We’re not sure which is harder: working in law or working in gay porn. They’re both very competitive, require working closely with pricks, and their rough, late night hours can really take it out of your ass. University of Louisiana-Lafayette law student, Jeremy Williams, has worked in both fields. In law, he’s a paralegal and very close to graduating from UL with a “near-perfect” GPA. In the porn field, you may know him as Mustang power bottom Jay Armstrong—he’s starred on the site Bait Buddies and in such films as Alabama Takedown, Big Muscle, and Forced Entry, a film in which he famously took a double-penetration. Hard work, indeed. But where you might find an ex-porn star-turned-lawyer kinda hot, not everyone feels that way, least of all one of Williams’ professors, who’s threatening the student with “consequences” for his “vulgar” career.
Dr. Bryan-Paul Frost, a professor of political science at UL-Lafayette, made the threats to Williams via email, reports Gay Porn Blog (link NSFW). Frost allegedly told Williams he “needed psychiatric help for working in the adult industry.”
The exchange surfaced after Williams e-mailed GPB in hopes of bringing his plight into the public eye. “At the moment I am frightened as hell, as I have him for not one but two classes this semester,” Williams says. “I can assure you that the matter was entirely nothing vulgar or even of my fault. [I am] Confused. Petrified. I’ve worked so hard for a degree and damn!”
“Damn” is right. If Williams’ accusation is true, it begs the question: How did the good Dr. Frost found out about Williams’ porn star past in the first place? Had he seen Armstrong’s famous double-pen scene? Did a competitive, brown-noser suck up to Dr. Frost by dropping a tip in the professor’s box?
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Oh, but more seriously: What’s in store for Williams?
It’s unclear whether the school has a policy for punishing students who star in porn. Is there a moral character clause in the student code? Will Williams have to defend himself orally in a private disciplinary session against the school’s top heads? What indignities might he suffer at the hands of Dr. Frost, his allegedly harsh taskmaster? We’ve contacted both Dr. Frost and the school to get their side of the story; neither have responded.
Williams may have good reason to worry. After all, other students have faced academic consequences for their porn star pasts. Remember John Gechter (aka Randy Blue’s Vincent DeSalvo)? He got kicked out of a Christian university for bumping man-uglies on camera. Then again, UL is not a religiously-affiliated school.
Then there’s also the other power bottom, Kurt Wild. He got sacked by Subway for filling men’s buns with meat and cheese off the clock. Kurt never pursued any legal action against the fast-food chain, but we have a feeling that Williams would entertain dragging Dr. Frost’s butt to court, should the doc try anything funny. (Williams is, after all, studying to be an attorney.)
As far as we can tell, Armstrong’s last porn flick got released March of 2007. Two years off-camera in the porn world counts as retirement, but that doesn’t mean that Armstrong won’t be back. Especially if Dr. Frost proves too much for his ass to handle.
Same Crap
Ugh. What a pig! I am referring to the prof, of course.
scott ny'er
the snark in this article is disgusting IMHO. This is a big deal. I hope Williams comes out of this ok. It shouldn’t matter what this man does to make dough as long as it’s not illegal.
Jon B
Why is a law student taking two classes with a political science professor? That doesn’t make much sense. Anyhow, this professor should be VERY careful. He is a political science professor at a sub-par university. He’ll have the wrath of the ACLU, Lambda Legal, as well as Professors from every top ranking law school in the country and potentially the ABA accredation folks all over his ass. It’ll make double penetration look like a walk in the park.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
What a truly educational experience. While I empathize with Williams concerns for his future, the dick-wad professor has certainly given Williams an educational challenge: since the Supreme Court has ruled in Lawrence that the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Cause protects the legality and privacy of gay sex, and since the University of Louisiana is a publicly funded school, Williams’ claim have merit and the law on his side.
Perhaps Dr. Frost should read the words and understand the complexity of the concepts of democracy and ideology, and the evolution of those concepts, as he “educates” students about the contributions to social evolution of Emerson, Aristotle and Cicero (I googled him; these are some of his subject areas).
hyhybt
@Jon B: Attempting to combine those two activities makes for an interesting mental picture…
bystander
I doubt the professor could legally do anything unilaterally. I would think that in order for any action to be taken against Williams it would have to be done by the school.
Cam
Oh Puh-Leeze! The south is filled with these prissy little closeted bitches that have married some poor unsuspecting woman and then walk around with their lips pursed in dissapproval of everybody else. This professor no doubt has watched his films several times, and was probably hoping he could get the guy to sleep with him for a grade. Any older southern man would NEVER expect a gay guy to take their fight public because the older man has lived his life full of shame and assumes that everybody else is the same way. I hope that the student gets a settlement from the professor fatter than any of the hogs he had up him in porn.
hyhybt
@bystander: Directly, no. But grading can be amazingly subjective.
TommyOC
@scott ny’er: I totally agree with you. The tone given to this article is disrespectful of the seriousness of this man’s situation.
I kinda expected something a little better from the writer of this piece.
