Terrorist.
Smart ass.
Isis mother f—er.
Sand n—er.
How about we take this to the next level?
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These are just a few of the insults hurled at Anthony Magallanaz of Phoenix, AZ when posted lyrics to one of his favorite pop songs on his Grindr profile shortly after the terrorist attacks in Paris.
The Arabic lyrics translate to “I loved you in the winter.” They come from the song Al Thaniah by Lebanese singer Fairouz.
“At first I thought it as a joke, but one in bad taste,” 22-year-old Magallanez told Gay Star News in an interview, “so I asked for clarification and it became clear to me that he only wanted to be hateful, so that’s when I stopped taking him seriously.”
He continued: “At the same time, I tried to be light-hearted with him and show that, ‘Yeah, I’m Muslim, but am I the one being aggressive here?'”
Magallanez tried to let the comments roll off his back, but he admitted he’s growing more uneasy about the increase in Islamophobia he’s been noticing, especially after the tragedy in Paris.
“I’m scared for the Muslims in Europe as well as those here in the United States,” he said, “and most of all those in the Middle East, who are the most direct and immediate victims of groups like Da’esh and al-Qa’eda.”
“There have already been attacks in Baghdad and Beirut and I fear there will be strong action on Da’esh’s part and equally strong reaction against innocent people on the part of bigots here in the U.S. and Europe.”
Read Magallanez’s exchange with the anonymous bigot below…
Giancarlo85
This is how even some gay people think on this site. First off, Lebanon is a multicultural nation with varying religions. Quite a few Lebanese are Christians. You can’t fix stupid. This guy should stop using the app… People on there are up to no good and he is good looking enough to do better.
There is some serious hatred even on this site from gay republicans.
Aromaeus
Bigotry on Grindr? I’m shocked. Truly.
tylerray13
What a moron. First of all, ISIS is extremely homophobic, to assume another gay man would be affiliated with them shows how stupid that person is for saying something like that.
Never mind religious views, this guy clearly has a hatred for arab people…otherwise why bring racial slurs into it? Pathetic excuse for a human being.
Kevin Wotipka
“Hurka durka shit”. That tells me all I need to know about the bigot’s intelligence and age mentality right there. I hope he grows up soon,
money718
“I’m scared for the Muslims in Europe as well as those here in the United States,” Cry me a f’kin river.
Juanjo
Lebanon was and still is one of the most beautiful countries in the world, full of amazing people. It is sad that this young man had to encounter this type of hatred, especially from another gay man. The ignorance of some people is unbelievable. As a gay Jew I have run into people who assume I have Arabs and Muslims which I do not. I have friends and co-workers who are Muslim and Christian Arabs. I also recall being with some Israelis where we were speaking Hebrew and some drunken hater came up and started telling us to take our “towel headed asses out of the gay club we were in. I told him to go screw himself pointing out he was so stupid he did not know the difference between Hebrew and Arabic first and second, that even were we Muslims, it was none of his damn concern. I also pointed out one of the guys he was insulting had served in the Sayeret [Israeli special forces] and was not the kind of guy to pick a fight with.
The fact is that I live in a city where there are a lot of Arabs and they are decent folks who are here because they are tired of the war and strife in their home countries. They have the same hopes and dreams as anyone else. These do not include terrorism. And money718 needs to save money up and buy a brain.
Alistair Wiseman
Innocent people were violently murdered and innocent people will continue to be violently murdered. But Queerty, in a display of their infinite moral clarity, is concerned about hurt feelings by someone we don’t know making ignorant remarks on a gay pick-up app.
Rafael Rama
At the end of the day, that islamophobes will regret it.
darian
Another case of buying into Republican hype.
SeeingAll
@Alistair Wiseman: Of course. Gays are the ones who encouraged Europe to invite EVERYONE in, including the homophobes, for their almighty diversity.
SeeingAll
@Juanjo: Many now say, “ISIS is the snake. Moderate Islam is the grass.”
Stache
@Giancarlo85: Ha. Pot meet your kettle.
money718
@darian: What??
Stache
@SeeingAll: The problem is that they’re not people that want to diversify and just take their religion way too literally.
oddchild1
Remember kids; it’s not racism; it’s just a preference.
Stache
“I’m scared for the Muslims in Europe as well as those here in the United States,” he said, “and most of all those in the Middle East, who are the most direct and immediate victims of groups like Da’esh and al-Qa’eda.”
How about the gays getting thrown off building or the state sanctioning hanging. Does that upset you or is it just not your problem? This sounds awfully similar to christians whining about being persecuted while they’re the ones busy persecuting.
Stache
@oddchild1: I know but Ra*ist just sound so much better. Much easier to insult then “preference hater”.
Joey Okowitz
Breaking news! There are jerks on Grindr! Film at 11.
DDstar1me
Wow he said a “sand ni**er”. lol. Just wow. what a deplorable human being.
Transiteer
Lots of Stupid around. Usually Republican. Usually can’t find their ass with both hands in the real world. Peanut brained morons.
Marky
He needs to shut his mouth and roll over; it’s the only way he’s going to avoid getting slapped in the face.
SeeingAll
@Stache: It’s true. THEY don’t want to diversify. They just wanted the benefits of the western world that did so much better without Islam, YET to impose Islam on the western world they came to (including the homophobia). And gays WANT them to fill up the western world. But, in a world where some gays fetishize catching HIV, it’s no surprise.
SportGuy
Oh gosh, are you telling me there is racism on grindr! I thought it was just a preference,lol!
Dennis Sandoval
imagine the hatred if he were also fat and fem
Paco
Cute young man. A shame he had to deal with some jerk’s “preference” because of song lyrics in another language.
Giancarlo85
Same old right wingers on here spewing the same old hatred. Most Muslims are not extremists. But hey if you want to play this game a Christian extremist drove a truck bomb into a federal building. Extremists exists everywhere.
And a so called Christian President by the name of Bush and killed a reported 800,000 because of that intervention.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *Bush’s war in Iraq resulted in 800,000 dead.
So pot meet kettle? Utter nonsense.
Rob Laughlin
Our group is no different than the rest of the country. Not exempt from ignorance.
Mike Lundstrom
maybe someone should get this SMUCK a world atlas
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Yeah…one terrorist act against…..how many by Muslims now ? This is why drag queens have to stay on the sidelines and should never be allowed major decision-malking for everybody else.
