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It’s Not Like Anne Rice’s Gay Son Christopher Is Why She Quit Christianity

“My commitment to Christ demands a certain honesty and authenticity for me, and I am moving away from this group of his followers,” Anne Rice told Joy Behar last night about her grand Facebook announcement that she’s quitting Jesushouse. But while one of the reasons Rice is quitting the religion is the institutional anti-gay stance, her son Christopher Rice, a gay novelist, wasn’t the cornerstone of her decision. It was her gay readers.

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Rice also says that while she believes abortion “is the taking of a human life,” she would never support a law banning abortion. That, “and I don’t think laws against abortion have ever worked.”

By:           Arthur Dunlop
On:           Aug 5, 2010
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  • 20 Comments
    • Tallskin
      Tallskin

      “It’s Not Like Anne Rice’s Gay Son Christopher Is Why She Quit Christianity”

      Fuck, what an inelegant sentence!

      My next door neighbour’s dog could write a better headline.

      “Hey pooch, what do you think of this sentence?”

      Growl.

      “What would you suggest?”

      “Anne Rice’s Gay Son Christopher and her gay readers Is Why She Quit Christianity.”

      “Not perfect, pooch, but 10,000 times better.”

      Woof Woof

      Aug 5, 2010 at 11:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • L.
      L.

      @Tallskin: I’m wagging my tail while reading you.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • L.
      L.

      @L.: (And that was a rather inelegant sentence too.)

      Aug 5, 2010 at 12:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DR
      DR

      Maybe she should write better books instead of publicly decrying religion? I’m not going to read her stuff just because she does or does not practice a certain religion, I’m only going to read them if they’re good, and they’ve been going downhill for years.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • uu
      uu

      @DR: Maybe she should decide for herself what to do and what not to do.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 12:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DR
      DR

      @uu: She can decide whatever she wants, but she needs to be sincere, fair, and honest about it. I don’t find her comment to be any of the above.

      She had a medical emergency about a decade ago. She, after leaving the Catholic Church for many decades, decided to go back to the Catholic Church knowing that it had not changed its position in the intervening years because of that scare. I get that, it’s not uncommon. I left Catholicism many years ago, and turned back to it at a stressful time in my own life. I’ve been all over the spiritual map since I accepted for the second time it wasn’t for me, and have found a denomination I can be a part of.

      When 9/11 happened, where was Anne Rice? When Scott Anderson announced he was praying for the death of President Obama every night, where was Anne Rice? When the Catholic diocese in Maine actively solicited funds from its parishes to fight gay marriage, where was Anne Rice? When Catholic Charities cut social services in some states, where was the public Catholic Anne Rice? Nowhere. She wore the label publicly when it suited her (to sell books), and privately when it suited her (in between books).

      For a decade she practiced her Catholic faith in a pseudo-public manner, and in that ten years she could not find her chance to walk with God? She couldn’t resolve these apparent crises of faith? I recognize that everyone has issues with faith and the “big questions”. But she was raised Catholic, she knew exactly what she was getting back into, and she made the choice to return to that denomination, knowing full well there were other denominations out there which shared and addressed her concerns while the Catholic Church did not. And she did it all publicly.

      She then decides to make a public statement painting all Christian denominations with the same brush, and how convenient, just when she has a new book coming out. She wanted publicity, and she got it. It’s too bad that she comes across as insincere in her concerns. She looks like an author hoping to rebirth a flagging writing career by pandering to her fans with this stunt.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • uu
      uu

      @DR: Perhaps she is insincere, dishonest and unfair, but in my opinion (and by law) she doesn’t forfeit her right to speak and publicly decry religion by being so. It is obvious that devoutly religious people aren’t curtailed in their public expression by these standards and neither should anyone else be.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 2:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Syl
      Syl

      @DR: I’m sure she is sincere. As a queer person raised in a conservative Catholic family, I can understand how hard it is for Anne. The Catholic Church becomes like an abusive spouse, one you try to run away from, maybe even manage to leave for a while, but then come back to, guilt-tripped into it.

      It dominates your whole world view. Every second you live, you live for a dead Jewish guy you never met. Demons are lurking around every corner, always tempting you to sin in one way or another; of course, everything is a sin according to the Church, so that doesn’t help any. And, of course, it makes life a game, a game you win if you die while you’re “pure” and loose if God arbitrarily decides to kill you before you ca get to a confessional. It’s like…schizophrenia, voluntary schizophrenia.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DR
      DR

      @Syl:

      I was raised Catholic (you did read that part of my post, yes?? And that I did go back at one point, yes?) so I understand, but… to lump ALL Christians in the same mold is just as unfair as some conservatives lumping all gay folk in the same mold. They don’t get passes, and neither should Anne Rice.