JamesReno
Damn, this pisses me off. Williams PAYS the school to teach him not poke into his private life. I hope he can/will take this to court. I think CAM you may be onto something. I am originally from GA.
Daniel
@TommyOC: It’s a fair criticism and I appreciate my readers holding me to a high standard. Perhaps, my own love of porn made me a bit too tongue-in-cheek with this piece, but I’m open to suggestions on how I could have done it better.
FakeName
Jon B sez: Why is a law student taking two classes with a political science professor?
UL-Lafeyette isn’t a law school. The guy is most likely a pre-law student, majoring in something like political science or criminal justice with plans to attend law school after graduation.
Colby412
Once again I have to say when are people going to learn that if you are on film having sex it will come back to haunt you. Maybe he should have worked at Pizza Hut or Macy’s to pay the bills instead of doing porn. Hopefully, this guys doesn’t aspire to a political career.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
If you want privacy, patrons need to ban cell phones at events. If you do porn, chances are that will likely be your career arc. However, the Professor is an ugly jerk and could quite feasibly go to prison for blackmail.
jason
The porn industry is all about money. It’s not about sex. Sex is free, porn is prostitution, simple as that.
As for the professor, you couldn’t pay me a million dollars to have sex with him.
Speedsausage
The prof. doesn’t have a prayer. UL’s code of student conduct only has one clause that could apply:
15.3 The university expects all students to obey the law, to show respect for properly constituted authority, to fulfill contractual obligations, to maintain absolute integrity and a high standard of individual honor in scholastic work and personal conduct.
but to do so would be an over-broad interpretation of the section. By reading the section it appears to apply to individuals who have engaged in illegal behaviour off campus and have been charged accordingly. The student has done nothing illegal.
A code of conduct and a honour code are not the same thing and UL has no honour code.
Oh Boy
I met this guy before (the porn star) and he is super sweet. His decision to do porn in the past is his business and has nothing to do with the professor or the school. They need to leave his alone and give him his degree.
I admire him for pursuing an education and moving forward with his life.
If everyone who did porn was not allowed to move on to another career there would be even more unemployed out there then there already is.
Bullradish
@hyhybt: I object!
Cat Walker
and now i want to see him on action!
Ben
This writer is an idiot…..ever heard of fact checking and due diligence before posting an article? DUH…….Who actually is editing the content loaded up to this site.
FYI……..
UL Law School campus is in Baton Rouge, not Lafayette, LA.
This professor teaches undergrad political science courses, not law school courses towards a J.D. degree.
Mr. Williams is oviously still matriculating his undergraduate degree and NOT a graduate/law student at UL.
As an attorney, I think he may have a strong case against this ignorant professor…as a paralegal, I hope he pursues the proper legal directions and counsel to litigate this blatent discrimination in education from a federally funded University.
Ben
BTW……Queerty?
Who actually wrote this article and where was it published before you posted it here on this site?
It does come off as sorta sketchy and unprofessional
….to post news articles without any credits or bylines.
Hmmmmm…………
WtF!
. “I can assure you that the matter was entirely nothing vulgar or even of my fault. [I am] Confused. Petrified. I’ve worked so hard for a degree and damn!”
Ok, so porn is not vulgar. What is it then? not his fault? Then whose? COnfused? Petrified? Umm, how about when you took 2 cocks up ur ass?
Im sorry. U do porn, u know the consequences. Stupid.
Rob Moore
I seem to recall that when my daughter was preparing for the bar exam in Maryland and again in Georgia there was some mechanism in place that would allow someone like this professor to make an objection on moral grounds. I’m not sure, but I do remember she had to get references from an attorney for whom she worked before going off to Tulane for law school. By the way, if anyone is thinking of going to law school without getting loans, porn might be an option. Either pay for it up front or pay for it for decades after. It’s fucking expensive.
If the morons running Louisiana are like the morons here in Georgia, you might end up being just as indebted as if you had gone to a private university. I don’t know where my taxes are going in Georgia, but it isn’t to fund education or fix roads.
DaisySanchez
Can someone please explain? As the sister of someone whose career was ruined by porn, why do so many gay guys, especially young, think it is a legitimate career alternative? Where are the gay role models that can say no to this? To the exploitation, the ruined lives, the drugs, the death? What glamour is there really there?
My brother was brilliant in college, and the only one who ever did porn. And he was gay. Straight guys and girls in college with a good head on don’t think of doing porn, knowing what can affect them further down the road. And the stigma attached to it is very strong. So why is this not the same in the gay community? This focus on sex and porn is so limiting in the great potential that gays have always shown throughout history. You eat your own kind…
DemosDemon
@Ben: As a student of UL-Lafayette, I’m pretty sure I’m living and going to school in Lafayette, LA. The school itself doesn’t have a law degree program, but it does have a pre-law program under the Political Science umbrella.
As for Dr. Frost, while I have never had a class with the man, I do have many friends who have had classes with him, and did enjoy his classes, even if his views and opinions are highly conservative.
MuscleBoy
the professor is an old hag, but the porn star is an ugly troll.
