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Log Cabin Defends Sarah Palin’s Gay “Choice” Remarks


This will surely get your blood boiling!

The Log Cabin Republicans – a gay group that endorsed John McCain and described running mate Sarah Palin as “inclusive” – today defended Palin, who last night said being gay is a choice.

Comparing Palin’s “non-judgement” to that of other Americans, communications director Scott Tucker released the following statement:

In this interview, Gov. Palin expressed her support for a gay friend of 30 years and reiterated that she doesn’t judge people. She said she’s ‘not going to judge Americans and the decisions they make in their adult personal relationships.’ Frankly, I think that’s where most Americans are in their attitude toward gay and lesbian people.

Gov. Palin didn’t ramble uncomfortably about a ‘lifestyle’ or use the opportunity to reiterate her opposition to marriage for gay couples. She didn’t use the opportunity to express opposition to any gay rights legislation. Gay Democrats are pouncing on her use of the word ‘choice’ in talking about gay people. But, when asked the direct question by Charlie Gibson in a previous interview whether people choose to be gay, she said she didn’t know. Again, I think that’s where the vast majority of Americans are on this issue-they simply don’t know whether people choose to be gay.

We know that people don’t ‘choose’ their sexual orientation and we’ll continue educating all Republicans about that issue.

Nice work citing a previous interview, Tucker. Palin’s remarks last night make clear she’s given the topic more thought – but not enough – and has chosen to rely on tried-and-true right-wing ideology.

We understand that some gay people identify more with the GOP, but don’t just bend over and take it for the sake of party inclusion. Stand up and defend yourself! You do know what the solution step to the gay “choice,” right? Correction.

By:           Andrew Belonksy
On:           Oct 1, 2008
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  • 62 Comments
    • Puddy Katz
      Puddy Katz

      All I can say is “Ground Control to Major Tom.”

      Oct 1, 2008 at 6:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • marc
      marc

      I’m going to have to edumacate myself on log cabin republicans.

      I don’t know how they can look themselves in the mirror.

      Can anyone tell me?

      Oct 1, 2008 at 6:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • NG
      NG

      That’s easy, Marc: The Log Cabin Republicans would be to politics as ex-gays are to religion.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 6:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert
      Robert

      Wow…. well I don’t know that I would want someone leading (or next in line to lead) our country that cannot be bothered to acknowledge the findings by every credited medical institution that homosexuality isn’t a choice but a biological reality.

      I mean really how can she actually state she doesn’t know if homosexuality is a choice or not… I assume she has someone on staff to ‘research’ these type of questions for her.

      If she doesn’t agree with homosexuality that’s one thing but to claim ignorance so she doesn’t have to take the hits is shameful (as are the actions of the Log Cabin Reps in defending her). I have always believed that the LCR’s have a right to vote/endorse how/whom they want, but honestly this is a bit much… even for a conservative person like me.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 7:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      Being gay is a choice. It always has been. And I’m gay!

      Oct 1, 2008 at 7:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chapeau
      Chapeau

      Being a Log Cabin Republican these days must feel like being an African-American person supporting and voting for Strom Thurmond when he ran for Preznit on the Dixiecrat ticket way back when Strom *Hated* the idea of the Civil Rights movement and fought against it tooth and nail — because they agree with his foreign policy positions.

      It is pure fantasy-land the loggers are living in!

      JeezusH.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • marc
      marc

      Mike is hilarious, as usual…not

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TG
      TG

      Sadly, being a log cabin republican IS a choice, though I have heard of some successful conversions.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael
      michael

      The only thing more fucked up than a straight Republican is a gay
      Republican. And Mike, I don’t think you know what the fuck you are, why don’t you try “confused” out for a while.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      I’m not confused at all. I’m gay by choice. Republican by choice. I don’t like coffee. That’s a choice. I like snow skiing but not water skiing. That’s a choice. I don’t fist or get fisted. I don’t march in gay parades, don’t hookup in bathrooms or bars, and I’m always monogamous. I’m no gay stereotype. Life is all about choices. We choose what we like on a daily basis. I don’t feel like an African American at all. I’m proud of who I am and don’t follow trends or what other people tell me to do. Some of you should try it sometime. Life is much more interesting when you’re not a clone.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      Maybe after the election’s over, we can release some of them into their “natural habitat” (airport restrooms, rest stops alongside the freeway, and pornography studios).

