Queerty is better as a member
I’m so sick of this.
ok, either Instinct magazine are taking all their stories from Queerty, or Queerty are taking all of their news from Instinct magazine. opinions?
A sad story that highlights bullying, violence against women, violence against LGBTs, homophobia, heterosexism, and general ignorance. Hopefully they’ll nail the stupid hick and throw the book at him.
The rage he showed towards this woman is immense. How can the woman with him stand by and let this happen? What example does he set for his spawn? I hope they catch him.
The Mesquite police aren’t treating the assault as a hate crime as of yet since the dispute between the children was at the core of the conflict.”
No, they aren’t treating it as a hate crime against a lesbian because that police dept. won’t do it unless forced to.
@Captain proton: I think Queerty gets all of it’s stories from Huffington Post, Towleroad, and Instinct. LOL
O.K. I’m sorry to be a dick in this instance but something smells fishy (pun intended) in Denmark here. Did the girlfriend do nothing to help her partner? Could she not get a license plate number or did neither have a cell phone to call 911 or police? I hate to think badly about my fellow LGBTers but I smell a domestic dispute turned political here. Anyone else?
I will be the first one to apologize if I’m proven wrong but let’s face it every community has it’s oddballs. Sort of like Tawana Brawley, the Nebraska lesbian who claimed she was attacked in her own home and had the word “dyke” carved into her stomach, only to be discovered she did it to herself, or like Kyle Wood, the gay Republican campaign worker in Wisconsin who claimed he was attacked in his own home but was discovered to have also faked his assault.
Again, my apologies in advance to these two woman if they are vindicated by an actual arrest occurring or if their stories prove to be true. I just get a whiff of pretense in this story.
ah, man, Chad Hunt, I hope you are wrong about this theory. That would be a true, blue bummer.
This happened 15 minutes from my house, right across the street from where I went to high school. I can’t believe the police don’t even have the man in custody and they are already making excuses to not charge him with a hate crime. Whatever happens I will be on the lookout for that car and when he is found and identified I will make sure my neighbors know his name and what kind of hateful monster he is.
Someone in the family has set up a donation page for Sondra here: http://www.gofundme.com/27331s
@Chad Hunt: 7
What you say is possible.
Makes you really wonder about the partner and what she did throughout all of this.
We’re all naturally curious about details cause they are important.
We’ll have to wait and see.
Please post this edit on your donation page and maybe edit it more yourself if needed. It will cause it to have a better chance to be featured when and if someone submits the page to gofundme.com asking them to feature it on the front page of the main website. I stands a really big chance of happening, and will help you guys out sooo much more. Hope you’re awake.
My name is Cindy Scarber. I am Sondra Scarber’s mother. You can see my daughters story on WFAA.com, Huffington Post Gay Voices, Mesquite Scanner, and me on Facebook.
My 27 year old daughter was at the park with her girlfriend and her son, playing on February 17, 2013 at 2:30 p.m., when a bigger boy around 12 began bullying their 4 year old son son, Jaxon. My daughter asked the older boy to please stop. The boy went to his car to his parents at their car and upon returning the boy said “That’s him!”. My daughter replied, “I am a female. I am a girl.” Without warning, the B/M punched my daughter while calling her a white dyke bit** and knocked her out with the first blow. He continued kicking, punching, and slapping my daughter, breaking her nose, and shattering her jaw. He stole her earrings, teal Mainers hat, and her blue I-Phone 4, which he dropped as he ran from the scene. He choked Sondra with her cross necklace which did not break, and even tried to take her Nike shoes. All of this, in front of a B/F he was with and his 4 children. Sondra suffered two concussions on both sides of her head.
About fourteen men playing basketball and their girlfriends were in the area, but no one tried to help my daughter or her girlfriend, Hillary. They were driving an older silver Chevy Impala with paper tags. This occurred in Mesquite, Texas at Seaborn Elementary on a Sunday. yes the police were called the man and hid family drove away before the police got there and yes Hillary tried to stop this creep
@cindy scarber: Seriously, the more I hear the less I believe this story … QUOTE
“The boy went to his car to his parents at their car and upon returning the boy said “That’s him!”. My daughter replied, “I am a female. I am a girl.” Without warning, the B/M punched my daughter while calling her a white dyke bit** and knocked her out with the first blow. He continued kicking, punching, and slapping my daughter, breaking her nose, and shattering her jaw. He stole her earrings, teal Mainers hat, and her blue I-Phone 4, which he dropped as he ran from the scene. He choked Sondra with her cross necklace which did not break, and even tried to take her Nike shoes.”
Again, where is the girlfriend in all of this? He stops to take out earrings, chokes her, kicking, punching, slapping, steals her hat, phone and tries for the shoes all while the gf with her does nothing. Not even trying to stop the guy or walk over to the car and get a license plate when all of this is going on. Now they have a gofundme site. Imagine that.
I totally smell some rotten tuna here. That story does not ad up whatsoever. 12 people watch, no one helps, and after story breaks no one comes forward as a witness? Come on now. How gullible do you think we are? I really do hate to say it but I don’t believe this story for a minute.