EmailtheProf
In the event you wish to share your concerns with the prof:
[email protected]
Source:
http://www.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/E-MailFinal.pl?Name=Frost+Bryan+P&Clid=bpf0456&Dept=POL+SCI+POLITICAL+SCIENCE&E-Mail=Y&URL=N&Alias=bfrost
Oh Boy
@DaisySanchez: You are right. Perhaps gays were more forgiving of porn because for so man years they felt on the fringe as well, and felt they were already being judged, so why not put it out on display.
It does seem porn is becoming more mainstream with straight people, however. But you are correct that most straight college kids with a good head would never think of doing that. But I think most gay college kids with a good head would not think of doing it either.
A lot of people fall into it through misdirection, a thrill, validation, easy money, etc.
And yes – gay me do focus on sex and hot guys a lot. That has always been there.
But nobodies careers should be destroyed because of porn.
Jeff
@no.27
And what are we going to do, defend a porn douchebag?
Benjamin Dorsey
I hope Dr. Frost is disciplined for this, and I’m confident he will be. I assure all of you, neither the Political Science department head or Dr. Frost’s (and my former) Dean are happy about this. I have the pleasure of knowing both men well.
For those making assertions about our University using stereotypes of the entire South, be careful, this area is quite culturally unique in relation to the region. (it’s highly Catholic with a strong French influence) Additionally, Dr. Frost hails from Seattle.
Additionally, Lafayette is quite a gay friendly city by Southern standards. I’ve not encountered any trouble as an openly-gay man. “Live and let live” is the ethos here.
Benjamin Dorsey
UL Lafayette Alumnus (December, 2009)
mulletkitty
I’m a university professor, and writing an email to a current student passing judgment on their private life is a HUGE misstep. Employed by a public university, his emails should be public record. The student should file a grievance if he suspects bias in grading. I encourage the student to stick to his guns, perform well on his GREs, take classes with other profs, keep the GPA up, and head off to law school. Make a fuss now to keep this loose canon from derailing him later. And the department should take action against this prof… No way they should allow him to assess this student’s work.
B
No. 24 · DaisySanchez wrote, “Can someone please explain? As the sister of someone whose career was ruined by porn, why do so many gay guys, especially young, think it is a legitimate career alternative? Where are the gay role models that can say no to this?” … it’s not where “the gay role models” are, but where they are not. They are generally not in the porn industry and not in areas known for closet-case hookups.
If you have a local culture that is sufficiently homophobic or live in “suburbia” or a rural area where people are so spread out that it is hard to create groups that might appeal to a small fraction of the population, you won’t be able to set up places like the Billy de Frank center in San Jose http://www.defrankcenter.org/ that provides a series of programs including support for young gays. It is also harder to get people to spend personal time supporting such groups if they live in areas where people have to spend 3 hours a day commuting to and from work.
mulletkitty
Dr. Frost is an endowed professor. Have at it, folks.
His CV also suggests he’s an untenured assistant professor, so that’s weird (who endows an assistant prof?). But if this story is accurate, this untenured professor’s acts could put his job in jeopardy, depending on the level of intimidation in the email. I would consider a gender discrimination complaint; let a committee read the emails and decide if he is treating this student any differently based on his gender…
B
No. 29 · Jeff wrote, “@no.27 And what are we going to do, defend a porn douchebag?”
Well, if a student had previously committed a string of robberies, gone to prison, and ever since has staid out of trouble, should that preclude that person from ever getting a good education, which would help him continue to stay out of trouble?
So, maybe we should have a discussion about why being a retired
porn star is worse than being a retired burglar? And who should we consider to be a “porn douchebag”? The “actors” or the people who exploit them?
As to whether it is worse to be a porn star rather than a lawyer (in case that eventually comes up), I’ll defer to William Gilbert, whose libretto for the Pirates of Penzance had the “Pirate King” say (regarding piracy), “compared to respectability, it is a relatively honest living.”
Jay Armstrong
Jay Armstrong here. Let’s set the record straight: I am a Politcal Science (Pre-Law) and English doible major. As well, I already have four years towards another degree in English Secondary Ed. Sometimes in my senior year, right before doing my student teaching, I decided I didn’t care much for kids and switched gears.
After doing some porn, I retired to start school again and as John and Howard from Fabscout, my agents, can attest, I always planned on returning to porn to help other actors make the transition out when they are ready. I am currently doing exceptionally well here, and once I have finished my studies, I hope to attend the University of Virginia or Duke for Law School.
As for this incident, some things are right on the money and other things are not. First of all, I did not contact GPB to do a interview… the article itself was sringed together from a series of emails that I wrote to my two dads, Howard and John, and possibly others, like Larry Flynt.
This whole matter began when I asked the professor, Dr Frost, for a copy of his Syllabus for a class of Foriegn Policy, which I added to my sched AFTER the first class had met. When I was unable to obtain one, I wrote him back, saying that I had explored every option to receive one and that I hoped it wouldn’t reflect poorly on my character if I showed up in class unprepared the following class.