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      You’re all so bitter and far from inclusive. That’s what people find so hypocritical about Democrats. When you accept the fact that we are not born gay or straight, it’s just sexual choice, you’ll all feel a lot better about yourself.

      Sarah Palin has feminists angry at her because she chose to have a handicapped baby. It’s kind of crazy when they say that having or not having an abortion is a choice. She made a choice, but they’re unhappy with her choice. If she chose to abort she’d be a hero.

      Geraldine Ferraro never faced this much hatred when she was the VP nominee. I guess that’s because she’s a Democrat. Hmmmm…..???

      Oct 1, 2008 at 8:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Timothy
      Timothy

      Log Cabin isn’t excusing Palin or “bending over” for her. They are saying that those who are obsessing over the word “choice” are just flat wrong.

      I agree with them.

      The only reason that “choice” is the word that was emphasized here is because there’s nothing else you can find to which to object. Her answer was supportive, and since the goal is attacking Palin, you attack on the only item you can: an unfortunate word selection.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 9:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert
      Robert

      Wow… Mike I don’t like to make negative comments so I’m just going to say you have a really unique take on the world.

      I applaud your conviction even though I don’t believe there is any real substance to it.

      Palin has feminists against her because she believes that women shouldn’t have the choice to choose what they do with their bodies (including abortions in the case or women who are pregnant with babies conceived during sexual assualt).

      Like you I make choices daily (both good and bad) and I for a very long time dated women, ignoring the fact that I had attractions to men (from very early on), and was even engaged to an amazing woman… but we were never able to completely connect so I ended it. Thankfully I met and fell in love with a man and felt for the first time that I had truly made a real connection. While I enjoyed sex with women, and cared for them, I never was completely emotionally committed to them. It wasn’t until I realized that it was a man that I needed be with to make that connection.

      Anyway, just thought I’d toss that out there and hope that you can see that for some of us (I’d wager most of us) would say while we respect your ability to choose to be gay, for those of us that don’t have that luxury its insulting to be told otherwise.

      Hope you have a great day.

      r.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 9:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CitizenGeek
      CitizenGeek

      Log Cabin Republicans are pathetic, greedy white men. Simple as that. They prefer a few measly tax breaks to advancing the gay cause. Simple as that. I don’t like it when people take them seriously, like Queerty is doing with this article, because they don’t deserve it. At all.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 9:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CitizenGeek
      CitizenGeek

      “The only reason that “choice” is the word that was emphasized here is because there’s nothing else you can find to which to object. Her answer was supportive, and since the goal is attacking Palin, you attack on the only item you can: an unfortunate word selection.”

      Nonsense. Palin is virulently anti-gay. She uses the word “choice” very many times in that interview, so it wasn’t just a single instance of bad word choice. She opposes every single thing gay people want, and her church supports conversion therapy for gays. Eh, how much more evidence of Palin’s homophobia do you need? She may claim she doesn’t judge gay people, but that’s simply a lie. Palin has a history of telling bare-faced lies, too, so nothing she ever says should be trusted. Especially on social issues.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 9:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Anonymous
      Anonymous

      What else did we think she would say? It’s her core religious belief. She also believes that the world was created 6,000 years ago, that the sun once stood still above the earth, and that witchcraft is a big enough threat to have a witch-doctor personally protect her from it.

      For the record, Palin opposes all rights for gay couples, opposes marriage equality, opposes allowing gays to serve openly in the military, opposes gay-inclusive hate crimes legislation, opposes the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and opposes immigration rights for same-sex spouses of American citizens. We have also yet to find the one lesbian friend she claims she has.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 9:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • slade
      slade

      i am amazed at the log cab boys…i mean they endorsed GWB the first time aorund..to me it must have felt like waking up from a bad night of drinking and finding you had taken a total asshole home. now they endorse, McCain/Pailn and fail to see that these folks really do not want gays to be equal citizens in america. there must be some self lothing in these loggers, cause what else explains their total lack of self love…anyone who does not want me to serve in the military, adopt, or get married is NOT my friend. to embrace and defend such people is totally conraty to ones best interst. i am going to conatct gov palin’s preacher and se if we can pray away the self loathing. in fact lets all pray for these poor creatures.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 10:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChristopherM
      ChristopherM

      Mike, my guess is that you’re also one of those gays who describes himself as “straight-acting” as though that is a badge of honor. Of course, you’re not straight-acting…straight men don’t suck dick. And in the end, they’ll judge you for that just as much as they’d judge any of us.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 10:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John [Different person #1 using similar name]

      I’ve known many “straight” men who suck dick.

