The Log Cabin Republicans are in the middle of fighting with the Justice Department over the legality of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. So how come nobody’s interested?
GetEQUAL isn’t in Riverside rallying. Equality California hasn’t set up a podium anywhere. And barely any media are covering the trial. What gives?
Servicemembers United creator Alexander Nicholson, a gay discharged vet, takes the stand today to a tiny audience — a stark contrast to what we saw in San Francisco at the Prop 8 trial.
“I drove up from West Hollywood for Tuesday’s opening arguments and was startled at how few non-attorneys showed up,” writes Karen Ocamb of Frontiers. “After all, this is essentially the military equivalent of the federal Prop 8 trial – evidence in a court of law about how gays are officially treated as second class citizens by the federal government. But for all the high decibel attention over repealing DADT and the Pentagon’s homophobic survey – no one showed up with picket signs to demonstrate outside or packed the courtroom to support the plaintiffs in this serious David versus Goliath legal battle. What does this thundering absence tell the government about how much LGBTs really care about this horrendous law?”
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Perhaps it’s because, like the Prop 8 trial, Gay Inc. refused to support the lawsuit — and tried sabotaging it in the press — before eventually getting on board and cheerleading? Or because LCR hasn’t done the media outreach and publicity campaign rolled out by American Foundation for Equal Rights, which bankrolled the Olson-Boies plaintiff team. But even LCR doesn’t have any men on the street. For an organization claiming to represent America’s queer conservatives, LCR hasn’t showed any evidence of grassroots support in the form of actual people at the court house. The most access you’ll get, then, is the transcripts from the trial.
Instead, it’s a ghost town. Continues Ocamb: “The U.S. District Court in San Francisco made special arrangements for the expected over-flow crowd during the federal challenge to Prop 8 earlier this year. So the U.S. District Court in Riverside, expecting similar huge crowds, made similar arrangements. But the overflow room sat air conditioned-cold and empty, save for Log Cabin Republicans communications manager Charles Moran [pictured], who was fielding media calls and emails. Yes, the American Foundation for Equal Rights had a built-in media generator with attorney Ted Olson. But LCR’s lead attorney Dan White of White & Case is also a straight Republican who has taken the case pro bono because – like Olson – he considers LGBT equality to be one of the most profound civil rights issues of our time.”
Indeed, Lt. Dan Choi and Cpt. Jim Pietrangelo’s five-second court appearance for their White House stunt has received more ink, even among gay media, than LCR’s lawsuit. Rather, more attention is being paid, by blogs like this one and mainstream reporters, to the DADT survey that’s gone out to soldiers than to the lawsuit that could declare DADT unconstitutional. Which is exactly what the federal government wants: After repeated efforts to keep the lawsuit from even happening, DoJ’s opening statement lasted five minutes, and they plan to submit zero evidence.
CJ
I don’t really care if it is getting much press or not. What matters is how it is resolved inside the courtroom.
One reason it’s not getting much attention is because so many other things are going on right down with DADT, economy, gulf oil, etc. Keep in mind, not every LGBT issue receives a lot of MSM attention. Look at how few media outlets are covering the obvious discrimination within the DADT survey. If it were asking questions about blacks, it’d be on every news stations, every day, every hour. As well, most LGBT organizations will likely stay away from LCR because of the “R” in their name EVEN IF they support LGBT equality. Just the way it is.
Mike L.
I would’ve gone if I lived witin driving distance there.
Just don’t want to be ‘recruited’ into the republican party by gay republicans lol.
I sincerely wish them all the luck in the world,b/c our LGB brothers and sisters need action, we can’t just wait to see what the Pres and the Senate do b/c their votes and the President’s signature are not written in stone yet, and even after that we’d still have to wait for the results of the stupid survey and if the military leaders and the pres feel it’s about right. So this is better way to get to what we know is right.
Tim W
Sad part probably it’s because this is a Republican gay group. I have only voted Republican once in my whole life and I really question how someone can be a gay Republican. But they are doing the right thing and I don’t care who gets the credit as long as DADT is repealed we should be supporting any group trying to get rid of it.
Steve
The antics of the government attorneys are pretty disgusting. They are constantly objecting to even the smallest things and try to pass off even first-hand accounts as hearsay.
Republican
Best of luck to them! Time for DADT to go!
Cam
i’m absolutly concerned about it! But it’s in the court system and there is nothing I can do about it except keep my fingers crossed and hope that they court doesn’t fall back on bigotry and hatred when they come to their final decision.