In passing, I mentioned my background with Fabscout as an assistant to Howard to show my ability to micromanage well, as the job itself requires much. I felt this would somehow assert my character as responsible… but clearly it asserted something else.
From there, things sprialed out of control. The next email I received from Dr Frost stated that “He was not a counselor,” which insinuated that I need psychiatric help. He told me that my email was highly inappropriate and that he was reporting the matter to the appropriate academic boards. In close, he told me never to contact him again, which left me feeling intimidated and somewhat degraded.
Well, feeling that my college career was in peril, I emailed various friends in the industry to ask advice and also help me prepare for the fallout of any hearing I might have had. As well, I wanted to get the word out that these things still happen.
To be sure, I appreciate all the support I have gotten. It’s been overwhelming and shocking, to say the least. I only wish that it could have been a little more organized and though out, as people’s lives and careers hang in the balance, including mine.
If I’ve learnt anything from this experience, it’s this: sometimes even the things you tell other adults can be taken wrong; sometimes the things you tell people who are part of a department that prides itself in teaching the “liberal arts” can take things wrong… And sometimes the facts get knotted in the process…
In reality, I don’t want a lawsuit. Although there was clearly a wrong done to me, what I really want is just to finish school, something that I have been working very hard to achieve.
Thanks
Jay Armstrong
Jay Armstrong
Yes, I caught the the little mistakes in my last message. There were a few but the letter was quite long and I didn’t do a proofing of it. As well, it happens to be quite late at night here and I still can’t get any sleep… which I desperately need when meeting with the Associate Dean tomorrow.
Thanks
Jay Armstrong
Brian Miller
the stigma attached to it is very strong. So why is this not the same in the gay community?
Ummm… mostly because it’s an irrational stigma?
Brian Miller
The next email I received from Dr Frost stated that “He was not a counselor,” which insinuated that I need psychiatric help. He told me that my email was highly inappropriate and that he was reporting the matter to the appropriate academic boards. In close, he told me never to contact him again
So you have enrolled in his class at a state-funded university, and the guy whose salary is being paid out of your tuition (and everyone else’s tax money) is attempting to claim a right to banish you because he doesn’t like your former line of work?
If anything, you should initiate disciplinary proceedings against HIM. His conduct is unbecoming of an academic environment and an abuse of his position.
scott ny'er
@Jay Armstrong: Whoa. We have a celebrity here! Thanks for filling us in on, with your first account of what happened.
That professor just blew things way out of proportion. I mean, WTH. I remember back in college… undergrad… if I missed the 1st class, I would just come to the 2nd class unprepared. I didn’t even have the forethought to speak with the professor (no email back then) or think I’d be subjected to some form of demerits against my grade because I wasn’t prepared. I was a business major tho, not pre-law.
Good luck, dude.
markuk
Dr. Frost is being highly unprofessional. What this man does in his time out of college (provided it’s all legal, of course) should be no concerrn of the college’s whatsoever. In fact his comments made to Mr. Williams should be enough for him to recieve a warning from the Dean at least. Academia should be a world that is open-minded, fair and accepting of people from all walks of life. This man is clearly a cuckoo in the nest and is not a true academic, judging from his behaviour. But then again he’s a politician of sorts, so what else should we expect apart from bigotry, a desire to control, and arrogance!
Good luck in your studies Mr. Williams
Barney F.
I’m glad Jay cleared up some of the confusion here, but I think there are still many things that remain unclear. The biggest in my mind is the wording of the email that mentioned his work at FabScout. On the face of it, it doesn’t seem like a wise or even useful thing to mention in an email to your political science professor. But honestly, it’s hard to tell.
The only way for us to get to the bottom of this is to see the actual emails. I assume you can’t do this because you’d be violating the professor’s privacy. Additionally, any hope you’d have of resolving this at the university would fly out the window if you published the emails.
Well, I’m reserving judgement until I hear more facts.
wtF!
He says in his e-mail “my two dads”? And he wrote using the Fabscout e-mai? A bright lawyer in the making we do not have here. Go back to getting doublestuffed man.
Jones
The prof looks like a creep, but come on people, just because Armstrong is gay, does that give him a free pass? Really, are we all that naive? There’s something fishy about this story, and his e-mail just raises more doubts. And for God’s sake, what is it with people in our community entering the porn world and then acting all surprised and scared and confused and petrified like he says he has been when it comes back to bite them in the ass? What are they thinking? I surely don’t want this kind of lawyer representing me cause he doesn’t seem too bright. Sad to say, Armstrong made his bed. Now he has to lay in it.
Cam
No. 24 · DaisySanchez said…
My brother was brilliant in college, and the only one who ever did porn. And he was gay. Straight guys and girls in college with a good head on don’t think of doing porn, knowing what can affect them further down the road.
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Really? Carrie Prejean, Paris Hilton, Kim Kardasian, etc…
Cam
No. 35 · Jay Armstrong said..