      The Log Cabin Republicans are a sad lot. We can only hope they wake up before they die.

      Is Clay Aiken a republican, you think?

      Oct 1, 2008 at 10:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • crazylove
      crazylove

      Uhm- mike is a sock puppet or troll who is bored. Just saying

      Oct 1, 2008 at 10:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      Robert, there is no gay gene anymore than there is a “I like coffee gene” or “I’m good at baseball gene.” We don’t know why people like the same sex or the opposite sex. It just is. Some people love to watch sunsets and others get nothing out of it. We don’t why that is. The more people try to figure out their sexuality and deny it, the more screwed up they get. Go with your desires.

      Christopher, there are gay men that act fem and there are also straight men that act fem. I think we’ve all known some of them. Tony Randall was straight and acted fem. Rock Hudson was gay and acted straight. Ellen Degeneres is masculine acting. Portia DeRossi is more feminine.

      At the top of this page is says, “free of an agenda, except that gay one”. Apparently, that’s a play on words since people say there is no gay agenda. Sadly, after reading most of these comments I realize many of you do follow a gay agenda. So much for individuality.

      I’m voting for McCain, but if Obama gets in I’m not going to flee the country in horror like the celebs threaten to do every 4 years. I will support him as the president whether I voted for him or not. I’m not going to cry for 4 years like most pathetic Democrats do when they don’t get their way.

      Did you ever notice how many celebs are supporting Obama and not McCain?
      Did you ever notice how often they make fun of Palin? (Pam Anderson, Ashley Judd, Sandra Bernhard, etc)
      How come a black man isn’t pretending to be Obama on Saturday Night Live?

      I think you all know the answer to these questions.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 10:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChristopherM
      ChristopherM

      Yes Mike, and there are also gay men that so loathe their gayness that they trumpet how “straight-acting” they are. Given some of your previous statements, I guessed you are perhaps one of these. Your idea of individuality seems to mean assimilation, based on your judgments of the myriad of sexual activities some people choose to participate in.

      And I notice how many people in general are supporting Obama and not McCain. I also notice that they make fun of Palin because frankly she’s about as deep as a puddle after a spring shower.

      Oct 1, 2008 at 10:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ben
      ben

      Are Republicans born stupid, or do they choose to be that way?

      Truth is, it doesn’t matter, they deserve to be allowed to marry each other just like everybody else.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 1:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sean S.
      Sean S.

      I’m personally of the persuasion that most sexuality and gender roles are, too a very large extent, based on social constructions that attempt to rationalize or justify a particular view of what is inarguably an innate anatomy. And that individual, and larger group decisions, contribute to that. And I do believe that applies to homosexuality as well.

      That said, that doesn’t mean even if I believe that one can construct and build their own gender/sexual identity as they so choose, that I believe Sarah Palin was being that subtle or sophisticated in that statement. Let’s be clear here; she is not staking out some claim for a radical redefinition of gender or sexuality, or standing up for one’s ability to fashion those things with the “choices” one makes, but indicating, like other sinful activities (premarital sex, drinking, gambling, etc) that it is the choice of a person to engage in such sinful behavior.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 3:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tommy
      tommy

      people are either right or left, those undecided care not to share how they really feel. Call it a choice if you choose, or call it a duck. The name is not the point. This women is not ready to take over when Mcsame dies, and in this office I give him a year before he is gone and a hockey mom is your new president. then listen to these same people complain.
      I choose to be a duck! Mark Chooses to be a straight guy who loves men. Go Mark go!

      Oct 2, 2008 at 4:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaxson67
      Jaxson67

      doomed i tells ya. DOOMED! the roman empire, the egyptians, phoenicians, greeks, british all doomed if you vote rebublican your just gonna get an older monkey in power that is just a slip in the shower from allowing this woman to be in charge. come on america CHINA is waiting for your vote.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 5:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alco
      Alco

      Well, Mike when you say it’s a choice I disagree strongly. Like you liking or not coffee, that’s not a choice either. You should look up the definition in a dictionnary.