[email protected]
Muslim AND on Grindr? While i am sure Mr Magallanaz does not for an instant deserve such epithets and like the vast majority of Muslims views terrorism with abhorence I do think he should be judged by his philosophical choices. I would subject Christians gays to the same critique… basically they claim to adher to a relgion that condemns gays outright to extermination not to mention the legitimising of child brides courtesy of Muhammad marrying one, fatwahs against critics and satirists like Salmond Rushdie (see Charlie Nebdo etc)again justified by reference to Muhammads life as he had assassinated poets who parodied him, the treatment of women and so forth. Point being I don’t give a damn about the colour of his skin, the fact he’s gay or wouldnt blow up a mouse let alone people… he chooses to venerate the word of someone who was in my opinion nothing more than just another randy old goat (see also Joseph Smith, Ron L. Hubbard) who happened upon relgion as a good means of getting as many women as his tongue could cope with…a guy that said it was ok to have sex with a 9 year old but you couldnt have a bacon sandwish or sex with a consenting adult of the same gender. How this guy and other Muslims like him can reconcile a sexuality they never asked for with an abhorant philosophy that profers no more proof of its divine origin than “Take my word for it because I can rhyme in arabic” is beyond me. Same to the Christian gays who torture scripture out of all recognition to try and reconcile their beliefs with their sexuality…
Religion is the baby that should be thrown out with the bathwater. In my opinion, religious gays are just sad sacks lacking the intellectual and moral courage to call out the various philosophies crammed down their throats from birth for exactly what they are… mutually exclusive bronze age bollocks
SeeingAll
@[email protected]: And…today….if you hold an art gallery showing of various pieces depicting Jesus, Buddha, Moses, Vishnu, Confucious, and Mohammed having sex with their male lovers, which religious group are you going to worry about arriving to shoot up the place ?
Hussain-TheCanadian
@SeeingAll: Most terrorist attacks are carried out against Arab Muslims; who do you think ISIS is murdering by the thousands in Syria and Iraq?
Also, to say Terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims is unfair. The terrorist attacks are being carried out by groups and organizations. You seem to imply that Muslims, meaning all 1.6 billion, have committed, agreed to, and cheered on the violence.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@SeeingAll: How are Muslims in the United states or Canada rejecting diversity and imposing their beliefs on others?
The image you are drawing is that if we are some sort of horde coming out mount doom, flowing out of mordor, trying to kill everyone in sight.
I find that insulting and disappointing.
SeeingAll
@Hussain-TheCanadian: I do believe that. They stay silent and mumble “…well…we don’t approve of that…” but…secretly anything that (they hope) enforces Muslim clout is fine with them. Or at least they don’t care enough to police their own in the western world. Islam isn’t compatible with the west and the two worlds should be kept separate (and I don’t know why any Muslim wouldn’t agree with the same). You might be a nice person, yourself, but I think you’re probably in denial about what’s going on. Which is totally understandable (wishful thinking) but….I think it’s a clash of cultures coming to a head.
SeeingAll
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Pretty much, yeah.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@[email protected]: There is alot of Bullshit in your post I have no idea where to begin.
Did Prophet Muhammad amass any wealth upon his death? yes or no?
As for Lady Ayeasha, the “Child Bride” you’re referring too im presuming; do you realize Muslim scholars differ, argue, and fight over her age for over a thousand years?
It makes me wonder if you knew that or even care.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@SeeingAll: Well I know where you stand – you are factually wrong, clear and simple.
SeeingAll
@Hussain-TheCanadian: I didn’t want to believe that about Muslims. But it’s just been too many times now. And the homophobia clinches it.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@SeeingAll: Im a Muslim and I disagree, I want Western culture and Islam to mix, and they are mixing, I, and thousands of others in my community are a testament to that.
I don’t believe in separation, I believe in living, mingling, fucking, sleeping, laughing, crying together.
Also, if you think there is a Muslim conspiracy to “take over” the united states and Canada, I really do think you’re crazy.
zooby
WHAT?! I thought Grindr was filled with decent guys! I’M SHOCKED
Hussain-TheCanadian
@SeeingAll: You are conflating Salafi Wahabism with Islam; if you want to know who created the alliance with Saudi Arabia, the GodFather of Wahabi theocracy within sunni Islam, to take on the Russians in Afghanistan, you don’t really have to look very far beyond Washington.
Steven Burr
stay of gronder
[email protected]
@SeeingAll: Muslim mostly as one seldon sees Bhuddist terrorists and so forth… Islam is a religon that more than most justifies and enjoins violence towards non-Mulims despite all apologists and moderates ahve to say onthe matter they merely cherry pick from a book of horrors.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@[email protected]: Such a bold claim that would not stand scrutiny. You can call it a polemic all you want but you have no legs to stand on.
[email protected]
@Hussain-TheCanadian: Muslim “scholars” (theology is merely the study of ignorance) fight over the age of Muhammad’s child bride? What was their consensus? And if they were unable to reach a consensus what qualifies them to pronounce on anything else?
We can speak about the various interpretations of islam until the cows come home… but as the bible says (scripture can produce some wisdom), by their works you will know them. I look at how gays are treated in Muslim majority countries not to mention women, non-Mulims, atheists and apostates etc and it is seldom a pretty picture but of course apologists will bleat that this has absolutely nothing to do with islam or is a “mis-interpretation” and so forth. Similarly one could be forgiven for thinking that those people in the middle ages who burnt witches and heretics were not actually christian at all.
Point being, most people are more decent than their religions. Revelation which is what the koran clams to bem, is revelation only to those who receive it directly, to everyone else it is hearsay and to my mind completely undeserving of the veneration it demands being merely one unsubstantiated claim amongst many.
I do not care what if any wealth Muhammd amassed during his life, he obviously couldnt take it with him (or had heaps in heaven anyway thanx to god) and if I recall he married a wealthy widow anyway so?? What precisely are you getting at? Did he not enjoy the benefits of plunder both financial and libidinous during his lifetime? Did he not have 12-13 wives while limiting his followers to 4 despite promises of virgins in heaven (as though this is the best reward the omnipotent author of the universe could dream up for humanity an endless afterlife of eternal orgasms, seriously? And you want respect?).