In passing, I mentioned my background with Fabscout as an assistant to Howard to show my ability to micromanage well, as the job itself requires much. I felt this would somehow assert my character as responsible… but clearly it asserted something else.
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Seriously? Are you fucking kidding me? Look Jay (And the fact that you used your Porn Name rather than Jeremy is telling) your proffessor sounds like a dick, HOWEVER, when you ask for a Syllabus, here’s a thought, just ask for the damn Syllabus. He doesn’t need to know that you worked for a Porn Studio and your duties there have nothing to do with the class. You were already in the class, you didn’t need to try to sell your qualifications to the guy in an e-mail just to get a simple Syllabus. I’m wondering what else you put in the e-mail if he was so easily able to clock you out as a porn actor. In the future when you contact any professor do what EVERY Democrat Student does with a Republican professor or Republican Student does with a Democrat professor…..just stick to the question at hand and leave your life out of it.
Mr. Dawson
Again, what is the big deal with porn? I could care less if my friends or family did porn. What is this the 50’s. What seperates us from straight America is that we are defined by our sexuality. That is all that seperates us from straight America. And FRANKLY we are far more enlighten by the fact that porn is part of our society. So what.
How many straight American do not have a porn DVD in there home?
So what is this man’s character? People who do porn have nothing to be ashamed of. Frankly I admire their guts for doing it. More power to them.
Oh, we are so quick to judge aren’t we. Like we are so little miss perfect. Hey, he made an honest living. He didn’t hurt anyone. He had a good time. Good for him. It’s a job, that’s all. If people have a problem with it that is their problem. Did he do anything to you? Get off your soap box. More power to him.
Jay Armstrong
Jay here again. Most issues have been settled, for the most part between myself and The Associate Dean of Student Affairs and The Dean of Student Affairs…
Perhaps the last part of this process shall be a meeting between Dr Frost and myself. Although it might be somewhat awkward, I’m really hoping to keep Foriegn Policy and World Politics this semester.
On the first day of class, Dr Frost did seem like a cool, interesting instructor, so this only added to my shock of his later comments… But we obviously over-reacted, misenterpretting each others email contact to one another and resolution, which before these blogs came out publicly on campus yesterday, seemed actually right around the corner, as he apparently spoke with the Dean of Student Affairs yesterday and considered the whole case dropped.
Well, if I can take anything from this experience, it’s that “we aren’t in Kansas anymore, Toto…” The adjustment to a small city will be harsher than previously thought, although being from this area, I find the people to be most pleasant… even when some of them are quite… well… you get the picture.
As for the reader who seemsto think that I’m not that bright, you should probably look up the fact that I was a staff writer for Specialty Publications for two years. As well, I’ve lectured to Art History classes on the origins of modern art in america (not as part of a course) and I write five languages fluently!
Jay Armstrong (AKA Jeremy Williams)
Cam
No. 47 · Jay Armstrong said…
As for the reader who seemsto think that I’m not that bright, you should probably look up the fact that I was a staff writer for Specialty Publications for two years. As well, I’ve lectured to Art History classes on the origins of modern art in america (not as part of a course) and I write five languages fluently!
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According to Wikipedia…Specialty Publications is an American publisher of gay erotic material.
Hi Jay…i’m not a prude by anymeans so this isn’t coming from any kind of sexphobic place….however, when trying to bolster your credentials, to either a teacher, or to anybody you may want to avoid constantly falling back on porn as some sort of proof of your qualifications. Fair or not, as sson as you say “Hey, I was a staff writer for a porn company” to back up your contention of your intelligence I can guarentee you that most of the people reading this thought “How f-ing smart do you have to be to write out “Yeah, Private, you want Sarge’s fat Hog don’t you?” “Yes Sarge, give it to me.” Again, fair or not, you sound like you were very submerged in the porn world for a while and fair warning, the people that are important in that world are either unknown outside it or if they are known they aren’t respected. Fluency in 5 languages is much more impressive than writing for a jerk off mag but you put that part in almost as an extra. You aren’t in Kansas anymore, and it isn’t just small towns….outside of West Hollywood, Chelsea etc…the only thing being a porn insider will get you are free drinks from old men at the bar. Get your degree, get a good job and you’ll have all the respect for your mind you want.
UL Alumnus
I was a Poli Sci minor and had Dr. Frost for a class. I can attest to the fact that Dr. Frost LOVES Dr. Frost. He’s a pompous ass, and he never really has cared about his students. This sort of behavior is surprising from any professor, but only mildly so from him.
Benjamin Dorsey
@DemosDemon An earlier poster had clarified the law/pre-law discrepancy, hence the exclusion of it in my post.
DaisySanchez
@Cam
Cam, I think you’re not, or don’t want, to get the point that I am tring to make. A point that I have lived with firsthand because I have seen its dangerous and destructive side upfront.