Let’s time line this …
Kid goes to his car and brings back his dad who begins to punch, kick, slap this woman long enough to knock her out, break her nose, give her concussion etc, (5 min.)
Takes out her earrings, takes her hat, chokes her with necklace, takes her phone, and tries for shoes (another 5 -10 min)
His G/f and 4 kids are all watching and then they walk back to their car, and get 4 kids into it and drive away. (another 5 min)
So within the 15-20 minutes this is going on the woman’s gf doesn’t get a description, doesn’t snap a pic of them with her phone, doesn’t take a pic of car, license plate or anything but what? Just stands there?
Don’t believe this story for a second. Sorry but I can’t seem to let this go. Just doesn’t ad up in my opinion.
Am I just being a prick or does anyone else not think this?
@Chad Hunt: You are definitely a dick, there is no doubt about that. Your first reaction when a woman is beaten is to demand she explain herself to you. You do not know the area, it is not unthinkable that many around here wouldn’t lift a finger to help someone being attacked, especially if the person attacking them is in a blind rage and attacking someone LGBT. It is unknown who the police have spoken to and what kind of information they have been given but it may very well be that they are having trouble getting any witnesses to talk either because they don’t want to help because the victim is a lesbian or because there are may communities of people in this area who are justifiably afraid of talking to the police. I am not saying that all angles of this shouldn’t be looked at, that is true whenever a crime has been committed. What I am saying is you don’t live here and you aren’t a police officer investigating this so how about since you have no information about what happened outside of a few brief articles and some info from a donation page you stifle yourself from attacking the victim and wait to see what new information comes out as the investigation proceeds.
@smartguyd: I love the way you assume to know me and exactly my train of thought. Naturally, when you first hear these types of stories you are shocked and appalled that this time of alleged event still takes place in the world. So NO, my first reaction was not demand her or her girlfriend explain themselves.
However, after you reread the alleged events several times out of your shock and awe you begin to notice things. Then, as anyone intelligent does, you simply don’t take a one source approach to get the truth, but begin to look at other sources on the net etc. (Facebook, other articles, other sources)
You then begin to notice on one page the boy was 10 and on here 12, you notice on one page the boy’s offending parent was supposedly smoking some type of drug, one site says he drops the phone while fleeing, while another says the girlfriend retrieved the phone directly from the attacker, one site then says he takes her earrings, and hat, and chokes, and goes for her shoes while this is not mentioned in other sites. You have the supposed mother posting to a Queer website a place for people to make donations since her daughter may be off work for 9-24 months. REALLY?
You start to notice all of this discrepancies in the tale, you wonder what the gf was doing the whole time of the attack. Again, a 20 minute attack with no real description of attackers, no pics, no license plate, no witnesses, nothing. In a 15-20 minute attack you think if nothing else when the attacker was walking away with his gf and 4 kids, and trying to get them all in a car you’d either snap a photo, or write down the license plate number. A whole 10 seconds needed to do that from a 15-20 minute attack.
You also seem to know where I am from and where I have lived all my life. I have lived in Texas and it was in a small town in Texas called Giddings. So I am well aware of the conservative nature etc of the area. However, two women with a 4 year old child screaming at a public park and not one person out of 12 supposedly there tries to help, not even after the attacker leaves? Sure maybe they don’t want to help while attack is taking place for their own safety but after he leaves , still NO HELP? Sorry, have to wonder at that.
Again, I said from the beginning, I’d be first to apologize if I am wrong, however, their have been plenty of this “alleged” lgbt attacks that turn out to be stagger, false, or self inflicted as I pointed out in my post #7. There has been no follow up or new information released by police so it does make you wonder as to why. So maybe I am a dick, but I like to look for the truth in everything I hear or read and do not just blindly accept things at face value which it appears many hear have done.
If looking for the truth makes me a dick, so be it. Finally, and in conclusion, I totally hope I am wrong and this did happen because it hurts the LGBT cause for “protection laws” when many of this “alleged” attacks turn out to be false claims.
I wish Ms. Scarber and her girlfriend nothing but a speedy recovery and hope she is vindicated in her story.
… wow after rereading my last post, all of the grammatical errors have me annoyed. I wish Queerty would have an edit feature so you could fix those damn things. LOL
@Chad Hunt: So, given your skepticism, what do you propose is the truth? Did she have someone break her jaw and nose just to set up a fund site? The level of your skepticism is oddly strong.
@Aidan8: @Aidan8: I do not make any assumptions of what the truth may be. Why did Tawana Brawley carve slurs in her chest with a knife and claim she was attacked? Who knows? Maybe she tripped and smacked her face on the pavement and decided she needed a way to have it paid. Maybe the gf beat her up and she has battered wife syndrome, there could be a million reason and I assume none of them to be the truth.
All I have said is her story could be true but there are a lot of things that just don’t add up in my opinion. Of course, in every situation there is 1 persons truth, the other person involved’s truth, and the real truth.
We will just have to wait and see. I have fully acknowledge I could 100% be wrong and have pre-apologized for my skepticism.
