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Lady Bunny Refuses To Bow To “Tranny” Word Police, Says To Fight The Real Enemy

o-LADY-BUNNY-TAKE-ME-UP-HIGH-facebookTranny is an abbreviation for transvestite and transsexual, so I’m free to use it since I fall with that category. Much as blacks can use the N-word. I know tranny from London, where they abbreviate everything — breakfast is brekkie, biscuit is biccie. Tranny is used affectionately on the club scene. Even transsexual advocates like Jayne County and Kate Bornstein have come out and said that these words aren’t necessarily slurs. I can understand how the word ‘shemale’ in RuPaul‘s ‘Female or Shemale’ game could be more offensive, because shemale is mainly a porn term which stresses the male parts. But Ru’s use of shemail [as a play on mail or e-mail] is fine. I’ve used ‘shemail’ on my own site as my contact info for over a decade. It’s a silly play on words to indicate that since I’m a drag queen, my e-communications are going to be more feminine. In no way is it derogatory to trans women. I think there are a few militant trans women who have started this mudslinging and I’m sorry that Ru backed down. The same people who would bash a trans in a dark alley would probably also bash a drag queen or someone gay. I wish we could stick together as a community instead of in-fighting. Because the gay/trans community’s real enemies aren’t RuPaul or people who say tranny — it’s the people who would physically bash us. And it’s the well-funded national organizations whose agenda is to deny our right to marry and for equal opportunities for housing and employment. Fight the real enemy — not the gay community, which has always been the most accepting of trans. I scratch my head thinking how are these trans people going to use gay community centers, counseling, protection and parades, transition out of our community, and then jump back in to police our speech?  

lady bunnyAnd I’m sick of people thinking they can ban words because they make them feel bad. Boo hoo for you! Any time we choose a different path in life, we’re going to get shit for it — whether you choose to be openly gay, trans or even a straight guy with tattoos all over his face. If you don’t have the balls to take shit, then choose an easy path. And for huge gay organizations like GLAAD to join in to censor Ru or anyone else confuses me. ‘Gender bender’ is on GLAAD’s list of banned words. That’s what Frank-n-Furter, David Bowie and Sylvester were — that’s not a slur except to the most precious, uptight goody two-shoes. And no one has ever bashed a trans person and said “Take that, you gender bender, you!” It’s typical of how conservative the gay movement has become. Angling to fight in the military and getting married are totally establishment goals. Now they’re banning words? ACT UP was anti-establishment and took back offensive words like ‘queer.’ If the current gay movement wasn’t so conservative, they’d be listing the huge, national chains who regularly give to anti-gay groups to set back our movement so we could boycott them. But a year or two ago, the head of GLAAD had to step down in disgrace after taking money from AT&T to push some merger. I don’t need a corrupt motherfucker telling me what I can say.”

 

The brilliantly talented and always outspoken Lady Bunny, who addresses the ongoing public discourse over whether her pal RuPaul‘s TV series is “transphobic,” during an interview with Paper magazine

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On:           May 28, 2014
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  • 91 Comments
    • Cam
      Cam

      I said right at the beginning that you would be able to tell if this was actually about that word being used, or if this was engineered as another larger attack on the gay community by the Trans community, much as they did the day marriage became legal in NY state. At that time they used that wonderful day as an excuse to pen attacks on the gay activists rather than joining in the rest of the community in celebration.

      What I said was that if the Trans community got what they wanted and Logo pulled use of the word and then they quieted down, you would know that it was a genuine complaint about that word. HOWEVER, if they continued to attack RuPaul after it was settled, then it was obvious that this was just an excuse to create a situation from which to once again launch more attacks against the gay community by a branch of the LGBT group that seems to hate all the rest of us. At least those on the fringe seem to.

      May 28, 2014 at 7:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • corvaspikenard
      corvaspikenard

      @Cam: I imagine if the ‘gay community’ hadn’t thrown the trans community under the bus so many times to get their own rights through, you wouldn’t have this animosity from the trans community.
      But feel free to complain about reaping what you sow…

      May 28, 2014 at 7:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @corvaspikenard:

      And yet you can’t name any instances can you? The Gay Community demanded that ENDA, which was set to pass several years ago in the Congress be pulled because it didn’t include protections for the Trans community.

      So lets see, the Trans community gets the benefits of all the rights the gay comunity has fought for AND the gay community demanded that a bill that would have benefited gays be pulled because it didn’t include Trans protections.

      Please, by all means point out ANY time the Trans community has pulled any bill because it didn’t include protections for Gays Lesbians, and Bi’s. Oh wait, that’s right, you can’t because you would rather spend all of your time attacking Gays, Lesbians, and Bi’s.

      But thank you for admitting that the Trans community has animosity for the rest of the community. We all know it, but thanks for confirming that this isn’t about anything other than your hatred of the other groups. You might want to spend a little time pointing all of your hatred at….oh I don’t know……right wing bigots? Or would you rather just leave the actual work up to the other groups?

      May 28, 2014 at 7:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jared Suzume
      Jared Suzume

      So you dont need a corrupt motherfucker telling YOU what to say just as long as that corrupt motherfucker doesn’t let people call these children faggots or tell them their going to hell. Girl your wanting too much and Queerty is giving you too much as well. its the same argument from the last post, its not important if it doesn’t have anything to do with the calling out of big companies that have championed our way to rights that have been sacrificed for. Girl please sit.