Yes, those three women you mentioned are not too bright (though with their fame, money and entrepreneurial savvy some would dispute that). The point is: a lot of young gay guys worship porn and enter it thinking it is glamourous, a way of being coveted or accepted or popular. But you find the phenomenon whereas gay guys look quite favorably on that lifestyle, in spite of its potential harmful effects, whereas most young straight guys and girls don’t feel it is quite as important for them. The director of the movie “Shortbus” once said that “making a porn video has become a rite of passage for all gay guys”, and he was actually endorsing it. My question is, with all the beauty and brilliance that gays have, why resort to this?
Ugottabekiddingme
Jay wrote scholarly papers for… a porn company? LOLOL. Oh my, poor future clients who hire him as a lawyer. Maybe as an escort?
Wrong.
@Ben:
No, there is no UL Law school in Baton Rouge. In fact, there is no UL law school at all. There are four law schools in the state of Louisiana: two in New Orleans (Loyola and Tulane), and two in Baton Rouge (LSU and Southern Univ.).
This guy is not in law school (as others have pointed out). He is likely pre-law or just hoping to go to law school… although unfortunately for him, even if he does get into law school eventually, he’s going to have a hard time finding a job because a simple Google search will reveal this entire incident. While most [large] law firms are open to the LGBT community, they’re not exactly open to porn stars. On top of that, smaller firms, and especially those based in the south, will not be nearly as open to LGBT students as the larger “biglaw” firms.
To Mr. Williams: use that “near perfect” GPA to get into law school somewhere far, far away from Louisiana (if you must stay in state, go to Tulane – much better chances of eventually leaving the state). Best of luck to you.
frnsicsgirl
@Jon B: Jon B, do you really need to ask the question why a pre-law major is taking political science classes? Are you shitting me? MY father taught at UNO for 35+ years at UNO and has taught more lawyers, judges, soldiers, and local politicians than you care to hear about. Hence the term POLITICAL. Duh, policians are the ones who make the laws. Have you taken a history class?
Anyway, Mr Williams/Armstrong, while your situation is undoubtedly unfortunate no matter how it came about, my suggestion to you in the future is to keep your sex life to yourself. Regardless of orientation. And I am worried for you too in that that asshole could theoretically “grade” your work on less than meritorious standards, if you get my drift.. Trust me, I am the prodigy of two professors and the ones who taught me expected more due to that very fact. Unfair, but true. I think you understand what I’m getting at.
frnsicsgirl
Correction to my own comment, the 2-time UNO reference was redundant, and the statement that “Duh, policians are the ones who make the laws” should have been spelled politicians.
Cam
No. 51 · DaisySanchez
@Cam
Cam, I think you’re not, or don’t want, to get the point that I am tring to make. A point that I have lived with firsthand because I have seen its dangerous and destructive side upfront.
……..But you find the phenomenon whereas gay guys look quite favorably on that lifestyle, in spite of its potential harmful effects, whereas most young straight guys and girls don’t feel it is quite as important for them. The director of the movie “Shortbus” once said that “making a porn video has become a rite of passage for all gay guys”, and he was actually endorsing it.
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Daisy, you are using a quote from John Cameron Mitchell as your basis for what gay men think? First of all, his movie “Shortbus” contained many more straight people having full sex on camera than gay so apparently he didn’t ahve trouble casting it. Additionally, I wouldn’t call an art filmaker a reasonable source as an example of what all gay men think any more then I would consider Jenna Jameson an example of what all women think.
Maybe you should ask yourself why you think that all gays only think about and worship porn and sex. Did your brother receive this same message after he came out to your family? Was everything about his homosexuality talked about in terms of sex? Did he come to identify sex as his center because of that? Did he feel insecure, ugly, etc… and that was his way of proving he was attractive, Or perhaps your brother was just one of the thousands of people who make bad decisions, get into drugs or drink too much and do things that aren’t what they were brought up to do…like pretty much every single girl on the “Girls Gone Wild” tapes. Those are mostly girls from families that have enough money to send their college age daughters on Spring Break trips, and they should know better then to do something stupid like appear in a video that could ruin their lives….but they do, thousands of them with more and more doing it every week. But unlike you I don’t look at a “Girls Gone Wild” tape and think “Why are all the hetros so stupid”?
Tessie Tura
The bitterness of some of you queens amazes me.
First, those who think this guy is “not hot”.
Excuse me, he got paid to get screwed on camera. Repeatedly. Someone somewhere thought he was hot, and invested time and money in his hotness. How many of *you* have been offered jobs in the porn industry? If we all looked like Zac Efron, this world would be terribly boring. It doesn’t matter WHO the folks at Queerty chooses to depict in pictures, a handful of bitter queens will say “Ugh, he’s ugly” or something else along the same lines.
Then there are those who criticize the man’s postings. When I’m agitated and respond to message groups like these, I’m certainly guilty of misspellings, transposition errors, or lapses in grammar.
Get a life, people. Many gay men have done time in the porn industry, some have even sold their bodies for money.
And the rest of us dropped our drawers for free.
GoGoGod
@no.56, Cam
I see we’re not getting anywhere Cam. While I am raising a legitimate question out of concern and love for the gay community, you still don’t want to see what I am saying, acting rather defensively and now, in your latest posting, even psychoanalyzing me and my family.
