John Terry, Britain’s honorary counsel in Jamaica, was found beaten and strangled to death at his home on the island nation. And your instincts are correct: it was an anti-gay murder.
Terry’s body was accompanied with a foreshadowing note: “This is what will happen to ALL gays,” it read, also referring to Terry as a “batty-man.” Ugh.
Investigators say it’s likely Terry, who separated from his wife three years ago, and his murderer returned home together. They’re also pushing the storyline that “something went awry” sexually between the two, which led to Terry getting beat with the base of a lamp and dying with a cord wrapped around his neck. This is terrible stuff.
And now: We enter the spin zone. Jamaican authorities won’t be volunteering to make locals appear as anti-gay vigilantes, roaming the island murdering the gays. And yet, there’s plenty of evidence showing that’s a very real problem. Meanwhile, British officials will be more concerned with maintaining healthy diplomatic ties than blaming Jamaica and its intolerance for the murder.
How about we take this to the next level?
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Is an entire country to blame for one guy’s death? Certainly not. This was a singular incident.
But the culture that pervades Jamaica is one where homophobia is celebrated, gays are marginalized at best (murdered at worst), and where there’s no mechanism in place to reverse the trend. That? That Jamaica should be blamed for.
Tallskin
jamaica is a fucking shit hole
But we’ve discussed this on here before.
Personally I’d cut all trade and ties with the place until they change their murderous and bad attitude ways.
The EU gives millions of pounds of aid to the vile cesspit of a country so I shall be writing to my (gay) MEP to ask that they look into cutting this or stopping it altogether
(Now I shall sit back and wait for the abuse on here from Jamaicans and no doubt I shall called a nasty batty boy racist)
terrwill
Very simple: Boycott Jamaica
strumpetwindsock
Holy Fuck…
A diplomat, AND they leave as clear a hate message as you could imagine. It doesn’t get any more high-profile than that.
Not that I expect real change from this, but if the Jamaican government doesn’t offer some sort of response then there really is nothing to do but start applying aid and trade pressure (and I don’t mean that ridiculous beer action that is going on).
jason
Jamaica has some very ugly people in it.
Chitown Kev
@strumpetwindsock:
Yeah, I expect all kinds of comments on this thread but when you start going after the diplomats, I am sorry, I kinda feel that you get what you deserve.
Brian
Queerty said: “But the culture that pervades Jamaica is one where homophobia is celebrated, gays are marginalized at best (murdered at worst), and where there’s no mechanism in place to reverse the trend. That? That Jamaica should be blamed for.”
It’s Religion, again.
strumpetwindsock
@jason:
@Brian:
Geez you guys.
You think people are offering us kisses and flowers in the U.S. or here in Canada?
People on the street aren’t that much different there than they are here, but this is about a government refusing to enforce the law and protect people.
Painting them as demons is not only discriminatory, it is playing into the view that that they cannot change so we should not expect them to do so.
robert
Time for the UK to boot this flea bitten island out of the commonwealth and end financial aid, NOW. 3 in 4 Jamaicans believe that gays should have no rights and its ok to kill us.
As Brian said in another post, this is about religion in the mix.
Chance
@strumpetwindsock: Why do you think the government officials won’t enforce the laws (PS homosexuality is illegal in Jamaica) or condemn hate crimes
Maybe because they share the same views about Batty-Men? Quietly approve of the LGBT slaughter? Some of them not so quietly?
Now why do you think that might be?
Oh right, we don’t talk about religion here. Better to just attack individual believers instead of confront and work to change the beliefs.
But if anyone does actually want to think about the problem and how to fix it… Think on this one. Jamaica is only 29% non-religious, meaning that only 29% reported that religion is not important. For comparison: USA 33%. Your beloved Canada, 55%. Sweden, a mecca for queers – 83%.
Do you ignore math, as well? Can we be honest? It would helpful.
AA
Canada is not 55% non-religious, please.
Canada is a place where somewhat-lapsed Catholicism is the dominant religious faith though, and moderate, non-evangelical Protestant branches are the next two runners-up. Lapsed-Catholicism is a tradition that treats both sin and guilt as inevitable, and allows people to drift away from the Church as long as they come back someday. As for the Anglicans and the United Church, they’re varying degrees of gay-tolerant, and emphasize that Jesus loves everybody. So our traditions enabled gay-friendly laws, after long, long fights to get them. But they don’t always result in gay-friendly people. There have been several high-profile gay bashings this year and many more incidents that don’t make it into the media.
Of course, nothing as high-profile as this Jamaican incident. It is very disturbing on several levels, diplomats are supposed to have immunity from being prosecuted. Maybe this is why Terry was murdered.
On the whole I have a fear of going to Jamaica. If the British MBE and Honorary Consul (certainly a wealthy man) can be killed in a tourist resort town like Montego Bay, who is safe there?
ksurrina
@jason: Us Jamaicans are very nice so stop generalizing.
strumpetwindsock
@Chance:
It might also be helpful if you boys could actually deal with any issue without banging your “RELIGION IS BAD” drum.
Near as I can tell, at the front line this is an issue of enforcing laws against assault and murder, whatever the motivation.
Unless you plan to go down there and torch a few churches it seems to me like you and Brian are simply talking out of your asses without any plan whatsoever.
Indeed, can we be honest?
strumpetwindsock
@AA:
In fact, Prime Ministers Paul Martin and Jean Chretien both made a point of speaking up about their Roman Catholic beliefs not being a barrier to their support for gay rights.
And for that matter former PM Pierre Trudeau (who brought down the anti-sodomy laws in the 60s and draughted the charter which brought in marriage equality) was also a staunch Roman Catholic.
So this bit about equating religious belief with anti-gay activity is just bullshit.
ksurrina
@robert: lol UK owes us Jamaicans more than what we owed them. This so-called AID is away of paying back what they had stole from us. Flea is in very country look inside your own before describing another.
Terry was not killed because he was homosexual. There is more to this story and because the person who committed this crime know that Jamaica is homophobic they uses this. It is time Jamaica Authorities start doing their work and stop using the first thing that come across in their investigation. Anyone will come to Jamaica and kill a homosexual and let it come across as if it is relate to this activity. We Jamaicans are smart people and it is time we use our intelligence. It is easy to kill a homosexual in Jamaica and uses this as the main key to the investigation. I would implored the investigators in this case to look beyond the homosexual activities. This man was divorce look at the wife look at his past activities. It is time the world sees that Jamaicans are good people and most of the crimes committed here are planned outside of my beautiful country.
In the main time I would like to introduce a site to you and your readers. http://wisejamaican.com
AA
@ksurrina: People are generalizing based on the very real fact that gay men and lesbians keep getting raped, attacked and murdered in Jamaica.
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2004/11/15/hated-death-0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/aug/02/gayrights.gender
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/dec/06/gayrights.garyyounge
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6735.html
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6954.html
That is not “very nice”
robert
@ksurrina:
If Jamaica is so full of smart people, why do you still have anti-gay laws on the books? Why does your country have one of the worst records on violence and killing of gay people and there is no public uproar about it? Why do you have so many rap singers advocating for the killing of “batty” boys and are barred from some of the progressive societies, the UK included? Again, no public condemnation coming from “smart” Jamaicans and no government action. Why do your religious cults not speak up? You call all of that the action of smart people? Hardly!
If you don’t like the Brits, who owe you nothing, contrary to what you say, then why do so many of you end up living in the UK if its so bad? Nobody asked them to go there if its so great in your “beautiful” country. I don’t see many Brits or other westerners moving to your country, anyone in their right mind wouldn’t let alone visit.
ksurrina
@robert: lol Robert. Why should there be an uproar when there are better things to consider. Look at what happen to the 91 year old Jamaican in England was there an uproar. Our citizens has better thing to consider about than go making noise about something that is being exploited. I hope when the Authorities finished their investigation then you will see that this wasn’t an homosexual hatred. There are Brits living here in Jamaica. Jamaica is Paradise if you never know this.
I advice you to go and read about the HISTORY of Jamaica and England before you come here talking ok. lol Jamaica has visitors here every day. As for your information the same Homosexuals who are talking about Jamaica being the most homophobic comes here on a regularly basis. As I said have your information before coming here and talking.
Oh boy
@strumpetwindsock: The incidence of gay hatred and violence in Jamaica is highly concentrated and especially intense. Not to say gay violence does not happen everywhere – but in Jamaica it is just rampant and especially frightening. And really, really ingrained in thier thoughts and beleif system. It is just very, very primitive and intolerant.
A fact is a fact.
paulied
@ksurrina: You said it yourself better than anyone here could “the person who committed this crime know that Jamaica is homophobic they uses this….Anyone will come to Jamaica and kill a homosexual and let it come across as if it is relate to this activity….It is easy to kill a homosexual in Jamaica…” Nice paradise you’ve got there.
Chance
@AA: Tell that to Gallup, whose poll represents 95% of the adult population. Then we’ll talk.
@strumpetwindsock: I’ll stop beating the drum when religion stops beating us. And how do you expect to get the government officials to enforce laws when their religious beliefs stand in the way?
@strumpetwindsock: Good. That proves that good people can put equality ahead of religious dogma. That’s the standard to which we should be holding people. The thing that you should be taking notice of is that these PMs had to make a statements dismissing those parts of the belief system. Until they do, we can only assume they follow the Christian standard of discrimination. And when they do make such a declaration, it empowers the rest of believers to reconsider their own “god-given” beliefs. But if we ignore the religious root of discrimination, we do nothing to stop it. So thanks for standing in the way.
strumpetwindsock
@Oh boy:
What are you saying, exactly?