My missive is not so lengthly that a reasonably intelligent person could not address every syllable of the bullshit you claim resides therein. I look forward, on the strength of your critique of my remarks, to telling Salmond he can come out of hiding.
Most religions, Islam and Christianity espoecially are predicated on the monstrous conceit that an individuals feelings, dignified with the term faith, are a superior means of discerning truth than getting off ones lazy behind to find out. These systems of “thought” (read mindless acceptance of authority) are built on a foundation of arrogance, the deification (at least in their fundamentalist manifestations) of the ego and conflation of ones personal opinion with the attributes of the divine i.e. infallability/inerrancy.
Human beings believe a lot of bollocks (think the Heavens gate cult who castrated themselves then committed suicide in the hope of hitching a ride on a spaceship hidden in the tail of the Hale Bop comet). Scary thing is Muslims, Christians etc would never see themselves in this equation… elephant gods and aliens rediculous! Virgin births and horses flying up to heaven… no problem.
[email protected]
@Hussain-TheCanadian: You’ll be telling me black is white and get me run over on a zebra crossing next…
Stefano
@[email protected]: bravo !
Tyler Brocato
I understand what the community and app has but I just wish I could send him some encouragement
Giancarlo85
@SeeingAll: I wasn’t talking to your sorry bigoted ass. Stop thinking everything is about you.
And who said this guy is Muslim? Again quite a few Lebanese are actually Christian
And go ahead and paint Muslims with all the same brush? Would you say this to Malay or Indonesian people? Or how about the largely secular Kurds?
What is the largest Muslim country in the world? Would you treat an Indonesian as a terrorist?
The right wing crap even people on here espouse is disgusting.
Giancarlo85
From what I see on here… No people would not treat Indonesians the same way. SeeingNothing would probably call a Sikh a terrorist like the ignorant bigot he is. He is the one that should stay permanently on the sidelines (never vote please!). O just wish some would just stay at home and not vote at all.
aliengod
Islamophobe? It’s what we all should be. Islam is our enemy. Their main purpose is to kill us. Christians talk about how we’re sinners. Muslims chop off our heads and throw us off rooftops. Don’t fall for the ignorance of Giancarla. Ultra liberals can’t even speak the words “Islamic extremists” because its not PC. Unreal! Giancarla… do you not realize that you’re at the top of their list?!
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: You have your head shoved up Rupert Murdoch’s ass. Have you ever for once had an independent thought? Do you think Indonesians are out to kill you? Nope. Indonesian is a modern country and Jakarta actually has a small but growing gay scene. Plus groups are becoming more active with regards to visibility.
You moron… You are the one that is deeply ignorant. You subscribe to right wing delusions.
[email protected]
@Giancarlo85: You have failed to actually read a single syllable of what I have written and appear to be going off on your own tangent… assuming you give a proverbial read it again and then please quote unto me the bit where I accuse all muslims of being terrorists…re: Malaysia, have you listened to what their prime minister actually says about gays??
As for bigotry this is a false charge, it is fundamentalist muslims (and many a moderate who while they would never blow anyone up have no problems with judicial discrimination) that hold up a book that is the word of god only by virtue of the fact they declare it to be so, a book that says gays like me a garbage along with the hadith that says we should be killed an injuction many muslim majority countries act upon when they have the power to do so (or were those execution in Iran all in our collective imagination?).
I submit, individuals such as yourself (and I am assuming a great deal here) have your religion crammed fown your throat from the monet you flop from the womb and as a consequence when reaching adulthood are emotionally incapable of viewing the matter objectively.
Your point re: the guy maybe not being Muslim, he says he’s a muslim in the article above (clearly my words are not the only thing you have problems reading).
Giancarlo85
@[email protected]: I didn’t bother reading anything you said because it is irrelevant rubbish. I was NOT responding to you. Your beliefs are immaterial.
I do believe you are full of crap though and are inconsistent with your application of disgust. And your assertion about moderate Muslims is a false one.
I don’t really give two shits what you have to say. I wasn’t talking to you.
” individuals such as yourself (and I am assuming a great deal here) have your religion crammed fown your throat from the monet you flop from the womb and as a consequence when reaching adulthood are emotionally incapable of viewing the matter objectively.”
You assume too much as that isn’t true and you come off as an ass in the process. Congratulations. I am agnostic, so you’re pretty much out of line. Seriously stop thinking everyone is replying to you. You’re just as bad as SeeingEyeDog.
aliengod
@Giancarlo85: You’re a complete moron! You use Indonesia as an example?! The NY Times and many other news outlets have reported extensively about how Indonesia is a hotbed of Muslim extremism. Maybe if you’d take some time to actually follow world events you’d be able to make a sensible statement. My head isn’t up Rupert Murdoch’s ass. Unlike you, who’s head is up Hillary’s. Try and focus on the facts. Muslims not only hate you, they want you dead!
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: You’re the real moron on here? You don’t really have any proof for anything you say and you’re spewing bullshit from your mouth. This is what happens when you have right wing rabies. You need to seek immediate mental help. You wouldn’t know facts even if they hit you in the face.
Giancarlo85
Many right wing Christians are tied to Ugandan Dictator Yoweri Museveni. They sponsored the “death to the gays” bill. So are you kidding me? Many people in America want you dead, Aliengod… yet you’re willing to vote for those people while insulting Hillary Clinton.
You’re so full of shit.
dwes09
@money718:
Peiple like you have beaten and killed innocent Muslims in the united states as well as those they, in their ignorance mistook as Muslims. You are an idiot. Sad for gay people (if you are gay) to think like you.
Giancarlo85
@dwes09:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/10/sikh-american-man-attacked-and-called-terrorist.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting
And Sikhism isn’t even Islam. People like Money718 and Fox News watching Aliengod are truly dangerous people.
dwes09
@Stache: ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID? The gay people being killed in the Middle east ARE ARABS, and they are muslims! Do you think they are white circuit boys (as you likely are)? It is painful to see someone cultivating their shallowness as if it was an admirable trait.
dwes09
@SeeingAll:Seeing all says with calssic ignorance:”THEY don’t want to diversify. They just wanted the benefits of the western world that did so much better without Islam, YET to impose Islam on the western world they came to (including the homophobia). And gays WANT them to fill up the western world. But, in a world where some gays fetishize catching HIV, it’s no surprise.”
