An interview between Chris Christie and Piers Morgan will air on national television tonight at 8pm on CNN. The part that concerns his recent veto of gay marriage in New Jersey is already online.
“I know this is a very emotional issue and a very divisive issue in my state,” Christie tells CNN’s Piers Morgan. “The only way we have to amend our constitution in New Jersey—which is by referendum—let’s put it on the ballot and let’s let the people decide.”
Christie claims his belief that marriage is between one man and one woman comes from his Catholic faith and that he won’t ever “compromise my principles for politics.”
He said, “I would not compromise my principles for politics. You’re saying, will it become politically unpopular to have the position I’m having? If it does, so be it. I don’t compromise my principles for politics.”
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Later in the interview, Morgan asks Christie if he takes flack from his gay friends about his position.
“Some, yeah,” says Christie. “We have a robust conversation about why I have the position I have and why they have the position they have.”
He goes on to say these gay friends don’t accuse him of being bigoted. Who are these gay friends of his and what is wrong with them?
Rusty Redfield
Let’s meet them, Mr. Christie — because I think they’re a figment of your publicist’s imagination. Either that or they stopped being your friends the minute you vetoed their marriage plans.
Isaac C
@Rusty Redfield: Or maybe they’re big boys and know it’s not the end of their world if they don’t receive the right to a simple word, since they already have basically the same rights at the state level through Civil Unions. Besides, remind us, is DOMA still being upheld? Thought so.
William
I just can’t with this guy anymore
rf
Good, this will make him look like a Romney flip flopper if he changes his stance in 2016 when it becomes politically unpalpable to be against SSM in a general national election. And if he doesn’t change his mind, he will be in the history books next to George Wallace.
dsp
What a piece of work! All for his own personal political agenda.
Cam
@Isaac C: said…
“Or maybe they’re big boys and know it’s not the end of their world if they don’t receive the right to a simple word, since they already have basically the same rights at the state level through Civil Unions.”
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What I don’t get is why you lie? Civil Unions do not give the same rights, everybody knows that. “The right to a simple word?” Is that what you said? And I suppose then that Susan B. Anthony was just fighting for the right to a simple little ballot, or Rosa Parks was fighting for the right to a simple little seat, or Mr. and Mrs. Loving were fighting for the right to a simple little word? After all, their marriage was legal in DC, why didn’t they just go back there?
Living in DC is similar to living in VA. Sitting in the back of the bus is similar to the front, should they have not fought for their rights?
Cam
“”Christie claims his belief that marriage is between one man and one woman comes from his Catholic faith and that he won’t ever “compromise my principles for politics.”””
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This is a lie. The Bible states FLAT OUT, from Jesus’s own mouth…that if a man divorces his wife and marries another he is committing adultery against the first wife…which is a violation of the 10 commandments. IS Christie pushing for divorce to be outlawed? Oh, didn’t think so.
It says in multiple areas in Corinthians and Timothy in the Bible that women should not be allowed to express their opinions outside their own marriage, not publically and that they should only tell their husbands and he will tell them if it was right or wrong…Is Christie fighting to take the vote away from women? He isn’t ? Well my my my, how strange.
1. He stated flat out that he is using religion to guide him in a secular job.
2. He is a liar because he ISN’T even following major portions of the religion he claims to follow. Just the part that supports his bigotry.
Adrian
so he wants the majority to vote on the legal rights of the minority. got it.
it’s just a matter of time when his view point regarding same sex marriage will be in the minority.
MTiffany
And when I was child my imaginary friends never disagreed with me either, Governor Shitstain.
I
Let me guess Issac C, you’re one of those gay republicans?
Isaac C
@Cam: The whole point is that marriage rights don’t really matter until DOMA is repealed. Why not expand the rights of Civil Unions and bring them to par with marriages, like in the U.K., until DOMA is repealed, if it’s about the rights? Most states have SSM banned in their constitution. It doesn’t make sense to focus on the word.
Charlie
@Isaac C: So when you say “basically the same rights” you actually mean some of but not nearly all” right? Playing a little fast and loose with the facts aren’t we?
MTiffany
@Charlie: “Playing a little fast and loose with the facts aren’t we?”
Facts? We don’t need no stinking facts! We’re Republican apologists, bitch!
mfukt
Yea right, he has gay friends. In his dreams.
