billy)
jimstoic
We include the T not because it helps the LGBQ, but because it is right.
Bauhaus
““Is the plight of the trans person the same as the gay or lesbian person?”
Yes, if the trans person is gay or lesbian. Gender identity isn’t the same as sexual orientation, but we are discriminated against in the same ways by the same bigots. LGBT’s are still second-class citizens in much of the country.
Nothing would make the bigots happier than to see division and dissension on our side. Don’t fall for it.
Tiffany Heller
Just goes to show that no matter what we do were still going to be tossed in the garbage and that were losing the fight not winning cause of people not opening their heart and mind. In my view being trans is just a mind set. matching your heart and soul with your body is not a mind set it; is who a person is. A person’s soul is set their body can be corrected to match the soul which will lead the person to be whole. So yeah gender dysphoria in my view is just an excuse to to hate and discriminate and not accept a person’s soul as who a person is not what they are and “correct” a person’s body to match their soul. If you pour water from a pitcher to a glass does the water change? no it does not all it does is go from one container to another. Water is like a person’s soul. The pitcher and glass are just the containers. No matter what contains water it will always be water.
Bauhaus
@joeyty:
“T, it would be my pleasure to present you to bus.”
@jimstoic:
Exactly.
Michael Claypoole
Quiet frankly I’ve never understood how the ‘T’ got tacked onto ‘GLB’. Transgendered people aren’t necessarily homosexual. As others have pointed out, ‘homosexuality’ is the love of one’s own sex and bisexuals are people who at times love someone of their own sex and other times someone of the opposite sex.
Most of the transsexuals I knew 40 years ago where born biological men but should have been born women. They went through a multi-step process before they had the surgery so they could become what they were meant to be (with most of the people I knew, they lived as husband and wife).
For the ‘T’ to be included with ‘GLB’ they would need to become the opposite sex they were born as and one the medical procedures were completed they would only be attracted to members of their gender reassigned sex, or in other words, homosexual. They would no longer be ‘T’.
zooby
How about we drop the Q? Questioning… weren’t we all questioning at some point? That just sounds like “I am a closeted coward who doesn’t want to admit the truth.” Closeted gay men (aka cowards) do not deserve to be a part of our community.
rickyboi7
I’ve long thought that the “T” community was a wholly separate entity from the LGBQ community. While ‘cousins’ in our fight for equality, especially due to being lumped together into one big category for years, I don not feel as a gay man who loves other men, that I have anything in common with a person who feels they were born the wrong gender. I was born the right gender, and I was born attracted to the same gender. Don’t get me wrong, I am completely sympathetic with the transgender community’s cause, I just don’t believe it’s the same thing as being gay.
Robert Zakem
Sadly, I’ve had similar thoughts. Now that the gay ship has sailed as it were, the new target is transgendered and the whole “bathroom” issue. It’s clearly complicated and I certainly don’t advocate throwing our trans brethren overboard just to save our ship. But we do need to look at the overall strategy to determine what is the best approach for the greater good. Perhaps an all or nothing approach is not what’s in the best interest of the broader LGBT community.
Michael1500
The transgender community has never belonged in the “mix.” They have been included simply because the LGB group is the closest community to their particular situation. I have always felt uncomfortable including them—- not because they are distasteful, but because it is a case of apples and oranges.
Bion Niederkohr
So this guy took money from and supported one of the most violently anti-gay people in American politics. This guy also benefited from all of the social and political gains of the past 40 years by default.
THIS GUY has the stones to claims that trans folks (who were busy betting their asses kicked, fired from jobs, and in the trenches with the rest of us) are riding on the coat-tails of the LGB and have no business in *our* movement??!!
This guy who did NOTHING for us, actively worked against us, and STILL gets all the gains we fought for is the actual drain on our movement. This guy should be removed from the LGBT and he and his parasitic buddies (some who are commenting here) need to work for their own rights.
Trans and gender non-conforming do more in a day for the LGB than this stooge has done in his lifetime.
Jesse Erickson
I disagree. While the fine details may differ, we all know what its like to not be accepted for who we are. We should support them no matter what.