That it is just in their nature to be homophobic? That they are somehow not as intelligent as us?
If you want to start looking at stats and indicators of poverty, education, crime and quality of life, the United States gets a failing grade in a lot of areas too. But playing kind of the shit pile does nothing to actually deal with the problems.
My point is that is that the only way to deal with this is to hold the government accountable for maintaining law and order and educating the public.
If the best you can do is write them off as subhumans then frankly I start to question where you are coming from.
And Ksurrina has a point, by the way. You don’t pillage and suppress a country for hundreds of years and then absolve yourselves of all responsibility when you have to deal with the fruits of that abuse.
strumpetwindsock
@strumpetwindsock:
‘scuse me:
“KING of the shit pile”, I meant.
@Chance:
And my dear, it isn’t the churches who elect our governments, it is people. You aren’t making that strong a case.
Brian
@strumpetwindsock: The “people” go to the Churches. Why do you miss such simple points?
From Jamaica Insider: Jamaica religion is a product of colonialism, African influence and religion imports from abroad. Jamaicans are very religious, although on the surface it may seem that way. In fact Jamaica is in the Guinness Book of Records as the country with the most churches per capita mile. There are many places where there is only a house or a few houses separating churches. This does not mean that most Jamaicans goes to church. As a matter of fact, many don’t. But Jamaicans fervently believe in God and and are overwhelminly against things such as homosexuality and abortion.
Jamaica Religion is predominantly Christians. There are about 65% Protestants and 4% Catholics. The remainder is a sprinkling of various other religions such as Budahism and Hinduism and religious cults such as the Revivalist sect and Rastafarianism. Rastafarianism is unique because it originated in the island and has a huge influence on the Jamaica music and pop culture.
Religion = Homophobia, bigotry, hatred and discrimination. Jamaica is a poster-island for religious-inspired-violence.
ksurrina
@paulied: Can we stop persons from having their thoughts. It is sad that you took out what suits you. Is it only Jamaicans who are homophobic? Looked at the former Miss California. I wonder why you all coming down on my country.
ksurrina
@Brian: Brian leave my country alone and stop spreading misinformation. I wonder which country you are from. America which has so many human blood on your hands or is it England that steal from it former colonies? Now you without sin cast the first stone.
schlukitz
While I have not been to Jamaica (heaven forbid), I took a gay cruise to the Bahamas a few years ago and I have to tell you that the situation for gays, while not as rabid as Jamaica, is not very good there either. Like Jamaica, the Grand Cayman Islands are intensely religious and homophobic. Now, please do tell me that nice, warm, fuzzy story about how Jebus and God love gay people, again.
In fact, it was not that long ago that a ship of gay passengers was turned away from the Grand Cayman Islands back in 1998.
http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/bahamas/banews003.htm
I and a straight friend and his wife, who also visited there a few years ago, can tell you what a shithole that place is. Filth and trash all over the place. Worse than any ghetto I have ever seen in NYC or elsewhere. Cleanliness, pride of self-appearance and environmental issues are not a high prioritis there. They are totally focused on morality, homophobia and killing fags in the name of Jebus.
Everywhere we visited, was under high-security, including a long bus ride into the interior to visit a gay disco under the auspices of six uniformed guards armed with automatic rifles to assure our safety while enroute, plus another half-dozen armed guards at the club itself to make sure that no one would crash their way in and start spraying bullets ala Ramrod style in NYC a number of years back.
I have traveled much of the world, but never have I felt so uneasy and anxious to leave a foreign place in my life.
It will snow in hell before I would ever return to that Christian hellhole.
Brian
@strumpetwindsock: “So this bit about equating religious belief with anti-gay activity is just bullshit.”
I think you are afraid of religion. Anyone who has studied the causes for homophobia quickly understands it is simply religion.
Several people have commented with data and anecdotal evidence and you dismiss it.
Tell us, what made homosexuality wrong?
Kerry
@schlukitz: I wonder where you are calling a SHIT HOLE is it NYC. America has so many dumps and shit hole that they are unable to count. Some of you who are describing and putting down my country has to save for years to come here. I wonder if when you were in JA and seeing the shithole you describe if you were looking in your back yard. Stop bashing my country and talk about the good time YOU HAVE WHILE VISITING. Some of you want to be accepted in the crowd and this is the reason many of you join the BASHING even though you know better.
strumpetwindsock
@Brian:
Don’t presume to tell me what I think, you broken record.
Who takes the money, makes the laws and gives the police their orders in any country? The government.
You want to make some bullshit argument about how it is all the fault of religion? The fact is that the buck stops at the desks of the mayors and the prime minister.
Complaining about how the church is to blame is just jerking off, as far as I am concerned, because you aren’t about to start solving this problem that way (again… unless, you plan to buy a plane ticket and a can of gasoline and head down there yourself).
Chance
@strumpetwindsock: Oh right. How could I forget. Churches don’t tell people how to think. How people think doesn’t affect how they vote and for whom they vote. Especially not when there’s a threat of eternal damnation involved. Politicians don’t go to church and get told how to think, either, that doesn’t happen. Nor do politicians make policy decisions based on the beliefs and prejudices of their constituents, no, that would be far too mercenary and self-preserving. And churches never wield any kind of political power.
How could I forget, when it’s all so simple?
strumpetwindsock
@Chance:
You can read my last post too.
You have some kind of grand plan to shut down all the churches in Jamaica?
I don’t know what is funnier – the fact that you think you can, or that you imagine homophobic will suddenly disappear if you do.
Brian
@strumpetwindsock: See, once again, you don’t actually answer any questions or make any helpful points. So, your contribution to LGBTQ Equality is:
“You want to make some bullshit argument about how it is all the fault of religion? The fact is that the buck stops at the desks of the mayors and the prime minister.”
Oh, the “government” did this to us? That is incredibly stupid and remarkably ignorant.
Oh boy
@strumpetwindsock: Like I said, it happens everywhere and we are not perfect but the levels their are off the charts.
As for if they are more wired to see gays as abhorrent I can not say. Maybe it is more wired, maybe it is just a deep cultural rooted thing, maybe it comes from an inferiority complex and need to oppress others – I don’t know.
All I can say is that the rate of beatings and murders and lack of public and government concern is certainly subhuman BEHAVIOR.
And this is coming from someone who is frankly horrified by the entire phenomenon and the way it is celebrated in so much of their music, that is who it is coming from.
Be concerned with their actions, not our reactions.
strumpetwindsock
@Brian:
@Oh boy:
No, the government didn’t do it.
But how do you plan to change things if not by compelling the government to protect people and work to change public opinion?
I am more interested in the best way to fix the problem than just bitching about who may be to blame.
Again, Brian, do you have a grand plan to shut down all the churches, or do you just like moaning about how badly they treat you?
Because frankly, I think putting the screws to their federal government might be a little more effective.
robert
@ksurrina:
Skew it all you want, asshole, you can’t even answer the questions I put to you in a coherent, rational manner, you choose to avoid them.
Folks, no use in getting into a harangue with this asshole, just another right wing shill of the Jamaican variety. Isn’t it amazing that they all have one thing in common, no matter where they live….they all seek out gay blogsites to the point of obsession. No straight man or woman in his or her right mind who is truly well adjusted to his natural orientation would even bother or feel threatened by us to come here and rant.
Who really gives a damn about this fourth rate pimple of an island cesspool?
Brian
@strumpetwindsock: “Again, Brian, do you have a grand plan to shut down all the churches, or do you just like moaning about how badly they treat you? Because frankly, I think putting the screws to their federal government might be a little more effective.”
I don’t think we need to “shut down all the Churches,” we need to separate those that continue to preach the religious lie that homosexuals are wrong from the ones that put equality before religion. That effort has begun. You’ve also suggested “burning down all the Churches,” which is a violent response, not an intelligent response. Plus, they’ll build new fireproof churches – if necessary.
In the coming years there will be a huge division among religions based primarily on whether or not homosexuality is wrong and it will marginalize those religions that want to continue to fuel homophobia, bigotry and hatred.
Lutherans are close to a huge division with the Anglican Church – because of “gay friendliness.” When they are forced to decide something of real significance, we will end up with two types of Christians: 1) those that value equality, compassion and love and 2) those that value ancient religious lies about homosexuals. Same thing for Episcopalians, Methodists, Catholics and your favorite, the UCC.
Now, for your plan. How are you going to “put the screws” to the federal government? Burn their buildings, too?
schlukitz
@Kerry:
good time YOU HAVE WHILE VISITING.
You’ve got to be kidding? If I had enjoyed such a good time there, do you think I’d be writing about it in the manner that I did? If the travel agency would have refunded my money, I would have departed on the first plane back to the USA the moment my foot hit Bahamian soil, thank you very much.
I simply made the best of a bad situation. That’s not what I call an”enjoyable” vacation, by any stretch of the imagination.
And if it’s the wonderful country you’ like us to believe it is, they why exactly did you save for years to come to the “dumps” and “shitholes” of America?
Sorry if the truth hurts, buddy, but varnishing over facts does little to relieve the pain of reality.
I am not aware of any Immigration lines composed of thousands waiting to get into the Bahamas, or Jamaica, for that matter. The truth is, that many (just like you) are waiting to get the hell out of there.