@Chad Hunt: ” Then, as anyone intelligent does, you simply don’t take a one source approach to get the truth, but begin to look at other sources on the net etc. (Facebook, other articles, other sources.” Oh I am sorry I didn’t know you had read someone’s blog post and a Facebook comment. Also I love how you know so much about this specific situation because you lived in Texas once. This is happened in MY town, 15 minutes from MY house, where I was BORN AND RAISED and where I have lived for 23 YEARS. But what do I know, I am sure that little town you lived in for a while, 200 miles away, in a different part of the state is the exact same.
@smartguyd: Dude you are making yourself more and more ignorant as you continue to lash out at me for no reason. I stated I read several sources not just 1 blog and Sandra’s Facebook. I have seen the news video, read at least 10 on line articles, Sandra’s Facebook, The gofundme post, and other sources. I never said I know so much detail about the area. All I said is I am well aware of the conservative nature in small town Texas. I was agreeing with your earlier post about small town Texas.
I havent even begun to punch holes in the story. I could mention that since they I.D.’d the color and type of car and the fact it had a temporary tag it shouldn’t be to hard for police to pull up a BMV record of matching color vehicles with temporary tags in a certain radius. Since this happened in a small town I’m sure it has been all over the local news but no one has come forward and said, “Hey my neighbor is black, has a girlfriend with 4 kids, drives a silver impala. That is another reason for skepticism. Why is the guy’s partner listed as his girlfriend and not his wife? How does Ms. Scarber know they weren’t married?
Like I said twelve witnesses playing basketball but none of them call police, none of them snap a picture, none of them try to help during or after the attack. No witness has come forward. No further information or update available.
I never said this for sure did not happen. All I have ever said is there seems to be a lot of holes and inconsistencies in the portrayal of events.
I sincerely hope if it did happen they catch the guy. Their is nothing wrong with being skeptical and having an open mind. I have acknowledged in every post that this could have transpired exactly as listed. I have never personally attacked Ms. Scarber, her girlfriend, or anyone who believes the story. I have only maintained there seems to be a lot of holes in the story that I wish I had more information about to fill in those gaps.
Your idiocy in attacking me because I am asking questions is just ridiculous and not necessary.
@Chad Hunt: Chad Hunt, dude, dildo, whatever,…you’re a more to the fucking on. You’re right, you make a lot of sense, and everyone else is silly for not being skeptic about such a fishy thing like this. I like how you read 10 articles only to try to prove a point and then pretend that you sincerely hope the best for that family (I would try to hide those kind of feeling in my writing if I were you, cause it comes out as clear as 1+1). Thank you, king of the hill, we really needed your little timeline and for you to break down the series of events to prove your thoughts on this chick involving a broken jaw, concussions, as well as a 4 year old, or however old he is. I’m sure you can enlighten us with this info too. You want us to consider that they’re doing this for attention or money. They didn’t even set up a fund until a handful of days after the fact, and I’m sure people were asking how to help like it shows on the lady’s faceboob. The kids playing nearby could have been punks, I mean, it even seems the police weren’t trying to put too much work into it either. If she broke her jaw for attention, then she deserves the attention anyway. I wish there were more people who thought in such a realistic, intellectual way as you do, especially in the the LGBT community. I would bet anything that you’re employed as an detective. Also,thanks for the tip. I think i’ll have an accident falling on stairs tomorrow where my face will look like like it got punched in all the right places.
And, I’m gonna knowingly go get 2 concussions that could possibly kill me now and have a few people punch me in the face, just enough to shatter it up a bit. ..You know, I am also jealous of anyone that has a page for donations. That girl in a wheelchair…nobody even knows her story, she’s could easily be running a marathon right now..and she doesn’t even have a broken face or head trauma! Fuck!
Ughh, why do I have such bad grammar. I hate looking like that.
@Jude556: Yet again another person who attacks me instead of showing any type of argument that can refute the possibilities. Yet another person who thinks to put words in my mouth.
Let’s go through your idiocy as well …
“Chad Hunt, dude, dildo, whatever,…you’re a more to the fucking on. You’re right, you make a lot of sense, and everyone else is silly for not being skeptic about such a fishy thing like this.” … Ad hominem attacks on me, then saying I called everyone silly. Never happened. All I have said was it seems like there are a lot of holes & inconsistencies in this story and asked if anyone else thought the same.
“I like how you read 10 articles only to try to prove a point and then pretend that you sincerely hope the best for that family (I would try to hide those kind of feeling in my writing if I were you, cause it comes out as clear as 1+1).” …
I read ten+ articles to understand the real story and NEVER get my news from one story like a low information blind sheep only hearing what they want to hear, instead of being interested in the truth, and yes I do have concern for her and the family if their story is true.
“You want us to consider that they’re doing this for attention or money. They didn’t even set up a fund until a handful of days after the fact, and I’m sure people were asking how to help like it shows on the lady’s faceboob.” … I have only pointed out inconsistencies and referenced a few past stories when it was proven the people involved did lie for a variety of reason. I never once said she was, I even said if she is lying i make no assumptions as to why she would because there could be a million reasons why. The fact that the gofundme site was only set up a few days ago proves nothing.