If you can’t be honest with yourself and admit that porn is viewed in a much more glamourous way in the gay community, that it is so prevalent (in clubs, bathhouses, magazines, etc.), that it seems to be at the center of it all, then you are lying to yourself. And no, “Girls Gone Wild” is not what every girl aspires to. And yes, I am using the quote from that director because he is esteemed in the gay community and I think he is telling a truth. He was not talking about straights in the movie. He was talking about gays.
Just to clarify: I am in no way a prude that is saying “gays are sex maniacs!”, “ban all porn!”, “go to church!”. I am simply asking a question to which I seem to find no answer. And I would like to see maybe some of the wonderful energies and talents of gay youth, so many of whom feel inadequate because of the image of the perfect male specimen presented in porn and put on a pedestal, be used more constructively (yes, women are objectified as well, but while they may want to be like Hollywood stars, they don’t want to be porn stars. My brother’s friends who were not in porn, handsome college students, all talked about making at least one porn video in their life to show they were “hot”).
If you feel defensive and like I am attacking you and the gay community, which is sort of the drift I am getting from your answers, well, that is entirely your view, not mine.
Good day sir.
GoGoGod
@no.56, Cam
This is Daisy’s brother. And you know nothing of my family.
StudSlut
This guy is too ugly to be a porn star. I think he was screwing the prof, and the old hag kicked him out of his office and now they’re bitching like schoolgirls.
Cam
No. 51 · DaisySanchez said..
But you find the phenomenon whereas gay guys look quite favorably on that lifestyle, in spite of its potential harmful effects, whereas most young straight guys and girls don’t feel it is quite as important for them.
No. 58 · GoGoGod said….
My brother’s friends who were not in porn, handsome college students, all talked about making at least one porn video in their life to show they were “hot”).
Then said…
No. 59 · GoGoGod
@no.56, Cam
This is Daisy’s brother. And you know nothing of my family.
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Daisy, if you’re going to create another screename try not to forget and say something that gives it away. Back to your point. You are taking the case of your brother and trying to foist it off on the entire gay community. All this tells me is that your exposure to the gay community seems to all be sex based, either from your brother or whatever types of places you have read about etc…You then go on to say about porn…
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“If you can’t be honest with yourself and admit that porn is viewed in a much more glamourous way in the gay community, that it is so prevalent (in clubs, bathhouses, magazines, etc.), that it seems to be at the center of it all, then you are lying to yourself. And no, “Girls Gone Wild” is not what every girl aspires to.
And…
The point is: a lot of young gay guys worship porn and enter it thinking it is glamourous, a way of being coveted or accepted or popular.
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Bathouses Daisy? Just what have you been reading? The fact that you would think that things like Bathouses and Porn magazines epitomize gay life pretty much is making me think that your story is bullshit and you are some anti-gay Mormon coming in here to cause trouble. Anybody who really had a gay brother or who bothered to check out the gay community at all would not be making that mistake. I’ve been out for years, have tons of friends and couldn’t name one that has ever been to a bathouse, wanted to do porn or ever given a thought to something that the director of Shortbus said. If your story is true, then it sounds like your brother got involved in the sex industry and therefore that is all you see when you think of “Gay”. Much the same way that any relatives of girls that get into stripping are going to think that all dancers are like that. Please don’t try to tell me that lots of girls don’t aspire to be on “Girls Gone Wild” or Hooters Waitresses or strippers and THEN try to tell me that based upon your experience with your brother and reading a quote from some movie director that all gay men are this way or that. Sorry Daisy, but if you are going to try to paint all of us with that brush it can spash right back on you.
hyhybt
“Many gay men have done time in the porn industry, some have even sold their bodies for money.”
I never have quite understood that expression. Surely they only rented it out.
ashley
I am 2006 University of Louisiana Alumni and grew up in the community of Lafayette. I can say with certainty that the University will not pursue this – it’s not a religous university and there is nothing in the by-laws and rules that would permit descrimination on these grounds.
GoGoGod
@no.61 Cam
I am Daisy’s brother u asshole. We live together, and she takes care of me because I am sick. What got me where I am today? Porn. And YOU must be the troll who knows nothing about young gay guys and sex. Dont know anyone whose never gone to a bathhouse? really? Ha, I think the mormon causing trouble here is you. You are so blind and full of hatred that you cant even see what shes saying. When did you last go to college moron, 1932? i just love your holier than thou attitude, as if you’re some kind of gay crusader defending gay rights. An oh yeah, ALL girls in American want to be on “Girls Gone Wild.” Riiiight.
How ignorant can u be? Well, now you know someone who was in porn, and whose life was pretty much fucked up by it as a 19-year-old. And did I have gay role models? Umm, no, cause all those mature guys like you were trolling around and paying me to have sex. We are ten percent of the population and we consume more porn statistically than straights, or, maybe u call them breeders? cuz it sure sounds like u hate them. do u have any sisters? brothers? i guess not. and since i see that you post here so often, u probably dont have any real friends. Pathetic. Dont write to me anymore. U probably at some rally with Dustin Lance Black, one of our so-called “gay role models.” NOT. I cant stand losers like u.