      May 28, 2014 at 7:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sweetbrandigirl2004
      sweetbrandigirl2004

      Drag Queens Have NO IDEA what living 24/7/365 as a women is like they don’t suffer the discrimination that trans people suffer so sure they can say tuffin up, stop being so whinny. They go back stage take off the make up and wa la male privilege restored.

      May 28, 2014 at 7:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @sweetbrandigirl2004:

      Now YOUR comment is one I can really “Get”. You came on here, didn’t lob a bunch of attacks at everybody else, and absolutely nailed your point. Thank you!

      May 28, 2014 at 7:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Teeth
      Teeth

      Lovely that we are letting this be our issue. Violence, economic discrimination, illness. Did you know you still get fired or denied a mortgage or a HOA membership in most states for being queer? I’m so glad that the gayasphere is consumed by this.

      May 28, 2014 at 7:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChgoReason
      ChgoReason

      @sweetbrandigirl2004: You do bring up a strong point. The T-word is offensive to transgender persons, and not cross-dressers which is what Ru Paul and Co. are. Thus a cross-dresser could use the T-word all night in their nightclub routines,and such, and then after the show, they are able to morph back into their male persona and leave behind the cross dresser that made use of the T-word at the expense of transgender folk. Instead of advising those that disagree with you to suck it up, Ru and Co. should be more empathetic to the needs and concerns of those that are different. Which are the transgender people, which collectively are different than cross-dressers.

      May 28, 2014 at 8:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nowuvedoneit
      Nowuvedoneit

      @sweetbrandigirl2004: No one is denying it’s hard for you, what has happened is that a few trans social media activists jumped at the chance to push their agenda. If it wasn’t for this issue I would’ve never heard of Parker Malloy or Rebecca Juro. Its worked out quite nicely for them and I can’t fault them for that. What I do find fault is that feeling offended by a word and demanding it not be said is bad for everybody. What happens to those Christian fundamentalists that are offended by our very being? What about the Muslims who find a woman not wearing a burqa offensive? It’s become a huge problem in the gay rights movement to censor and shoo away people who don’t fit into what nots offensive.

      May 28, 2014 at 8:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • zaneymcbanes
      zaneymcbanes

      What Lady Bunny said.

      May 28, 2014 at 8:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • NotStr8Acting
      NotStr8Acting

      Thank you Lady Bunny!

      I’m over the radical queer ‘hastagtivists’….OFFICIALLY.

      These radical queer activists on twitter have done more to damage, divide, and create battles within the LGBT community than the worst neocon conservative. You go on their twitter pages and it’s nothing but anti gay rants. In fact, these radical queer activists are SO left they are actually very right win in many ways.

      If you adopt a “divide & conquer” mentality toward pinning everyone in LGBT against gay men and women….YOU are the homophobe and your HOMOPHOBIA should be called out.

      I’m mother effing sick of radical queer activists hijacking and destroying the community, to fit their own self hating agenda.

      May 28, 2014 at 8:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scott Johansen
      Scott Johansen

      I see a great deal of homophobia within the trans community. In fact, you bring up the issue of marriage equality and the anti gay side of trans activists comes flying through. The most hateful commentary I read the day DOMA was killed was in fact from trans activists I was following. It was alarming and startling, but proved to me one thing:

      In the same breath the trans community demands gay people fight their battles and be LOUDLY advocating for trans rights, trans activists consistently mock and brush off *ALL* gay rights issues as ‘privileged’ and are anywhere from flippant and indifferent about gay rights to outright completely opposed.

      It takes point five seconds flat, to expose the hypocrisy in the trans movement in relation to what they demand (full activism for their rights from gays) and what they practice (complete consistent disrespect of gay rights)…

      May 28, 2014 at 8:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      If you truly are using the word “affectionately,” you won’t use it on people who’ve let you know it bothers them.

      May 28, 2014 at 8:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jayj150
      jayj150

      @hyhybt: That’s exactly her point. She, as Rupaul and other Drag queens, have stated the word ‘t#anny’ is also used to refer to transvestites, which include Drag queens. For them, and when used to refer to them, it’s not only not a slur, but an endearing term. Carrera loves saying ‘others don’t decide what to call me’, implying drag queens and gay men in general use it to refer to her. Even though neither Ru, nor any other prominent drag queen have ever called her that. It’s either a persecution/victim complex, a publicity strategy or simply good ole homophobic resentment, that she is ready to let out now that she has finally ‘transitioned’.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Will L
      Will L

      Lady Bunny said it quite well.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sweetbrandigirl2004
      sweetbrandigirl2004

      @Nowuvedoneit: How do you think the black community got people to stop using the N word ? They did it by whipping the ass of anyone who wasn’t black who used it, this got to the point that everyone got the message you DON’T use the N word we don’t even write it anymore we say the N word. Drag queens may have thrown the T word around for generations but times have changed and it is NO LONGER acceptable thus it means EVERYONE need to get with the times and change… period end of story. what do you think would happen if every trans person in this country started whipping ass every time they heard someone other then a trans person use the T word ? I bet the community along with everyone else would get the message really quickly DON’T say it !

      May 28, 2014 at 9:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sweetbrandigirl2004
      sweetbrandigirl2004

      @jayj150: UH NO transvestite doesn’t include Drag Queens ! Transvestites are sexually perverted cross dressers who fess in clothes of the opposite sex in a slutty manor and for sexual excitement. Each dressing session ends with masturbation. Thats completely different then drag.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jayj150
      jayj150

      @sweetbrandigirl2004: To play one of the transcrowd’s favorite cards: YOU don’t get to decide that. If Lady Bunny and Rupaul are happy identifying as part of the Transvestite community, then YOU have to zip it and stay out of it. And if as transvestite people they want to use the ‘t#anny’ word to refer to THEMSELVES, you have to offer them the same courtesy and respect you constantly demand from others.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Lady Bunny needs to understand that he’s entertaining straights fir money.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Lady Bunny and RuPaul are making money by pretending to be women. Some might call it a mockery of women.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jayj150
      jayj150

      @michael mellor: “Lady Bunny needs to understand that he’s entertaining straights fir money.”. Really? What is Carrera doing when she strips down for her fetishist audience???