Brian
@ksurrina: “Brian leave my country alone and stop spreading misinformation.”
Oh, I will leave your country VERY alone and I hope all LGBTQ people do the same.
Jamaica is a horrible destination for gays and lesbians. It seems to be very welcoming for Christians, though.
schlukitz
@ksurrina:
I wonder why you all coming down on my country.
Not any more!
Chance
@schlukitz: And if you do, be damned sure you don’t swallow.
Kerry
To you three guys a head of me Jamaicans are nice and Jamaica is paradise. LGBTQ will continue to come to Jamaica even though a lot of you still bashing it. Jamaica is Bless and God will continue to send persons here. I love my country and I will not run away from it.
Josh
@Kerry: Jamaica me laugh, mon.
schlukitz
@Kerry:
Jamaica is Bless and God will continue to send persons here.
So, God is in the Tourist Agency/Airlines business now?
I love my country and I will not run away from it.
Can’t say that I blame you. I wouldn’t want to get shot in the back by an Jamaica Immigration Officer either! ;o)
sal(the original)
well to add another caribbean voice,i say its badddd simple
sal(the original)
cant blame the ones here who say it aint so bed,typical caribbean attitude,we too laid back about everything
sal(the original)
..except 4 the wrong things of course lol
schlukitz
we too laid back about everything,/i>
Including you sentence structure, capitalization and your spelling.
But then, those important topics are not covered in the bible, are they?
sal(the original)
oh and the whole thing about its the evil west that keeps us down,well i didnt see the evil west playin the arse in school and i dont see the evil west leavin women in single mother homes and jeez i can go on and on
sal(the original)
@schlukitz: its slang lol
vernonvanderbilt
Seriously? Fuck Jamaica. And fuck homphobic, Jamaican apologists harder, unlubed and in a variety of uncomfortable positions that would make a porn star consider a change of profession. I’m all in favor of boycotting that worthless lump of pot-addled earth into bankruptcy. They want to murder our people in cold blood while the authorities turn a blind (but knowing) eye to their savagery and depravity? Fuck ’em. Let the primitives starve.
Yeah, I can be a nasty bastard when I want to be. I’m a fucking American.
sal(the original)
@schlukitz: “bible”??huh?im not a “bible thumper”
schlukitz
@sal(the original):
Oops. Sorry. Didn’t realize you were putting us on. LOL
Kerry
vernonvanderbilt@vernonvanderbilt: lol fuck you too. Who has more blood on their hands more than Americans. Yes my man is an AMERICAN but he is a God-fearing one. You talking about debt riddled country. Is America debt free. There are Jamaicans in Jamaica living better lives than you who are living in the High and Riding America. So because you are a American you think that you are high and mighty. LOL LOL don’t you see how you all has fallen from your high horse. See that lady who killed her sports figure husband and act like it wasn’t her. Well after investigation they all see that it was she the murderess. I hope and pray that the Jamaican Police don’t listen to you idiots and investigate this case without this homosexual label. I AM JAMAICAN AND PROUD TO BE ONE.
vernonvanderbilt
@Kerry: And fuck you doubly, you illiterate swine. 🙂
Kerry
@vernonvalnderbilt: LOL So because I am Jamaican I am illiterate and a swine.lol Now look at my response and look at yours. Who is more illiterate. Love you my dear.LOL
BobP
Jamaica has the highest murder rate in the world. Add that to their rabid homophobia, and you have quite a horrific mix.
Apparently, their targeting and demonizing gays make them feel better about their pathetic existance.
Pass the word to all you gay and stright friends that going to Jamaica is taking your life in ytour hands.
Jamaica’s travel industry went through this in the 60’s when visitors (stright) were treated poorly, and it took several decades for them to recover. Hopefully, this time they will not recover.
k in minnesota
this is unacceptable. Just as it was unacceptable for the world to put up with apartheid in South Africa, its unacceptable for us to put up with gays being murdered in jamaica for being themselves. With all the tourism going to Jamaica, this is a no brainer: 1)commercial boycott of jamaica until they change their ways. there are enough high powered gays in high positions with major US companies to make it effective. I’m thinking Coca-Cola, Kraft, Carnival, Royal Caribbean, just to name a few. 2) tourism boycott of jamaica. Everyone going on a cruise knows someone who is gay. Speak up and tell them not to go to Jamaica and why. 3) Political isolation. Why is jamaica allowed to get away with human atrocities when no other country in the WORLD is? The ethnic cleansing that’s taken place everywhere from this country (the klan, aryan nation, etc) to Iraq (the kurds) to China (the Tibetians) to German (!) have been eradicated. If the federal government and businesses have policies against discrimination based on sexual orientation, why are we putting up with it elsewhere?
Also, Jamaica is a shit hole. I’ve never been more disappointed by a tourist spot in my life.
Kerry
@k in minnesota: You is telling a lie. JAMAICA IS PARADISE AND IT IS THE BEST PLACE YOU HAVE EVER BEEN. Why should they boycott this beautiful Paradise. It is the ignorant ones who talking nonsense. I want to see when the investigation is done then you will all have EGGS on your face.LOL
Kerry
@BobP: You are the one who is Pathetic. I also wonder why the attack on us. Are we the only COUNTRY that is homophobic. Why don’t you all go and look at your sins before coming to talk about Jamaica. The highest murder rate I wonder if America is giving their correct Murder rate Statistic. What do you want to do come to Jamaica to Hug and Kiss in front of our children HELL NO. Keep your sexual appetite in your closet. Most of my best friends are HOMOSEXUAL on the internet. I don’t see their sexual appetite I see their personalities. Leave my country and it’s citizens alone.
sal(the original)
@Kerry: “Most of my best friends are HOMOSEXUAL”lmao!!puhleezzzz!!!!those must be some self hating fools with the kinds stuff you say like “What do you want to do come to Jamaica to Hug and Kiss in front of our children HELL NO” lol
sal(the original)
@Kerry: with that nonsense you speek here you dont help,you add to the ignorance….FAIL!!!
sal(the original)
speak*
sal(the original)
oh and if jamaica is such a paradise why not tell that to ALL dem local folk who line up to get a visa to go abroad.desperate to leave and screw up other countries with their old way of thinking
Kerry
@sal(the original): You see there is nothing wrong in going to experience another’s country. Is it that only Jamaicans leaving Jamaica to go and visit another’s country. My homosexual friends know that I love them and respect them as a friend. I don’t care about their lifestyle as long as they will not pushed it in my face.
schlukitz
@sal(the original):
What do you want to do come to Jamaica to Hug and Kiss in front of our children HELL NO”
Well now, you see, there’s your problem right there.
If you had been allowed as a child to see people hugging and kissing and never been exposed to groups of Jamaican men beating gays senseless and murdering them, you wouldn’t have turned in the bigoted, hateful savage that you are, would you?
And quite frankly, with your shitty attitude, I cannot understand how any self-respecting homosexual would even want to be friends with you. They must be suffering from very low self-esteem.
Kerry
@schlukitz: You all terms hugging and kissing in the way you want to. No way would I want to see two men hugging and doing passionate kiss in front of my kids. Miss California talk against this why don’t you all go and gang up on her.
No man should be kissing passionately it is wrong in the site of God as well as mankind. For your information my best friend is a Gay. A Jamaican Gay
Kerry
@Kerry: sight not site
Kerry
@Kerry: I wonder if the shit that u are smelling is coming from u. You Gays all have one thing in common shit and so u can smell it from a far off. Leave my country alone.
schlukitz
@Kerry:
I don’t care about their lifestyle as long as they will not pushed it in my face.
But, you don’t mind pushing your lifestyle in our faces, do you?
Fucking hypocrite.
Kerry
@schlukitz: LOL nothing better to say my dear LOL
schlukitz
@Kerry:
And furthermore, I do not give a shit about your sexually hung-up, vengeful and murderous version of God that you worship.
Why don’t you go suck his dick?
After all, one good prick deserves another!
Kerry
@schlukitz: Lol evil within you are surely letting you see yourself as one that doesn’t LOVE. I thought Homosexuals are the most loving people on this beautiful earth of God. LOL Well my gay friends are. Why don’t u try to be as well.
sal(the original)
@schlukitz: love are you ok,im on your side!!!
sal(the original)
@schlukitz: …umm maybe u should read my stuff more closely
sal(the original)
@Kerry: lol you’re sooo funny,you have a gay friend..hahahahaha
schlukitz
@sal(the original):
Re: your post no. 73 and 74:
Umm…yes, I realized that you were on my side and I apologized to you in my post no. 52.
Was there something that I missed or still am not getting?
sal(the original)
@Kerry: “Leave my country alone.” you say well be careful what you wish 4 cause you just might get it and with the local headlines bombarded with crime and “proud” ignorant fools its making it soooo much easier 4 outsides to stay away ….
Kerry
@sal(the original): Yes I have gay friends. Most of my friends are gays. You see meeting persons on the internet allow you to appreciate human beings. With all the ramblings etc we should always remember that God gave us choices to make. Jesus says there are two roads before you pick your choice. If the Owner of this World tell you this who am I to discriminate and judge. Hugs Sal
sal(the original)
@schlukitz: your comment(65),it was that Kerry person who said “What do you want to do come to Jamaica to Hug and Kiss in front of our children HELL NO”
sal(the original)
@Kerry: is that a hug with a knife to ram into my back “i love ya but i dont like ya being gay sal”lmao
sal(the original)
@Kerry: your poor “gay friends”,they have to take a backseat to a book lol
schlukitz
@sal(the original):
OMG. I need to apologize to you once again.