The stupidity of those who fetishize HIV does not excuse the stupidity of “men” like you. Seems clear you do not know any Muslims, and are just spouting off like those who don’t know any gay people but nonetheless opine about them. I wonder if you are even gay, or just some little breeder troll.
I have a really sweet Iranian friend here in SF and i have to admit I worry about him running into creeps like you who would think nothing of doing harm to him based on your stupidity as homophobes might to gay folks.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@[email protected]: I am not going to answer, discuss, analyze, or question your opinions; they are yours to have and quite honestly have no bearing on this conversation.
You have made several claims above, and im claiming that those claims are factually incorrect. We know of Prophet Muhammad’s life, actions, and sayings from historical narrations and stories called Hadiths handed down from generation to generation as stories. If you don’t know how Hadith is collected analyzed, and categorized as excellent, good, acceptable, poor, or out right fabrication, then you wouldn’t know why a man who married seven woman all in their 50s and 60s (minus Khadija) would suddenly marry a six year old.
You’ve made it obvious that you’re oblivious to these details, so it makes me question your motives.
You said that Prophet Muhammad founded a religion to amass wealth, and I can tell from your above rant that you have not read any of his biographies, that’s why I asked you what wealth did he amass, during his life or sat the end of it?
You obviously have no idea of what you’re talking about, and you sound pretty foolish. You also proudly proclaim your ignorance, which is a horrible human trait.
One thing I will agree with you on, and that’s how gay men and woman are treated in the majority of Muslim countries, and that needs to change. It won’t change by attacking people’s very identity; it doesn’t seem to me you want their plight answered or changed.
One last point, what is the so-called plight of woman in most Muslim majority countries? I can name three Muslim majority countries that elected woman presidents, how many the good old USA elected? Yeah thought so.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@[email protected]: The Qur’an says “gays are garbage and should be killed”? Where?
As for Iran executing gay people, i find that hard to believe since I’ve been to Iran multiple times, wearing a big ass rainbow flag pin, told people I’ve met in cafés that im gay, and lo and behold nothing happened.
dwes09
@SeeingAll: ” I do believe that.”
That sums you up. You counter people who state facts, refer to history and current events…ACTUALITIES… with “I believe”. Well child, your beliefs are just that..beliefs. they are far, far removed from reality. You are no different from the evangelicals who project their idiotic belief on the gay people here. You are no different from the 19th century folks who posted “no dogs, jews or irish” outside their business establishments.
oddchild1
@Stache: The point; you missed it; and prove it.
Franklin
This might might sound really sound harsh, and burst a lot of peoples post-racial bubbles, but the fact of the matter is that Arabic people are learning harsh truth that a lot of people of color in this country learned long ago. That is, as much as we talk about liberty, equality, and being a melting pot in this country, the truth remains that it doesn’t matter how polite you are, how bright you smile, how respectable you try to be, or how much of a good citizen you think you are, when push comes to shove, the people of America can turn on you in a minute and let you know with a quickness that you don’t belong. Listen to the words being shouted at right wing rallies across America. People are saying things like “This is our country”and “We need to take America back”. These people are saying it, and they really mean it. They believe that this is their country and you don’t belong. It’s like Chris Rock said, that train is never late.
Franklin
This might really sound harsh, and burst a lot of peoples’ post-racial bubbles, but the fact of the matter is that Arabic people are learning a harsh truth that a lot of people of color in this country learned long ago. That is, as much as we talk about liberty, equality, and being a melting pot in this country, the truth remains that it doesn’t matter how polite you are, how bright you smile, how respectable you try to be, or how much of a good citizen you think you are, when push comes to shove, the people of America can turn on you in a minute and let you know with a quickness that you don’t belong. Listen to the words being shouted at right wing rallies across America. People are saying things like “This is our country”and “We need to take America back”. These people are saying it, and they really mean it. They believe that this is their country and you don’t belong. It’s like Chris Rock said, that train is never late.
dwes09
@[email protected]: ” I look forward, on the strength of your critique of my remarks, to telling Salmond he can come out of hiding.”
Again someone speaking as if their ignorance was fact. Salman Rushdie has been out of hiding for years. He began public appearances in 1998, moved to the US in 2000, had had a busy teaching, lecturing and public appearance schedule since then all over the world. It is funny how with people like you the less you know the louder you scream about how much you know.
[email protected]
@Giancarlo85: “I didn’t bother reading anything you said because it is irrelevant rubbish. I was NOT responding to you. Your beliefs are immaterial.”
And yet you keep bleating. Might I respectfully suggest you stop.
dwes09
@Hussain-TheCanadian: “As for Iran executing gay people, i find that hard to believe since I’ve been to Iran multiple times, wearing a big ass rainbow flag pin, told people I’ve met in cafés that im gay, and lo and behold nothing happened.”
I have a gay Jewish friend who recently went to Iran. Visited the parents of gay friends here, went all over the place on his own and most of the time without guides or chaperons. They love Americans there. They have the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside of Israel, and Jews are specifically protected in their constitution.
I also believed they hang homosexuals, or push them off the tops of buildings. But I get cruised by men from Tehran surprisingly often on Daddyhunt and GayRomeo (they seem to like daddies there). I always ask them if they worry for their lives in Iran, and don’t they worry about being monitored on line? They are always puzzled by my concern. We are way too prone to xenophobia here in the US, and too eager to believe myths and propaganda we are fed.
stranded
I’ve never used Grindr, but i’m wondering, wouldn’t he be able to see the guy’s photo? Why don’t we expose more people for the shit they say online? I would have posted his picture.
odawg
@money718: I wish YOU could be block, moron!
odawg
@Stache: Your rhetoric is yawn inducing. Please do the world a favorite and do not reproduce in any way.
odawg
@aliengod: LOL! I suspect you have never traveled, read a book, or even attempted to learn anything about people who are different than you. You are just so sad and pathetic. That is all!
[email protected]
@Hussain-TheCanadian: “I am not going to answer, discuss, analyze, or question your opinions; they are yours to have and quite honestly have no bearing on this conversation.”
If opinions are irrelevant then why are you replying to anyone here let alone going on in an attempt to correct and educate?? The conversation from what I have seen revolves around the bigoted treatment received by a young Muslim on Grndr, islam is therefore part of the conversation with invective flying above as to whom is a terrorist and the nature of Islam.