“The kids playing nearby could have been punks, I mean, it even seems the police weren’t trying to put too much work into it either. If she broke her jaw for attention, then she deserves the attention anyway.” … I see you love to make assumptions on other people’s character but can’t bring yourself to question Ms. Scarbers. I mean certainly 14 men playing basketball must all be punks and clearly the girlfriends who were supposedly there with them were all assholes too. “If she broke her jaw for attention, (which I never said), then she deserves the attention anyway”, what kind of nonsense is that! You said, “The police don’t seem to be putting an effort into it either”, so clearly that means all of them are bigoted assholes instead of the possibility they don’t believe her story as professional investigators or possibly noticed holes and inconsistencies.
“I wish there were more people who thought in such a realistic, intellectual way as you do, especially in the the LGBT community.” … Thanks, I’m glad you agree people should think in a more realistic, intellectual way instead of accepting someone’s story at face value.
“I would bet anything that you’re employed as an detective. Also,thanks for the tip. I think i’ll have an accident falling on stairs tomorrow where my face will look like like it got punched in all the right places.
And, I’m gonna knowingly go get 2 concussions that could possibly kill me now and have a few people punch me in the face, just enough to shatter it up a bit. ..You know, I am also jealous of anyone that has a page for donations. That girl in a wheelchair…nobody even knows her story, she’s could easily be running a marathon right now..and she doesn’t even have a broken face or head trauma! Fuck!” … more ad hominem attacks on me instead of being able to refute anything I have said as a possibility. Putting more words in my mouth that I never said, Never once said she did this on purpose to herself, I said it was a possibility, I even stated she could have had an accident or girlfriend could of beaten her, or any host of other possibilities including she is telling the truth.
“Ughh, why do I have such bad grammar. I hate looking like that.” YA, I do hate it when I forget to proofread, so what does that mean. God forbid I want what I say to be spelled or worded correctly. It is called responsible journalism.
In fact, I called the Mesquite police department and asked if they were any leads etc. or any new information about the case. Did you? All they were able to say is they have an open ongoing case and were not prepared to make any public announcements at this time. They referred me to call the public information line on monday to see if they were prepared to make any statements. Again it is called responsible journalism.
So let me get this straight. You would rather believe that 14 plus men playing ball, along with their girlfriends, (so possibly up to 28 people at the park), plus the whole of the Mesquite police force, plus the attacker, his girlfriend, and their 4 kids are all asshole bigots (up to what 30-50 people) instead of believe the possibility that 2 are lying. Glad you have such faith in your common man.
So let me get this straight from the minds of @Jude556: @smartguyd: , @Aidan8:
You’d rather believe that all of these people at the park (14 men playing basketball along with their girlfriends, the entirety of the Mesquite police force, the attacker, his partner, their 4 kids, and me are all bigoted assholes instead of entertain the idea that 2 people could possibly be making up a false story for whatever reason. (Not to mention that everyone else in the town must be assholes as well since no one has come forward to say, “Hey, I know a black guy with 4 kids, a wife, and drives a silver impala with temporary tags)
Your faith in humanity is awe inspiring.
Let’s also not forget from my very first comment I have said this story could be true, if it is I hope the guy gets what is coming to him.
Apparently I’m just an asshole though for pointing out variations in the story, holes, inconsistencies, and for wanting to believe that so many people wouldn’t just let this type of attack happen without helping in some capacity. (Either during or after the attack) I’m an asshole for wanting to know the truth.
@Chad Hunt: Bit full of yourself for someone so clearly wrong. Given how much better than you I am at spotting a rat I haven’t seen any information or disparities between the reported events and the story as proposed by the actual people involved.
@2eo: Exactly how am I wrong by simply stating this story may or may not be true? It has yet to be proven either way by an arrest & conviction, witnesses, or the police claiming she made a false report. ALL possibilities still exist at the present time. Your opinion that you THINK you are better at me in anything is meaningless. I suggest you read all the various articles on line, watch the news report, read the facebook page, read the mothers post on here, and the gofundme page and then tell me the story is consistent.
Then there is the old adage, that the truth is almost always what is most plausible. Again, I ask what is more plausible. A large group of men and woman at the park (possibly over 20) witnessed 2 women with a 4 year old child attacked and beaten but lifted no finger to help, call police, get a license plate number, or even bother to help after the fact, the girlfriend also doesn’t bother to take a picture, get a good description of attackers, get the license plate number, and is not harmed in any way, the attacker attacks the one woman but doesn’t even touch the other who supposedly tries to stop him. I mean he already apparently beat up one lesbian mother why not 2? In one story he tries to steal her iPhone but drops it, in another the girlfriend retrieves it from him yet still no pics taken of attacker, car, etc. He also spends a lot of time attacking the woman with so many witnesses none of him will come forward. He beats her, kicks, slaps, punches her, chokes her while trying to steal her necklace which won’t break off, takes the time to steal her earrings from her ears but simply doesn’t unfasten the necklace, he takes her iPhone, and hat, then tries to steal her shoes, he walks away without the other lesbian following him to get the license number or take a pic with the phone he drops or even her own, all the while the attacker, his wife and their 4 kids are getting into the car. HMMMM “Possible”, maybe, ”
“2 people are lying for whatever reason to cover up the truth of what happened”
Which is more probable?