That message was meant for Kerry, not you. I did not have my glasses on when I clicked the reply button and must have clicked yours accidentally.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. ;o)
sal(the original)
@Kerry: i love people like you in the caribbean,i call y’all “the vocal Christians” god this and god that,ya dont like gays doing this or that and i bet my bottom dollar if i was to put a camera on ya fools it would be a lesson on hypocrisy in the caribbean lol….
sal(the original)
@schlukitz: lol cool
sal(the original)
@Kerry: gays kissing in public wont/didnt raise crime in jamaica so maybe ya should focus on ummmm REALITY!!!
sal(the original)
@Kerry: i think gay should boycott,lets see who the caribbean is gonna hate on when they see that the standard of life decreases and crime rates continue to increase …when i open my paper it aint no gay breaking into homes and killing people,it aint gays who do corrupt stuff with our money it aint gays(kissing)who have us fearful of crime etc etc etc
sal(the original)
p.s.to all forgive me for my “poor grammar”lol,ummm local dialect
Kerry
@sal(the original): It is a hug from my heart no knife there. I love you because of you. Whether you gay, str8 that doesn’t matter. Personality is the key not your sexually appetite.
BobP
Kerry is the perfect example of the hate filled, uneducated, bigoted jamaican. They will say anything to back up their violence, even quoting the bible. The religious fanatics there use the bible to promote the murder of gays. Their Sunday sermons on the radio are proof.
We all know perfectly well that kerry has no gay friends, because kerry is a bigoted asshole.
I wish I could have sex with my partner in front of kerry and maybe his pea brain would explode.
BobP
Kerry dear, the following is a quote from BBC
“But according to the Caribbean Media Corporation, Jamaica has now been classed the murder capital of the world, after 2005 saw more than 1600 people killed; a tally of at least five people murdered a day”.
So take some free education and shut the fck up.
schlukitz
And here is the URL to back that statement up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2006/01/060103_murderlist.shtml
Why in the world would anyone want to go to such a horrible place where there is obviously no value placed on human life.
What a bunch of inhuman savages.
jason
Jamaica is a very homophobic country. Any suggestion of a male homosexual interaction is repressed and criminalized. I wonder if Jamaican men look at lesbian scenes in adult movies. If they do, they’re hypocrites.
GBM
All I can say is this. If Jamaica is so……WONDERFUL. Then why do most of them live in the US, UK and Canada don’t you miss the palm trees and blue water beaches??????
All those beautiful enclaves and resorts are owned by WHITES and other FOREIGNERS!!!!!
sal(the original)
@Kerry: awww sooo sweet!you contradict yourself so adorably
sal(the original)
@Kerry: ..if you cant notice your contradictions i cant blame ya for not noticing the knife you ram into people with a crocodile smile
sal(the original)
@Kerry: dahhlinggg tragically i KNOW people like you
Kerry
@BobP: I have friends that are Gays I don’t lie no need to. I am not who U are portraying. Want to know me click on my name and u will see my blog.
Kerry
@sal(the original): U see what you want to. Who is me to try and change your mind.
aguynamedwayne
Boycott Jamaica and all Jamaican products. And a letter/email to the State Department urging them to officially caution all Americans against visiting Jamaica would be a good place to start.
StraightGrrrl
Oh my RIP John Terry. What a way to go. ;_; <—cries
robert
@Kerry:
Hey bigot, so that would apply to straight men kissing women in public or even holding hands, a public display of their sexual orientation. Ban that too, you fucking hypocrite.
scott ny'er
@sal(the original): LOL. I dig you Sal.
scott ny'er
@Kerry: As usual in situations like this, a person from the other side, in this case a Jamaican, comes to defend their position and sounds somewhat logical. But, as statistics and logical arguments mounts upon them, that person lets their true self to be revealed. IE, your comment on kissing/hugging in front of you/your children and how that is wrong. And then the religious talk comes to the fore eventually.
As has been pointed out already, religion, is the guiding hand behind this type of warped logic. I ask you Kerry, can you try an separate religion from your way of thinking… if you did, you would see how your arguments lack any substance in the way of actual facts.
Fact: There is hatred and murderers and it is perpetrated against LGBT people in Jamaica. And what are you going to do about that, if you’re such a good, God-fearing person?
Btw, what makes you think it’s ok for you to hug/kiss your man in public?
Anyway, Religion is the culprit here. Kerry is a perfect example. She provides proof once she went into Religious speaking mode.
gollygeegaygoy
having lived previously in london, where the jamaican ‘community’ is rife, you don’t have to go to jamaica to realise what pure, evil hatred that is celebrated in jamaica and forced onto other cultures. it is a badge of honor to be a jamaican bigot and encourage hatred of gays. buju banton, elephant man, beenie man, you can sing along as you kill gays…for those who dare on this site to suggest that jamaica is a paradise, when in reality we all know it is a sewer, please stay there, and, if you have them, burn your passports.
robert
@gollygeegaygoy:
I hear you, having also spent a number of years in London and I’ve seen the same evil hatred at the West Indian parade, the largest of its kind in the world, outside Jamaica, playing buju banton anti-gay music while the crowds laugh and applaud. They call themselves christians too, what a joke. I wonder why they don’t stay in Jamaica if its so great, instead they infest other countries like cockroaches and spread their homophobic hatred and religious venom on others and they wonder why racism exists. I’m not saying all of them are like that, but the majority are.
Kerry
@scott ny’er: So because I started to talked about God this makes me bad. ok. I love everyone.
aguynamedwayne
Boycott the Bigots. Jamaica sucks as a vacation spot anyway. Everytime I went there I spent half the time on the beach trying to get away from the CONSTANT bother of being asked over and over again to buy yet another piece of junk or bad weed.
I discovered other islands that are much more beautiful and with much friendlier people.
Kerry
@robert: lol Robert I wonder why you all in the Gay world has this hatred inside of you. You were the one who chooses the road you want to walk. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinions. The first I watched a Gay movie it was here on the internet.lol I watched it because I was curious to know how you all do your thing.lol Stop hating the things you do because you was the one who choose it. As i said everyone is entitled to their opinions. Some Jamaicans hate the lifestyle you choose so be it. Are they the ones killing your members maybe YES maybe NO. We all know that you guys are possessive and overprotective so maybe you need to start looking at the relationships you form.
Then again there are times you know that you are out rightly GAY and you go and formed relationship with str8 persons. These persons will never forget how you humiliate them among their friends. So after years of planning their revenge it happens. It is just unfortunate that these things happen in my country. Consider these things the next time you all come down on the citizen of Jamaica.
I don’t hate because I don’t know how.
Allan C
OMG…this is one heck of a comments board!!
For the Jamaicans that are commenting here, why are you even doing so? THIS IS A GAY WEBSITE…lol…I’m surprised the Jamaican government isn’t knocking down your door right now for visiting a site as this…
Growing up and going to school in a pre-dominantly west-indies/bahamas school and neighbourhood, I can tell you all that the worst homophobic bullying I had was from the Jamaicans…
And tons of gay Jamaicans and other west-indie people come to Canada seeking refugee status because they are threatened in their home country for being gay…
I don’t even think it’s about religion anymore…it’s just how people are and were raised – nothing to do with the bible….
Kerry
@aguynamedwayne: you hate Jamaica and yet you are addicted to it.lol
Allan C
@Kerry: Wow…you aren’t even making sense anymore!
Kerry
@Allan C: Don’t want to make sense anymore because u all are talking nonsense. Take the plane come and meet Jamaicans and stop listening and reading hatred that persons are portraying about us.
Allan C
@Kerry: No thanks…have no interest in having to watch my back every 5 minutes.
aguynamedwayne
Kerry, you are an idiot. Addicted to Jamaica? Obviously you can’t read. I said the few times I went to Jamaica – it SUCKED. A vacation there is a joke. You can’t get a moments peace without being CONSTANTLY begged to buy yet another peice of junk or really bad weed. Not to mention the hateful bigoted people. There are MUCH MUCH MUCH more beautiful islands elsewhere. Hawaii puts Jamaica to shame on every level.
schlukitz
Is it me, or dos this sound like a thinly veiled threat on gay people who visit Jamaica?
Then again there are times you know that you are out rightly GAY and you go and formed relationship with str8 persons. These persons will never forget how you humiliate them among their friends. So after years of planning their revenge it happens. It is just unfortunate that these things happen in my country. Consider these things the next time you all come down on the citizen of Jamaica.
At the very least, it sounds as if Kerry is supporting this violence and murder and I don’t think that this sort of thing should be allowed on these threads.
We should not have to be defending ourselves against people who do not respect us and have violence and murder in their hearts.
robert
@Kerry:
You’re an idiot, You know NOTHING about gay people when you state….”You were the one who chooses the road you want to walk.”
FYI, we DO NOT choose our orientation, just as straight’s don’t choose theirs, moron.
Then you said…”The first I watched a Gay movie it was here on the internet.lol I watched it because I was curious to know how you all do your thing.”
You didn’t watch it out of curiosity, you did it out of prurient interest, you liar. Another thing, what you claim you saw in one or probably more than one video is not necessarily what every gay man or woman does. Go check out some straight porn flicks and you’ll understand that not all straights do what you see either. Now its YOU who is generalizing about us.