Aromaeus
There are gay trans people…this is such a stupid argument and all you transphobes need to fall down a very very steep cliff.
Prinny
Yes they need to leave
jayj150
Trans people hate gays and lesbians. They know it, we know it. At best, they can manage to be unbearably condescending when dealing with gay folks. Of course, despite their hatred, they put off with us, because it allows them to reap progress without actually putting any effort to it. It’s OK for transpeople to have spaces specifically for them: magazines, websites, organizations, legal groups, parades, support groups, etc., where “cis” gay and lesbians are not welcome, and no none complains. However, the converse situation is automatically seen as bigoted: No gay/lesbian space can try to remain free of the the trans drama without being called bigoted. Two of the most dramatic examples are the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival, an important institution for lesbians and other gender nonconforming women for decades, which trans hatetivsit manage to get cancelled. However, transpeople get away with openly and publicly discriminating against Drag Queens and gender-non-conforming gays and lesbians, excluding them from, of all places Gay Pride parades(even though Drag Queens practically invented gay pride) because “they make them look bad”. The hypocrisy and double standard is abysmal, as is the betrayal of the gay establishment toward its real, original heroes: Drag Queens and butch lesbians.
Rocco Vader
Most trans do not consider themselves gay…
joeyty
@Bauhaus: meaning…. what ?
Erica Jade Worthington
Sorry, but this is stupid. I’m a transwoman, and I like women. So you can kick me out for being Trans, but then I’m still in because I’m a lesbian. And let’s not forget that most Americans have no idea of the difference between gender and sexuality
joeyty
@Michael Claypoole: You’re right…none of the linking up of trans with gays/lesbians makes practical sense at all. Unless one buys the argument that we’re all “sexual outlaws” in mainstream society or something, but…then there’s a whle other slew of people we have to start adding onto the GLBTQ….
Ashke113
If that’s how you want to look at things then remove the B as they are neither Lesbian or Gay they could be considered sexually confused because they haven’t made up their mind. But then we get into the realm of of pansexuals and so on and so forth. Just because they transition does not mean they stop being gay lor lesbian they fust fit into the roles they were made for not forced into. And who exactly is this “we” that decides what letters get put onto the list of who we are, is there some group of power gays or THE GAY MAFIA that decides this shit up??????? Stop deciding something for all of us.
Ummmm Yeah
@Aromaeus: To be gay you have to have two people of he same sex. Delusions don’t count. Stop trying to steal our gay identity along with someone else’s gender. Get your own identity.
jayj150
@Erica Jade Worthington: A ‘Lesbian’ is a woman who is attracted to people of her own SEX. Yes, SEX, not ‘gender’. That’s why the term is ‘sexual orientation’, not ‘genderual orientation’. That’s why genitals are referred to as ‘sexual organs’, not ‘genderual organs’. Sex is a biological reality, ‘gender’ is a social construct, basically a collection of social stereotypes of what people should behave and look like depending on whether they’re men or women. These stereotypes that you use to define your identity, by the way, are the same ones that have always been used to discriminate against gay and lesbians people. When you have sex with your wife, you are having, by definition(a definition agreed upon even by transpeople) HETEROSEXUAL SEX.
AtticusBennett
the “drop the T” folks are, simply put, weak and cowardly excuses for gay men. we’re stronger when we stand united.
“DROP THE T!” scream the broken boys still sucking up to their homophobic fathers.
LiamCregg
Gods, I want to slap the stupid off this queen. He can’t see past his single issue faggotry
AtticusBennett
he’s a transphobic ignorant dunce. a coward. a wimp. and an embarrassment to the gay community.
a transgender girl is not a boy.
and any of you agreeing with him should hang your heads in shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJom6vyRtQc
ingyaom
Yes – Being gay is now recognized as being normal, while trans is a pathological condition requiring medical intervention. Once trans folks have achieved their desired gender identity, they are free to identify as gay or straight. If they’re gay, let them come back to GLB (without T).
mdhess
A pig says what?
Brian
Not only does male homosexuality need to distance itself from transgenderism, it also needs to distance itself from the word “gay”. The word “gay” has become a useful excuse to hide or erase the concept of male homosexuality.