“You have made several claims above, and im claiming that those claims are factually incorrect. We know of Prophet Muhammad’s life, actions, and sayings from historical narrations and stories called Hadiths handed down from generation to generation as stories. If you don’t know how Hadith is collected analyzed, and categorized as excellent, good, acceptable, poor, or out right fabrication, then you wouldn’t know why a man who married seven woman all in their 50s and 60s (minus Khadija) would suddenly marry a six year old.
You’ve made it obvious that you’re oblivious to these details, so it makes me question your motives.”
Oral tradition can hardly be described as absolute proof of anything (or all faiths would be right and every revelation correct). I am a little more aware of these issues than you seem to think. “Opinion” (which is all religion really is for all you can actually show) re: the hadith is deeply divided with commentators differing considerably over which are to be trusted i.e. the catagories you list above are matters of opinion and hardly absolute, indeed there is a muslim sect that rejects them entirely and employs only the koran. It is your “opinion” that it is inexplicable that Muhammad would marry older women then go for a little girl, at what point were you planning on asking if this actually happened? It is not as though this is unprecedented, many men found guilty of molestation in modern times are married to adults although this should be tempered by the different mores of the time. Also, what of the koran itself? Gathered from various sources and compiled by Uthman who ordered all other versions destroyed (you assume he had no vested interest in editing). Recent finds of old korans in Yemen and quotes from the Great Mosque in Jerusalem indicate differing versions existed. Is it really legitimate or reasonable to take one holy book among many and simply declare a priori it is a near infallible source of truth while ignoring the bible, Torah etc which are declared equally valid and truthful by their adherents to the exclusion of the koran? I know some muslims think the bible etc has been tampered with but its the attitude I speak to. It is your opinion that the koran and hadith are legitimate sources of truth and an accurate reflection of history and opinion is manifestly divided on the matter if scholars who have looked into the koranic and hadith claims are to be believed rather than those who merely accept them on the basis of authority.
“You said that Prophet Muhammad founded a religion to amass wealth, and I can tell from your above rant that you have not read any of his biographies, that’s why I asked you what wealth did he amass, during his life or sat the end of it?”
Frankly I do not recall saying anything in reference to Muhammads wealth or lack of it until you mentioned it previously and am nonplussed as to what this is supposed to indicate?? Please elaborate. Muslims regardless clearly benefited from jihad gaining territory, slaves and wealth although again not sure we’re you’re heading here???
“You obviously have no idea of what you’re talking about, and you sound pretty foolish. You also proudly proclaim your ignorance, which is a horrible human trait.”
Excuse me, I am not the one claiming to possess the truth based upon my feelings and faith which is proof of nothing (re: hadith etc constituting proof of anything see above) Consider, if the koran and hadith are accurate and say we were created but the evidence on the ground says we evolved who is right? Who or what is the ultimate arbitor of such things? Your feelings/opinions about koranic accuracy or the objective evidence? I am well aware of my ignorance and do not need reminding of the fact I am flawed and limited human being just like the judaic deity supposedly made me. It has been said that a scientist will read many books in their lifetime and by the end still think they have lots to learn, a religious fundamentalist reads one book and thinks they know everything, Who then is truly ignorant? If you fail to give me a concise summary of Origin of Species am I to , assume YOU are an ignoramous? We cannot encompass all knowledge so the truly ignorant are those who refuse to learn (in my opinion ;). I am still here talking to you so…??
“One thing I will agree with you on, and that’s how gay men and woman are treated in the majority of Muslim countries, and that needs to change. It won’t change by attacking people’s very identity; it doesn’t seem to me you want their plight answered or changed”
Well thank you for that small condescension but how precisely do you hope to achieve change if one is not permitted to criticise the beliefs (i.e. OPINIONS) of others for fear of hurting their feelings? Not as if that deference is reciprocated is it? Perhaps we should start blowing things up (the fundamentalist terrorists employ little more justification for THEIR actions in this respect after all). How many gays must suffer execution, imprisonment in Muslim (and other theocratic orientated countries e.g. Uganda, Nigeria) while we wait for the dear superstitious primates to come round?
“ne last point, what is the so-called plight of woman in most Muslim majority countries? I can name three Muslim majority countries that elected woman presidents, how many the good old USA elected? Yeah thought so.”
Firstly dude, I am not American, a country almost as distressingly religious as some theocracies. Please forgive the description but the word “Muslim” (like Christian) is often employed like a wonton prostitute to service many meanings and encompass many groups and opinions perhaps worthy of better qualifying/differentiation. Yes, there are a number of women leaders in Muslim countries (brilliant!) but there are also a distressing number of Muslim majority countries where this is emphatically not the case e.g. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan) and justified on religious grounds.
You are a far more cogent interlocutor than Giancarlo85 who seems to be either smoking meth or is suffering from a drawn our aneurysm. Would be happy to continue this conversation offline (my email is my login above i.e. [email protected]
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
Yes, Franklin, that does sound harsh, because you are misinterpreting what, “This is our country and we are going to take it back” actually means.
It has nothing to do with “post-racial” bullshit.
FD
He’s not even cute to act that douchey.
Saint Law
Gosh. I thought the moron who attacked that Lebanese guy was stupid – and then I look at some of the stunned simpletons below the line.
Here’s the thing, turdgobblers, as he pointed out, most of those killed in the recent suicide bombings in Lebanon by Isis – as elsewhere in the Middle East – were Muslims.
Most of the people fleeing death and destruction in Syria – both that wrought by Isis and its affiliates as well as Assad’s forces – are Muslims.
As far as ALL Muslims hating gays go…I don’t know how it is in the US (and don’t expect to find out from the likes of SeeingNothing, AlienTard etc) but here in England at the time of the vote on gay marriage there were six Muslim members of Parliament and all but one voted in favor (she abstained).
Franklin
@Alistair Wiseman: Misinterpreting? That’s cute. As far as post-racial, that was to poke fun at this ridiculous notion that people have adopted as of late that have that we’ve somehow overcome racism in this country.
Jose Longoria Jr.
#FckH8!
Greg Fennell
Goes to show you the trash you find on sites like that.
Cam
To the usual suspects here (Seeing All and Alistair, BJ, whoever.)
I have an idea, if you don’t want a bunch of fleeing refugees coming to your country stop voting for people who want to go to other places and bomb the shit out of them, causing people to leave.