“I don’t hate because I don’t know how.” Really? Even in that you lie. You’re not even remorseful about the fact that 70% of you countrymen applaud and welcome anti-gay behavior, that we deserve no human rights and your prime minister doesn’t even condemn the murder of gay people, no matter what one’s opinion of us might be. You call that a civilized society, a so called christian one at that? Jesus Christ wouldn’t recognize one christian among the 70% who judge, hate and kill us. Denying us basic human rights is nothing more than hate, you idiot. Another thing, Jesus Christ didn’t mention the word “homosexual” once let alone judge us or condemn us. Its all based on one verse in Leviticus, the old jewish part of the bible, written by men. Jesus Christ had more class than any of those morons in your fucked up country who aren’t worthy to be called christians.
I long for the day when a giant Tsunami rolls in and swallows Jamaica up eradicating it from the world, permanently, and none too soon.
Handsome
Jamaica has the highest murder rate per capita in the world with more murders than you can shake a stick at – and it’s hateful bigoted homophobia is very well documented – the people are poor and largely uneducated – and a large majority of them make their living by hounding the tourists and begging for anything they can get. And it’s not just the incredibly high murder rate, you also have to deal with the high rate of robbery and violent crime and police corruption.
Sounds like a vacation in Afghanistan would be just as enjoyable. Screw Jamaica.
Mr Observer
Listen to the Queens
My Observasion
I am sure this is a love triangle.All these incidents are involve their lovers. Nobody in Jamaica is going around killing off gays. Most of the activity staff at the hotels in the resorts are gays. I have seen gays at kareoka barsin Kingston singing and nobody beat and kill them. There were quite a few gay and lesbian people working at the local radio/television station when I was there and they are still working there. I can go on and on and give you evidence/example of some of the gay slaying events.All you bandwaggonist just get your facts/opinon right and stop spread propaganda. In some cases a gay person may make a pass at at straight person, then he will be beaten. Alot of gay people go abroad and seek asylumn claiming homophobic, I can tell you its between them and their lovers.
The DJ/selectors might call on audience to beat gays but the educated one dont act upon it. There are gay character in the plays/thearta some are happy some dont but the show still goes on.
Kerry
@aguynamedwayne: We are having a conversation here and you are being disrespectful. I am no idiot. You said that the couple of times you came here. If you hated here so much why do u have more than one visits lol. Now you are the idiot
will clemens
@Kerry: Scott, if you love every one then you love no one. Christians always tell that huge lie about loving.
Kerry
@robert: I told you about your hatred Robert it is going to consumed you. I watched the movie because I was curious. You all are queens and your hatred really going to consumed you. Jamaica is Paradise and will continue to be just that.
I will not stooped to your level to call you idiot and morons this is the evil that is coming from you. Read my messages and see if I have disrespect you in any form or format.
Handsome
Kerry, your stupidity is really showing. I went to Jamaica twice. Once to Montego Bay – IT SUCKED!!!! A bunch of bigoted Jamaicans constantly begging, begging, begging, for my money – NON STOP. It sucked. I was convinced two years later that if I got away from Montego Bay and went to Negril I would enjoy Jamaica more. Negril was different all right – IT SUCKED EVEN MORE!!!! People don’t like going on vacation to be constantly harrassed by bigots and idiots. For you to think people would actually enjoy that, proves just how idiotic you are.
Kerry
@Handsome: Stop being abusive. You faggots cannot have a decent conversation before your hatred display.
InExile
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO GO TO JAMAICA? There are plenty of Caribbean Islands to visit OTHER than Jamaica. French Saint Martin actually has a gay night club (open on Saturday only) as well as Puerto Rico also has clubs. If Jamaica doesn’t like gays, go somewhere else.
Kerry
@InExile: Why because next to CUBA, Jamaica is the best tourist resort in the Caribbean.lol
Kerry
@schlukitz: I can see that you are really blind and without understanding that you doesn’t see what I have wrote. Where is the threat?
schlukitz
@Mr Observer:
In some cases a gay person may make a pass at at straight person, then he will be beaten.
And you justify this sort of lynch-mob mentality?
You need help. Get it quickly before you do something you may very well end-up sorry for having done.
Violence condoned, is violence perpetrated.
gollygeegaygoy
ah kerry. sad, deluded, kerry. kerry with the cringe on top. kerry, jealousy does not get you out of jamaica…and if you like it, burn, burn your passport NOW as an act of solidarity to your country, and never leave, stay there with ya weed, ya churches and ya murders. otherwise theres always harakiri, kerry.
schlukitz
@Kerry:
These persons will never forget how you humiliate them among their friends. So after years of planning their revenge it happens.
Consider these things the next time you all come down on the citizen of Jamaica.
Kerry
@schlukitz: I told you that you lack understanding lol Your hatred has eaten it out.
schlukitz
@Kerry:
You’re not even man enough to own-up to your words.
You’re just a little pip-squeak who weasels out of what he says.
scott ny'er
@Kerry: No. Just a hypocrite. And one who can’t think for themselves. IMHO.
scott ny'er
@schlukitz: I think Kerry = woman. But maybe, it’s a man and thus why he’s on Queerty. I’m thinking Kerry is definitely a repressed homosexual, the more I think about it.
Come on Kerry, come out. It’s not safe in Jamaica but we know you really hate that place deep down inside and want to be your true homo self.
schlukitz
@scott ny’er:
Hi Scott,
It’s altogether possible that “he” is a “she”.
One never knows with all the various guises asshats like this use to post their bs on Queerty.
But, for the reason you listed, I am also more inclined to believe that Kerry is just another repressed homosexual who is the brain-washed victim of Christianity, unfortunately.
So many possibilities for happiness in life.
So many people who want to nip those possibilities in the bud.
Stan
There are plenty of other Caribbean countries which are much more tolerant. I would rather go to Haiti instead of Jamaica, as sad of a place Haiti is with the poverty and the conflict, it is full of tolerant people, they actually embrace gays. Most people there practice voodoo, African religion, which was always tolerant of gays. It’s the European imports like Christianity causing most of this bullshit. But in most countries we have seen minorities singled out, so it’s not the only factor.
sekaiichibankawaii
Let’s be honest for a minute here: we know Jamaica has problem with the GLBT community. You can find tons of documents from HRW, Amnesty International, and UN human rights networks. Yet, GLBT keep going to Jamaica. If you know it’s dangerous there, just don’t go. If you have go to a country that start’s with JA go to JAPAN, which is a much more welcoming, safer (even safer than in the US), historically important, orderly, and cleaner country.
BobP
Mr Observer-you are completely full of shit. How typically homophobic of you to claim that violence against gays in jamaica is perpetuated by other gays.
My partner (a travel writer) and I had dinner with a friend who owns a hotel in St. Lucia. This friend brought along the president of jamaica tourism board. She asked us what she could do to get us to come to jamaica (for a first class all expense paid vacation) and I responded “there’s nothing you can do to get us to come to jamaica”.
She knew immediately what I was talking about and changed the subject. She was well aware of the hatred towards gays. Too bad you’re too ignorant to know the same.
If you think people believe your lies (my christian friend) your a fucking idiot.
Bill Perdue
Our first concern has to be for ourselves, by which I mean our brothers and sisters in Jamaica who are subject to murderous repression by a government that totally ignores the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If its government is put down, it can only be done by and for Jamaicans. The US and England have no right to intervene.
Jamaican homohating didn’t spring out of nothing. It’s a product of laws, social and economic degradation, and attitudes carried over from the time when Jamaica was an English colony. (And before anyone has an attack of “this sceptred isle, This earth of majesty, … this realm, this England,” please keep in mind that I’m taking about historical as opposed to current English practices.)
Like Jamaican society much the same can be said about the role of English colonialism in the development of homohating and racism in the United States.
Even today, police and prosecutors in the US (and the EU) are just beginning to enforce the law against homohating thugs and in most cases they still go free or get light sentences.
Jamaica, the US and the EU are all a long way from going after the scumbag cult leader and the politicians who cause violence with their constant barrage of hate speech. Keep in mind that we have a homohating bigot and panderer in the White House and that the Congress is infested with them.
We should insist that US, English and international LGBT groups work closely with our Jamaican GLBT brothers and sisters to aid their struggle on their terms. without injecting racism or big power chauvinism into the mix. Acting like that is a powerful tool for bigots pretending to be nationalists, as you can see from the comments here. The Iranian Ayatollahs use the same tactic to justify the legal lynching of thousands or gay men and boys and to put down the growing insurgency among students and workers there.
What we want to avoid at all costs is anything that would put our brothers and sisters at greater risk. It’s bad enough living under a government that winks at lynchings which are every bit as horrific as those found until very recently in the American South or that go on in Iran today. To take steps that would allow the bigots to identify us with big power colonialism by the US or England would be to throw gasoline on the fires of bigotry. The murder rate will go through the roof.
Shea
Kerry, as a fellow [straight, female] Jamaican, I think you should stop. The more you talk is the more you paint a terrible picture of us Jamaicans. All you are doing is adding fuel to the fire that will inevitably cause gays (and everyone else for that matter) to stereotype us ALL as vile, hate filled, disgusting, stupid persons.
Mr. Terry’s death was ridiculous and uncalled for, especially if the reason for his death, as has been reported, was his sexual preference. May he R.I.P.
schlukitz
@Shea:
Thank you for a very reasoned and respectful commentary, Shea.
Sadly, this thread has gone way over the top.