      May 28, 2014 at 9:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CCTR
      CCTR

      @sweetbrandigirl2004:
      Drag queens may have thrown the T word around for generations but times have changed and it is NO LONGER acceptable thus it means EVERYONE need to get with the times and change… period end of story.

      I just thought this needed to be posted again! You make an excellent point!

      And for all of the “trans hating gays” banter let’s not forget that there are transgender men and women in relationships that would constitute same sex or gay relationships.

      May 28, 2014 at 9:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • toberlin
      toberlin

      My personal Reason why I love the Word QUEER:
      Beside I am so happy that there is so much more in the world than straight QUEER=QUERin German.Queer Thinking=Quer denken=LATERAL THINKING!
      (Google it)…

      May 28, 2014 at 9:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      I agree that times have changed. Drag queens should be shown the door.

      May 28, 2014 at 10:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Wilberforce
      Wilberforce

      The trans community claim that the t word is offensive. But where’s the history? There is none compared to the n word and the f word.
      We have only their claim that the t word is used with hatred. And after all the contempt they have flung at gay men over the years, I think there’s a good chance that they made all of this up to attack us.
      Either way, I don’t care. Drag queens are using the t word for themselves, not for trans people. They should be allowed to call themselves whatever they want. And they are obviously using it affectionately.
      Meanwhile, the trans community invents a word for gay men, cis men, which we didn’t choose. They have no clue how arrogant and contemptuous they are.

      May 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Wilberforce
      Wilberforce

      It’s like so many gay men I’ve known who use the f word for themselves. They’re not using it for me, so I could care less.
      But even if they were, I know that they are my friends, and that they are using it with affection. So I would never dream of attacking them.
      Trans people seem to have no respect for their friends and look for every chance to attack us.

      May 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scott Johansen
      Scott Johansen

      @michael mellor: Drag queens aren’t going anywhere you TRAAAANNY. If you TRAAANNIES think you’re going to shame and shun drag queens and gay men, you got another fight coming.

      Here’s how STUPID you rabid trans activists are. The heteros are overwhelmingly opposed to you all, and instead of having a strategic game plan you TARGET FELLOW GAYS. Now you’ve alienated many many gays, and you’re left in your own isolated island.

      I’ll be DAMNED if I support a trans community that is more homophobic than a Christian conservative at a republican convention. You trans militant activists just slowed down your movement by 20 years. You got in your own way!

      May 28, 2014 at 10:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Many drag queens are straight and couldn’t care less about GLBT rights. They care about money. I’m actually glad that trans activists are finally taking on the drag queens.

      May 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jamie
      Jamie

      Much like Parker Marie Molloy and others in the johnny-come-lately trans-activism camp, I too have decided to be openly offended by a word and have chosen to get my panties in a bunch every time I hear it. Therefor, I now demand everyone stop using “queer,” lest I begin a blog, open a Twitter account and actively harass those who use it against my wishes. Thank you.

      May 28, 2014 at 10:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • inbama
      inbama

      So GLAAD has now put “gender-bender” on its banned word list.
      Enough.
      Next they’ll be going after Julie Andrews and “Victor/Victoria.”

      May 28, 2014 at 10:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Drag queens make a mockery of women. Or is that type of hate OK with woman-hating gay guys?

      May 28, 2014 at 10:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jezzerat
      Jezzerat

      @sweetbrandigirl2004: Transvestites are “sexually perverted”? Please, do tell us more about this tolerance and understanding you’re demanding from us.

      May 28, 2014 at 11:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Observant
      Observant

      Thank (your favorite deity here) Rupaul, Lady Bunny, and Bianca still have their balls and aren’t afraid to use them. What a load of mind-numbing $hi7!
      Mellor: If you really think most drag queens are in it for the money, than you don’t really think. At all. If I cared, I’d ask the source of your hatred. But I don’t.
      Carrera: Mama never told you about biting the hand that feeds you? Don’t believe your own hype. VS doesn’t do butterface.
      Jayj150: I AM interested in (and grateful for) your whiny opinion.
      Chaz (-tity twice-removed): You are not a heterosexual. And there’s nothing wrong with what you are.
      sweetbrandigirl2004: We should all be careful about playing the sexual perversion card.
      Wilberforce and Scott Johansen: Having a dinner party Saturday night; realize it’s late notice, but could you come?
      Cam: Ditch whoever you’re with and marry me.

      May 28, 2014 at 11:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • truckproductions
      truckproductions

      shut up all of you.. you’ve turned the word into something negative in your own head.. grow up.. no matter what word you choose to align yourself to, people are going to abuse it.. that’s what it’s like being a minority in our country. Better get used to it and stop attacking your allies..

      May 28, 2014 at 11:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • toberlin
      toberlin

      It is no Problem for me not to use the Q…Word.I can carry it in my Head and my Heart with Love…

      May 29, 2014 at 12:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChgoReason
      ChgoReason

      GLADD will ultimately rule on the issue of use of the T-word, but ultimately I think drag queens will try to different themselves and behave like they hold the keys to the kingdom, but they are sorely mistaken. The LGBTQ movement is so much stronger than men with wigs. I mean, most of us are ok living and working with straight ppl.