And yet again, as I have stated from the beginning her story does have the possibility of being true but doesn’t seem all that probable.
I love how everyone’s defense of this woman is just that I am wrong, (which again, how can I be wrong by simply stating she could be telling the truth or she could not be), and everyone witnessing the attack, the police, me, and the alleged attackers are bigoted assholes, but can offer no supporting evidence to prove their theories. I mean sure, if the hospital report says the injuries are consistent with this woman’s story at least there would be some evidence of her telling the truth. As it stands all there is, is her word that this is what happened.
The truth is out there, Chad Hunt, hold your cards close to your chest. If it’s b.s. then that will fly soon. If it’s true, then your words may undermine their fund raising efforts. I hope it’s not a fake story, for our community’s sake.
@1EqualityUSA: I agree, the truth is out there, I also hope her story for the sake of our community is true, there have been to many stories of late proven not to be true which only hurts our cause.
I don’t see any harm in telling people to be cautious before sending money. At least if they wait for proof of the story being true they know they are doing the right thing. As of yet, all we have right now is this woman and her partners story.
The thing that always annoys me in these stories is the irresponsible journalism. Why has no one called the hospital to find out if the injuries are consistent with the story, since this happened at a school playground is there no outside video surveillance or neighborhood surveillance, has no one besides me called the police to see if they have any leads, witnesses, or suspect in custody.
What ever happened to in depth, investigative reporting? Oh wait I know, the internet killed that as it has countless other professions.
This is why it pays to be skeptical: lgbtqnation.com/2012/12/lesbian-who-faked-hate-crime-found-guilty-after-pleading-no-contest/
Lesbian who FAKED hate crime found guilty after pleading ‘no contest’
By Chris Dyer
LINCOLN, Neb. — In a Lancaster County courtroom Monday, Judge Gale Pokorny, found Charlie Rogers guilty of staging a fake anti-gay hate crime that shocked both the citizens of Lincoln, Neb., and the nation — first for the brutality of the alleged crime, and then for lying about the crime.
Rogers, 34, pleaded no contest in court this afternoon, a reversal of the not guilty plea she had made in the case earlier in September. Pokorny set the date of her sentencing for February, 14, 2013.
(CNN) — A Louisiana woman who said she had been set afire by white supremacists inflicted her injuries herself, police said Tuesday.
Sharmeka Moffitt was found in a city park in Winnsboro, in rural northeastern Louisiana, on Sunday night with burns over 90% of her body. The 20-year-old told police she had been attacked and set ablaze by three men who wrote “KKK” on her car, but Winnsboro Police Chief Lester Thomas said Tuesday afternoon that evidence found on a cigarette lighter and a bottle of charcoal lighter fluid showed “this was not an attack, but a self-inflicted incident.”
Investigators released little else at a Tuesday afternoon news conference.
Kyle Wood Assault ‘Unfounded,’ As Wisconsin Volunteer Recants Claim Of Hate Crime Attack
MISSOULA, August 9, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – In yet another example of an alleged “hate crime” unraveling, a young homosexual whose tale of abuse became a national issue has admitted he made the whole thing up.
Joseph Baken admitted in court today that he had perpetrated a hoax by telling police three men had beaten him because he was homosexual, lacerating his face.
A photo of Joseph Baken’s bruised face went viral, but it turns out that the story behind where Baken got the bruises was a hoax.
Baken initially said he entered the Missoula Club last Saturday to celebrate his 22nd birthday, announced he was gay, and asked for directions to a gay bar. He called the police three hours later, at 4:30 a.m, saying a man had lured him outside to smoke a cigarette, where two other men joined him beating Baken and called him a “f—-ot.”
These are just a few in a series of cases like this that have happened recently.
Again, all I have stated from the beginning is Sondra Scarber may or may not be telling the truth. I hope she is telling the truth for the sake of other victims and the lgbt cause of prosecuting hate crimes, Right now there has been NO PROOF to support or deny her claims. I assert people should be cautious before giving money. We can not as a community believe everything we hear when there has been no proof.
The fact that I am skeptical just shows that I am able to face realities in varying situations. Yes, there are plenty of victims of hate crimes in the LGBT community. Everyone of them needs to be prosecuted. However there are also plenty of people who for whatever reason make up stories and even go so far as to injure themselves.
ALL THINGS ARE FAKE BECAUSE THESE MINOR EXAMPLES FROM MULTIPLE YEARS SUPPORT MY ASSERTATION.
@Chad Hunt: RE your #24: Chad, take a deep breath. I didn’t say you’re an asshole or anything like that. I also don’t take the story without a degree of skepticism. I’m just struck by the level of your skepticism and, even more, struck by the fact that you’ve taken the time and expended the energy to comment as much as you have. At this point your comments add up to a magazine-expose in quantity. It’s just kinda striking that you are so so so invested in it. That’s all.