Paco
@Brian: And what about the word “straight”, oh wise one? You know that label that hetero males make sure everyone knows they identify as so they are not confused with being homosexual. Erasing “gay” still won’t make heterosexual men want you no matter what female-free fantasy land you have decided to live in.
dean089
We never should have been joined in the first place. Lesbian/gay issues and trans issues are not the same issues. The only issue in common is equality and acceptance, but we have that in common with women, people of color, etc. So if it’s just about equality maybe we should all have joined NOW or the NAACP?
damon459
Can we just kick out Mr. Murray the bigot instead?
Shofixti
This is quite a vulgar headline to run with.
Trans people and gay/queer/bi people do not have to be the same – that’s the whole point. What unites us is that hetero-centric logic becomes violence when filtered through systems like education, religion and government.
Hetero-centricity is the demand that bodies, genders and desires all conform to the straight narrative. We resist this and trans people resist this through visibility, liberty, sex and the refusal to have our bodies ordered and constrained by ‘natural’, ‘normal’ and ‘heterosexual’.
Wilberforce
I agree with this creep. The trans agenda slows us down. It did so when we lost enda because of trans interference. Now we stand to loose our progress because of the bathroom issue.
That’s bad enough. But trans people don’t even like us. It seems more like hatred from them. And I would kick them to the curb, at if not permanently, at least until they try to help us, maybe by backing off from their more ridiculous issues. Bathroom rights at the expense of enda? Give me a break.
I doubt that will happen though. Our movement is controlled by the same non-strategic dreamers as those who dropped the earlier fight for enda, when we had a chance of winning. Now that chance is out the window, and our movement is in the hands of people who actually despise us.
psk
@William Meyer: This is perfectly concise.
psk
@Clinton Hardesty: I agree 100%. It is most certainly time to separate. The agendas are just too dissimilar and I think has been from the beginning.
I also agree about the “Q”. Seriously “Q”? How can proud and out gay men and women stand by someone who can’t even figure it out? Isn’t that point of “gay pride?”
joeyty
@AtticusBennett: LOL ! How do you know some of us didn’t have transgender fathers, and that’s why we don’t want them in our gay culture?
joeyty
@dean089: Yup. And..Gypsies, Jews, polygamists, Hmong people, Ruthenians, dwarfs, Siamese twins, hermaphrodtes, the blind, the deaf, prisoners……… they’re all people I think most of us want basic equality for. Should they all be added after GLB as well ?
joeyty
@Bauhaus: Ever since they vandalized the gay Segal statues outside the Stonewall…..I’ve felt even more apart from T activists.
Invert
Trans people appear to want to be integrated into heterosexual society and to conform to heteronormative standards. Their goal is to exit the LGB(T) community. I don’t think the rest of the people in the acronym have the same goals in mind.
Jboo
@AtticusBennett:
Come down off the cross my friend. Trans individuals can still pursue their own missions, and it’s perfectly fine for people within the LGB community to have dissenting political opinions.
I agree that the “T” should be dropped. We have significantly different political objectives. Plus if we vote them out we’re one step closer to the million dollar prize…
J.T.
Well-said and finally said. I share no common cause with the transgender community and its homophobic leaders like Caitlyn Jenner.
And while we’re at it, we should consider removing the “B” as well. When was the last time a bisexual stood up to defend you?
1EqualityUSA
Leave nobody behind on the battlefield. When all is said and done, we will be proud that we didn’t boot “T”of of LGBT. We are strong and resilient enough to carry our brothers and sisters. The average bigot sees no difference between any of us, so do not let them divide and conquer us. Carry on.
inbama
@Erica Jade Worthington:
I have no doubt you may find the woman of your dreams, but most lesbians are not interested in women with penises and would not consider them to be lesbians.
That we have allowed Trans Activists to label our lesbian sisters TERFs is one of the greatest betrayals of the LGB movement.
Transfeminism has stolen the right of gays and lesbians to define themselves.