It is both unfortunate and sad that the actions of few, cause the stereotyping of well-meaning persons like yourself. You are to be commended for your efforts to be a peace-maker. It’s appreciated by all of us, to be sure.
I fervently hope that Kerry will heed your words and in so doing, allow the anger and the hatred that has been stirred-up on this thread to cool down and abate.
I join you in hoping that Mr. Terry will, indeed, rest in peace.
mb00
@Tallskin: You nasty racist batty-boy…just kidding, I agree with you and all you’ve said. I’m no fan of Jamaicans myself, and it isn’t because their race, but rather their beliefs.
I do wish we could just go in there and scoop up all the LGBT people on off of what I like to call “the asshole of the Caribbeans” and take them somewhere safer for them. Then all monetary assistance should be stopped on all fronts to that country and let them fend for themselves until they slowly go the way of the dinosaurs.
Mr Observer
The note in the man’s room was sign by another battyman. Montego Bay is know for his lienency on gays. Terry been there for 40 years. Why dont you go to Iraq and middle east and create a trade embargo?Oh no you need their oil.Arseholes gay racist facist you only have stregth for Jamaica. Go down to middle east and rescue them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/13/iraq-gays-murdered-militias
How Islamist gangs use internet to track, torture and kill Iraqi gaysIraqi militias infiltrate internet gay chatrooms to hunt their quarry – and hundreds are feared to be victims.
Hamizi, a computer science graduate, is at the cutting edge of a new wave of violence against gay men in Iraq. Made up of hardline extremists, Hamizi’s group and others like it are believed to be responsible for the deaths of more than 130 gay Iraqi men since the beginning of the year alone
Handsome
Jamaica sucks! It’s a piss poor pit of a place to go on vacation filled with bigots and near non-stop begging, borrowing, or stealing from any tourist they can get their hands on. There are way too many other islands that are more beautiful and where the people don’t revel in hatred and bigotry. Screw Jamaica, let the bigots rot there. And the next time a hurricane washes over that island, just remember the hateful bigoted words of Jamaicans like Kerry – when they come begging for donations.
Mr Observer
Stay where you are.The less the better. We dont need you.
JamaicaObserver.com
Police said the letter suggested that the crime may have been the end result of a lovers’ spat.Head of Serious and Organised Crime, Assistant Commissioner Les Green, said the evidence pointed away from a hate crime.”I don’t think it is a homophobic attack, although it’s been run in the UK press. It isn’t consistent with the information that we have. It is unlikely,” Green told the Sunday Observer.
But according to Green, while there have been attacks against homosexuals, few have ended in death.
“There have been attacks mainly in the Corporate Area but they have never ended in murder. There are openly gay people in Jamaica and they live quite openly and mingle freely,” Green said.Police statistics show that the vast majority of gays who die violently in Jamaica are victims of crimes of passion. The murders are almost always carried out in the same fashion’.
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Slim
9/13/2009 7:17 AM
Why are gay men so jealous and barbaric…..Anyone out there wanna answer?
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lance reid
9/13/2009 6:56 AM
I called this the “gay rage”.There is no greater hostility of passion than the gay rage especially among homosexual men.THe world over knows that homosexual relationship(among men) are more violent prone than traditonal man and woman relationship especially when it comes to dealing with the issue of fidelity. Coupled that with the jamiacan male aggression and what you get is a result that bound to have fatal consequences.Who said that jamaican men dont have feelings too?
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Mr Observer
EAT YOUR HEART OUT ALL YOU RACIST FACIST only 3mil people living in Jamaica and look!
MoBay airport welcomes one millionth passenger
jamaicaobserver.com
Sunday, September 13, 2009
TOURISM Minister Edmund Bartlett on Friday welcomed Jamaica’s one millionth visitor to pass through the Sangster International Airport, while lashing out at critics for downplaying the industry’s good showing, particularly in these challenging economic times.
scott ny'er
@Mr Observer: Poor passenger. I hope he survives the experience. If he isn’t a LGBT person he stands at least half a chance.
robert
@Bill Perdue:
If you look at the history of religion, you will find that in Europe, Roman Catholicism was the protagonist from its inception and went viral across Europe and around the world and later infected protestantism and people’s minds. Religion is at the root of all homophobia and not just christianity either. It was well established in orthodox judaism before the dawn of christianity and remains to this day,including islam. Its pointless blaming one country for the ills of the world. We need to look at the genesis of it, “religion.” Why is there more religious fervor and zealotry in America compared to western Europe, where the majority of countries there have state religion unlike America?
Just look at the homophobia in Italy, Greece, the baltic states, Russia, China, the far and middle east. Who was responsible for that? America, England? Of course not, its religion.
Kerry
@schlukitz: lol You and Scott is full of shit. I am a SHE and not an homosexual. As for being that I wouldn’t because I love to feel the penis and climaxing on it.
@Mr. Observer I have been telling these Homosexuals that it is not an Hatred but a Lover’s Quarrel but because they hate the way in former years that Jamaica was homophobic they will not come to terms that we have change. I am proud to be a Jamaican and I am also proud to say that at one time I was also homophobic but I have come to realize that everyone has their choices to made and who is me to judge. The bible that they are afraid of say that we should not. As I said before I have friends who are Homosexual and they are good friends of mines. Circumstances put me among them and I found out that homosexuals are nice people and so I don’t put their sexual preferences before me. Friendship are more to me than their sexual appetite.
I just hope that these Homosexual done with their Hatred for Jamaica and it’s citizen.
Kerry
@Shea: Shea I think you should shut up. Look at Buju Banton they stop couple of his shows. Now they are operating as if we killed Terry and not his lover (s) who did it. It can also be his wife as well (lol) revenge never took same time to happen. Not everyone eat their pudding when it is hot. Thank God for people like ACP Green to let these homos know that it was not an hatred killing but a lover’s spat. Instead of you coming here and defending you are spurting shit.
Kerry
@schlukitz: You is full of shit. I came here to see you all degrading my country and I was trying my best to let you see another type but instead you all read what you want to. As for Shea why don’t she read all the messages and defend Jamaica instead she is spurting stupidity. Is it that she is a Homo in hiding.lol Most Jamaicans are. Then they run to Canada seeking asylum talking bull shit that their lives are in danger. They are the ones that help to portrayed a bad imagine of Jamaica and its citizenry. Listen to the dancehall music they talk bad things about person living with HIV/AIDS I see no one trying to protect these persons but she is coming here talking about I am painting a bad imagine. Kiss my ass Shea.
Handsome
Let the bigots have Jamaica. It’s a pit, that’s why the Jamaicans with any sense are so desperate to get off that island and come to America or England or ANYWHERE but there! The only thing Jamaica can claim to excell in is the fact that their murder rate per capita is the highest in the world!
sal(the original)
@scott ny’er: thanks a bunch!!
Handsome
HA HA HA. Were they really just bragging that Jamaica’s one millionth visitor just passed through the Sangster International Airport? lol. That is Pathetic. That airport was originally built back in the 1930s and it’s just now hitting 1 million? Wow that is pretty low.
Here in America just one of our airports has serviced over 70 million. And that is just in one American city in ONE year.
sal(the original)
@Kerry: “Then again there are times you know that you are out rightly GAY and you go and formed relationship with str8 persons” sooooo predictable…just like those ignorant duds that said that if Elton John stepped foot on caribbean soil the people will all magically turn gay!!!!seriously!!!!you guys here shoulda read some of the local articles ,it was sad and flipin hysterical
sal(the original)
@Mr Observer: mr observer pull ya damn head outta de sand..if it so good gimme ya name nah…foollll
Bill Perdue
@robert: Agreed: the roman cult is the most dangerous of the homohating cults because it’s the largest and has the worst history.
The cults are a universal, direct and often subsidized arm of the state apparatus and have been since the rise of city states 5-6,000 years ago. They’re charged with maintaining the status quo and whipping up a frenzy of patriotic idiocy to send armies of men off to the slaughter. And they’ve been used to ease the job of colonists.
As Desmond Tutu, anglican South African archbishop put it: “When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, ‘Let us pray.’ We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
Recognizing the role of the cults doesn’t exonerate backward governments like those in the US, Iraq and Jamaica that either commit crimes them selves, as in Iran and US occupied Iraq, or who wink at them, as happens in many jurisdictions in the US and the EU, particularly the nations formerly under the sway of Stalinist dictatorships.
My point is that it’s not all or even most Jamaicans, Iranians or Americans who are to blame but their governments and the cults that prop them up. That tells us where to direct our efforts – on the (mis) leaders and cult bigots.
In the case of US occupied Iraq and the murderous theocrats of Iran, our first job is to provide what relief we can working as always under the guidance of local groups. The same is true of Jamaica. We have to save lives.
robert
@Bill Perdue:
Agreed!
sal(the original)
@Mr Observer: wowowowow de local justice system!!!hahahahha jokeeeee
sal(the original)
@Mr Observer: ummm the same Jamaican police that don’t compile statistics on attacks against gays and lesbians
Kerry
@sal(the original): oh Sal you are so predictable. Why don’t you attacked my recent message to you. Is it that you found out that all I have said is the truth.
Kerry
@Handsome: You see how ignorant you are. How can you compare a third world country with a first world one.
Mike K
This all seem very “Suddenly Last Summer” to me.
scott ny'er
@Kerry: wow. so disrespectful. A repressed homo and a mean-spirited one too. Sad.