      May 29, 2014 at 12:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • toberlin
      toberlin

      I forgot to add,I am a straight Woman (born that way)…

      May 29, 2014 at 1:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Drag queens tend to have personality disorders based on a disdain for real women.

      May 29, 2014 at 2:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scott Johansen
      Scott Johansen

      @ChgoReason: I love how bigots like this think they are entitled to belittle the drag queen community then scream outrage when someone says something negative against trans people. This is why the trans community will ultimately piss everyone off. NO ONE will be your ally. You pick on drag queens and you’re insulting a huge part of our communities history, drag was and is used as an art form of expression. Trans have their noses in the air thinking they are better than drag queens and gay men. I’m loving that gay people, and especially drag queens, are FINALLY pushing back to this Nazi trans activists. It backfired bad on these militant trans NAZIS. Now heteros can’t stand them and they alienated gays. Back to being twitter warriors they go. That’s the only place these trans can feel validated. Poor things.

      May 29, 2014 at 2:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Trans people are entitled to be annoyed with drag queens. Drag queens can take off their wigs at night. Trans people are living it 24/7.

      May 29, 2014 at 2:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • toberlin
      toberlin

      michael mellor:
      Just because you learned I new word from a woman is no reason to straightly abuse it…

      May 29, 2014 at 2:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      @Wilberforce: “…a word for gay men, cis men…”—No, no, no. Gay and cis are separate things. Cis is simply the opposite of trans, since there has to be some word for that that doesn’t put the two on unequal footing (as calling us “normal,” “real,” etc. would.) It’s like when they finally came up with the word “homosexual”; once the concept existed and was named, there had to be something to call everyone else, and “heterosexual” came along.

      I am a gay, cisgendered man. My brother is a straight, cis man. My friend who in school was considered a girl is a gay, trans man whose physical state under his clothes is none of my business.

      It’s not a great word, but until a better one catches on, it will have to do.

      May 29, 2014 at 2:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RealTalk101
      RealTalk101

      Carmen Carrera used the term “fish”. I am deeply outraged and offended by her use of this derogatory term to describe the drag community and trans community……. As per GLAAD guidelines I would like to advocate for her to stoop using this term and put it on the lust of banned words IMMEDIATELY. This term not only offends drag performers which herself was and still is/trans! But I bet this is offending the many schools of real fish that we have in the oceans, rivers, and streams on this planet…. Thank you for your acknowledgment and consideration…. Now where is my CNN, Logo, and any other news spot?

      May 29, 2014 at 3:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RealTalk101
      RealTalk101

      @michael mellor: I don’t know any Str-8 drag queens!

      May 29, 2014 at 3:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • allTnoShade
      allTnoShade

      While the overall goal of those activists is understandable -after all we are all fighting for equality, acceptance and respect here- the WAY they try to achieve it……couldn’t be more wrong….

      Trying to force a change is never a good thing, since this change would only ever be an EXTERNAL one. Especially if the activism comes with a sense of aggression…

      This will only lead to people putting up a fasade in public. But underneath they’ll still think the same about you as they did before…

      And why? Because they weren’t educated enough to understand why certain stigmas hurt certain groups so much…. This has to happen in a sensetive, respectful and honest way, if you really want it to work….and not with the blunt force approach that is used currently…

      Respect and acceptance has to be earned. EVEN IF OUR COMMUNITIES UNDOUBTEBLY DESERVE THEM… That’s simply just the way the human mind works…

      If you want to change someones mind, then this change HAS to come from them. From an INTERNAL change of the way they think about the subject matter.

      They literally have to go through the same thought-process to accept us, that we all had to go through to accept ourselves….. We should know best, that this thought-process isn’t something that you can force and that it takes a lot of time to “get there”. We’ve ALL been through it. It took us all years to get there. So we -of all people- should know, that we have to give the general public enough time to make these connections, if you really want the changes to mean something and stick…

      Actual change takes time. And this includes respect, acceptance and equality, if you don’t want them to be just “played” because of political correctness!

      Sadly those “activists” seem to think, that it’s as easy as to flip a switch. They got it all wrong and don’t even get it…

      May 29, 2014 at 5:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • johnplay26
      johnplay26

      @hyhybt: Wrong. Just like homosexuality, heterosexuality was a medical term coined in the early 1890’s to describe a “morbid sexual passion for one of the opposite sex.” In other words, it was clinical term to describe sexual deviance. It wasn’t until the 1930’s that that the word was redefined as “manifestation of sexual passion for one of the opposite sex; normal sexuality”. Even then, it did not enter common use until 1960s.

      “Cisgender” was coined in the early 90’s within a transgender community forum. It was meant to describe those not like themselves-separating “us” from “them.” It did not find its way into academia until the later in the decade. Today, it only seems to be used by either academics in gender studies, or as a pejorative term by the vocal trans community seeking validation that they are indeed not the outward gender they were biologically born to, or people kowtowing to that same vocal community. 99.9% of the “cis” community do not identify as “cis”–of whom 99.9% have never even heard of the term.

      Frankly, I don’t like any of the prefix-sexuality terms because they reduce my experience as a human being to a condition. But until the “trans” community comes up with something better we should call them, that’s all we got. In my experience, MTF want to be called “her” and FTM want to be called “him”. But just because the “trans” community needed something to “balance” the vocabulary used to describe them, does not give them license to define the rest of us they way they see fit and expect us to like it.