      @uu: And that means I have the right to criticize her comments as I am a Christian and none of the things she has associated with Christianity. I played nice on her Facebook page, but these comment to Joy are just outrageous.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • uu
      uu

      @DR: You have that right, first and foremost, because you are human, not because you are Christian. I wasn’t opposing the fact that you have that right by making the point that Anne Rice has it too.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 3:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @DR:

      “to lump ALL Christians in the same mold is just as unfair as some conservatives lumping all gay folk in the same mold. They don’t get passes, and neither should Anne Rice.”

      Depends what the mold consists of. It’s pretty safe to lump all gays together and say they’re attracted to the same sex. Likewise, it’s pretty safe to lump all Christians together and say they believe in a fictitious deity.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 8:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      I think she is just a silly weak person!

      Aug 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MrEguy
      MrEguy

      I used to be Catholic, but I gave it up for Lent.

      Aug 5, 2010 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • uffda
      uffda

      I think she’s a fascinating personality. On the edge questioning of contemporary reason vs. contemporary Christianity. Leading a discussion NOBODY else is.

      Aug 6, 2010 at 1:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nunya Bizness
      Nunya Bizness

      Listening to her words in that interview — she sounds quite reasonable.

      Firstly, in the context in which I interpreted it, she’s largely making the point that she’s no longer going to PUBLICLY give support to Christianity (“stepping down” from her acknowledged self-appointed position of Celebrity Spokesperson, so to speak). Given how she publicly took up the cause of Jesus Promoter some years back… her recant also has to be public. Instead of seeking attention… she seems to be saying “okay, I’ll shut up and sit down now”.

      Secondly — I would assume that when one makes such a public display of their opinion, a reasonable explanation would have to follow for it to be understood. Her explanation really sounds as if, in her spiritual intention — she still plans to be an imitator and “follower” of the Christian philosophy. However, she’s withdrawing her involvement in ANY organized religion claiming to represent Christianity; and focusing on her own personal spiritual path without the religious influence (with some open-ended suggestion that her departure from religion could be temporary, if her journey eventually leads her to a religion that speaks to her).

      In essence, she’s not denouncing Christian Spirituality… but is denouncing the public stance that organized religion claiming to be the source of Christianity has taken (and refusing to contribute). In the context of organized religion — if you’re not following it as a member of a church — then in their eyes (especially Catholicism), you’re truly not Christian. So, in essence, to the listening public that she used to represent — her statement that she’s stepping “away from Christianity” would be accurate from that perspective.

      She’s basically saying – “I’m no longer gonna be your PR Rep, so suck it; I’m gonna do my own thing…” in a way that they’ll understand it.

      Aug 6, 2010 at 10:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nunya Bizness
      Nunya Bizness

      To add (I realize I can be verbose… just bear with me);

      I guess I also relate to her statement because I am also a person who, in my spiritual path, feels most inclined toward the core aspects of Jesus’ philosophy — but one who is not a believer of ANY organized religion.

      Frankly, my understanding of Jesus is one of an exemplary human with a very keen spiritual focus and connection (much like Buddha, Ghandi, etc.). What made him noteworthy is the indication that he was quite radical in his thinking; basically being an Isrealite who started a movement in challenging other Isrealites to question and abandon their religion and begin developing their own, personal connections with the universe. He also encouraged the discontinuance of religious rules; and withdrew support of spiritual leadership in the community (Pharisees, Saducees). Quite the anti-establishment type (who religious folk today would probably denounce as a “terrorist” or a “left-wing liberal”).

      That had to be revolutionary, given that you’re speaking to a people who’s religion and language are so close to their identity that both aspects became synonymous with their race (Jews/Jewish/Hebrew). That kind of radicalism usually gets one’s life threatened — so, his story follows the typical negative, human reaction to overwhelming social change: some folks vilify you and either attempt or succeed at killing you… others worship you and take up your mantel.

      I just find it funny that, Christianity through organized religion takes a stance that seems to be totally OPPOSITE from the person they profess they’ve deified and professed to worship; and I’m always shocked that none of the followers of those religious philosophies seem to NOTICE it!!

      Jesus — I like who I understand him to be. He’s one of my favorite enlightened hippies… but he’s not the only one on that list. Meanwhile – I use his example in seeking to know myself spiritually and find my own path. And, similar to Anne Rice — organized religion is not an adequate facilitator of that process (for me, personally).

      Aug 6, 2010 at 11:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PopSnap
      PopSnap

      Anne Rice is the epitome of sophistication & worldliness. She’s one of the people that inspired me to start writing in the first place, along with Stephen King & JK Rowling.

      That said, it is her life. She can do whatever she wants to do. However, it seems rather offensive that she painted Christianity with such a broad brush. She must have never heard of Unitarians, or the United Church of Christ, or the MCC. Not all Christians are anti-gay; in fact, if they were, we wouldn’t be fighting over gay marriage- we’d be fighting over survival.