I support your rights fully, but I detest Transfeminism – everything from the ludicrous “Transgender Umbrella” that lumps transsexuals together with cross-dressers to the imbecilic “Cisgender” that portrays gays with straights and united villains in the Alphabet Soup Movement.
If gay men are you’re oppressors, than we clearly don’t belong in the same movement.
inbama
Sorry for the typo.
“Then.”
joeyty
@inbama: LOL. Cisgender oppressors. True. But sounds so like satire.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: No bigots are going to conquer me, and I’m already divided (by my own choice) from the T movement.
Merv
No to divorce, but we don’t have to always be joined at the legislative hip. It’s OK for married couples to sometimes have separate interests and occasionally go on separate vacations.
captainburrito
We’d get our rights faster if we ditched them. But if we do ditch them i don’t think they’d get their rights in my lifetime. I wonder how we’d feel if the shoe was on the other foot.
Perhaps separate but still support their causes. Because we could get some laws past without them, with them it will probably take a decade or 2 longer. Just a practical consideration.
Brian
Transgenders hate the idea of homosexuality. That’s why they change the way they perceive themselves for the purpose of going along with the mainstream hetero-normative stereotypes.
1EqualityUSA
the-virulent-link-between-white-supremacy-and-homophobia on Queerty
joeyty, boring world for which you advocate
1EqualityUSA
seeing all = joeyty = bland, boring, homogeneous world.
1EqualityUSA
http://www.queerty.com/the-virulent-link-between-white-supremacy-and-homophobia-20150625
jrh311
@Brian: So what you’re saying is that all transgender people are attracted to people of the sex they formerly identified with?
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: No ! Bland boring and homogenous is what I DON’T want. I know there are inherent differences between the races, the sexes, even ethnicities within the races, and I’m not going to try to fight it. I’m not going to pretend it’s not a huge percentage of Indians winning the spelling bees. Gay activists are the ones who would insist I have to pretend every ethnicity is represented equally in spelling contests. THAT’S bland and boring.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: As if we should let white supremacists decide who I should be allied with. If I went by that I’d insist we ad J for Jewish to the GLB…etc. Or Jehovah’s Witnesses since the Nazis persecuted them too.
Bauhaus
@joeyty:
The Civil Rights Act protects all of the groups you keep mentioning. Adding those already protected groups to LGBT would be superfluous. That’s what we are fighting for right now as an LGBT group – to be included in the Civil Rights Act and to have the same civil rights and protections under federal law as every other minority and majority already protected in this country. Equality has nothing to do with ability, it is being treated equally under the law.
joeyty
@Bauhaus: There’s some merit in what you’re saying, yes…..But in the long run I still think the two are better off as separate entities.
onthemark
The restroom controversy is not really THAT tough to get through and will fizzle out fairly quickly, I think. In a few years the public will get used to the idea and will move on. T’s will even be openly in the military soon.
Sure we have different “agendas” to some extent but I don’t see any upside to dumping the T’s. How exactly would that speed things up for us? I’m not seeing it. The hetero public, in general, wouldn’t be impressed if we DID all decide to dump the T’s – no matter what some LCR clown thinks.
Stached1
Yes we should drop the T. Politically LGB people, and Trans people are separated. LGB people do not like how a lot of Ts/or nutty trans activists completely rewrite history, and Trans people or trans activists always whine and get offended over every little thing.
My trans friends even agree that the T should be separated from LGB since people who are T go through or have issues and things that the majority of bi, gay/lesbian people do not.
@Jboo: Atticus or Raymond Miller is a troll that spews utter shite and nonsense on this site.
Mars414
The “T” should never have been added in the first place. The issues and concerns of the trans community are valid and should be respected, but they differ from ours. Look, we all want to be accepted by society at large, but after that, our paths head in very dissimilar directions.
Bob LaBlah
““Can it be said that the drama surrounding Chaz Bono and Caitlyn Jenner will help sustain gay equality?” he asks. “Or would they embolden opponents of gay rights and undercut our progress?”