      May 29, 2014 at 6:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael mellor
      michael mellor

      Drag queens are in it for the money.

      May 29, 2014 at 6:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Teeth
      Teeth

      Most Drag does not make fun of women. It pokes fun at our society’s definition of womanhood. weird hair,nails,makeup,heels.. these are not ‘womanly’.. they are a piss-take on what society tells women that they ought be. It’s a strangely subversive feminist perspective– to take a pot shot at what our world calls “a woman”.

      May 29, 2014 at 7:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • wiccabasket
      wiccabasket

      @sweetbrandigirl2004: Ever seen Lady Bunny in boydrag? Ever?

      She is a drag queen and she presents herself in her daily life as a woman. How DARE you define someone else’s gender identity.

      May 29, 2014 at 8:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • wiccabasket
      wiccabasket

      @RealTalk101: They do exist, but they are rare.

      May 29, 2014 at 8:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • wiccabasket
      wiccabasket

      @michael mellor: HA! Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. There’s easier ways of earning cash, trust me.

      May 29, 2014 at 8:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • swellster
      swellster

      Being trans should be treated for what it is … a medical condition. Their bodies are not coordinated with their brains. It is a condition that can be treated by helping their bodies align with brain chemistry and function. they are attacking the problem incorrectly. There is no “cure” for gay, but effectively there is a a cure for transexualism, – full gender reassignment. It is very intrusive and takes a lot of courage (and money) to go through, but it can be done. Trans people need to change the discourse. At one point people were looked down upon because they suffered from depression, and we are still fighting the normative battle over the derision of people born with Down’s Syndrome. In the not too distant past the word cancer was not used in polite company except with a whisper. Rather than attack their allies, trans people should turn their fight outwardly to the real bigots and we would support them. I just can’t fathom why the radicals are attacking their only real allies here.

      May 29, 2014 at 8:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tackle
      Tackle

      @Cam: Your post is an all out attack on the so-called /so-preceived Trans community. This is the same thing as someone saying a “Black/ Hispanic/Asian/or even LGBTQ community. There is no such thing as a community of anything. People are not monolith. No group thinks alike or act alike, and people should be judged as individuals. Shouldn’t they? Your post is very misleading,damaging,
      counter productive,prejudicial and bigoted to all Trans people. There is no proof that the so-called Trans community is trying to wage war, or as you say, ” engineer another large attack on the gay community”.
      And by the way, when was the first large attack?? You are confusing the greater Trans (community) for the few trouble making radical militants, and lumping them all together. And there is that right wing element of GLAAD who is right there with them, and who has nothing better to do than chip away at our right at free speech. As a gay man, I have felt nothing but love and acceptance from most Trans people.

      May 29, 2014 at 9:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Tackle:

      Actually go to the Trans blogs, the blogs contain multiple attacks on gay blogs, gay magazines, and the constant complaint that lesbians gays and bi’s “Gayjack” all trans issues.

      And my commentary that the trans activists launched a print attack against gays using the backdrop of marriage equality passing in MY State is factual.

      I am very supportive of Trans issues, but being supportive doesn’t mean that we have to turn a blind eye when fringe members of the community are homophobic.

      When fringe members of the LGBT community were spending more time attacking African American churches than groups like NOM etc… I went after them in the comments section also.

      If you are claiming that there isn’t a massive case of anti-gay/lesbian homophobia in the fringe elements of the trans community then you have not been reading trans blogs. It is a minority in there, but claiming that pointing it out is an attack is false.

      The issue is they need to do what every other community has had to do, deal with their hateful fringe.

      May 29, 2014 at 9:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DB75
      DB75

      I wholeheartedly agree with Lady Bunny.

      It’s a fucking word, goddamnit! We are fighting over a fucking word. Pay no mind to the intent – which is what fucking matters – let’s just attack and pick people apart. That has been historically such a proven method of resolving conflict. smfh

      May 29, 2014 at 9:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tackle
      Tackle

      @Cam: Well I’m gald you corrected yourself by adding the word ” fringe”. Makes a hellov a difference.
      You use fringe, I use radical & militants. Same thing. No disagreement there. The fringe/radical/militants of ANY group, who are causing harm, should be spoken out against.

      And I agree with what Lady Bunny said…

      May 29, 2014 at 9:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Tackle:

      Actually I assumed that it was clear I meant “Fringe” and in a re read I see it wasn’t.

      I think that most of the time the hate seems to come from the edges.

      May 29, 2014 at 10:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jake357
      Jake357

      Sometimes I feel like we’re all trapped on a bus with people we don’t like headed to completely different destinations and all wondering why we’ve been lumped together.

      May 29, 2014 at 10:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BitterOldQueen
      BitterOldQueen

      @Jake357: I share your consternation, Jake357. I often wonder why there’s a T in LGBT at all: for Ls and Gs (and I guess half the time for Bs) the issues have always been discrimination based on who we love and the perceived icky nature of same-sex sex. The issues for Ts aren’t the same, if your issue boils down to wanting to be absorbed into regular society in the form you are meant to be, not necessarily the one you have. Ts generally (at least the ones I know) are laser-focused on becoming straight men (or women) behaving straightly in a straight world, with or without the appropriate parts. That issue is NOT the same as that faced by people who are attracted to their own gender, and who have been historically discriminated against, often violently, almost always under force of law, simply for being different. If your goal is to be the same, then your fight is different, and you need your own movement–from which, by the way, you would be free to attack the Ls and Gs to your heart’s content, without anyone fussing at you about not picking family fights. In short, honies, if you don’t like this house, the door’s over there.