      Choosing NOT to drink coffee because you don’t like it, IS indeed a choice, as choosing to drink it even though you don’t like it is.
      Choosing to accept yourself as you are is indeed a choice, having secret gay sex in public restroom is a choice as well, but the fact is, you’re gay.

      I never had sex with a girl, never felt like it, never felt bad because I was attracted to guys. I didn’t make a choice being gay, I made a choice not hiding it and denying it, THAT is a choice.

      Saying being gay is a choice is just plain stupid and people should learn the meaning of the words they use before bitching about it when someone calls them up on it.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 6:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jack
      Jack

      Wow, Mike…you’ve really got things figured out! Scientists and psychologists all over the world pouring $$$ into the search for the possibility of a genetic influence on human sexuality, and you already know for sure that there isn’t one!

      Think of all the time any money they could have saved if they’d just asked you – the all-knowing, all-seeing Oracle-Guru of sexuality!

      Oct 2, 2008 at 7:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • angus
      angus

      Log Cabin Republicans are just like the Kapos, jews who helped nazis kill jews. Heaven knows what they are thinking.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 7:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • angus
      angus

      I went on to the Log Cabin website. There is no email address where they can be contacted. Does anyone know their email address?

      Oct 2, 2008 at 8:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • angus
      angus

      I went on to the Log Cabin website. There is no email address where they can be contacted. Does anyone know their email address?

      Oct 2, 2008 at 8:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Homo Politico
      Homo Politico

      The LRC’s happily take their seats in the back of the slow bus that trails behind the rest of American society. If you choose to be political leaders, my gay Republican friends, it would benefit us all if you would be more active in your advocacy.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 8:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott
      scott

      I don’t get LCRs.

      Plus, look at all the lemmings who followed Bush Junior. And yet, most of them FINALLY have come around to their senses (and looking past religious reasons to vote, or hatred of gays, or abortion, etc) and are hating on Bush now.

      Save all of us some grief and just vote Democratic.

      Republicans are AGAINST gays. Why support someone who hates us?

      Oct 2, 2008 at 8:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jim
      Jim

      Mike, everyone skipped over your comment about not feeling like an African American. I’m not sure what you mean by that, as I am not sure that one’s haplogroup as anything to do with one’s “feeling” a certain way. From the comments you’ve made here I take it that you feel disconnected from many aspects of your biology and ascribe your entire existence to your “choice” to “be”.

      Good luck with all of that.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 8:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • polobear
      polobear

      Have fun tonight
      http://palinbingo.com

      Oct 2, 2008 at 9:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ggreen
      ggreen

      Being gay is not a choice but being a Republican is. A stupid choice but still a choice. Ask heterosexuals when they first decided they were going to be heterosexual.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 9:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Anthony in Nashville
      Anthony in Nashville

      I agree with Alco.

      Nobody knows what determines sexual orientation, although millions of dollars have been spent trying to answer that question. I think the whole nature vs nuture debate takes away from the real issue, which is treating people fairly.

      The only thing you can “choose” is whether to be true to yourself or stay in the closet and live a lie.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 9:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ajax
      ajax

      If Ms. Palin truly doesn’t know whether being gay is a choice, why does she contintue to choose to use the word “choice” in connection with sexuality. Is it that she’s being disingenuous or that her vocabulary is so poor that she doesn’t know any other word? Probably both.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 10:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Miamian
      Miamian

      The only choice I remember making was to stop lying to myself and admit that I liked men.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 11:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Marc
      Marc

      Hey Mike, do we get a different NBC SNL in Canada? Nope.

      I have seen a Barack Obama character on SNL, you must have missed it.

      There is so much material for Tina Fey to do Sarah Palin becuase Sarah Palin is such a complete and total moron.

      Tina does it so well, never laughed so hard in my life!

      Oct 2, 2008 at 11:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • paul
      paul

      I’m gay, my brother is straight. A preacher told us that being gay was a choice. My brother asked the preacher when he chose to be gay. A very annoyed preacher replied that he was not gay. My brother asked him when did he choose not to be gay and be straight instead. The preacher said he was born straight, and my brother asked at what point in his life did he choose not to be gay.