      Aug 6, 2010 at 11:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dan L.
      Dan L.

      Religion kills. If you do not educate yourself on the ill will religioun demands of you, and the hate, wars, battles, injustice and unfairness religion has started…then you are blindly leading life pretending to not care. Religion IS why gay people suffer and it’s time we start quetsioning an institution that has no merit, facts or proof. It is pure fantasy and fairy tale and should not be dictating anything in our lives, simply because it has yet to be proven. I respect Ms. Rice for questioning that and hope more people come out and question the intent and purpose of religion.

      Aug 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cheryl
      Cheryl

      Homosexuality is considered to be against God’s Law. That doesn’t mean
      that God doesn’t love the gay or lesbian, he does, he just doesn’t approve
      of their life style. It doesn’t matter who believes Gay/lesbians should have the right
      to marry or have a homosexual life style, God isn’t concerned with what man
      thinks his laws are clear & should be followed if one is to have a christain
      life whether Catholic or protestant. The Bible is God’s guide book for our
      lives. Man can think what they want but it doesn’t change what God’s law
      is.. Abortion & homosexuality is a sin period end of story. I have a cousin who
      was gay & passed away from aids, my lesbian cousin has been in a long term
      relationship for years. I love my cousins, in spite of their life styles. I don’t
      approve of them, nor does God but I still love them

      Aug 12, 2010 at 3:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • APG
      APG

      .

      If I could meet her in person, I would
      love to say “Thank you Anne Rice –
      for so very articulately stating what
      I have felt in my heart for years” !!!!

      One’s ‘Faith-in-Christ’ should IN NO WAY
      be tied into the man-controlled ‘Religion’
      that so many refer to as “Christianity”
      (especially that apostate, psuedo-religious
      political-movement called ‘evangelicalism’)

      It took me forever to realize that my
      relationship with God (as established
      through Christ Jesus, God The Son) was
      IN NO WAY dependent on the apostate
      psuedo-religious movement sweeping
      America in the name of the “church”.

      If Christ were walking the earth today,
      a lot of these same “religious” types
      would be the first to demand that He
      be ‘crucified’ — and based merely on
      who He chose as FRIENDS (women,
      gays, foreigners, immigrants, the poor,
      the rejected, the downtrodden, the rich,
      men, old, young, happy, sad, and so on).

      The “evangelicals” (not to be mistaken
      for TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ) and
      other “church” types have essentially
      hijacked the Christian ‘Faith’ in order to
      turn it into a mammon-worshipping,
      power-mongering, “Religion” of hate.

      These people are more akin to a system of
      ANTI-CHRIST (i.e. “against”-Christ) than
      to anything tied into WHO CHRIST IS.

      Their evil has reached such profound levels
      that even people who know and love Christ
      are turned off from them and their words
      (again proving these “church” types are
      really nothing more than anti-Christ,
      self-righteous Pharisees and are not
      even remotely related to Jesus Christ).

      Never again will I waste my time stepping
      into the psuedo-religious social-club that
      is known as “church” or associate myself
      with the political-clique that is known as
      ‘christianity’ — because FROM NOW ON
      — I realize that I do NOT “need” either
      in order to have a relationship with MY
      LORD JESUS CHRIST (in fact, those
      two entities were actually ‘interfering’
      with my relationship with God)

      THROUGH CHRIST — GOD HAS OPENLY
      EXPRESSED HIS LOVE TO ‘EVERYONE’
      (no matter if rich, poor, gay, straight, male,
      female, sickly, healthy and so on) — AND
      CHRIST (not the so-called”church”) IS
      ‘THE DOOR’ and ‘THE WAY’ TO GOD!!

      ALL ARE WELCOME TO APPROACH AND
      TO ENTER THROUGH ‘THE DOOR’ TO GOD!!

      NO ONE IS REJECTED BY JESUS CHRIST !!!

      JESUS LOVED AND LOVES EVERYONE !!!

      LET’S ALL TRY TO REMEMBER
      THE BIBLE VERSE OF ‘JOHN 3:17’:

      “For God did NOT send His Son
      into the world – to condemn
      the world, BUT that the world,
      THROUGH HIM, might be SAVED !!!!”

      JESUS CHIST – and *not* the institution known
      as “the church” or the religion called “christianity”
      — IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE!!!

      LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE – I AM DONE
      WITH THE CHURCH & WITH CHRISTIANITY
      — AND FROM HERE ON OUT – MY FOCUS IS
      ON (AND FAITH IN GOD RELIES IN) JESUS
      CHRIST AND JESUS CHRIST ALONE !!!

      .

      Dec 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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