      May 29, 2014 at 10:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • aliengod
      aliengod

      Very well said Lady Bunny!

      May 29, 2014 at 11:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      @johnplay26: What term do you suggest instead? There has to be one.

      May 29, 2014 at 12:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lvng1tor
      Lvng1tor

      How do you fight the real enemy when even your allies tell you to f@ck Off? No one can tell another person not to use certain words. It’s part of our freedom but how hard is it to say “I know this word is used in hate so I’m gonna stand with my human family and stop using it to show my solidarity.” Not F U I’m gonna use it more and more and more and then say I’m your ally. I’m not trans so I’m gonna just try and be a bit kinder in my words cause making people feel bad cause I want to prove my point on my first amendment rights is just not worth it.

      On the other side. I do believe that the fight over this word has gotten out of control and both sides need to take a step back. I’m a firm believer in the first amendment. You can’t tell people what they can and can not say. But those who scream this is my freedom of speech can’t tell others they have no right to say it’s offensive or challenge them on a subject. Start focusing on what brings us together and stop all the insulting.Turn around is not fair play. Playground rules are not appropriate in adult debates.

      To members of the trans community that continually state that the gay community is “throwing them under the bus”. Fighting for our rights and accepting our rights even though at the moment they may not include trans rights is still a step in the right direction. Many of us stand with you but do you expect us not to celebrate our victories or turn down our equal rights?

      We all need to remember although we are a community we are a community of individuals. Not all trans people agree on this issue so expecting gays to? I’m not trans so i can’t say what is insulting. I can only say what I find acceptable in my own life and causing pain is not worth a word.

      May 29, 2014 at 12:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Polyboy
      Polyboy

      While we’re having this conversation about terminology, let’s leave “cis” and “trans” to organic chemistry. We’re talking about natal and non-natal here. All this “cis” this and “cis” that has started to smack of hipster B.S.

      For those who did not take organic chemistry: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Cis-trans_isomerism.html

      May 29, 2014 at 12:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • myloginname
      myloginname

      I never realized there was animosity between gay and trans people…I love my trans friends. I think this kerfuffle is all full of doody.

      May 29, 2014 at 1:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      @Polyboy: So, again: what terms do you suggest to replace them?

      May 29, 2014 at 1:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jayj150
      jayj150

      @hyhybt: How about ‘non-transsexual’?. Transgenderism is a medical condition, and those are not my words, that’s their own claim when they sue the government and insurance companies to pay for their surgeries. We don’t have special words to refer to people who don’t suffer from the medical conditions of diabetes, cancer or high blood preassure. Oh wait, we do have a word for that: “healthy”, but I’m guessing that’s not going to make them feel validated which we all know is all they care about.

      May 29, 2014 at 1:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • johnplay26
      johnplay26

      @hyhybt: Why does there HAVE to be one? Who said I even wanted one? I thought I made it pretty clear that I’m not wild about prefixes. Just because you feel that everything should be a binary, doesn’t mean that it has to be so. @jayj150: I agree with your sentiment. I was trying to come up with a…um…less blunt force way to say as such.

      Transgender describes a “condition” where one’s gender identity does not match one’s biological sex, just as “heterosexual” describes a “manifestation of sexual passion for one of the opposite sex; normal sexuality”—again a “condition.” Kinsey further clarified that definition in the late 40’s, stating that “heterosexuality is not ‘normal’ sexuality; it is the most common sexuality” (heavily paraphrasing). My point is “Cis” or “Cisgender” is most frequently hurled as pejorative by the fringe “trans” communities, much like “homosexual” is used by the anti-gay Christian right. I find it to be offensive. As does most folk I’ve had to explain the meaning to.

      “You” don’t want to be called “tr@nny” because it is a label “I” created to describe “you” and “you” find it offensive. I don’t want to be called “cis” because it is a label that “you” created to describe me and I find it to be offensive. Yet somehow, your objection is more valid than mine because… why exactly?

      May 29, 2014 at 1:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jar
      jar

      As a corollary to Lady Bunny’s truism that if you are non-conforming you are going to have to deal with shit is the fact that no one “owes” anyone anything. The sense of entitlement these days is sickening. Support is offered; it cannot be demanded or mandated. I hear a lot of whingeing by the trans and bisexual communities about how horrible gays and lesbians are to them because we do not focus on their issues. Well, tough: no one owes you anything. Oppressed people have a right to channel their energy into overcoming their own oppression. Even gay men and lesbians have not always been supportive on issues that affect only the other group. But we’ve managed to accept that fact and come together to fight for those issues that affect us all.

      This is not to say that we should not offer support and energy to others who suffer oppression. But that is a moral choice, not a duty. Similarly, I am very grateful to those who offer their support and fight for my equality, but I do not (cannot) demand it. The fundamental issue in the fight for any equality is respect the autonomy and agency of others. We should not lose sight of this fact.

      May 29, 2014 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • corvaspikenard
      corvaspikenard

      @johnplay26: Personally I don’t like the word because that’s what the group of men were screaming as they beat me and my partner to a pulp.

      If you’ve had a similarly bad experience with the word ‘cis’ then I’ll be happy to stop using it.