@Chad Hunt: You are a disgusting disgrace to the human race. I was gay bashed in San Francisco 9 years ago (of all places), in front of dozens of people. Not ONE person willingly came forward as a witness, and when the police arrived I was the only one who was searched for weapons (before I could speak to the cops), while standing there bloodied and bruised. I’m guessing, in your eyes this must not have happened either because no one came forward to help me or to stick around until the police showed. People like you who blame the victim for their misfortunes are truly the scum of the earth. I hope you endure the same fate as this woman so that a bunch of internet trolls can doubt the authenticity of your claims.
@jurlesia: He’s a god botherer, and as such couldn’t give a fuck about actual people. He does like defending kiddie fiddlers though, so don’t be skeptical about the hundreds of thousands of child [email protected]
It’s kids faults for dressing provocatively [obviously], and totally looking 8 years old.
As someone who experienced a scalpel through my hand in front of an entire class, of whom none backed me I know exactly how dejected it feels.
@2eo: I just love how you always resort to childish behavior and try to put words in peoples mouth. Never once did I say her story was fake I said it had the possibility of not being true. All of the cases I reported on were not from multiple years they all happened in 2012 and I could quote quite a few more. Run along now adults are speaking.
@Aidan8: I’m just defending my idea from people who are not able to refute the possibility of my claims other than by saying me and everyone else in the world are assholes. I actually didn’t mean to add you to my post #26 but hit submit before notice I had added you.
It’s ridiculous on here how you can intelligently lay out a possibility and everyone just attacks you with ad hominem rhetoric or childish behavior. Especially since as I have stated over and over she could be possibly telling the truth. I don’t know, but without further information there is no telling for sure and people should be cautious before sending money to people they don’t know.
Again, not saying you are attacking me but clearly several people are for doing nothing other than being a bit skeptical and defending the possibility of my position.
@jurlesia: You are attacking me and putting words in my mouth. I never stated this for sure did not happen. but there is a possibility that it could have happened in another manner than what has been told. I have no idea of your story, I have never seen the facts of the police report, your medical report, your statements etc so presuming to know what I would say is just immature at best. I have not blamed anyone for anything. It has not even been made clear for sure with evidence that she was victimized as yet. All we know for sure at this point is she said she was.
@2eo: #35 … I love how you alway lie and attack people on her with no proof to back your words up.
“He’s a god botherer, and as such couldn’t give a fuck about actual people. He does like defending kiddie fiddlers though, so don’t be skeptical about the hundreds of thousands of child [email protected]
Do I believe in God, absolutely, to say that means I don’t care about people is beyond hyperbolic, ad hominem, immature, and just plain stupid. Please show with proof one post from me where I have defended “kiddie fiddlers.” Your lies are meaningless and just show your true character.
All I can do is hope one day you grow up and act mature, oh, and flag and report you for violating the terms of service by making personal attacks.
Look … a perfectly believable story. Police had nothing to go on but a description of the vehicle and found it in a day.
Conspiracy theorists don’t care who they hurt, as evidenced by the sandy hook shooting victims
This thread is now utterly tiring.
@Chad Hunt: The problem here isn’t your skepticism. It is the level of it, coupled with the lack of sympathy for the victim. This is the sort of “blame the victim” mentality that keeps victims from coming forward.
Do people fake hate crimes? Absolutely. But this fake until proven otherwise mentality is not a good route to take.
@Shannon1981: I don’t have a fake until proven otherwise mentality. If you go all the way back to my first comment I had simply said something didn’t seem right with the story as being told. I simply asked what was Sandra Scarber’s gf doing the whole time this attack was taking place? I even apologized in my first comment that my skepticism may be wrong but to me something didn’t add up.
It wasn’t until comment #12 and we find out all of these other details including the supposed robbery, and large amount of bystanders etc that my skepticism grew so I began reading other articles on the net. All the while, in every comment I have made saying this story could be true. I have made several comments that if it is true then the guy and his wife or girlfriend both need to be prosecuted
However, attack after attack came at me for even “suggesting” that someone could make up a false attack. Thats ridiculous. Thousands of false police reports are filed every year. All I did was defend my position that it was “possible.” You should never just blindly believe any story. It is crazy I am being attacked for making a suggestion.
Again, as I have stated in every comment I make, this story could absolutely be 100% true as told. However we have no information other than this is what Sondra and her girlfriend say is what happened. We don’t know the “alleged” perpetrators story of events, we don’t have any word from the police, we don’t have a hospital report stating the injuries are consistent with the type of attack Sondra describes, we don’t have any witnesses, all we have at the moment is a “possibility” of the truth.
Your supposition that I have no sympathy for the victim is also incorrect. My disdain for this story has not even been aimed at Sondra it has been aimed at the gf. I’m sorry, if my spouse was being attacked and robbed I would call 911, try to stop the attack or at least been attacking the guy back, take pictures with my phone, been screaming for help at the top of my lungs, and write down the license plate number. The gf apparently does none of this at least not in any story I have read other than her mother saying she made attempt to stop the guy but no other details.