Handsome
Well, Kerry at least you admit Jamaica is third world, though it’s a third world nation with the highest murder rate per capita and you still try to pass it off as a “paradise” and wonder why others think you are idiotic. HA!
sal(the original)
@Kerry: gurlll are you sucking on that K-Y jelly cap again?what the hell you talkin bout?gurrlll i demolished you longtime
Ethan
@ksurrina: She didn’t kill anyone
schlukitz
@ksurrina:
Our citizens has better thing to consider about than go making noise about something that is being exploited.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2006/01/060103_murderlist.shtml
Even if we discount the number of homosexual killings in Jamaica, we gays should be thoroughly ashamed of ourselves for “exploiting” the fact that five people a day, according to the BBC, are murdered on that tiny island.
Perhaps ksurina might like to inform us as to what better things the citizens have to consider? More reasons and more efficient ways, perhaps, in which to murder people?
Don’t let the fact that Jamaica has earned the dubious distinction of being the murder capital of the world.
Why not try to best your own record, you clown?
Shea
@Kerry:
In all honesty, I am not necessarily against ALL the things you have said in your posts. What I am against is particularly your tone. It’s the way you are bringing your points across that really irks me if anything. I think coming on a gay site and using your approach to try to paint Jamaica in a positive light is ONLY doing more harm than good.
I agree that it could indeed be his lover that killed him. This does happen in Jamaica.
And no, I am not a closet homosexual or whatever it is you previously assumed.
As I stated already, if in fact he was killed because of his orientation (which IS a possibility, let’s not pretend that it isn’t) that would be disgusting. At the end of the day, this man died for no good reason. NONE.
tjr101
Homophobia is not just a problem in Jamaica, it is prevalent throughout the English speaking caribbean. It’s only in Jamaica where the violence towards gays is so brazen and even celebrated.
They have homophobic laws on the books dating back to colonialism. The Jamaican government has no intension of changing this. Many of their musical artists use words like “Batty Boy” and “Chi Chi man” in their music as derogatory slurs towards homosexuals. Homophobia is ingrained in Jamaican culture, don’t expect anything to change.
I have many Jamaican friends some of them gay and they are very loving and accepting people. Kerry makes a mockery of this with “her” ignorant comments. However, saying Jamaica is a paradise is like saying a latrine is a mansion.
Kerry
@Handsome: You are the idiot. So because it is not a first world country it is not paradise. OMG your brain is repressed. Jamaica is Paradise. Don’t you see what you were comparing Visitors Arrival. You are the one who is a damn fool. How can you compare Visitors Arrival of America with Jamaica. I can see that being a queer make your brain upside down.
Kerry
@tjr101: I wonder what is wrong in saying that Jamaica is a paradise. I believe that you all need to stop degrading Jamaica. Don’t Americans have good to say about America even through murder, rape etc happen there daily. Even though their Former President went down to Iraq and do bad things do you hear them talking bad about America. Why the hell should I talk bad about my country. Jamaica is paradise did you hear me telling you that Jamaicans are paradise. You are all reading with your ass in the air. Jamaica is Paradise.
tjr101
@Kerry: “Jamaica is paradise did you hear me telling you that Jamaicans are paradise.”
You’re a bit on the slow side aren’t you?
Kerry
@schlukitz: Foreign press never painted a good thing about Jamaica. See we are doing well in sport and they are trying their best to say that we are running with drugs. What do you expect them to say. Schlukitz you need to go and find something to play with. You was unable to manage Kerry why do u think you can manage Ksurrina. What the BBC need to do is advocate for the Queen to pay what England owed Jamaica.
Kerry
@tjr101: that fight was not yours. Why don’t you stick to yours. You are the one on the slow side.
tjr101
@Kerry: “that fight was not yours. Why don’t you stick to yours. You are the one on the slow side.”
You were responding to my post weren’t you? And we use english on this site not “Jamaican” Your grammar is awful.
Paul
@strumpetwindsock:
I am Jamaican, and I say that Jamaicans are stupid. Look, when I left Jamaica in 1979, it was 2 Ja dollars to 1 US$. Now it’s 90 Jamaican dollars to 1 US dollar? give me a break. Jamaica has so many natural resources, and it’s there ignorance and ineptitude that allow foreign companies to come and rape the resources.
Jamaica is too religious, and what is the religion buying them? One of the worst crime rates in the world, rampant poverty, illiteracy.
scott ny'er
@tjr101: good post. Really, by now, everyone should just ignore CrazyKerry. It’s obvious, there’s only 2 brain cells and they are just fighting with each other.
Even tho there are nice Jamaicans and so forth, I just can’t see why any LGBT would want to go there and possibly be assaulted. If you want to go to an Island-like resort there are other choices that cater to LGBT or are at least LGBT friendly.
I feel very bad for the gay Jamaicans living there and hope they stay safe.
scott ny'er
@Paul: Uh oh. CrazyKerry is going to be all over you now, like she did to Shea.
schlukitz
@Kerry:
I am sure that you are speaking about something that has something to do with something.
I’m just not certain what that might be?
schlukitz
@scott ny’er:
It’s obvious, there’s only 2 brain cells and they are just fighting with each other.
And a knock-down, drag-out battle it is! ;o)
Mary Taylor
for all the hating and bitching, at we have to remember that whomever killed John terry needs to be brought to account
Landon Bryce
S.f. Weekly’s Eric Arnold wrote a dishonest piece last week attacking the gay community for attempts to prevent Buju Banton from performing in the United States:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/2009/09/threat_of_gay_protest_forces_b.php
Pleas contact S.F. Weekly and Eric Arnold and insist that a follow up be published which deals covers Mr. Terry’s murder and the attempts by the Jamaican government to cover up the fact that gays in Jamaica are treated exactly as Mr. Banton wants them to be.
Allan
@ksurrina: Jamaica sucks ass and smells like shit. Most of the people are uneducated idiots. Boycott Jamaica in every way! Fuck you, Jamaicans! Yes, ALL of you can just fucking die. If the rest of the world is lucky your cowardice will lead to epidemics of heterosexual AIDS and the plague and you will all rot to death. You’re so filthy you are breaking your own dicks while dancing (daggering). Keep killing gays you motherfuckers and we’ll start killing your asses in the rest of the world.
Allan
@Kerry: you fucking liar… what was your comment earlier? Oh yeah, gay people are all about shit and can smell it a mile away… You are a liar, a hypocrite and you should go back to Jamaica and stay there, and take all of your fellow Jamaicans with you. The guy was murdered because he was gay, they hung a fucking sign around his neck! What the fuck does it take for someone as stupid as you to admit the truth about your sewer rathole? BOYCOTT EVERYTHING JAMAICAN!
Allan
@Kerry: Kerry you fucking cunt, now you are blaming this gay man’s vicious murder on a lover? And you throw out nonsense about violence? I’ll show you fucking violence. From just what you have said against gay people here you deserve to have your cunt kicked through your ass. You and your entire nation are so goddamned ignorant that you don’t even know why the world calls you fucking ignorant. What the fuck are you doing here stirring up shit when we are here to mourn a murdered person? Shut the fuck up and go away! Every time you open your mouth is and insult and derogatory comment but you are too fucking stupid to realize it.
robert
@Allan:
Allan, its already happening in Africa among straights who have the highest rate of infection.
As I said in a previous post, I want a giant tsunami to roll in and swallow that cesspool up from the map altogether, but first rescue our fellow Jamaican LGBT people before that happens. I wish that were possible.
robert
@Kerry:
Kerry, you ignorant fucktard, England owes you NOTHING, your country wanted its independence and just look how you’ve managed it. You deserve the government you get and have nobody to blame but yourselves for allowing corruption and religious cults infecting your collective, limited brains. Pretty stupid!
Kerry
@robert: lol You are the one who is ignorant. Go and read your history. Damn Fool.
Kerry
@Paul: T@tjr101: So we are in school now are we. Paul you are shit. My grammar is now the problem because you noticed that what I had been saying is the truth. Look at what Shea said and as I pointed out she conceded. Shut up and acknowledge the truth you are all angry about the former attitude of Jamaicans where homosexuals are concern. You all should stop living in the past. Your angry and hatred is consuming you. Leave the Jamaican Police to do their work. You all going to be ashamed when the truth is known and I will be coming here to laugh at you. Thanks for pointing out my grammar problem I will be working very hard on it so that I will do better the second time around.
Have A Nice Day. Three days of this is very tiring. All the best
schlukitz
@Kerry:
Three days of this is very tiring.
Well, you do have the option of leaving, you know? No one twisted your arm to come here.
Hint. Hint!
schlukitz
@Mary Taylor:
for all the hating and bitching, at we have to remember that whomever killed John terry needs to be brought to account
In homo-hating Jamaica? Fat chance!
Why do you think that we are bitching?
Mr Observer
@tjr101:
1)The man was killed by his lover and you are all denying it. You know it you are all cruel to each other especially in terms of jealousy. His lover left the ‘batty man’note as a scape goat. Terry living in Jamaica for 40 year. Montego Bay is a city of openly gay activities and we all know that.
2) A person being gay is not illegal in Jamaica, however the law states anal sex is illegal, wether it’s man, woman or animals.
3)Gay backlash, academics warn—Rex Nettleford sees homosexual debate as waste of time. The increasing pressure for Jamaicans to accept homosexuality and homosexuals may trigger a terrible backlash against gays, local academics have warned.
http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/jamaica/janews036.htm
3) Why you are all on Jamaica’s case? What Saudi, Iran, Iraq among others?