      May 29, 2014 at 3:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ms Urethra Johnson
      Ms Urethra Johnson

      I Remember, like 15 years ago, some “fringy” elements of the Montreal queer scene pulled some similar crap before “social media” was even a thing. They took over the gay association, screwed with pride week because it was too “gay-centric”, too many leather/military manly sweat /pig parties…showing their true-colours, even made us lose the Gay Games. Anyone remember that? Oh wait, Carmen must have been what, 5 years old? They want to burn “our house” down because they don’t really want to share it with us. If you have chopped that wee-wee off, become a “Stepford” house wife- Vegas show girl, pageant queen…yeap you’re a STRAIGHT now… Is Carmen sleeping with women? Turn in your “gay membership card”. You’re not gay anymore. You won your personal battle. You’re a woman now:a STRAIGHT woman that is. Leave us f*a*g*s* alone, I used to like you C U Next Tuesday. I’m a gay male, I enjoy my genitals the way they are, I have no intention of becoming “a full heterosexual woman”: that was YOUR fight, not mine. PROJECTION it’s called. The world according to Carmen… In my “old school” world, yeah we ALL get old, T*R*A*N*N*Y stands for a guy wearing women’s clothes, NOTHING ELSE. Stop trying to rewrite history. #TeamRuPaul

      May 29, 2014 at 4:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @corvaspikenard:

      Nice try. So according to you apparently you can only complain about a word if you were beaten while it was yelled at you?

      Funny because the complaints about the word have never brought that up. Merely that they feel it is a word imposed on them and that a group should not have a word imposed on them from the outside.

      I guess the Trans activists never got your memo that you can only protest a word if you were beaten over it.

      May 29, 2014 at 4:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ms Urethra Johnson
      Ms Urethra Johnson

      Like I have said before, I own a STRAIGHT bar/lounge… I even bartend every freaking night. They all know I’m gay, and fine with it, they like me for ME. I have done more for gay acceptance in my backwoods city without sugar coating anything. That’s the real fight. Simple coexistence. They can say whatever they want: I can say whatever I want. My patrons will be the first one’s to shun someone that is out of line. It makes me all fuzzy inside when I witness that. So accept drag queens for who they are, camp and all. That’s what everybody loves and it is ART. Fight your own battles and STOP projecting. I’m so over this… I feel it’s a conspiracy now that RuPaul has become so successful. They’re just jealous and bitter. They just want to take her down. Typical gay-on-gay bashing. #TeamRuPaul

      May 29, 2014 at 4:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Ms Urethra Johnson:

      We said early on that if Trans activists on the fringe responded well to Logo stopping use of the word, then that would mean this was a sincere complaint.

      HOWEVER, if they continued to try to attack RuPaul and the gay community even after getting what they wanted, then it was obviously an excuse to attack a high profile gay celeb etc…

      May 29, 2014 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • corvaspikenard
      corvaspikenard

      @Cam: I think you’re being disingenuous; most trans people have had the T word thrown at them with either the implicit threat of violence or have had it followed by violence.
      It is ignorant to presume otherwise.

      I don’t particularly have an issue with RuPaul or drag queens using the word in performances at private venues and such, but the issue is that on TV it popularises the word and normalises it, so that the cis het public who watch the ‘cute’ drag queen show think it’s OK to use it as a slur, cuz some drag queen gets to use it.

      May 29, 2014 at 4:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      Don’t both sides get tired of playing the victim. They are having a cat fight about who gets to be more offended. How about they both shut up and focus on actually important matters. Although, the trans side has more to lose here because most of their rights were gained with our help, and they are easily the most hated minority.

      May 29, 2014 at 6:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nowuvedoneit
      Nowuvedoneit

      @corvaspikenard: Your comment sounds vaguely familiar”I don’t particularly have an issue with RuPaul or drag queens using the word in performances at private venues and such.” Hmm, who has said that before, oh ya homophobes who say you can be who you want but not in public, because you know seeing that kind of behavior would normalize peoples perception of gays. That is some mighty fine logic you applied there.

      May 29, 2014 at 7:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • LGBT36-24
      LGBT36-24

      The real injustice is this comment moderator. You cant say shit without it flagging you. I think we need to rise up and get Hitler out of the Queerity Moderating booth.

      May 29, 2014 at 7:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jayj150
      jayj150

      @LGBT36-24: Interestingly enough, you can say “fag#ot” and it won’t get flagged. There’s even a poster with that username.

      May 29, 2014 at 7:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      @jayj150: Interesting choice. For curiosity’s sake, why do you prefer a long word to a short one when the short one doesn’t have negative baggage already attached?

      @johnplay26: Because having words for concepts makes speaking, and even thinking, about them more convenient. In this case, it’s not something that’s used except when it becomes relevant, so why the insistence on not even having a word available to use?

      May 29, 2014 at 9:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      Continuing…

      “My point is “Cis” or “Cisgender” is most frequently hurled as pejorative by the fringe “trans” communities”— hogwash.

      ““You” don’t want to be called “tr@nny” because it is a label “I” created to describe “you” and “you” find it offensive.”—Why are you making things up out of thin air? It’s true: I don’t want to be called that. Personally, I don’t find the word offensive, but none of the various separate things that are shortened to that apply to me. I’m not a transvestite, or transsexual, or transgendered, or trans-anything-else. Those I know who are transgendered find the word offensive because of some aspects of its history. “Cis” HAS no history to be offended by. I don’t much like the word because it just sounds funny, but until someone suggests a replacement that is simple (not overly long, for instance) and doesn’t imply anything negative or lesser about its opposite, it will have to do because there has to be some word because that’s how language works.