Mk_ultra_again
@Isaac C: Are you for real? Any gay person who settles for anything less than full equality is someone who has lost any sense of pride for himself and doesn’t deserve the rights that everyone else is working so hard to get. If you accept civil union, or making other sorts of troublesome, unreliable legal arrangement, you really are making a declaration of your own foolishness and weakness.
B
No. 15 · Mk_ultra_again (replying to Isaac C) wrote, “Any gay person who settles for anything less than full equality is someone who has lost any sense of pride for himself and doesn’t deserve the rights that everyone else is working so hard to get. If you accept civil union, or making other sorts of troublesome, unreliable legal arrangement, you really are making a declaration of your own foolishness and weakness.”
Not really true – sometimes you make faster progress by taking lots of “baby steps” that on the average go in the right direction. It’s not a question of goals but of tactics. You can disagree on what the best choice is of course, but a different assessment as to what tactics are optimal is not automatically a “declaration of … foolishness and weakness.”
Cam
@Isaac C: said…
“Most states have SSM banned in their constitution. It doesn’t make sense to focus on the word.”
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You keep trying to use the right wing narrative of “It’s just a word” when it isn’t. In CA. they did a study and pulled out over 100 different ways that Civil Unions were not equal to marriage. Wheras legal marriage, even though not recognized Federally grants all the state benefits where Civil Unions don’t.
And yet you keep fighting against it. Why? You seem to have an agenda.
christopher di spirito
Did Piers have to bring in a special “rhino chair” for Gov. Fatso to plant his lard in for the interview?
In any case, I don’t believe a word he says. Gov. Fatso is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the RNC now. The money boys and king makers think they have their candidate for the 2016 presidential election and he isn’t tainted by support for same-sex marriage.
Isaac C
@B: Exactly.
@Cam: You seem to have missed this part of my post: “Why not expand the rights of Civil Unions and bring them to par with marriages, like in the U.K., until DOMA is repealed, if it’s about the rights?”
Mark
@Isaac C: Ah yes Isaac, the republicans are defending it – you know, John Boehner and the like?
Mark
@Isaac C: separate is not equal. I will settle for nothing less.
rick
The main problem is in the fact that he basis his decision on his Catholic faith.
Religion has NO business in government.
Will we every understand that?
The comment itself should get him impeached.
Steve
It is possible that Christie used to have (past-perfect tense) some gay friends, a long time ago.
After what he has done to harm gay people, I do not believe that he has (present tense) any gay friends at all.
kendoll
Perhaps he believes the veto helps shape his path to veep on the 2012 ticket but it may rule him out in favor of another without the baggage. One thing for sure, the die is cast that he will always be remembered at the fat fuck that vetoed marriage equality.
wc1
Sick of these right wing assholes that say they have “gay friends”.
Well lets meet them. I want them to go on record on camera that they are a ‘friend’ of Christie’s and they don’t think he’s a bigot.
He’s a liar. No gay person would be caught dead with that fat fuck.
MKe
I think he should just go be a lawyer instead of a politician. He’s a raging asshole who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.
B
No. 25 · wc1 wrote, “He’s a liar. No gay person would be caught dead with that fat fuck.”
Maybe not as a boyfriend (excluding those who like them chubby), but as Lao Tsu said, “If a man is bad, do not abandon him.”
If his alleged gay friends abandon him, who is going to reform him?
dvlaries
What ‘gay friends…?’ Larry Craig? Ted Haggard?
Danny
@Isaac C. Actually you are wrong. Marriage equality in New Jersey would provide more rights to gay couples than Civil Unions. That is an undeniable fact. For example, marriages performed in New Jersey for gay couples would automatically be recognized in other states (including neighboring New York) with marriage equality and countries (including Canada and Mexico) with marriage equality while Civil Unions are not. So there is a distinct insurmountable difference between the two statuses, which thus, are never equal in the state-controlled benefits they provide – namely, the state of New Jersey expecting other regions with marriage equality to treat its citizens equally under marriage. The only way for New Jersey can provide that benefit of marriage which it provides to other New Jersey citizens is to provide marriage equality.
tjr101
It seems Isaac C is one of the gay friends Christie is talking about.
