Rep. Mike Rogers, the Michigan Republican who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, wants Bradley Manning, the queer Army private, executed if found guilty of leaking classified military documents to Wikileaks. (He also doesn’t like the idea of anyone thinking leaking such files has any positive benefit.) “We know for a fact that people will likely be killed because of this information being disclosed,” he told radio station WHMI. “That’s pretty serious. If they don’t charge him with treason, they ought to charge him with murder. I argue the death penalty clearly should be considered here,” he said. “He clearly aided the enemy to what may result in the death of U.S. soldiers . . . If that is not a capital offense, I don’t know what is.”
Mark Alexander
What is it with the republicans/conservatives/jeebus-followers that everything is DEATH DEATH DEATH KILL KILL KILL?
Daniel Faraday
I couldn’t agree with Mark Alexander more
Why are these people elected into office?
jason
Mike Rogers is insane. Why didn’t he say the same thing about the government officials who misinformed the public about invading Iraq for “weapons of mass destruction” and they didn’t find any.
Kieran
Wasn’t that the excuse of every German soldier after WWII? As a soldier I couldn’t disobey my orders or object in any way because I’d be executed for treason against the Fatherland!
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
Sorry I gots zero sympathy for that little scumbag. We had a definite mission to go into Afghanstan and that was to seek out Bin Ladin for his role in planning the 9/11 attacks. We lost the backing of the world and most of this country when Bush suddenly decided to turn on a dime, forget about Bin Ladin and go on his escapade into Iraq. That was a huge mistake, we should have never gone into there and the whole damm mess has turned into a total clusterfuck for everyone involved.
That all being said, there are thousands of our soldiers there now in harms way. And a good many of them happen to be Gay. What this little scumbag did jeapordized the safety and well being of many of them. And if it does turn out that the rumblings that he is actually Gay or trans will give even more fuel to the anti-Gay fires for preventing soldiers from serving in the military.
We as the Gay community need not rush to defend this little scumbag simply because he may be one of us. Most likely his actions placed many of our Gay brothers and Lesbian sisters in harms way. Every soldier knows there are specific rules for treason. If your actions are proven to give aid and comfort to the enemy you know full well what they are and you suffer the consequences……..
Fuck Traitors
What’s wrong with executing a traitor (if convicted)?
I do not care if he is gay, straight or bi. If you commit treason you deserve execution.
whatever
He’s a hero in my book. Out of Afghanistan now.
Kevin
@whatever: A hero? You’re twisted. This is a sad day for American government. You can bet that the Taliban and their associates are pouring over these papers and will make use of the information therein. There will likely be American deaths. There will almost certainly be violence perpetrated against those Afghans who provided information to us. It’s outrageous that Wikileaks allowed some of their names to be printed in full rather than redacted. Also unfortunate is the chilling effect this will have on interdepartmental information sharing. You think we had trouble connecting the dots pre-9/11, just wait and see how insular our intelligence agencies are going to be after this fiasco. Probably the worst of it all is how much information hostile governments now have about how our intelligence and MI resources operate. If this kid is guilty, he’s done a lot of irreparable harm to this country. The only people who should consider him a hero are the Taliban and the Chinese intelligence agency.
whatever
@Kevin: The war’s been dragging on for 9 fucking years now. Newsflash, American and coalition forces are dying by the thousands and Afghan civilians by the tens of thousands, many due to our drone attacks. Now, after this people are so punctilious about the friggen body count? Give me a break.
If it hastens our exit out of that clusterfuck (Iraq, too!), that’s a good thing.
reason
If he is responsible for the leaks he is a traitor, plain and simple. I can’t believe people think it is okay to leak classified government documents when we are fighting a war with an enemy that is determined to eradicate us. He put his fellow troops in harms way and he has put the U.S. in harms way, therefore he should meet whatever penalty is permissible by U.S. law. I have never been a fan of the death penalty myself but it is not my decision.
Bill Perdue
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: @Fuck Traitors: PFC Bradley Manning is a hero. We should work with the antiwar movement to free him and to support the GI antiwar movement.
“Public support for President Obama’s Afghanistan war policy has plummeted amid a rising U.S. death toll and the unauthorized release of classified military documents, according to a new USA Today/Gallup Poll.
