It’s the never ending saga of Kim Davis, and if you were cautiously hopeful the story was about to go dark, we’ve got bad news for you.
What — you think she’s going to crawl back into her apparently mirrorless cave of obscurity once she’s been handed a national microphone? What would Jesus do?!
Kim is currently “resting” at home following her stint in the slammer, undoubtedly taking calls from top conservative strategist goons and reading her baskets of hateful fan mail.
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And before you think “Well maybe that unpaid time off will knock some sense into her,” it’s been noted that she’ll receive her full paycheck for both the jail time served for not performing her sworn duties, as well as the week at home.
Kim collects an annual salary of $80,000 whether she’s working, shopping for the latest fashions or taking time off for a nice relaxing week behind bars.
But come Monday morning, she’s expected to return to the Rowan County courthouse, where we have a hard time imagining she’ll return to business as usual. And if she expects to keep up her “no gays allowed” charade, it won’t be an easy battle. One of her deputies, Brian Mason, has already said he will defy any orders not to issue licenses.
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So how will it affect same-sex couples?
Well, one San Francisco couple has actually traveled to Rowan County, KY just to make a point by marrying in eye of this perverted religious hurricane.
Mark Shrayber and Allen Corona said they wanted to show their support for all gay couples.
“We are in 2015. We are not burning witches anymore,” said Shrayber, adding that he’s revolted to see Davis becoming “a martyr.”
But for others like David Moore and David Ermold, whose viral video of Davis refusing a license kicked off this whole shit show, the damage has been done.
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“How am I supposed to walk down the aisle and stand at an altar without feeling some kind of hurt?,” Moore asked. “It’s never going to be a good memory. The entire experience is this tainted thing now. Even when we have our ceremony, people are going to ask us about it, they are going to say Kim Davis’ name.”
While the country remains locked in on the circus of it all, there seems to be only one logical outcome: Resign, Kim.
But now that she’s fully embraced her martyrdom, what are the odds this distraction will fizzle out quietly? Not high by our count.
We’ll find out on Monday.
Rich Penway
I see her quitting her measly $80k/year job and getting a job at Faux News for double that!
Adam Longwell
She should stayed in jail
Brian JC Kneeland
She SHOULD resign – but as long as she keeps that job she can claim to be a martyr!
Uncv1
Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Wonder what the citizens of Rowen County think about their hard earned tax dollars paying for jail time and chillax time at home? Why is she still employed? Is this an elected position? Recall?
I just don’t get how these crazies get to keep their jobs and positions!
Thomas Laufersweiler
She will if you all ignore her.
Marylou Porter
I wish this ugly duckling would ride into the sunset. I for one am sick of her.
David Wayne Fox
Stop giving her press time.
TheBigOne
I am so sick of this woman, and it doesn’t matter where you look, there she is.
Please go away evil troll!
Captain Obvious
I usually don’t waste my time wishing ill will on people but I wouldn’t hate to see her fall on her face down a flight of stairs in public while pretending to be a holy martyr.
DCFarmboy
Well, here is the latest — she is not even a Christian. At least she is not in any orthodox sense. Her small sect doesn’t believe in the Holy Trinity or that Jesus is the Son of God, or many of the other foundational teachings of Christianity. Her beliefs certainly would not be accepted as Christian by the Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. You might count her a part of a semi-Christian sect like the Mormons.
Funny how theological orthodoxy doesn’t matter anymore to conservatives when the politics is right.