ISIS is made up of former Baathist party members from Iraq, who we kicked out of the political process after we invaded, but ooops, they still had all of those weapons we had been selling them for years before while they were in charge.
And why did we attack Iraq twice. Well the first time Kuwait was illegally drilling for oil diagonally across the boarder stilling it from Iraq and we took Kuwait side when Iraq attacked them for stealing their resources. (What would your conservative masters want to do if say, Mexico was diagonal drilling into Texas and draining its reserves?)
The second time we invaded because Sadam, our former ally had weapons of mass destruction. Ooops no he didn’t. So now ISIS was created because we took them out of the political process, Iran is the unchecked superpower in the region because we took out the Iraqi govt. because they had weapons that they didn’t have, and now all of you are acting like the people fleeing the mess over there actually love it over there and want to make this just like it.
Drive around Beverly Hills in the Persian neighborhood. Oh yeah, those girls in short skirts driving their convertibles really wanted to make the U.S. just like Iran when their families fled here right? (SMH)
Ummmm Yeah
We should all be islamophobic. It is not only the most murderous religion, it is the one killing the most gays. You lot bitch more about christians than you do these barbaric anti-gay organize savagery. Is it going to take a Paris attack in the gay community to get you to wake up?
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: what a crock. It isn’t anyone’s country to take back. Stop advocating the exclusion of people you don’t like. That stupid moronic slogan is what the Christian right uses against gay people and other minorities.
And as far as Iranians driving convertibles and being fully westernized… True. You know what group is very homophobic and generally don’t assimilate? Armenians. Every one I have met are highly homophobic. They are ultra conservative… CHRISTIANS!
Dev.C
White people, always relying on logical fallacies.
Cam
@Ummmm Yeah: said….”We should all be islamophobic. It is not only the most murderous religion, it is the one killing the most gays. You lot bitch more about christians than you do these barbaric anti-gay organize savagery.”
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And if I lived in Saudi Arabia or Iran I would be bitching about them being anti-gay. But we don’t, we live here, where every single one of the political attacks against our right to live as citizens has come from conservative Christians.
But nice attempt to try to give the radical anti-gay Christians here a pass. You’re like a cop telling a woman that she shouldn’t complain at all about being raped because a different rapist might have killed her.
Louie Mars
It’s Phoenix, Az!…I grew up there as a Spic, Beaner and Wetback…I no longer live surrounded by meth using white trash red necks….
Ummmm Yeah
@Dev.C: Brown people. Always obsessed with white people.
Ummmm Yeah
@Cam: Actually no we don’t give them a pass. We have been fighting them for 40 years. Where have you been? Not to mention why would we want to give strength in numbers to a new murderous cult by encouraging it in any way shape or form here?
Cam
@Ummmm Yeah:
Your insinuation was that we bitch more about Christians, well yeah, because there over here. Nobody gives encouragement to anti-gay Muslim bigots by talking about Anti-gay Christian bigots as well, especially when they’re the ones over here.
Eiji
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Ogre Magi
@[email protected]: A very good point!
Blackceo
@Alistair Wiseman:
Bullshit. He didn’t misinterpret a damn thing. Bottom line is that many white males are scared to fucking death at the changing demographics of this country. Obama’s election made head spins being elected in ’08 but I think many just shrugged it off to Bush being such a fucking failure that a huge change was needed. Then, when he was re-elected in 2012 it really made heads explode because they could no longer put an asterisk by his presidency. Anyone who believed we were a post racial nation was a damn fool. President Obama’s election didn’t worsen race relations; it simply revealed what has always been there.
All this code language and code phrases by the right about people who are “others” is so blatantly obvious. Now all of this refusing to let Syrian refugees in to escape the murderous monsters destroying any future for the ones not involved in this ISIS madness. I just find it ironic that all of this is occurring around Thanksgiving because in hindsight the Native Americans should’ve probably told the White people who wanted in to go kick rocks since we see what they did to Native Americans. They were the original ISIS if we really want to go there.
alphacentauri
Why is this news? There are lots of r@c!sts on Grindr.
Juanjo
@ Hussain-TheCanadian you are arguing against the ignorance of Americans who have never left their comfortable homes and have never thought outside their Christian world views. As a Jew I have run up against this attitude my entire life. The only reason they even like us now is based upon two facts. First they hate Muslims ore than Jews and secondly the religious among them want us all to convert to Christianity so their man-god will return. They get mad when I tell them I am more afraid of them than I am of Muslims because Muslims and Jews have a long history of living together in peace where our history with Christians is one of Christians murdering us, raping our women and burning our books and buildings. I also point out that Jews and Muslims have a lot more in common in our religious theology than we do with Christians who split their god into three parts and made one of those a man.
As-salamu alaykum
shalom
Hussain-TheCanadian
@[email protected]:
“”If opinions are irrelevant then why are you replying to anyone here let alone going on in an attempt to correct and educate?? The conversation from what I have seen revolves around the bigoted treatment received by a young Muslim on Grndr, islam is therefore part of the conversation with invective flying above as to whom is a terrorist and the nature of Islam.””
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In the general sense you are correct, however we are not discussing the nature of divine revelation or your input into what theology is, or whether is it useful or not.
The whole reason why I replied to you wasn’t because of your opinion on the above matter, but because I wanted to correct two things you said about Prophet Muhammad (Marrying a child and hording wealth). You can have all the negative opinion of Islam you like but that isn’t the focus of my discussion with you.
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“”Oral tradition can hardly be described as absolute proof of anything (or all faiths would be right and every revelation correct). I am a little more aware of these issues than you seem to think. “Opinion” (which is all religion really is for all you can actually show) re: the hadith is deeply divided with commentators differing considerably over which are to be trusted i.e. the catagories you list above are matters of opinion and hardly absolute, indeed there is a muslim sect that rejects them entirely and employs only the koran.””
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That is true, this is why you cannot say in absolute terms that event A happened, and event B did not – That’s why when historians look at his character, behavior, and sayings – not to mention the sources of narration to who claimed that Ayaesha was six when she married the Prophet, it makes the event unlikely.
It’s also a long complicated conversation why some scholars and historians believe that the event is true – I wanted to point out that claiming in absolute terms that Prophet Muhammad married a child is foolish and historically questionable – Also looking at the times of her birth and when she was wedded to him, it also makes that age improbable.