      When someone tells you being gay is a choice try my brother’s reasoning.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 12:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaroslaw
      Jaroslaw

      Paul – I’d have to hear the whole conversation because when I tried that the answer usually rolled around to “I didn’t have to choose to be straight”, it’s NORMAL – reproduction and all then all the other reasons.

      M A R K – I hope the mean ‘ol queers on this website didn’t scare you away! (Just kidding) but seriously – why “choose” to be Gay? Can you personally make the choice to be straight? If so, why didn’t you? It is a real difficult being Gay sometimes…. for me anyway.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • seitan-on-a-stick
      seitan-on-a-stick

      The Log-eating Cabal of (same-gender loathing) Republicans would defend Hitler at the Nuremburg Trials. They are drawn to the exclusive clubbiness of other conforming Republicans (and surprisingly not that white Citizen Geek) while Democrats are more the varied Diaspora of America, including the Gay population. Choice: Do I want Choice or someone to Control me?

      Mike was lowered into the Hallmark Greeting card machine and came out scrambled. We have to recognize that there is a lot of mental illness in our population (especially after 8 years of ‘W’) who will actually become as homophobic as straights.

      It’s also interesting that the often maligned “Celebrities” who would most gain from the Bush/McCain/Palin Tax Cut for the filthy, tawdry rich, have demonstrated an uncharacteristic maturity when it comes to their support for “Barack Obama” echoing the real fears of Americans. “Aye, I can see Russia from me Porch. Now let’s shoot-em!”

      Buy your tickets to “W” the movie in advance at Fandango.com (it will be sold out everywhere!)

      ‘W’ Trailer (Film out October 17)
      http://www.Wthefilm.com

      Oct 2, 2008 at 1:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Wolfie
      Wolfie

      This really goes to show you that The Log Cabin Republicans are totally full of shit. They should be shunned by every gay man in American.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 4:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      If scientists want to spend money looking for a gay gene, let them. It’s a waste of money as far as I’m concerned.

      Paul, we’re born with a clean slate, neither gay nor straight. Our sexuality is formed.

      Jim, my comment about African Americans was in response to Chapeau’s comment: “Being a Log Cabin Republican these days must feel like being an African-American person supporting and voting for Strom Thurmond…”

      Guys, when I tell people I’m gay most laugh because they think I’m joking. When I started a new job a few years ago, my co-workers asked about a wife or g/f, and when I told them I was gay they didn’t believe it. I had my partner come into work to meet them. They thought it was a joke and that I had put a friend up to it. And the girls thought he was way too hot to be gay. (whatever that means?) After finally knowing me a while they realized I wasn’t kidding.

      We don’t subscribe to the gay lifestyle so many of you deny you are living. We don’t live in a gay city. Our neighborhood is filled with heterosexuals who come over with their kids to use the pool and we have cookouts. We don’t march in gay parades or have rainbow flags anywhere. We don’t have an open relationship, like 9 out of 10 gay men usually get into.

      Prior to getting together, neither one of us had one night stands or friends with benefits, only ltr’s, so we were both on the same page as far as monogamy goes. Sadly, we’ve seen friends get STD’s and AIDS. We live our lives with class and dignity, and we get respect because we don’t shove the “we are gay, live with it!” attitude down everyone’s throat.

      We just live our lives. If you want to hate people for being Republican then you are ignorant. I also eat burgers and steaks, so PETA hates me, too. I have friends who are Libertarians, Democrats, and Independants. I love them all just the same. At the end of the day we’re all human.

      Enough said.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 6:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • marc
      marc

      Ooooooooooooh my god Mike you are……..FUCKING PERFECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      You have issues too, some serious ones.
      Now cram it!

      Oct 2, 2008 at 8:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CHURCHILL-Y
      CHURCHILL-Y

      She was brilliant!