Robert Gregory
Jail time / Jury duty ; tomayto tomahto . . .
brooklynbobby
I would hope that David Moore and David Ermold would take this as an opportunity to show everyone, there in Rowen County, In the US and all over the world that their love for each other is so much bigger than what they had to go through to get where they are. It truly saddens me to think that they believe that this experience has tainted what must be a wonderful time to them. DO NOT LET THEM WIN!! You won! We all won from your doggedness at getting what you wanted and should have had from the get go. Kim Davis is a misguided soul who thinks that she is more important than she actually is. Forget about her and forget about this!!!! Get married. Continue to love each other. Have a family if you want. Put this all behind you and out of your minds and you hearts. Because if you can’t do that. You shouldn’t even bother to get married. You have failed before you have even begun. My late husband and I were together for over 35 years. He was involved in the early Gay Movement before Stonewall and was at Stonewall. He helped put together the first March in NYC. And so many other things. He never expected in his lifetime to see such a thing as Marriage equality. We were able to finally marry two years before he passed away. It’s still the happiest memory I will EVER have!!!!! Do not let these people hijack what you actually fought for! Take this time to rejoice and celebrate! Yes you will have a story to tell your grand-children but you can make it a story of love triumphing over hate and prejudice!!!! And for doing that you have made the world a better place for them and everyone else. I love you two men! You are heros to me!!!!
RIGay
I am not one fond of Lawyer-ing up, but ya know… in this case, why not bring a civil suit against her and the county for allowing it to happen.
Set the precedent.
mezzacanadese
Bulletin for Kim Davis: you cannot just obey the laws that you approve of, especially if you are a public servant. And while you’re busy citing God: if God doesn’t approve of gays, why did he make so many of them?
brooklynbobby
@David Wayne Fox: I disagree unfortunately. Normally when these people get so much press I get sick of them ASAP. But she should stay in the public eye for a bit longer. Why do I say that? Because she is going to be exposed for exactly what she really is. A hypocritical liar and manipulator who is using her position as County Clerk as a platform to deliver messages of nothing but pure hate. People are finally going to see what she is really all about and they are going to start looking not just at her but at her supporters in the proper light. Huckabee and Cruz tied their wagons to the wrong star!!! She already has clerks in the office who have publicly stated that they will defy her and issue marriage licenses to EVERYONE who comes in regardless of their sexual orientation. Do you honestly think she is just going to step back and allow this to happen? Really? Do you? Nahhhhh. She thinks she’s a superstar right now and by the time she is finished nobody but the extremeist of the extreme religious right is going to want to have anything to do with her. Wait and watch her implode!
Martin ZinZin LeBouthillier
I don’t understand why she didn’t just loose her job. Here you don’t want to do the job, we will give it to someone else. All this fuss I don’t get it
Tim Nelson
Wake up Kentucky you got a huge problem and the world is coming to fix it be done with Her!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deb Kerak
looks like she was hit by an ugly stick.
Ronald Silby
So disgusted with this………..
Pleakley
If she were collecting welfare while doing nothing conservatives would be up in arms over her being one of their hated “welfare queens”.
Ironically, they are lining up to bow down before this particular queen.
Atomicrob
Well, if the voters of Rowan County KY let her get away with that, it’s really their issue, isn’t it? However, they have zero right to complain about ANYTHING regrading county finances.
Mack
In most states if you’re incarcerated and a government employee you may not draw your salary. You can’t even use your vacation time nor your comp time. I guess Kentucky does things very differently. In some states you can’t even draw your government retirement if you’re incarcerated.
She has cost this county a lot of money and it’s still not over yet. I do believe there is pending lawsuits against her which the County is going to be responsible for. And if they lose (which they will) they will also be responsible for the attorney fees as well.
brooklynbobby
@Martin ZinZin LeBouthillier: Because you can not fire someone who wasn’t hired. She was elected to the post by the people of the county that she lives in. So she there either as to be a recall vote and that means a special election. Or she has to be forced to resign. Or there has to be a special session of the state legislature to impeach her and remove her from her post. None of the above is likely to happen. Unfortunately. I think that at this point the most anyone can hope for is that she over reacts and goes all renegade on the county clerks who try to issue marriage licenses against what Judge Bunning has ordered at which time she will be arrested and thrown back into prison again. My hope and my feeling is that the County officials will get very tired of paying her the huge salary she is earning for doing nothing and they will find their way out from under her that way. I can’t imagine there isn’t some back door strategy they can pull out of their hats to deal with this and be done with it. Not to mention the threats of huge court costs and damages to be payed out to the people who had to suffer under her tyranny and christian jihad!