Lukas P.
GOGO and DAISY: If your story is true, and if you really ARE two separate people, you could pursue having your saga covered by journalists, in OUT, Advocate, your local gay press, etc.
Unfortunately, you’ve highjacked an interesting thread about someone else and their story. Your own tale, if true, can make more of an impact told in the right forum by a real journalist, based on facts.
JohnathanHasHadIt
no. 65,
How is the story of a douchebag porn star more interesting?
Lukas P.
@JohnathanIsANameCaller: Compare: Story A whose main points have evidence for them AND which deals with someone’s rights to pursue a career.
AND: Story B: Unverified story told by unknown person or persons who offer no evidence, laden with an anti-porn message based on personal experience.
No reason why each tale couldn’t have its own space, as long as there’s some truth behind it and some compelling storyline.
JonathanHasHadIt
No.67,
Right Lukas P., let’s give credence to a porn star. Bravo.
TheAwfulTruth
Well, ANOTHER gay man takes another “illustrious” step into the world of porn… Humm, just wondering, why?
From gossip website TMZ – ‘Big Brother’s’ Gay Cowboy Gets Bucked on Tape:
The gay rodeo champion who was evicted from the “Big Brother 10? house has found a new use for his assless chaps — dude is officially entering the world of gay porn.
18 months after he was evicted from the “BB” house, Steven Daigle was so comfortable in front of the cameras, he decided to sign on to a man-on-man-on-man sex tape with a company called C1R.com.
We’re told Daigle was approached with the idea by porn director Chi Chi LaRue — who originally met Daigle at a “Big Brother” wrap party.
Daigle tells us, “I didn’t expect my life to take this path, but when I was presented with the opportunity, I dove in head first… literally.”
As for the footage, we’re told most of the film is already in the can.
Since Steven Daigle was a rodeo competitor and champion bull rider in the gay rodeo circuit (source). It comes natural that his gay porn debut is a cowboy-theme porn movie. And Chi Chi LaRue just posted a HOT picture of hunky porn star Josh Griffin with nothing but a cowboy hat. I assume Josh is one of the cast of this porn project.
Now the question is, what is Steven Daigle role in this movie? Top? Bottom? Solo? or just a cameo appearance?
Cassandra
“Straight guys and girls in college with a good head on don’t think of doing porn, ”
lol, DaisySanchez. Facebook, myspace, sexting – the world doesn’t match your fantasy.
Hets guys and girls are filling the ‘net with photos and movies of their sexual escapades.
By the way, the sockpuppet thing – gogogod – not convincing at all.
nikko
JAY, why would you go into porn in the first place if you’d be pursuing a career in law?! How could anyone think that their porn past in porn will not catch up with them?! Porn is never really a career option.
fredo777
This professor sounds like a complete asshole. As was already stated, his porn past should have no bearing on his academic standing, particularly if this isn’t a religious school. I hope Frost gets the backlash that he deserves for his behavior.
NYerInMpls
This article is disturbing.
Obviously, the fact that Dr. Frost, a law professor of all things, would make such puritanical threats in this day and age is horrifying.
But honestly, I’m even more disturbed by the juvenile, entendre-laden, snarky writing of the article itself. Really? Isn’t our community capable of taking itself more seriously yet?
Sad.
Farskwa
Schools should have NOTHING to say about activity that happens outside of schools. This would be like going to Amsterdam to smoke pot and then getting arrested by US authorities when you get back.
Even if it was illegal(which staring in porn is not) then the proper authorities(local government, state government, federal government,…) should be involved and unless it happened at school the school should not.
Countries generally do not prosecute for things that happen outside of their borders unless it is related to government business abroad(i.e. you’re working for the government while abroad such as in the military or as an ambassador), why should schools be any different?
Wheaton
@Cam: Finally, a common-sense response. I’ve never heard of so much drama, or machinations, to get a syllabus. He only missed one class. Just show up to the next one and ask for one. Jesus! Or make a copy of a classmate’s.
And if his post here is an example of his essay writing, neither Duke or Virginia is going to be interested.
I’m not taking the side of the professor, if he is genuinely harassing Armstrong, but there is still something that doesn’t smell right about this story.
fredo777
Upon reading through all of the posts, I notice that Jay/Jeremy had already posted with an update on the matter before my last post.
Aside from that, I didn’t realize how many judgmental, uptight characters post on this blog. I’ve never known so many people who make such a big deal about porn. Gay, straight, or otherwise.
george
@Colby412:
didnt the senator from mass. did nude pics.
fredo777
@Oh Boy:
“But you are correct that most straight college kids with a good head would never think of doing that”
I think that’s way off-the-mark, as it’s probably more common than not to find young guys (straight or not) who fantasize about what it’d be like as a professional porn actor.
justiceontherocks
The headline says Frost is a law professor and he’s not. The article says Williams is a law student and he’s not. So why am I supposed to believe any of this?