Support for Obama’s management of the war fell to 36%, down from 48% in a February poll. Now, a record 43% also say it was a mistake to go to war there after the terrorist attacks in 2001.” Political Wire
Treason is the crime committed by every member of Congress who votes for wars of aggression, every member of the Cabinet who implements wars or aggression and Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson (*), Nixon (*), Carter, Reagan, Bush1 (*), Clinton (*), Bush2 (*), and Obama.
We should join the antiwar movement in fighting to convene an International War Crimes Tribunal to investigate the situations in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
(*) In addition to treason for involving the US in illegal wars of aggression to steal oil and natural resources these rogue presidents are implicated in genocidal policies.
Bill Perdue
@Daniel Faraday: The war in Afghanistan is Obama’s war.
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: Get your head out of your ass!
We need to finish the war in Afghanistan to eradicate Al-Qaeda and prevent another mass-scale attack on American soil. We also need to strike Iran’s nuclear capability to prevent this vile theocratic regime from threatening us in the region and proliferating WMDs.
If you are worried about “situations in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan” you should move there so that your wonderful Islamic friends get a chance to give you 50 lashes for holding hands with a man in public.
Now, all you Anti-American Quislings, vote down my post!
Tim W
@Fuck Traitors: Are you serious? I supported the war initially but now it has become one cluster f**k. We are not going to eradicate al-Qaeda there because the Karzai government will not allow it. They are playing both sides and too many of our soldiers are dying. I’d be all for staying there if what you proposed is possible. But let’s be real Karzai wants us there to prop up his government but not to do the real work needed because it would make him unpopular with the Afghan people. We have a disasterous strategy and since we refuse to stand up to the Karzai government it’s time to get out.
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
To all those calling this little scumbag a “hero”….learn the definition. As stated in the previous post where the persons couldn’t hit the thumbs down fast enough (what a suprise) I 100% disagree with this whole clusterfuck situation in Iraq and now Afghanstian that Bush got us embroiled in. However take off the rose colored clases and realize putting our soldiers at risk and leaving us open to more potential attacks by leaking confidential information to the enemy is not going to end the war. We are there and unfortunately we need to deal with it and find a way out of it without jeapordizing our troops. And once again there are lots of rumors this little scumbag is either Gay or trans. How about all the additional grief that Gay and Lesbian soldiers will now face because of his actions??? Or how this will bolster the arguments that Gay and Lesbian soldiers are not fit to serve or to be trusted???
This guy a hero??? The heros are the Gay and Lesbian soldiers who are serving side by side with every other soldier in trying to muddle throught this mess…….Don’t you dare give recognition to anyone who has put their lives in jeapordy
Bill Perdue
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: @Fuck Traitors: The only ones putting American soldiers lives in danger are pro-war folks, including zionists who don’t mind seeing American GI’s die to protect the zionist colony in Palestine.
Afghanistan is Obama’s war.
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
@Bill Perdue: Once again this scumbags actions put soldiers lives at risk. They are not making the decisions regarding this war, why the fcuk is that so hard to comprehend???? The soldiers on the ground are not responsible for policy. This little scumbag being identified as Gay puts a hurt on all the Gay community. Especially the Gay and Lesbian soldiers who are not going to be looked at with more suspect that they too can’t be trusted………Wake up please….
DR
Whether or not you believe this is a “just war” or one we need to get out of ASAP, I cannot for any reason fathom why we should support a soldier leaking classified military documents. He screwed up big time, and has to be held accountable. Any arguments about a “just” or “unjust” war are nothing more than red herring arguments meant to detract from the real issue, which is the criminal activity this soldier engaged in and must be held accountable for.
ousslander
I agree we should get out let Afghan crumble into chaos and have them sort it out. As to this douche bag Hang em high
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
@DR: Thank you, so many people are simply seeing that a repugnatican official made the inital statement about Manning and lockstep they feel he becomes a hero……….
DR
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS:
Oh, don’t forget the gay angle of the soldier. That automatically makes the soldier immune from criticism as long as he doesn’t announce he’s a registered republican or bisexual.
I agree with you. It saddens me that people are so eager so criticize what a Republican says that they’ve forgotten that this guy leaked info puts American soldiers at risk. They forget this guy violated the law. But you’re right. It seems that since a Republican commented on a tangentially queer issue, anything he says must be bad.
Baxter
18 U.S.C. 2381
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
I’m not sure I see the problem with someone saying that they think someone who offered aid to our enemies should be executed under federal law.