Damon Robbins
This circus I’d going to blow up on Monday, I see it coming .
CarolR
@Uncv1: Yes, she was elected. Her term isn’t up until the end of 2018. The only way she can me removed from office is if she resigns or is impeached.
CarolR
@brooklynbobby: Well said! I too hope David Moore and David Ermold marry, in a different county if that’s what it takes. The marriage ceremony, as important as it is, is just one day out of a (hopefully) long marriage. It’s a truism that something or other will go wrong on your wedding day (for me it was running out of gas on the way to the wedding and having no cash on us), but that’s trivial (even when it’s painful) compared to the beauty of the loving marriage.
Ken Gagne
The house of sordid lives….
CarolR
@Martin ZinZin LeBouthillier: The reason she can’t simply be fired is that she’s an elected official. She has to either resign or be impeached.
Lazycrockett
80,000 a year? that’s Jed Clampett money in Hickville Kentucky.
Liz Kimes
You would think that they would move her into another position. She wouldn’t have to loose her job for her beliefs and they could go about business as usual. She could have been put quietly into a closet and maybe we wouldn’t have to hear her or about her again. Now she has her 15 minutes of fame and we will never get her to shut up.
Pleakley
@CarolR:
They should be proud of the role they played in this. They should enjoy their wedding as the triumph over bigotry that it represents. Their wedding should feel more joyous as a result.
Easier said than done I suppose.
Why isn’t there a crowdfunding campaign for the couple? Their ordeal paved the ways so others wouldn’t go through the same thing. If anyone deserves it, they do.
Raphael Marquez
Can we stop talking about that walrus? Thanks.
brooklynbobby
@Pleakley: Well why isn’t there! It sounds like a great idea and I would be willing to contribute some funds to it in a heartbeat!!!!!!!
Mercurical Memo
$80,000 a year to legally practise discrimination? DELUCIOUS!!!! So where are the Log Cabin Republicans? I need a cherry on this sundae of conservativeness and Al-Queda like piece of Americana.
Mercurical Memo
@Rich Penway: nah, she’s too ugly. Can you see her in Gretchen Carlson outfits? Grandpapi O’Reilly would have a fit!
Doughosier
It would be great if that became the go to place for gay couples seeking marriage licenses from all over the United States!
brooklynbobby
@Doughosier: I would only go if there was a promise that she tied to a pole in front of the office and they provided water balloons we could toss at her while we waited in line to go in!!!!! Hey. There has to be some fun thing to do if we are all going to go to a back water town in Kentucky to get married! LOL 😉
VADuck
The judge should have fined her $80,000
The Tower of Power
@brooklynbobby: I don’t think she will be impeached, nor do I think she will resign. However, I do not think jail is an appropriate sentence in this case, because she will simply turn the situation around in the eyes of her constituents and portray herself as the victim, rather than the people whose rights she refused to uphold.
A better solution would be to sentence her to community service with LGBT-rights groups.
I think the best way to combat discrimination is to require the accused to interact with groups of people they dislike. In fact, study after study has shown that people usually become more accepting of others when they interact with them more and get to know them personally.