Fitz
I feel disengaged. Gay republicans are not people I want to associate with. I think DADT is on the way out anyway. It’s not my #1 priority. AND, I have a bad case of learned helplessness (aka: bitter old queen).
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
I’ll NEVER vote Republican, but if it takes Republicans to help end the ban, so be it; just like I’ll applaud if ARCH Repug Ted Olson helps in overturning Prop H8TE. They started this suit in 2004 when Bush was Prez so I hardly think it’s a “Repug thing.”
To say you want nothing to do with them is like a straight soldier saying he doesn’t want gays in the military even if one might save his life.
It’s a dim DEMOCRATIS POTUS fighting them, refusing to use his legal powers to stop discharges in the name of national security, discharging gays even as you read this, gutted the new amendment of any GUARANTEE discharges will EVER end even after “repeal,” and REFUSED LCR’s offer to postpone their lawsuit if the government would freeze discharges pending the “repeal” that they keep insisting is inevitable.
Well, anyone who thinks this lawsuit is unnecessary because we’re going to find an end to the ban gift-wrapped under our Christmas trees in a post-Pentagon-“study” December should remember what Chico Marx said: “There ain’t no sanity clause!”
christopher di spirito
Maybe because there’s a recession raging and unemployment is 9.5% so many gays and lesbians and our supporters are looking for work and don’t have time to rally outside the U.S. District Courts in San Francisco and Riverside?
I have three friends who have all lost their jobs this year in the wonderful world of corporate America and none of them have found new jobs.
From my perch, other than some temporary Census jobs, Obama’s record on jobs creation deserves a grade of D-.
Zach
I wouldn’t really rally to this because nothing’s going to come of it.
That being said, the LCR really isn’t as bad as it used to be, though it still routinely endorses candidates who actively oppose gay rights, and it ultimately is part of a party that wants to criminalize homosexuality. Most of the really despicable Uncle Toms have migrated to GoProud to advocate for lower taxes and greater defense spending at the expense of pushing for rights.
joedee1969
Our BEAR is angry!
http://americaspeaksink.com/2010/07/unemployment-update-the-unemployment-lies-press-malpractice/
Sapphocrat
Probably because DADT — while heinous — simply does not impact as many LGBTs as DOMA, adoption laws, and, to a far greater extent, the most basic housing and employment protections (which we’re still denied in most states).
I know that doesn’t make a bit of difference to G/L military for whom DADT is the most pressing issue (and I can certainly understand how it can have an immediate, devastating effect on their lives), but the truth is: DADT impacts only military personnel and their partners, period. Once G/L soldiers are out of the service, they’ll come home to find they’re still second-class citizens, just like the rest of us.
The saddest thing is that, even after DADT is overturned, our active-duty G/L brothers and sisters will still be fighting for freedoms they themselves are not privileged to enjoy in civilian life.
I hope I don’t sound cold or uncaring. I do care. I want to see DADT turned into just another shameful memory.
But that’s why, I believe, the DADT trial isn’t getting a lot of attention, even in the LGBT press: There are far more fundamental rights and needs, affecting _all_ of us, which are not being met, or are on shaky ground at best.
B
“What does this thundering absence tell the government about how much LGBTs really care about this horrendous law?” … the lack of interest in the lawsuit is probably due to the very real possibility that DADT will be repealed before the case gets through the court system (appeals included), at which point the lawsuit will be declared “mute”.
Dennis
For once, the LCR’s are actually doing the right thing…If they wind up actually doing something to promote LGBT rights (rather than put tax cuts at the top of their ‘wish list’ and sell our rights down the river) I’ll gladly offer my thanks and appreciation.
Overall though, I consider it ‘karma cleansing’ on their end. How many Rethuglican candidates have they supported over the years who were DADT supporters? Or who did absolutely nothing to assist in it’s repeal? Several, I’d bet…the LCR’s have A LOT of good works to do in order to overcome all the anti-LGBT candidates they’ve supported and given money to in the past.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
@B:
“the very real possibility that DADT will be repealed before the case gets through the court system (appeals included)”?
On WHAT planet?
Here’s what’s “real”:
1. The “repeal” bill has yet to pass Congress. A vote on DEFAUTH in the Senate, to which it is attached, hasn’t even been scheduled yet.
2. Even IF it pass in this session, “repeal” still only happens 60 days AFTER Obama and Gates and Mullen “certify” that “repeal” would like hurt any of five different “standards” such as “unit cohesion” ASSUMING that they will.