So what you wrote in the above segment is correct, but I don’t think it supports your stand since we know that one Hadith or historical claim cannot be reliable if it’s contradicted by other Hadiths and historical events and considerations.
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“”It is your “opinion” that it is inexplicable that Muhammad would marry older women then go for a little girl, at what point were you planning on asking if this actually happened? It is not as though this is unprecedented, many men found guilty of molestation in modern times are married to adults although this should be tempered by the different mores of the time.””
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I disagree; it is not merely my opinion that the Prophet would not marry a six year old but the opinion of many historian and scholars spanning a thousand years. I can also say that it is your opinion that he married a child, and the conversation would simply stop.
We can discuss why many historians and scholars think its improbably if you wish.
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“”Also, what of the koran itself? Gathered from various sources and compiled by Uthman who ordered all other versions destroyed (you assume he had no vested interest in editing). Recent finds of old korans in Yemen and quotes from the Great Mosque in Jerusalem indicate differing versions existed.””
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I’m quite familiar with the “Yemen Qur’an” finding, and it’s not a “different” version, it’s the exact same one with different words in some Suras reflecting the local usage of the word. Also the Arabic marking on the script were missing from that version.
I’m not familiar with any Qur’an that is a completely different version, as in, completely different Suras, Ayas, and words that would give a different meaning.
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“”Is it really legitimate or reasonable to take one holy book among many and simply declare a priori it is a near infallible source of truth while ignoring the bible, Torah etc which are declared equally valid and truthful by their adherents to the exclusion of the koran? I know some muslims think the bible etc has been tampered with but its the attitude I speak to.””
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The Gospels and the Torah are accepted to have a legitimate divine source, but the books that we have now are not accepted as legitimate because of human additions/subtractions to the original text – That’s why all Muslim scholars reject them; also a large chunk of Christian and Jewish historians/Scholars agree that the text has been changed.
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“”Frankly I do not recall saying anything in reference to Muhammads wealth or lack of it until you mentioned it previously and am nonplussed as to what this is supposed to indicate?? Please elaborate. Muslims regardless clearly benefited from jihad gaining territory, slaves and wealth although again not sure we’re you’re heading here???””
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“”Excuse me, I am not the one claiming to possess the truth based upon my feelings and faith which is proof of nothing (re: hadith etc constituting proof of anything see above) Consider, if the koran and hadith are accurate and say we were created but the evidence on the ground says we evolved who is right? Who or what is the ultimate arbitor of such things? Your feelings/opinions about koranic accuracy or the objective evidence?””
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I appreciate the questions but this is not the topic at hand; I belief in the Qur’an has nothing to do with feelings or hunches. Muslim belief in creation, and belief in evolution is quite different from Christian and Jewish beliefs – These are complex subjects.
The arbiter for me is the Qur’an and Science.
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“”I am well aware of my ignorance and do not need reminding of the fact I am flawed and limited human being just like the judaic deity supposedly made me. It has been said that a scientist will read many books in their lifetime and by the end still think they have lots to learn, a religious fundamentalist reads one book and thinks they know everything, Who then is truly ignorant?””
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Yes indeed, all human beings are ignorant and we spend our entire lives learning; I’m not speaking to you in that sense, but specifically about Prophet Muhammad.
I’m not a religious fundamentalist, nor have I read the Qur’an alone and decided that I don’t need to learn anything else.
Ever since I realized that I’m gay, and told by the Imam of my Mosque that I can’t be Muslim and gay because the Qur’an says so, I hope to read it cover to cover to find out if its true. I had to read the Prophet’s biography to see if it’s true that he forbade homosexuality and actually prescribed death for men in particular.
What I found was remarkably not so. Then you have no choice but to jump into Muslim history and find out why were some verses interpreted as such, and why the Hadiths that are against male homosexuality are used as a hammer against gay Muslims.
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“”Frankly I do not recall saying anything in reference to Muhammads wealth or lack of it until you mentioned it previously and am nonplussed as to what this is supposed to indicate?? Please elaborate. Muslims regardless clearly benefited from jihad gaining territory, slaves and wealth although again not sure we’re you’re heading here???””
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Forgive me, I thought you were the person who posted about the “wealth” of the Prophet, it was my mistake it was someone else.
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“”Well thank you for that small condescension but how precisely do you hope to achieve change if one is not permitted to criticise the beliefs (i.e. OPINIONS) of others for fear of hurting their feelings?””
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I apologize for being condescending; I do agree that beliefs, whether religious or secular should be criticized, I have no qualms with that. I use the Qur’an and Hadith all the time to criticize Muslim beliefs about homosexuality all the time, be it with my father, some members of my family, and the broader Muslim community around me, or online.
God in the Qur’an says “I have shown you the truth from falsehood; you are welcome to believe, and you are welcome not to believe”
ISIS/Al-Qaida says “you are not welcome to believe, you are welcome to believe what I tell you to believe”
If you don’t have a working knowledge of the Qur’an, you won’t be able to change hearts and minds, and have a true effect on people’s culture. That’s what i’m doing with my own community.
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“”How many gays must suffer execution, imprisonment in Muslim (and other theocratic orientated countries e.g. Uganda, Nigeria) while we wait for the dear superstitious primates to come round?””
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Uganda is a Christian majority country, and Nigeria isn’t exactly a working functioning country either; I disagree with you that gay men and woman are executed in most Muslim nations even though I do agree with you that many get imprisonment, and I think its horrible. The only way to change that is to talk to them. I know it’s a slow grueling process, and it doesn’t help that those countries (Arab Muslim nations) are also dictatorships, but that’s what we need to do.
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“”Yes, there are a number of women leaders in Muslim countries (brilliant!) but there are also a distressing number of Muslim majority countries where this is emphatically not the case e.g. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan) and justified on religious grounds.””
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With respect to you, but Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan are not exactly fair examples – I’ve been to Saudi Arabia and I found it to be extremely different, closed, rigid, and unpleasant – It’s a Bedouin society with the trappings of modernity. Saudis themselves hate being in their nation because it’s such a bizzaro world.
Afghanistan is……………………………….well its Afghanistan.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@Juanjo: Thank you for the kind words, and I do look forward to a future where we no longer have to kill one another as a method of negotiating political outcomes.