brooklynbobby
@The Tower of Power: Well as I said I don’t think she will resign or be impeached. I also don’t think that more jail time is going to do anything to end this either. She is totally power tripping on the whole thing first while she was still in the office and literally holding people’s lives and happiness in the palm of her hands. And then to be sent to jail and know that all of those people out there were there because of her regardless of wether or not they were pro her madness or against her jesus complex. As much as I would like to think some sort of community service based interaction with LGBT people is going to affect her I seriously doubt it will work. At best I think she might come away with a love the sinner hate the sin attitude. This woman is on a delusional buggy ride and nothing is going to change the way she thinks. You just have to look at her and you can see the madness and self righteousness in her eyes. And the idiots and charlatans who are surrounding her are just feeding into it more and more and more. Those bozo lawyers from Liberty were on the lookout for someone just like this. It didn’t take them at all long to jump in and become her attorneys and advisors. Face it, she’s a tool to them. They want to be divisive. The idea that more than half of the county is ok with marriage equality must just burn the butts of the evangelical right!! Yes she is going to be a martyr for the cause until she isn’t anymore. Watch you will see. My main point out of what MIGHT happen is that the County officials are going to have to find some way out of this on their own. She is making a very exorbitant salary for doing nothing but cause a lot of grief and problems. Problems they don’t want or need. That’s a hella lot of money for what is happening there. And if this all ends up in lawsuits! Well $80k is going to look like food stamps!
dvlaries
Best be careful of fair-weather friends, Kim. You don’t hear Huckabee singing his defenses of Josh Duggar too loudly lately, nor offering jobs to any of Josh’s large, unemployed family. You’re likely to end up in whatever same shitcan he tossed Josh.
Evji108
Dear
Martin ZinZin LeBouthillier As has been stated over and over and over again in the last few days, Kim Davis is an Elected governmental official. As such she cannot be fired, she can only be removed by an recall or impeachment procedure by the people themselves.
tricky ricky
@DCFarmboy: these are the same people who didn’t have a problem with sarah palin being blessed by a real life witch hunter who has ruined people’s lives by claiming they’re witches and running them out of town. it wouldn’t matter if davis is a member of a snake handling sect, as long as she claims to be christian orthodoxy doesn’t matter. same goes for ben carson. he’s a seventh day adventist and it hasn’t mattered to them at all (mat staver davis’ lawyer used to be an advenstist too until he found being mainstream more lucrative). they barely made a sound of the mormon mittens romney. as long as there are gays to bash they stand united.
stanhope
You folks are giving this fat ugly bitch too much power. Mot the fellow who said his wedding would be “tainted”, grow a pair. You are about to get married, hopefully for a lifetime. You will face far more shit storms than Kim Davis in your life ahead. You are concerned about what people will say to you? Hell with that attitude I’d say, wait longer before you get hitched. Kim Davis is a fool. Her followers are idiots to support that 3 times married adulterer. That leech Mike Huckabee only showed up for camera time because nobody was listening to his ignorant ass. His people kept Ted Cruz’s dumb ass at bay which says clearly the entire thing was stage managed. I need stronger spokespeople for our side…..meaning no harm. Having said all of this….let the hate begin…I have no time for political correctness.
stanhope
@Adam Longwell: if she were Black they would have taken her out at night and hung her from a tree.
stanhope
@brooklynbobby: sweetheart that’s a lot of words for the bitch is nuts and an opportunist…her followers are idiots and her handlers are looking for a payday which they will get. Babe, it’s Kentucky more snake handlers than Nobel Prize winners. Very simple.
brooklynbobby
@stanhope: Well the University of Kentucky does have two Nobel prize winners! Thomas Hunt Morgan is considered the Father of Modern Genetics and won the prize for In Physiology. And in 1976 William Lipscomb won in Chemistry. As for being “nuts” I think she has a lot more on the ball than people give her credit for. Her biggest problem is that she believes her own hype and is fed even more of it by the people around her that are actually using her to foster their own agenda.
The Tower of Power
@brooklynbobby: I think community service would help her. If she’s required to work 500 hours of community service with PFLAG, she might form friendly relationships with LGBTs. Working for an LGBT-rights group helps people see us as equally human.
When you think about it, the main reason anyone discriminates against any group is because they view those people as less human. Dehumanization is the tactic people use to rationalize discrimination.
Now, there are some psychopaths who lack any empathy and will never change, but most people will become less likely to support discrimination against people they know and love.
hsv
Not all Christians are like her. God loves us all the same. She does not represent me and many others. She needs to do her job. If she can’t, find another job she can do. I have a feeling she is going to wind up back in jail.