      May 29, 2014 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jayj150
      jayj150

      @hyhybt: “… why do you prefer a long word to a short one when the short one doesn’t have negative baggage already attached?…”. Really? “Die Cis Scum” is the semi-official universal motto of trans activists. “Cis-het privilege”, “Cis gay establishment”, do they ring a bell?. Is is universally used in a hateful, resentful, derogatory way by its promoters AND it is universally rejected by those it refers to. It is disrespectfully disingenuous, condescending and hypocritical of you to pretend otherwise. And AGAIN(although you simply chose to ignore this argument) transgenderism is a medical condition(by transpeople’s own admission), so we don’t need a word for people not suffering from it.

      May 29, 2014 at 10:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hyhybt
      hyhybt

      @jayj150: You’re talking nonsense. That’s not my problem.

      May 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DickieJohnson
      DickieJohnson

      This whole thing is the biggest bunch of B*llsh*t I’ve ever seen, and reaching such a near-hysterical fever pitch, OVER WORDS! I didn’t know that GLAAD actually has a nono “word list”! Well, whatever the Word Mafia decides to ban, most of us will continue along, quite gayly, with f*ggot, qu33r, d¥ke, tr@nny, & my favorite, Co©k$u©ker, come what may. Really, I can’t believe “intelligent” people have gotten so twisted over this nonsense. Please stay with the true issues, and our real opponents.

      May 29, 2014 at 11:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • j.martinez53
      j.martinez53

      @Cam: Great response to corvaspikehead! I’m totally with you on this one.

      May 30, 2014 at 10:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @corvaspikenard: said…

      “@Cam: I think you’re being disingenuous; most trans people have had the T word thrown at them with either the implicit threat of violence or have had it followed by violence.
      It is ignorant to presume otherwise.”
      ___________________________

      I presumed nothing of the kind. I merely pointed out that when somebody called you on your inconsistencies in earlier posts, you then claimed that basically the only way somebody could complain about a word was if they had been attacked using that word.

      I pointed out that you were trying to change the topic, and that your rule of “Must have been attacked with that word” has never been one used by the Trans community and that you were trying to change the subject. (Which you are continuing to try to do here)

      If you have to lie and invent false comments that others have said to try to make your point, maybe you should rethink your point.

      May 30, 2014 at 11:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • YesIDid
      YesIDid

      Queerty thinks Lady Bunny is “brilliantly talented?” I beg to differ!

      May 30, 2014 at 12:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BROOKECERDA
      BROOKECERDA

      SORRY TO BREAK YOUR HEARTS GAYS,BUT BIANCA DEL RIO DOESN’T EXIST.ITS A CHARACTER JUST LIKE BOZO OR RUPAUL, BUT CARMEN, JANET , LAVERNE & MYSELF ARE WOMEN.AND IF ANY OF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A MAN, YOU WOULD KNOW HOW TO TREAT A WOMAN . THERE ARE NO DEGREES OF WOMANHOOD WOMEN ARE WOMEN, TRANSGENDER OR CISGENDER YOU BEING GAY DOES NOT GIVE YOU A PASS BE VULGAR WITH US. I DONT CARE HOW FEM YOU LOOK. BODIES ARE NOT GENDER.

      RESPECT ALL WOMEN !!

      STOP MAKING AN ASS OF YOUR TRANSPHOBIC SELVES .

      Jun 2, 2014 at 10:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jamesbrockart
      jamesbrockart

      Well written! I wonder do trans people get to the other side, then if so why not stay as opposed to remaining in the gay one?

      Jun 3, 2014 at 1:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tensongsblog
      tensongsblog

      As a transvestite I find a slightly offensive transsexuals want to take a word away from me I’ve used to describe my identity since I was in my twenties.

      As a bi-sexual I don’t know if I am pleased that my people are staying out of this nonsense or if they are just too afraid to “come out” for fear of attacks from all side. But the fact that I haven’t seen our “brand” in the discussion seems (by ourselves or others) a little odd. Are we that invisible out side the B?

      Anyway, if you choose to get offended by how a word is used, that is YOUR CHOICE. Nobody is required to bow down to your feelings. I believe RuPaul said in that same interview something to the effect of, “If you are hurt by something I said to you then you have much bigger problems than what I said.” And I agree.

      Jun 3, 2014 at 1:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tensongsblog
      tensongsblog

      @DickieJohnson: When you reach the ivory tower of GLAAD you find yourself without much to do between business lunches and backroom deals so makeup shit to riles the populace so you SEEM like you are doing something. While the true hoofin’ it activists continue to hoof it.

      Jun 3, 2014 at 1:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tensongsblog
      tensongsblog

      @tdx3fan: LOL! Trans are not as hated as us bi folk. When you are post op you can more or less continue on normally as your new sex and many of them will be straight. But bis will forever be bis and we are hated for it. And that isn’t widely known most likely due to the fact HUGE numbers of bi people won’t come out for fear of getting shit from all angles.

      Pick a team, greedy fuckers who want it both ways, indecisive, bis always cheat…

      My favorite though is we are in denial about being gay. Um… no we are in denial about being straight. LOL! You are not going to use me and my kind to pad the stats! Nope sorry. I actually never even picked a team or label until my best friend of 15+ years came out as bi in 2013 and most of her lesbian friends dropped her, and the few that stayed refuse to accept she is bi, and treat her as gay.

      And I decided finally to pick bi because I was tired of trying to explain pansexual, which I couldn’t explain with any satisfaction to myself. And BAM! Many at the gay bar I’ve been going to for almost 20 years turned me out. I don’t care and still dance there because I choose not let that affect my life, but that does seem kind of odd considering all the hate homosexuals got over they years about it being a choice. Where’s the empathy?

      Jun 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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