Jimmy Fury
I have to agree with DR, Plays Well, and the rest. Just because Rogers is a douche (with some serious language problems… “know for a fact it will” and “likely” are mutually exclusive concepts) and Manning might be gay doesn’t make Manning a victim or a hero or anything else that deserves sympathy.
He knowingly committed a criminal act punishable by death. If the death penalty ever does come into play there is no one to blame but him.
Dawson
@Mark Alexander: Have you read the Bible? That really should answer your question.
Dawson
I hate to break it to you, but the people that founded this country believed that the government should not lie to the American people. The believed that so wholeheartedly that they wrote freedom of press and freedom of speech into the constitution. The forefathers believed that when you knew about wrong doing by your own country you take a stand. America has been very dirty in the whole Iraq/Afghanistan mess, and if people knew the true extent of what they have done they would demand withdraw and send GW and DC to jail not this kid that has brought light to the very tip of our wrong doings. This blind faith and loyalty to our country has got to stop at some point.
L.
@Dawson: Hear, hear. And let’s not forget,
“The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be *full liberty to tell the truth about his acts*, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But *it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant*, about him than about any one else.” – Theodore Roosevelt.
What’s good enough for the president surely is good enough for government, or the military.
DR
@Baxter: So the death penalty is written into the statute. This isn’t some wingnut making things up as he goes along, he’s asking for the fullest punishment under the law.
toyotabedzrock
This is a direct result of allowing those who think TORTURE is OK to not be PROSECUTED as WAR CRIMINALS!
Everyone should ask Obama if this is the world he wants his daughters to grow up in!
Bill Perdue
@PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS: Obama is putting soldiers lives at risk. PFC Bradley Manning is trying to save lives. So are http://ivaw.org/ and all the other soldiers, sailors, air crew and marines opposed to the war.
The fact that Manning is gay and actually doing something about the war makes us all that more proud of him. If that scares you hide in a closet.
Convene an International War Crimes Tribunal to investigate US aggression in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: You ought to be ashamed of supporting traitors and enemies of America. People like you make LGBT community look like a bunch of Anti-American clowns, enablers of terrorism and supporters of Radical Islamic bigots. Go move to Iran for your 50 lashes and subsequent hanging or stoning!
Bill Perdue
PFC Bradley Manning is a hero.
People like FuckedUp ^^^^^^ who support the wasting of the lives of civilians and GIs in the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan and the US war against Palestinians are traitors.
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: Have you booked your ticket to Iran already?
Bill Perdue
@Fuck Traitors: People like me in Iran – unionists, GLBT folks, the left – are doing all they can to destroy the mad ayatollahs.
FuckUP ^^^^, zionists and other pro-war scum want to use nukes on those same activists. Thats why they’re so fucked up.
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: Left-wing nuts like you are just “useful idiots” for enemies of America all around the world. Our military strength is the only guarantee of our security. Idiots like you cannot do anything useful to stop our enemies.
If you are so brave, go stage a protest in Iran or STFU.
Bill Perdue
No piggy, ^^^^^, I think I’ll stay and watch you stroke out.
BTW, how many times were you wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan?
You weren’t?
Then what gives you the right to criticize heroes like PFC Bradley Manning?
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: You are such a loser.
Running your mouth about “destroying the mad ayatollahs” and too chicken to go confront them or even support our brave men and women who are actually out there defending your comfort and your freedom to run your mouth. Maybe you should try bowing to these ayatollahs instead, like your friend Obama? Maybe that would work better!
Every American patriot has the right to criticize any piece-of-shit traitor like Manning who puts our troops and allies in danger. He certainly deserves the death penalty for breaking the oath he took when he joined our armed forces. Shame on him and shame on you!
Bill Perdue
PFC Bradley Manning is a hero. Free PFC Bradley Manning! The only ones who deserve jail are the generals, admirals and politicians wdoing the dirty work for big oil.
So I was right. You are a chickenshit chickenhawk (in the paytriotic sense). It’s disgusting that you get some kind of sick satisfaction from the deaths of GI’s and civilians whose lives are wasted in an imperialist agression for oil, mineral resources and to support zionist apartheid and ethnic cleansing.
