‘It claims that gay people have no right to marry … That is so out of line with Obama’s campaign platform that it is staggering’

I will never understand how other people have the right to vote on whether or not I get to marry the person I love. We are a country run by a religious regime, like middle eastern countries run by their religious laws. no difference, except that we aren’t thrown in prison for going against the bible…yet.

So I guess that the next bill in CA. to pass is one denying Mormons the right to marry. I mean if our rights can be taken away by a simple majority, I’m guessing there area lot of other groups that could suffer the same fate.

This position the DOJ is taking is just off the charts ridiculous. They are being advasarial to gay rights under a president who campaigned to get our vote. Fine, if it’s like this in 4 years, the GOP would have to put up somebody really aweful to not have me make a protest vote. (Ok, so if Palin Runs all bets are off because I’d rather cut my hand off than pull the lever for her)

@John: Make no doubt about it we ARE NOT a country ran by a religious regime. If we were, we would still be throwing men and women in jail for fornication and sodomy. We are a nation ran by rich white straight hypocritical bigoted politicians that fight for their right to get away with just about everything and oppress all minorities every chance they can get without losing public face.

@galefan2004: Ever hear of a little case called Lawrence v. Texas, decided 6 years ago this week? I’ll give you a hint: it was precisely because Texas WAS “throwing men and women in jail for fornication and sodomy”

“We are a nation ran by rich white straight hypocritical bigoted politicians…”

Yes, and how the head of that very same machine is a half-black/half-white nouveau riche hypocritical bigot. I fail to see the difference, er, “Change”.

Wake up, smell the coffee, get a clue. And FFS, put down the pitcher of Obama-Aide.

it was 700 years ago that king henry enacted a law(1500′s) that made homosexual sex acts punishable by hanging. that law remained on the books for 400 years(until late 1800′s). it was because of this cultural influence, that english settlers, upon arriving, immediately made laws about this same issue with different punishments. it was because of this cultural influence in england, where there is no seperation of church and state(the queen is head of the church), english translators transposed the term “homosexual” directly into scripture in spite of the words of the phrase it was transposed for, and they did it without any written explanantion.

for 500 years the culture reenforced the illegality and the illegality reenforced cultural attitudes. it is only because of all the socialogical revolutions in the past 100 years, civil rights, sexual, even religious etc, that man has been able to overcome the constrictures of his own culture and that western english speaking countries were able to finally conclude after approx. 500 years of illegality , that homosexuality should be legal.(1990′s) we are not dealing with merely present day attitudes but rather generational attitudes. this is evident, that even among some who are gay, they struggle with remnants of inner guilt about their own orientation, and that some gay believers struggle with believing that it is of god.

And lets not forget King James I, who was noted for being bisexual placed act about sodomy! and that’s where it all started. Settlers from England brought that ruling over from England hence it being against the law here in the US. it started with a gay guy! go figure.

the phrase of the king james bible that the word “homosexual” was transposed for (in england during the victorian era….an era responsible for a number of sexually repressive attitudes)was “defilers of themselves with mankind”(1tim,1cor). apart from the obvious, there is no where in scripture where it says either homosexuality or that same sex relationships were defiling.

no one on any of the many conservative internet sites(priests or lay people) i have visited or those of my conservative fellow believers have ever been able to explain otherwise.

@john r:

Ah, not so sure about that Henry VIII being the first to make ‘sodomy’ punishable by death (if that’s what you’re saying).

There’s a great book, ‘Homosexuality and Civilization,’ that catalogs the history of punishment. It makes for grim reading.

the bottom line is that without a doubt according to scripture(scripture never said homosexuality was a sin it was man that said scripture did) and also according to the witness of the spirit…………………. celebrating, supporting, and affirming homosexuality in the same way that we do heterosexuality is christ and of the spirit of christ.

anything that attempts to come against this, comes against christ and his new covenant as well.

i say this as a believer who gave his life to christ in 1987, has been involved in many ministries, including jail(kairos)and has studied scripture personally and formally for the last 20 years.

one of the problems i see in the future is that there are those who are gay who because of ingrained cultural influences, will struggle, that their being gay is not of christ. the human psyche is multi-layered, guilt has a way hiding out in these many layers.

however it is not guilt, but godly sorrow that is of the spirit of christ.2cor:7-10

the solution: those who believe in christ will go to him and he will deliver them from this guilt thru his grace.

@TikiHead:

It was Henry VIII, in British Law, anyway.

Perhaps the Inquisition did something about it before that, but I don’t know.

@feetxxxl:
There aren’t too many Christians who feel Jesus needs to deliver them from the guilt of eating shrimp, not keeping slaves, tying their shoelaces on the sabbath, or not being circumsized.

And there are plenty of believers of many faiths, including many Christians, and many straight people, who have resolved acceptance of homosexuality all on their own.

the first time i attended an mcc service i experienced “that we are all sinners,” and i wept…………………im still waiting for celebration.