3. Even IF they do, because Gates got Obama to agree to force our allies in Congress to trash the Military Readiness Enhancement Act that they’ve been trying to pass for five years, which he promised to start personally fighting for when he took office, “repeal” no longer EQUALS an end to discharges. The Pentagon didn’t need “DADT” to discharge over 100,000 gays over a SIXTY year period. NOTHING but another act of Congress or an order from President [which could, of course, be reversed by the next President] will prevent them from continuing discharges under their own policies.
Steve
It’s a stunt, designed to loose. They have no intention of winning the case. The briefs are weak. The facts are weak. The law is almost surely going to change before the case completes, but not before the election. IMO, the entire purpose of that case is to convince some gays to vote for the Republicans this year, by claiming that the R’s are working for the gays. It’s basically a lie designed to embarrass the Democrats, for political gain by the Republicans.
The fact that the Republicans lie to the gays should not be a surprise. But, of course, the Democrats lie to the the gays, also. The only real difference is that the Democrats are now put into a position of having to defend the discrimination, yet again.
When Obama starts speaking full-throated in favor of equal rights for gay people, the Republicans gain votes. But, if he doesn’t, the Democrats loose votes. Pure political calculus.
Daniel
…maybe because the LCRs belong to a party where a majority of the people want to criminalize homosexuality and make our lives hell. If the LCRs all of a sudden have a change of conscience, good for them, join the club. But don’t expect anyone’s respect until you learn to respect yourself, and no, claiming to be a “libertarian” doesn’t cut it. Being in a party that actively works against you in such an astounding way is stupid, period.
Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
@Steve:
“the entire purpose of that case is to convince some gays to vote for the Republicans this year”????
Too bad your childish kneejerk reaction is blown up by the fact.
The suit was first filed in 2004 when, yes, that’s right, REPUBLICAN Bush was Prez.
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The briefs are weak. The facts are weak.”????
Yeah, that’s why the judge has consistently let the case continue and why the odious Obama DOJ has tried every way they can for the last year and a half to kill it INCLUDING trying to get “John Doe” disqualified insisting that he can’t CLAIM that DADT affects him because he’s still IN the military!
“Democrats are now put into a position of having to defend the discrimination, yet again.”???
NO, despite your obviously having deepthroated that Obama Inc. BIG LIE and washed it down with Kool Aid, they do NOT have to defend the law.
I’d quote the case law/legal precedents that prove that but, as Barney Frank said the the Teabagger, trying to reason with you is like trying to talk with a dining room table.
Mykelb
@Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: Sort of like talking to a gay republican?
Jeff
The reason why nobody is showing up at GetEQUAL rally’s, is that in my opinion the Log Cabin Republicans are nothing more than “gay traders.” If you really want to join a real cause, join the Progressive or an Independent party; that is where true equality is.
shanelle
Before we can getEqual we need to getReal.
No issue saying DADT has got to get gone.
Our sisters n’ brothers fighting should be allowed to serve regardless of they sexual orientation. We need the best women n’ men we got in wartimes like now
But for millions more of us GLBs, ENDA matters most. Can’t say if it’s a either/or situation for the Congress but no one should lose a job based on who they have “extracurricular activities” with.
If I’m an incompetant, then you got reason. Otherwise let me make my paycheck without your snide commentaries about who I bed or sly menaces about my job status.
Cam
The problem with the people saying that DADT isn’t as important as ENDA is this.
ENDA is granting us protections. DADT is a federally codified law that actually takes away our rights. State’s that want to hurt gays can use federal laws like DADT and DOMA as proof in court that the Federal govt. thinks it’s ok to discriminate against gays.
ENDA is important but we also have protections in many states. Even if DADT doesn’t impact you diectly, it’s the fact that by forcing it to end it’s official discrimination it takes away a fall back position for bigoted judges to use to allow other forms of discrimination against us.
B
No. 15 · Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com wrote, “@B: ‘the very real possibility that DADT will be repealed before the case gets through the court system (appeals included)’? On WHAT planet?”
… on Earth, of course: if you think the Senate is slow, wait until you try the courts. Remember, I said, “appeals included” and the courts have a long backlog.
Flex
LCRs’ are republicans. They’re horrible, and support a racist, sexist, homophobic party whose only interests are absolute power and control.
Down with DADT is excellent news; however, it will be repealed by the federal court system, and the LCRs’ are trying to capitalize on it.