The Tower of Power
@stanhope: I don’t think she’s genuinely nuts. I think she’s probably a rational but insecure woman who is looking for validation from people in her religious community. She probably has a lot of close friends and family in her church group and is doing what they tell her she needs to do to be a “good Christian” or else they may reject her. It’s pretty common with religious groups that try to control the lives of their members.
DeserTBoB
KNOCK IT OFF! You guys heading to KY to confront her and those mindless idiots back there are EXACTLY what’s keeping her in the news, especially Faux Noise. LEAVE HER ALONE and she’ll go back into obscurity…THEN go after her. As it is now, you’re just helping whip up a church nutter backlash. Your faked confrontation is KEEPING HER IN THE SPOTLIGHT, and that just emboldens the ones who want to use us as a campaign issue.
jynxwm
Ok I’m gonna say it. This woman would not be alive if gays had been allowed in the military long enough for a few to become good snipers by now.
Luis H. Lopez
She will be back in jail or someone will destroy her she has no future.
NYtoSF
Makes me sick . This HAG has no business ruining this song.
Rocky was all I thought of during it. NOW? I need therapy.
You can’t forget once you know. It’s going to take a while to forget.
Good thing there’s years of knowing right from wrong.
Sue them , please. Show her who’s champ !
Zenguy
@Martin ZinZin LeBouthillier:
Right!
I wish one of the many debaters featured on TV would address this simple fact:
If you can’t/won’t perform the tasks you were hired to do, then you should either be fired or reassigned to another job. That’s how it works in the real world.
It’s so wrong for the extreme religious right to misconstrue this as a war on religion. It isn’t about her beliefs, it’s about her choice not to follow the law.
BlueDude
Whatever sect of Christianity she, or anyone else, wants to call her religion, the wheels of Karma are non-denominational. Kimmy is loving all the attention and wrongly placed support, all based on bigotry, hate, and discrimination. Negative energy attracts only more negativity. And now, Tu®d Cruz is P-Oed at Huckleberry for the rally diss. How is it that Epic Idiot Sarah Palin didn’t get all up in this circus?
NYtoSF
@DeserTBoB: Right on but I think their campaign is over with. lol Thank the scank for that.
Edsel
What would Jesus do indeed? He would say, ‘Go and sin no more.’
captainburrito
“One of her deputies, Brian Mason, has already said he will defy any orders not to issue licenses.”
As long as he keeps issuing them then that will probably be what saves her from going back to jail. It is only if the licences stop flowing that i imagine she will be back in jail.
Cam
Just like the Westboro Baptist Church, this ignorant bigot is probably good for gay rights. Her own hypocrisy points put that these phony religious folks aren’t really religious, just hateful bigots.
Just like Josh Duggar she exposes what these people are really about. It’s about the desperation to attack others with them, not religion.
Jaroslaw
There was an editorial in the NYT “we don’t need Kim Davis in jail.” The writer asserted without examples that there were alternatives to jailing everyone who doesn’t “do their job 100%” as “liberals require”. Big surprise – the editorial writer is affiliated with a super conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation. Shame on NYT for printing such drivel, but there may be a point about somehow accomodating religious beliefs. While I wholeheartedly believe in both freedom to practice religion AND separation of church and state, the two do intersect. We have great upheaval still over abortion and how many decades has that been? Unfortunately, I have no easy solutions.
JessPH
It’s important for this c*nt to remain relevant because we need bigots like her to give a face to radical Christianity and show how dangerous it is. Who needs the Westboro Baptist Cult if Kim Davis is giving Christian fundamentalism a worse name.
Jaroslaw
JessPH – what exactly has Kim Davis done or said that is worse than Westboro Baptist church? Perhaps the same, but I don’t think you can be worse the WBC. They say homosexuality is wrong, we will burn in hell, and we are causing the destruction of the USA. Has Davis said any of this?