I’m just being realistic. You are at the park with your spouse and child when your spouse is attacked. the first thing you do is get the child to safety, call the police, try to stop the attack or attack back, scream for help, take pictures, get a description, and write down the license plate number. Especially when the attacker is taking the time to pull your earrings out, take your phone out from your pocket, take your hat, and try for your shoes, choking your spouse with a necklace and then walking back to his car all the while getting his 4 kids and spouse in the car as well, then walk over to the 20+ people watching and get names or license plate numbers while you wait for the cops.
I actually feel real bad for Sondra, not only for the supposed attack, but if this story is true then her girlfriend is really useless in a volatile situation.
AGAIN and FINALLY, because I am bored at defending a possibility, These 2 women may be telling the TRUTH the whole story just seems a little odd to me and there is nothing wrong with being skeptical.
If the story is true as I have repeatedly posted I hope they catch the guy and throw the book at him and his spouse/gf.
Oh yes, and this will be my final bit of skepticism unless someone again attacks me with moronic rhetoric. I can certainly understand the gofundme page to help with a reward and medical bills etc. However, did no one else notice the length of time the mother claims her daughter will be off work? 6-24 months. Seriously! Look it up, a jaw being wired shut takes usually 4-6 weeks to heal and the bruises etc shorter than that so why does her daughter need to be off work for 6-24 months? Unless there is some other medical condition we have not be told it should at the very longest take 3 months and that is considered excessive.
From a medical website:
How long will it take to heal completely after a concussion?
Most people recover from a concussion in 7-10 days, but others may not completely recover for weeks or even months. Everyone heals at different rates. Recovery may take longer if you’ve had a concussion in the past. If several weeks have passed and you’re still not better, you might have post-concussion syndrome (“after” the concussion). Most post-concussion symptoms such as headaches, sensitivity to noise and light, dizziness, fatigue, and memory problems go away within about 7-10 days after the injury but sometimes post-concussion symptoms can last up to about 3 months. Rarely, symptoms last longer.
How long does it take to recover from a broken jaw?
If the jaw is wired together then normally about 4-6 weeks. If not then round about 8-10 weeks.
So again, I ask why is the mother claiming her daughter will need to be off work for 6-24 months.
Now, I am not a doctor so do not know the extenuating circumstances of Sandra’s case but from the information I gathered 6-24 months is beyond excessive. So if the 6-24 months isn’t true, what else being told is not true is all I am saying.
This is a statement of time off work expected after the type of surgery used to insert metal plates into the jaw and wire it shut.
“After you have left the hospital after orthognathic surgery, you are advised to arrange a month off work or school/college.”
That statement was taken from a website that handles this type of surgery.
This is the mother’s statement on the gofundme page for Sondra:
“We need help with some kind of reward to help find this creep, and funds as she can not work for at least 6-24 months.”
@Chad Hunt: You spend too much time trying to make yourself look reasonable, but you’re making it worse for yourself. No disrespect to people who engage in sex for a little bit of dough, but I can’t believe I’m spending a minute replying to some porn show wannabe. The girlfriend did try to stop the attack, and do you really think that a 4 year old boy would go on with such a detailed lie and for so long. Do you know how many people watch fights all the time and don’t do anything about it? Everyone thought this woman was a man because she was dressed like one. There’s tons of videos online of people fighting and people in the distance not stopping it. You don’t know how long she was attacked for an 20 minutes and way unreasonable. More like 5 minutes. Sorry, but it seems like you have some inner issues you need to work on. You don’t think the police or the families therapist would think something was a little off. You don’t have the lady’s medical records and you’re making too many assumptions. The mother has stated they want the money for a reward to find the attacker. You’re the one putting words in other people’s mouths. Seriously, you’re not doing anybody any good with your words. This family lives paycheck to paycheck. I can’t believe you’re trying so hard to believe that they would go out and try to run up such big medical bills.
@Jude556: Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about so why I am responding to you is beyond me but here ya go.
First , I’m not some porn wannabe, I was a top industry performer for many years and retired from the industry over 5 years ago. I am an education professional these days. I have not seen one statement made by the 4 year old anywhere. I think it takes longer than 5 minutes to be attacked with the severity claimed and then there is also the robbery. How do you know what the police think or that the family has a therapist? Have you called the police? I have seen nothing about any family therapist in any article. I stated that I didn’t have the family medical records so I don’t know exactly what her condition is only what was reported. I put no words in anyone’s mouth. I quoted the mother directly from the gofundme page. How do you know the family lives paycheck to paycheck? Where have I stated anywhere that they are trying to run up big medical bills? EVERY STATEMENT YOU MADE IS RIDICULOUS. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? I have backed up everything I have said with direct quotes from the mother, medical sites, and directly from what has been reported. You have made all types of assumptions with no proof.
And what about me saying over and over : THIS STORY COULD BE 100% TRUE , aren’t you getting. You and a few others on here keep attacking me for being skeptical yet over and over I keep saying the story could be true. You have a one track mind and can’t listen to anything but what you want to hear or what you think I am saying. All you keep doing is trying to make me look bad for being skeptical when I have conceded over and over and over and over and over and over that this story COULD BE TRUE.