4)Jamaica welcomed a record 3 million visitors in 2006/7 http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000050/005094.htm
The Jamaica Tourist Board announced that 2008 was another year of growth for its tourism industry. The island’s stopover arrivals increased by 3.9 percent, with a total of 1,769,271 visitors. Of that number, 1,150,942 of the arrivals http://www.travelpulse.com/Resources/Editorial.aspx?n=52097
robert
@Kerry:
You’re the fool, asshole, for defending your country’s backward government and insitutionalized homophobia. England did you a huge favor when it gave you independence, a useless fucking cesspool of ignorance. Your society contributed NOTHING positive and beneficial to the world, its a wonder it exists. I hope one day it doesn’t, you included.
robert
@Allan:
She doesn’t live in Jamaica, then where? If she doesn’t, why did she choose to leave if its so great there?
schlukitz
@Mr Observer:
Moot. Fail.
Nothing you stated has a thing to do with the murder or what the root causes of such murders are in your homophobic country. Your commentary reads like a tourist agency ad. A bad one, at that.
Just another attempt by yet another probably straight homophobe on these threads to derail the topic.
2) A person being gay is not illegal in Jamaica, however the law states anal sex is illegal, wether it’s man, woman or animals.
Well then, that makes it perfectly okay to murder gay people, doesn’t it? I mean, they have it coming for breaking the law. Just like in Saudi, Iran, Iraq and others. *sarcasm font on*
If that isn’t justifying homo-hatred and murder on a grand scale, I don’t know WTF fuck is.
Mr Observer
@Paul: Ecomic migrant, look who is talking
Mr Observer
@schlukitz: Silly!I put post up about Islamist killing gays in Iraq and yet no comment about that. No comment? Why dont you sanction them? Why Jamaica? Because you all want to go there and you are scared?
Mr Observer
@sal(the original): Bredren is the same police from Scotland Yard say so
Mr Observer
@Kerry: Point well taken kerry
robert
@Mr Observer:
We would say and do say exactly the same comments when it comes to your collaborators in homophobia anywhere in the middle and far east. Jamaica is NO better than them either, in fact I’m sure straight Jamaicans in general would have much in common with islamic values and would find living in their equally oppressive societies very comfortable.
schlukitz
@Mr Observer:
Um..can you show me a site that that says that American tourists are waiting in lines for a visa to go to Iraq?
The only people I know of that are going there (against their will), are the poor American boys being used as cannon-fodder in a senseless fucking war that benefits only the super rich and military/industrial complex.
The murder of gays in Iraq or any other place in the world for that matter, is as incomprehensible and horrendous as the murders of gay people in your own backward, cesspool of a country, you asshole.
Crawl back into the hole from when you emanated.
schlukitz
@Mr Observer:
@Kerry: Point well taken kerry
One straight homophobe agreeing with the other straight homophobe.
The question is, WTF are either of them doing on a gay web site besides jerking themselves off in public?
robert
@schlukitz:
Schlukitz, they’re here to agitate, its more an act of desperation, just like the rest of the right wing. However, it does beg the question, what attracts them so much to a gay blog site in the first place and I think it goes beyond prurient interest, let alone obsess about gay people and their sex lives. Seems pretty obvious they’re not getting any, probably far too ugly, incapable and unattractive, and they obviously don’t have any sex lives of their own. Most of these religious right wingers in particular are the most suspect with the most to hide as we’ve seen in the past few months in the republican party. Sooner or later, it catches up with these hypocrites and bigots. They can only lie so much of the time but they’re not that smart at it, they trip themselves up, and so too will the idiots and other low lives who come here.
schlukitz
@robert:
Once again, you are right on the money, Robert.
If we spent half as much time on straight web sites harassing the commentators as some of these trolls do here, we would certainly have to question our own motives for being there, wouldn’t we?
I mean, what self respecting gay would give two shits about what is being said on a str8 site?
It does make one wonder as to their motives, doesn’t it>
sal(the original)
@Mr Observer: umm the same scotland yard that released that Lockerbie guy who bombed that plane??i know how politics can be but it still doesnt make it right
sal(the original)
@Mr Observer: ..sounds like they make some wise decisions there lmao
robert
@schlukitz:
Exactly my point. Desperate acts such as those we’re seeing by these right wingers is proof positive that they have lost the argument. Just as we’re seeing in the republican party, demeaning, denigrating and smear campaigns against truth are the last resort for people with no message, nothing constructive or valuable to contribute, in other words, a bunch of losers, big time!
I have absolutely NO desire to go to any straight right wing site to agitate and waste my time and energy, negative karma for me, no matter how much they are villifying our people, neither do I have any desire to be straight either because its something that wouldn’t come naturally to me, definitely not a choice and who wants to live a life of dishonesty, having to lie everyday of your life about who you are? Something that religious cultists just can’t seem to grasp because they don’t have the intellectual capacity for it. These people are wired to regress, not progress, doomed to failure.
robert
Check out the great Peter Tatchell’s article in the Independent daily on the situation in Jamaica. Amazing how silent the Jamaican PM is on this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/peter-tatchell-politicians-and-pop-stars-are-to-blame-1786275.html
connorlarkin
Please go back and study your English Colonial History in Africa, Asia(especially India), USA, and Caribbean Islands. All of the ‘sodomy’ laws date from British rule and persist until this day.
It is next to impossible not to be bombarded with evangelical tele-crooks from the Bahamas who preach hatred, condemnation, and death to gays on cable networks like TBN, Daystar.
‘Dr’. Myles Munroe has accumulated a fortune preaching how the bible condemns ‘evil gays’. That vitriol pays for mansions, boats, luxury cars, USA ‘hate Convocations’ to black and white audiences. He is typical of bad religion in current and former British colonies.
Please do your research before making a mendacious, uninformed comment. Religion and fundamentalism poisons everything, evangelicalism even more so.
Kerry
To all you idiots that think I am not living in Jamaica let me take you out of your misery. I live and work in Jamaica. You see it is those Jamaicans that go to the various embassy and acting as if America, England and Canada is better than their own country. I have never been to any of these various embassy seeking visa because I know that hard work and determination will give one what one seek. Jamaica is beautiful and I don’t have to go to America etc to see buildings while Jamaica lustrous countryside is there. Blue Mountain, Dunn River Falls etc is more to me than taking picture of the White House etc.
Stop let your hatred consume you from coming here to enjoy yourself. As for Robert did England mean us any good. The first Governor they said to Jamaica was a thief Henry Morgan. So I don’t blame our premier Norman Manley to seek independence along with the citizens of Jamaica at that time. England owes us and not only us but all who belongs to the commonwealth.
Although I said I wasn’t coming back here I know something was here for me to answer. Have a nice day.
COME TO JAMAICA AND HAVE A NICE TIME. THE BEACHES AND FALLS ARE AWAITING FOR YOU ALL LOL
robert
@connorlarkin:
Except that Britain moved on and progressed, a lot better than America did, but you don’t mention that. FYI, India decriminalized a ban on gay sex on July 2, 2009.
The real culprits that caused all of the homophobia around the world are the religious cults, starting with orthodox judaism which later went viral when the european roman cult was invented which in turn infected their protestant offshoots at a later date and still “persists to this day”. Those are the ones you and the rest of us should be targeting, not blaming a single country for much of the world’s homophobia, a country that has done a lot more than our own. If Catholic Spain can do it, then there’s no excuse, is there? Incidentally, I don’t hear you blaming Spain for the homophobia in the Spanish speaking world either, and what about Islam, a religion that also condemns us and whose societies see nothing wrong torturing or executing us for it, something that “persists to this day”.
robert
@Kerry:
Drop dead, you fucktard, nobody owes your equally fucking flea bitten hell hole a penny! Get over it you stupid bitch.
Andrew
@robert: “The real culprits that caused all of the homophobia around the world are the religious cults, starting with orthodox judaism which later went viral when the european roman cult was invented which in turn infected their protestant offshoots at a later date and still “persists to this day”. Those are the ones you and the rest of us should be targeting, not blaming a single country for much of the world’s homophobia, a country that has done a lot more than our own.”
Well said. Religion is to blame.
Countries with less religion, have more equality. Countries with more religion, less equality. It’s that simple.
+70% of Americans believe homosexuality is wrong. Until we change those minds we will never be equal. We are NOT WRONG.
robert
@Andrew:
Andrew, thank you. And yes, 70% think we are wrong and you can bet that religion is the genesis of it all. It is THEY who are wrong, not us. The ones who call themselves “christian” are really a bunch of psychopathic liars because when they vote to take away rights or ban us from a right because of their religious beliefs, they are doing it because they hate, learned behavior that begets one ingnorant generation to the next. Jesus Christ never mentioned or condemned us once and in fact, we’re not even mentioned or condemned in the ten commandments, just a couple of moot quotes in Leviticus that are aguably written by imperfect, unsophisticated jewish men and subject to interpretation.
Check out http://www.fallwell.com and you will see the hypocrisy and bigotry of these so called christian cherry pickers.
Kerry
@Andrew: Thank you Andrew.
EA
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214528/The-tangled-private-life-murdered-Honorary-Consul–sexual-hypocrisy-shames-Jamaica.html
hmm, let’s see a guy who’s been on the DL for 40 years and is well known by local ‘coconut dreads’ is murdered. no signs of forced entry. evidence of a planted motive.
yup, sounds like a hate crime to me.