We as westerners are free; we should use our freedom to be more alert, knowledgeable, compassionate, understanding, and strong – Many Saudis, who come to Canada and study, usually leave changed – They want a country and a society similar to ours but with an Arab flavor to it – They don’t want the Salafi fundamentalist version of Islam they have back home, because it’s suffocating.
I don’t blame them, and we, as westerners, should understand that.
Ogre Magi
@Hussain-TheCanadian: islam and christianity are two rotten nuts from the same tree
Hussain-TheCanadian
@dwes09: I’m glad you had alot of fun, I did as well, and I got cruised too lool – It’s really a nice place, and their government not withstanding, its a far cry from the apocalyptic vision we are fed through our Media.
Hopefully as Iran opens up now to Europe and North America, more and more people will be able to visit it and enjoy the people and scenery – it’s also a pretty cheap place.
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
Misinterpreting, no not particularly “cute”.
When “right wing rallies” chant about taking America back, what do you think that means?
(I’ll give you a hint: it has absolutely nothing to do with race.)
aliengod
@Hussain-TheCanadian: You’re simply a liar. You haven’t been to Iran and been openly gay. You’re making that up. There’s video evidence of Iran hanging gay teenagers twice in the last year. Iran is NOT accepting of gays. Neither is Indonesia. Again, there are videos of gangs of people beating and killing gays in Indonesia. The fact is, Christians in America spout off about gays and what should be done with them, but Muslims are the only ones that are actively killing them. Hangings, stoning, beheading and throwing off rooftops… all on video. Show me one video of Christians doing this. They don’t exist. The fact is that Islam is the religion that poses the main threat to LGB. Christians are full of talk. Muslims (Islam) act on their beliefs.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Alistair–Where are you and your family from? Did your family flee from the tyranny of another country? Should the previous “Americans” have said, “stay out” to your family?
Alistair Wiseman
Where on this post have I said anything about families fleeing to America?
Franklin
@Alistair Wiseman: I don’t know Alistair. You tell me. This should be interesting.
scotty
i like men. muslim dude is hot. variety is the spice of life. why limit yourselves? i dont use grindr or scruff or any of that but i know hot guys when i see them (duh)
have a nice day all.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Has something to do with previous posting…think about it…People in glass houses…
Hussain-TheCanadian
@aliengod: What do you mean by “openly gay”?
When you say “Iran not accepting of gays” – Who is “Iran” exactly?
As for Muslims killings guys, and videos of such – only ISIS and some crazy Iraqi Militias has murdered gay people – is this what you are referring to?
As for Indonesia, you do realize its a giant country with a population of over 260 million people right?
Quingcess
I love going through these comments. It’s pure gold.
Vartan X.
Watching gays defend Islam is quite hilarious.
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
Instead of playing word games, as I don’t know what the hell you are talking about, can you please quote what I posted?
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
You stated, “Listen to the words being shouted at right wing rallies across America. People are saying things like ‘This is our country’ and ‘We need to take America back.” These people are saying it, and they really mean it. They believe that this is their country and you don’t belong.”
Your above post is accurate except for the last 3 words – “you don’t belong”. You actually used those 3 words in your post twice. Problem is, no one ever said them or implied them even when the phrase has been used numerous times by liberals.
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
(I have to separate these posts due to Queerty censorship.}
Since “right wing rallies” have not happened in several years, I’m certain you are referring to when they did back in 2009. “Take Back America” was the battle cry of the Tea Party Movement. The Tea Party started as a reaction to the lies and failures of Obamacare. (Still failing in 2015!) It originally meant taking back our country from an out-of-control Obama administration, deaf to the will of the American people and aggressively forcing soci@lism down our throats.
Alistair Wiseman
@Franklin:
In many ways the Republicans have achieved their goal when considering Republicans now have:
A majority in the House
A majority in the Senate
A majority of the state governorships
A majority of the state legislatures
Thanks to Obama, since taking office, the Democrats have lost over 1000 elected seats to Republicans.
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: WRONG AGAIN ALISTAIR! The Tea Party was formed September 2, 2004. Obama was elected November 4, 2008! Get YOUR facts straight once again! Had NOTHING to do with Obamacare!
Their first major political rally took place on January 2009 when Obama was setting up assistance to bankrupt homeowners (due to the corrupt asholes on Wallstreet)! What a horrible thing for him to do huh?
Btw…your republican stance on the immigration issue is what I am referring to…Now do you understand? Republicans want the borders closed and immigrants turned away. NOW, think about your family, and how they could have been turned away when THEY fled tyranny? Not a very good pill to swallow huh? Do you understand the glass house example now?
Alistair Wiseman
@youarekiddingme:
WRONG AGAIN YOUAREKIDDINGME! Tea Party.ORG was formed September 2, 2004. Obama was elected November 4, 2008! The Tea Party MOVEMENT was not active until 2009! Get YOUR facts straight once again! (Link provided below.)
You stated,”Btw…your republican stance on the immigration issue is what I am referring to…”
What is my stance on the immigration issue? I’ve never asked anything of you until my last post when I asked, “…can you please quote what I posted.”
Still waiting….
http://www.infoplease.com/us/government/tea-party-history.html
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Alistair, you can’t be that dense can you? I have NO idea what infoplease is but try the organization’s own website for their inseption date: http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/ The date is SEPTEMBER 2, 2004! Wake the Fuck Up!
As I said to you DUH, “THEIR FIRST MAJOR POLITICAL RALLY WAS ON JANUARY 2009…WHEN OBAMA WAS SETTING UP ASSISTANCE TO BANKRUPT HOMEOWNERS…” (You’re arguing with me about 2009 and I provided the listed quote in my above statement, where I SAID 2009–read next time).
So, you are arguing with me about something that is historically/factually correct with the Tea Party’s own reords. The date they were formed and the date of their first major political rally (which was a fucked up position btw because they were protesting against homeowners who were screwed by Wallstreet (and the Fed who should have protected them in the first place).
Your stance on immigration…You have stated on NUMEROUS OCCASIONS that you are a REPUBLICAN! Now, go to their website and check the repulican stance on IMMIGRATION! Now, I ask again, did your family flee tyranny from another country to come to the America (Mr. Republican)?
Still Waiting (What a stupid comment)! Like I sit and wait by the computer for your idiotic, uneducated responses…
youarekiddingme
@Alistair Wiseman: Oh, and who was in office during the Wallstreet Fuckup by the way? Was that your republican buddy…George W. Bush!