If you and others goal here is to try to get me to admit I am wrong for being skeptical I suggest you stop because it is never going to happen until there is PROOF.
How many times can I say I HOPE I AM WRONG. Every time a false story is reported it only hurts the LGBT cause. However, assuming everything you hear is true with NO PROOF is also wrong. If we are to have any credibility then we must weed out the true stories from the false ones.
AGAIN, THIS STORY COULD BE ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUE. I’m waiting to see some proof before I believe it though.
So who besides me saw that earlier today the mother changed the goal from 10,000.00 to 5,000.00 Also the mother made a statement as to how quick Sondra is healing and they removed the wires preventing Sondra from talking. She also had made a statement were she said she tried to take 50.00 from the go fund me account but they sent her all of it minus 5% fee so she returned it all, however that statement has been removed and now she just has that she donated 365.00 which just isn’t true based on her earlier statement. Sorry, the longer this goes on the less and less I believe.
This mother is just stranger and stranger … Now she has sent this to the Ellen DeGeneres Show on Facebook.
Cindy ScarberThe Ellen DeGeneres Show
Monday at 9:41pm near Dallas, TX ·
this is my daughter and this is her story the whole story is on wfaa.com website and all over the internet her name is sondra scarber here is the link
Woman claims she suffered hate crime while defending bullied boy
“It’s hard for me to stay strong when I see myself in the mirror,” the 27-year-old said, through her clenched jaw that’s been wired shut. Her face is badly swollen and bruised. “I can’t do anything for myself.”
@Chad Hunt: Scarber, on the other hand, has several more doctors’ appointments over the next couple of months, a possible second surgery and 18 months to two years of physical therapy and recovery ahead of her.
You think they are taking the child to counseling for nothing.
“Causey described her son as angry since the attack and she’s taking him for counseling at a victim’s outreach program.”
I messaged the mother way before the fund was set up to try to help.
@Chad Hunt: http://www.dallasvoice.com/police-seek-suspect-brutal-hate-crime-10141444.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_129451147234228_126409_129943933851616#f6d56310
The police would know by know if they were faking it. You insist they could have been, but I’m pretty certain police and others in their area know more than you, Mr. “Top” performer.
@Jude556: Wow, after reading that article the story has yet changed again from any of the original articles etc. I also see the gofundme page has been removed. You seem to be spouting all kinds of information but no one has yet offered to show any proof from medical providers, therapists, etc that your 2 years of recovery are true. As I previously stated, all the information I have gathered said 3 months tops for recovery with 1 month off work recommended. Neither you nor any article are listing any other sources of information other than Sondra Scarber herself as to the validity of these claims. Whatever happened to responsible journalism.
I also see that a victim’s compensation fund is covering all the medical bills because she has no insurance. ( Not saying this “is” what happened but wouldn’t that be a great way to get your bills paid if something happened by accident and you just decided to claim you were attacked.)
I’d point out all of the inconsistencies with the article you list from all the other articles but see there is no point. You are certainly allowed to believe what you like as I certainly have the right to be skeptical while hoping for the best both for Sondra and the LGBT community as a whole.
The truth will out as they say and I just hope, not only for Sondra but for the LGBT community as a whole, that this is a true story.
Oh, and btw, I have contacted the Mesquite Police Department on a couple of occasions to see if there is any new information and to clear up inconsistencies within articles. The press/public information line is this 972-216-6241. on each occasion i have called they simply state there is no new information when I have asked specifics to variously reported information I also get a variety of answers including that the police didn’t talk to anyone at the park as the article you list said they did. A previous article also states that the witnesses had all left before the police got there.
“About 50 feet away from where she was attacked, a group of adults were playing basketball. None tried to intervene and when the police arrived, they said they didn’t see anything.”
I also find it strange that the article says this:
“Police arrived at the scene within minutes, and Scarber turned away the ambulance. Instead, Scarber saw a doctor later and underwent surgery on her mouth Feb. 28. Her bite is not expected to return to where it was before the attack.”
Why would you turn down an ambulance, see a doctor later and then wait 11 days for surgery? Odd, don’t you think?
Here is also new things reported that were never reported before in other articles:
“Causey said a woman who was with the suspect tried to stop him but he pushed her away. “, “The woman who was with the suspect convinced him not to attack Causey and to leave.”, “When the suspect and the woman ran to their car, Causey chased him and snatched the phone out of his hand. She got close enough to the car to see a large Ziplock bag of marijuana in the front seat. As they drove off, she called police.”
One article says the assailant dropped the phone, funny how she got close enough to the car to get a look in the front seat to see the marijuana, but phone in hand not snap a picture of license plate or even think to take it down. I also thought the guy had 4 kids with him. At least another article states that. Of course, another article says that the woman with him just watched and didn’t try to stop him.
Who knows what the truth is. There seems to be a lot of misinformation, changing of stories, addition of details, etc going on.
Regardless, I do wish Sondra a speedy recovery no matter what the truth may be. I just hope “her truth” turns out to be the “actual truth.”
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