Jennifer Anderson
its really childish to remark on her looks. You don’t have to see her to know that she is ugly on the inside.
Sam Theman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14C3TZg6NQM&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
Realitycheck
@Jaroslaw: Do you have a job?
If you do, you do as you are told no excuses of any kind, otherwise you get fired.
What Kim said is not only crazy but completely irrelevant and offensive.
She broke her oath of office as an elected official, that is as bad as it gets,
she has violated 2 court order, demanding she did her job. She is insane.
This is not about religion, this is about a mentally diseased wench incapable of doing her job.
And no doubts, from what her attorney has stated, she will interfere again with
marriage licenses, and this time she will not go back to court for contempt of court, this time she will be thrown back in jail for a much longer time.
By the way 78% of americans, and that includes lots of republican and christians feels she should have issues the licenses because it is her job to do so, and 65% of americans feels she should quit period.
She is a total hypocrite if she really felt that way she should quit her job, why didn’t she? Because she will never be able to make $80K per year anywhere else, she is a vile human excrement, lysol anyone?
Realitycheck
@Jennifer Anderson: I think it is a bit more complex then that, this woman (no doubt) had a fun sex life in her younger days, and now that she is old she is corroded by guilt, and possibly she has been also brainwashed by the people next to her.
I see her more like a misguided fool, that has spent a life time seeking others approval in the easy form of sex and now that she is old she is fallen pray to
the wrong people that give her bad advises.
I would also add a touch of psychosis might that be schizophrenia or some other mental disease, why? because typically people with psychosis create things in their mind, and are completely incapable to back off or recognize reality, in spite of all given evidence to the contrary.
Sadly she will be used for political gains by few ruthless politicians and groups just to be tossed a side as soon as the next “big thing” comes along.
GayEGO
Kim Davis needs an exorcism as she is confused with her comments about God when it is the Devil she is talking about! :>)
danny111982
Wouldn’t it be ironic and humorous if Kim Davis were to find out that an attorney had messed up some paperwork during one of her divorce proceedings and therefore nulled her divorce and as a result she was still married to that husband while being married to her current husband? That would make her entertaining on a whole ‘nother level!! Just sayin’…
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
Poor Kimmie! She seems to never have received the memo that morbidly obese extremely unattractive women are supposed to be the Gays BFFS!!!!
Douglas Pfeifer
Stick a of pizza in her mouth !
Douglas Pfeifer
Walmart is hireing
Jaroslaw
@Realitycheck: We have mostly agreed in the past and we probably still do. Your response however was quite overblown considering what I said. Kim Davis is a hypocrite and a pain in the ass, but she is hardly “vile human excrement” however, that is your opinion and you’re welcome to it. Where I have an issue with you is asking if I have a job. Of course I do, and if I have religious objections, I don’t have to work on Sundays; and if the job radically changes (as in the case of same sex marriage) from what I signed up for, I MIGHT have a case. Notice I said religious freedom & secularism intersect. I didn’t specify a remedy, but if you think there is no accomodation for any number of things (as I already gave an example) you’re very much mistaken. It is different yet again when you’re the county clerk, as opposed to a simple employee, and I personally think she should obey the law. On the other hand there is such a thing as civil disobdience. Like it or not, same sex marriage is a highly contentious issue even among some non-hypocrites. That is all I was really saying.
The Tower of Power
@Jaroslaw: My problem with her and other similar religious activists is they say they support human rights, and then turn around and act in the opposite way. Their words and actions do not square up.
These people insist that human rights and gay rights are separate issues, but in reality, they are one and the same. This is because being LBGT does not make one less human.
So this is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights. You cannot be in favor of human rights if you do not support gay rights. I don’t believe it’s possible to truly be in favor of human rights if you support anti-LGBT laws.
Jaroslaw
Also, using statistics is not a slam dunk either, for decades most people thought black people should be slaves or at the least had no problem with “separate but equal”. Obviously we still have quite a ways to go on issues of race and considering how long it has been since slavery was abolished, Brown vs. Board of Education (1954) and Civil Rights (1964), it is no crime to acknowledge changing society is no small or speedy task.