      Go now,
      Dont look back we’ve drawn the line,
      Move on,
      Its no good to go back in time,
      I’ll never find another girl like you,
      For happy endings it takes two,
      With fire and ice,
      A dream won’t come true

      (Chorus)

      Sarah, Sarah,
      Storms are brewing in your eyes,
      Sarah,Sarah,
      No time is a good time for goodbye

      Danger,
      In the game when the stakes are high,
      Brandid,
      A heart was brandid while my senses stood by,
      I’ll never find another girl like you,
      For happy endings it takes two,
      With fire and ice,
      A dream won’t come true

      (Chorus)

      Sarah,Sarah,
      Storms are brewing in you eyes,
      Sarah,Sarah,
      No time is a good time for goodbye

      Love me like no one has ever loved me before,
      Hurt me.. no one could ever hurt me more,
      Sarah,
      Nobody loved me more,

      I’ll never find another girl like you,
      With fire and ice,
      A dream won’t come true

      (Chorus)

      Sarah,Sarah,
      No time is a good time,
      Oh Sarah,Sarah,
      Storms are brewing in your eyes,
      Sarah,Sarah,
      No time is a good time for goodbye

      Sarah,Sarah,
      Storms…are brewing in you eyes,
      Sarah,Sarah,
      No time is a good time

      OOOOO Sarah

      McCain ★ Palin ’08

      Oct 2, 2008 at 11:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChristopherM
      ChristopherM

      So Churchlady’s taste in music is as bad as his taste in politicians. Quelle surprise.

      Oct 2, 2008 at 11:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mark
      mark

      Log Cabinettes = Vichy Fags

      Oct 3, 2008 at 3:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      Chittyshitty-Y

      That Caribou Venni Vetti Bitch is just as dumb as Sweet Polly Purebread.

      Thanks Katie!

      Actually she’s just dumb as you…….HAHAHA

      McInsane ★ Stalin ’08
      The choice If you want America to Keep Dying!

      Oct 3, 2008 at 5:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greybat
      greybat

      No.42- I like your brother, Paul!

      Oct 3, 2008 at 6:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Richard
      Richard

      Hey Mike, I’m 62 and I puke to think that my younger days were fighting for the likes of you. You sound like a real creep and everything that anyone has ever rebelled against. Take a hike.

      Oct 3, 2008 at 2:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris
      Chris

      Mike, even though I disagree with much of what you say, I applaud you for defending yourself very well. Bravo.

      Live your life. Enjoy.

      Oct 3, 2008 at 3:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MIKE
      MIKE

      Marc, I’m not perfect, but my life is going along nicely at this point. I’ve had rough times in the past and I’m sure I’ll have some in the future. What are you like 18?

      Richard, why am I a creep? I’m monogamous, a Republican, and not a gay stereotype. Am I a creep because I don’t go hooking up in bathrooms and bathhouses? People actually respect me, and when they complain about George Michael’s latest arrest in a bathroom, I tell them we’re not all like that. If you think something’s wrong with that, then you have probs.

      Chris, I appreciate what you said even though you don’t agree, although I’m at a loss for words as to why I’m facing such hostility from people on here. Yes, I am enjoying my life but it appears people are jealous of that.

      Oct 3, 2008 at 3:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      People probably think you’re a creep, Mike, because by trotting out every run-of-the-mill anti-gay stereotype to prove how unlike that you are, it almost comes across as though you feel the average gay person is one of those promiscuous, not-worthy-of-respect caricatures. It could just be a matter of misperception but that is how your comments came across to me. Also, it seems as though you are a bit pleased with yourself for being perceived as “not possibly gay”, which is understandably irksome.

      Oct 3, 2008 at 11:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MIKE
      MIKE [Different person #1 using similar name]

      Fredo, I am proud that I’m not a stereotype, and it’s a known fact that more gay men are promiscuous than straight men. We can’t deny in the US how many of our community have HIV or have died of AIDS. And recent studies have shown alarming rates of syphillis in the gay community, and new cases among young gay men in NYC. My partner works in the medical field and sees all of this first hand. Do you know any straight men or women in the US who have HIV? I don’t.

      Gays have every right to be promiscuous, but I can tell you they do not get respect. That is a fact and apologists like yourself can deny it all you want. They are made fun of, and it’s hypocritical because most straight men who are promiscuous get a standing ovation for being playboys.

      I am very open and upfront about my sexuality, and when I tell people I am gay they do laugh and they do think I’m joking. It’s just the way it is. If people find me creepy or irksome, so be it. I’m not hiding in a closet.

      Oct 4, 2008 at 10:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Do I know any hetero men or women with HIV personally? Yes, actually. I don’t, however, personally have any gay/bi friends or family with HIV. Not to my knowledge, that is.