Danny
I’m certain Adolf Hitler said some of his best friends were Jewish, gay, disabled, Protestant, or members of other groups whose human rights he violated as the democratically-elected leader of his region. The Holocaust was the product of democracy, the product of a democratically-elected popular government whose people carried out the atrocities with n’r-a-thought-of-empathy-or-compassion; it was carried out by the masses in the name of superiority and became the ultimate proof that for democracy to have any meaning whatsoever, democracy has to be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Global Traveler
I will spare you all the minutia involved, but DOMA is preventing my partner and I from living together in this country. So I’m having to move.
I was born here. My parents have been here for generations. My dad is a bona fide war hero. I pay my taxes. I donate to charity, etc etc etc. (I know….sounds like I’m starting to believe my own press) There is no one who is more “deserving” of the benefits of being an American than I. So words do matter.
If he has friends who are gay, then they’re no one that I’d care to meet. That type of self loathing is corrosive to the soul of anyone standing too close.
Separate but equal didn’t work before, and it’s not working now.
CBRad
@Danny: Except for Protestants, I don’t think Hitler ever said any of that. He did say Roehm was one of his best friends (but tried to ignore Roehm’s sexuality).
Robert in NYC
@Isaac C: British Civil Partnerships are NOT equal to marriage, especially in the areas of pensions and portability outside the country. Further, the varying degrees of legal unions outside of civil marriage for gay couples throughout the EU and elsewhere are NOT uniform. For example, a British gay couple who have entered into a civil partnership and who wanted to work and reside in France for example, would not enjoy all of the rights of their civil partnership because the French version, called a PAC, doesn’t even offer half of the rights of the British version, so they lose the bulk of their rights normally enjoyed in their native country. This entire separate union nonsense is fraught with inequalities. If you were to hold referenda in the EU to abandon marriage for civil unions, you wouldn’t find many takers at least not among heterosexuls, nor would you find much support for it here in the U.S.
Getting back to the topic at hand. Garden State Equality actually stated that Christie “doesn’t have a bigoted bone in his body”. Imagine, gay apologists are defending him, who would have thought? Claiming that he has “gay” friends as most bigots do when challenged, doesn’t mean a person isn’t bigoted. It’s cover to deflect their bigotry.
Mrs. Robinson
God that fat fuck looks like Jaba the Hut. Looks like he ate an entire fucking pizza hut building, in fact.
Friend of Christie
I really, really wish that all of these perfect physical specimens of humankind who insist on making Christie’s appearance an issue would post their own pictures, so that, you know, we can all see the exquisite faces and bodies all of you sport. Because you wouldn’t be so shallow and hypocritcal as to judge someone on their appearance, would you? Gays are better than that, right? Well, apparently not. Basing your politics on appearance rather than substance is a dangerous route to take.
And yes, Christie has gay friends. Just as I have heterosexual Republican friends. Just because you guys would never expand your social circle to include people with whom you disagree politically doesn’t mean everyone else is the same. Some of us look at the person, not the person’s ideology.
@Isaac C: Of course you’re on the side of facts here, Isaac. You and I both know that these hardcore Lefties are forever using Hitler as their example of Republican evil (although, ironically, Hitler and his drive to control German society is oddly reminiscent of B.O. and his attempts to turn us into a socialist nation), because it’s a shock word. Remember all the “BUSHITLER” signs from Bush’s days? And how people on this site are always claiming that Republicans want all gays dead? These people are ferociously angry with life in general. I doubt too many people here know much about the world other than “Gay is good” and “You’re no one until you’re part of an oppressed group”. So consider the source(s).
B
Re No 35: Don’t insult Jabba the Hutt by comparing Christie to him. Jabba runs the rackets in his part of George Lucas’ galaxy and launders some of his cash through some gay porn studios. He’ll get mad about bad PR that might hurt his business interests. You don’t want Jabba to be mad at you and it doesn’t take much to get him angry. He might throw you in a silly dungeon with some big dinosaur-like creature that has a nasty disposition.
Alexandria
I’m so sick of hearing this “let’s put it on the ballot” crap. If people voted for segregation or women’s rights, guess what?! It would have never happened. Just because it is popular opinion doesn’t mean it is right. If it was popular opinion to allow brothers and sisters to marry would that make it right? Hell No. These are civil rights issues and the angry mob shouldn’t decide TO an EXTENT, of course.