NJjoe
She’s going to go back to not issuing licenses because of her Christian belief. She has already said she would not. I feel all this media attention has gone to her head. With her adultery, multiple trips down the aisle and bearing children while still married to another, she is no poster child for the anti-gay marriage. I feel she needs, required to step down from her position at the County Clerk’s office. She has no business in the position of an elected official. Kim Davis needs to go NOW!
Billysees
I…must be obedient to…the Word of God, Ms. Davis once wrote.
Then why isn’t she obedient to Romans 13:1-5?
1. Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.
2. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.
3. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
4. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.
5. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.
Read also — http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/kentucky-clerk-a-local-fixture-suddenly-becomes-a-national-symbol.html?_r=4
Daggerman
…I am getting a little bit fed up with seeing this ugly shit-head of a woman every time I visit Queerty in the last few weeks…..will someone just ditch the bitch!
brooklynbobby
@Daggerman: I agree with you! Everyone is still talking about the FIRST time she has be released from jail! You all aren’t going to have saved anything up for the second time! LOL Remember tomorrow is Monday and she supposedly goes back to work. We get to see what she does them. i’m guessing it’s going to be the same old Kim we all know and love. LOL See you all at the next go around in the comments section!
Jaroslaw
@The Tower of Power: Where did I say human rights are not Gay rights? However, people of good will DO disagree. People DO find religion and change from their former ways. (I’m not advocating for Kim Davis’ position, I just don’t like some of the hate expressed here).
The Tower of Power
@Jaroslaw: YOU didn’t say that; that’s the position of Kim and her religious community. I don’t agree that people of good will can have the position that gay rights are distinct from human rights. It’s a position that is designed to dehumanize or deny the full humanity of LGBT people. And it’s a willful choice to hold that position in a democratic society like this.
Jaroslaw
@The Tower of Power: There is an old saying, opinions are like assholes – everybody has one. I’m not denigrating your opinion that Gay rights are human rights, and you are probably right about Kim Davis and her religious community. But if someone genuinely believes something is wrong, then it is not “willfully” dehumanizing or simply choosing to be denying the full humanity of LGBT people. Notice I’m not advocating or justifying this position, I was responding to RealityCheks rather vitriolic POV. Notice I also said changing the human condition is a very slow process and the first step is to understand it. If everything were logical and sensible, we would have no mental illness, no crime, no hate, no war. Nothing could be more ridiculous than 5% of the people in the world having 95% of the money. But it has been that way and worse since time began. Governments tax the middle class more and more, and I don’t see any serious protest. But in the end, for this topic anyway, calling people vile human excrement doesn’t help.
The Tower of Power
@Jaroslaw: Yes, it is willfully dehumanizing these people. Just as people genuinely believed interracial and interfaith marriages were wrong (and still do in many communities), it’s quite obvious that their opposition was at least in part motivated by a view that people engaged in such relationships were “less human”. This position has been well-documented by sociological research. In fact, the Catholic church and various other religions opposed interfaith marriages precisely because they wanted to stigmatize those people and make an example of them.
Gay and lesbian families are nothing new, despite what opponents claim, and have probably have existed in various ways since the dawn of humanity. Therefore, these religious activists must know that excluding them from equal recognition would harm them in various ways.
Jaroslaw
Tower – All of what you have said is true of some people in some situations. People as a group don’t particularly think very much. Many people who wouldn’t intermarry on racial or religious grounds because they didn’t want the social backlash. Not because they personally thought it was wrong. So are those people willfully dehumanizing people? No.
Gay people have absolutely existed since the dawn of time, but who controlled the info? I certainly never learned anything in history class about it. It is very human to fear the unknown.
Now I have been respectful of you and acknowledged our common ground, but your responses to me are only about what you disagree with. So thanks for the discussion, but I don’t see any point to continue.