One of those mentioned, Chaz Bono, didn’t do what he did for publicity as the other one NO doubt did. I mean the ignorance of the community to not see past that fraud of a human being (the older one) is simply amazing. I bet once the ratings subside and the series gets cancelled (along with the phone stop ringing) off the dress, bra and fingernails will come. Unlike Chaz that one has had no irreversible surgery, for those of you who haven’t noticed that either.
inbama
We NEED a gay and lesbian movement with our own agenda.
If you haven’t been paying attention, every study shows the MAJORITY of children with Gender Disphoria realize AFTER PUBERTY that they are just gays and lesbians.
Transgender Activists want all these children put on “Puberty Blockers” so they NEVER EXPERIENCE PUBERTY.
The result will be MANUFACTURING Transgenders at the expense of gay and lesbian children.
This is just one example of why we need our own movement to protect gays and lesbians.
gskorich
yes, please. the trans movement isn’t about inclusion, its about demands and hiding who you are. too many times on this site have a sen stories about trans women who are murdered because they don’t disclose who they are. you can’t say anything about the trans community without being called transphobic. the best is when i was told i wasn’t open minded enough because i preferred to be with men who have a penis. BTW, if your penis falls off , you are still a man unless you replace it with a vagina.
joeyty
@gskorich: LOL. There’s an agenda out there to make us think it doesn’t matter if someone has a penis or a vagina. They want to blur everything together so men become more feminine and women become more masculine and they meet in the middle so we become a big dull sexless society…….and they don’t accept that some of us grew up seeing the contrast between men and women and realized we desire the same sex as ourselves. They want to take away any contrast….in sex, in ethnicity….That’s why San Francisco is a big bland sexless nothing of a town now. In a few years they’ll all look like Pat from Saturday Night Live and wear sexless scrub suits.
gskorich
@joeyty: totally agree with you. when I expressed my preference I was asked if I gave a man with a vagina a try. just to see if I liked it. I told them my mother asked me the same thing when I told her I was gay. except of course the man part. be gender fluid all you want but don’t get mad when people want something different.
Bino
@AtticusBennett: I was hoping you would comment and right on.
AtticusBennett
i have many transgender friends. you “drop the T” cowards need to stop blaming transpeople for the fact, yes the FACT, that you remain disappointments to your crap families.
it’s so tired.
at least i take solace knowing that you “drop the T” guys are so f***ing cowardly and such useless wimps that your “reach” extends only as far as the comments you make, anonymously, on a website. you have no power. you have no voice. and thank GOD, because you’re a bunch of pathetic losers.
AtticusBennett
@J.T.: to think you consider yourself a man of “God”. nice lack of compassion, you tired old hack. feel free to kick the bucket any day now.
joeyty
@AtticusBennett: I take solace knowing you’re too mentally ill to leave Canada.
spiffy
I support the Trans’ right to not be discriminated; but I don’t support Trans when they want to erase our gay culture and gay history.
joeyty
@spiffy: Like when they vandalized Segal’s statues honoring gay couples near the Stonewall. Screw them. And that’s why these Atticus Bennett types need to come to NYC to have their faces smacked around a bit…again, right there in front of the Stonewall.
Riverhog
Yes it is time it should be Lesbians, Gays and Bisexual ONLY. We are starting to loose battles due to the trans community. Boot them OUT!!!!!!!!
JessPH
Drop the T.
Sexual orientation is massively different from gender identity. By lumping LGB with T, we’re making it more difficult for straight and cisgender people to understand the differences between sexual orientation and gender identity.
Laws protecting gays and lesbians from employment, public accommodation and housing are being delayed and denied because of the bathroom issue among transgender individuals.
Furthermore, while homosexuals are working hard to break gender norms & stereotypes, transgender people are merely perpetuating them. They are insisting that their feelings & behavior are not “appropriate” for the gender they are assigned at birth so they need to transition to the gender “appropriate” for their feelings & behavior.
inbama
@JessPH:
Actually, transsexualism (having gender dysphoria and surgical sexual re-assignment) is also vastly different from “gender identity.”
No one had a problem with this until the “Transgender Umbrella” was created and so-called “real women” could have penises.
It’s the hubris of redefining male and female as being nothing but a state of mind that will bring down the entire ridiculous LGBTQIA movement