      Anyway, I’m not an “apologist” for anyone or anything. I do take offense when people make sweeping derogatory generalizations about gays, though, even when (especially, maybe) the offenders are other gays.

      Some of the things you said were a little shaky but I’m not really interested in a drawn-out debate. If you’re not a stereotype, great. My point wasn’t that one should be ashamed of not being a stereotype, just that the way you expressed yourself could have rubbed some of us the wrong way. It is what it is. You wondered why you were seen as creepy + I answered with my own perception of your comments.

      All in all, though, it’s not my place to tell you how to “be gay” + I don’t have any desire to do so. Do your thing; I’ll certainly do mine (w/o any “apologies”).

      Oct 4, 2008 at 11:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mike
      mike

      As far as the Democrats and Republicans go, if you believe their view of gays are that different, you’re living in a cave.

      “Despite San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom’s threat that we all have to accept gay marriage whether we “like it or not,” most Californians disagree. And, importantly, vice presidential candidates Joe Biden and Sarah Palin declared last night during the debate that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

      [PBS Reporter Gwen] IFILL: Let’s try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

      [Senator Joe] BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it…

      [Governor Sarah] PALIN: Your question to [Biden] was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

      IFILL: Wonderful. You agree…
      Transcript of Vice Presidential debate, October 2, 2008
      (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/)

      Senator Biden adds his name to a long list of leading national Democrats who oppose gay marriage:

      • As Senator Biden indicated during the debate, Senator Barack Obama opposes same sex marriage and says that marriage should be between a man and woman. (Los Angeles Times, September 26, 2008)

      “I personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman…”
      Barack Obama Senate Press Release, June 7, 2006

      • Former President Bill Clinton has long opposed same-sex marriage. He signed the Federal Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, which made the definition of marriage in federal law as between one man and one woman. (CNN “Inside Politics”, May 23, 1996; The Hotline, May 14, 1996; Newsday May 14, 1996; Public Law 104-199)

      • Senator Hillary Clinton does not support same-sex marriage (ABC News, October 27, 2006).

      • Former Vice President Al Gore opposed same-sex marriage during his 2000 campaign for President.

      The vice president “supports domestic partnerships, (but) we don’t think they should be put in the same category as traditional marriages,” said Gore spokesman Chris Lehane.
      San Francisco Chronicle, December 20, 1999″

      Oct 4, 2008 at 8:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      We could dance around the issue of LGBT support among Dems + Reps, speaking in general terms about their non-support of “gay marriage” but the bottom-line is this: McCain/Palin are against (or just mildy “tolerant” of) key LGBT rights that Obama/Biden are clearly for. McCain is obviously opposed to + intolerant of the idea of legally recognizing same-sex relationships, rights to adopt, etc. Even if you wanted to argue that Obama wouldn’t actively do anything for LGBTs once in office, I’d wager my left nut that he wouldn’t stand in the way of our rights (which you know full well that McCain/Palin would do).

      Given that, I can’t fathom how anyone could justify casting a vote for McCain as an aware LGBT individual (actually, I have my suspicions but don’t want to make generalizations about Repubs being focused on their bottom line). Obama’s record isn’t squeaky-clean, either, but he’d clearly be a damn sight better as president than helping Johnny Mac + Sarah “Golly Gee” Palin slink into office. Talk about the lesser of two evils, especially (but not exclusively) where LGBT citizens are concerned. If McCain/Palin somehow do manage to end up in the top spots, though, heaven help us all.

      Oct 4, 2008 at 8:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      Mike,

      You said: “Most Californians disagree [with same-sex marriage].”

      Considering the fact that three different polls (Field, Gallup, and Suvey USA) have Proposition 8 going down in defeat by a margin of 51-55% to 41-44%, one has to wonder what possible reason you might have to distort the facts in such a way? To drum up support for writing discirmination into the constitution? To prove the talking point that Republicans’ bigotry and intolerance reflect “the will of the people”?

      I see. So, your being “right” is more important than other peoples’ rights. I don’t think you’re self-loathing. I think you’re a greedy little jerk. Come to think of it, given your values, it sounds like you’ve joined the perfect political party.

      Oct 4, 2008 at 10:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greybat
      greybat

      I wonder why no-one asks why the straights don’t simply mind their own business? Our relationships have no effect and nothing to do with their own.

      Oct 5, 2008 at 1:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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