You’re a pig. The stench of the sty is on you Like ugly on a toad. You’re a pretty inept little piggy. Any one who thinks I’m an Obot is as dumb as a post, or as dumb as your post. I can see why they held you in seventh grade so long.
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: Cry, commie assclown, cry!
Bill Perdue
^^^^ Make that third grade.
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: Still crying, commie?
Bill Perdue
No, Adolph, I’m giggling.
Queer Supremacist
@Fuck Traitors: Bile Perdue has no shame. He clings to a discredited ideology that promotes—and has carried out—more mass murder than any other non-religious belief system in history. I’m not surprised he’d support anyone who gives aid and comfort to genocidal monsters. And he has the nerve to call anyone a racist who calls him out on it. I guess mass murderers are now a protected minority group.
@Bill “Ernst Rohm” Perdue: You are just as big a traitor as Bradley Manning and therefore equally worthy of the death penalty. You fucking commie scum are responsible for the largest genocides in history, even more than Hitler, who had more in common with you than you’ll ever admit. You’re also an unrepentant anti-semite (anyone who supports the illegal Muslim land robbing of Israel is no better than a Nazi) and a lousy writer. You’re the political equivalent of refrigerator magnet poetry.
If found guilty, Bradley Manning should be executed.
Here’s all the justification you need for the War on Terrorism:
“Sura 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
And how about this doozy:
http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/12/irangayteens1.jpg
Slay the Christo-Islamic menace!
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: That’s because you are a retard.
Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: Quick, take your meds, kapoboy.
Bill Perdue
@Fuck Traitors: Make that pre-school.
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: Any kindergärtner has more brains than you.
Bill Perdue
Oooh, kapoboy, thats so scary… what I mean is the fact that won’t take your meds when you so obviously need them.
Bill Perdue
@Fuck Traitors: Not you.
Fuck Traitors
@Queer Supremacist: Wow, did this clown get your post flagged and removed? What a lowly scum.
Queer Supremacist
@Bill Perdue: Who the hell are you calling a “boy,” you filthy Aryan.
Bill Perdue
Below are excerpted remarks by the KAPO, His full are very long and very sociopathic. But, if you have the stomach for check them out at http://www.queerty.com/jerusalem-mayor-yitzhak-pindrus-plan-to-tackle-gay-pride-20100729/ )
No. 10 • Queer Supremacist
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“There are no “Palestinians”. You’re nothing but an Arabist pig defending filthy genocidal homophobic Muslim camel fuckers, while perseverating (sic) (sick) discredited Stalinist tropes like a severely autistic parrot…
Take your pro-Muslim blood libel elsewhere or I will report your IP address to the FBI for treasonous activity. The land of Israel belongs to the Jews, including the parts illegally occupied by goyische breeder terrorists. They have more of a right to exist than the United States…
(I consider all heterosexual sex acts rape)…
The only thing keeping Obama from becoming a dictator are the constitutional separation of powers…
…Israel’s founding… heretic goyim (all gentile religions are heretic… Israel needs … to do whatever it takes to protect innocent people from being brutally murdered by terrorist scum who worship convicted felons like Jesus and child molesters like Muhammad.
And the first equivocation of Zionism (that’s with a capital Z, for the rest of you Pan-Arabist scum) with racism by the United Nazis, I mean the United Nations…
Uganda has no right to sovereignty. Iran has no right to sovereignty. Iraq has no right to sovereignty. Afghanistan has no right to sovereignty. Jamaica has no right to sovereignty. Saudi Arabia has no right to sovereignty. Zimbabwe has no right to sovereignty. The Vatican has no right to sovereignty…. China has no right to sovereignty…
If the majority of the gays turn against Jews I will become celibate and actively homophobic. ”
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No. 11 • Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: Who let you out of your sty, racist.
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@Queer Supremacist: You are everything that’s wrong with the world.
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@Queer Supremacist: Holy shit! You must be as exhausted from that tirade as I am from reading it! You, sir, are full of shit……
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No. 14 • L.
@Queer Supremacist: You’re not getting paid by the word, I hope.
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No. 15 • Queer Supremacist
“By the way, your ad hominem attacks have done nothing to disprove everything I said.
Yes, I am a proud bigot. I am bigoted against the enemies of the Jews. I am bigoted against the enemies of the gay community. I am bigoted against people who hate me and want me dead for a “being crime.” I am bigoted against land robbers and genocidal maniacs. I am bigoted against people who worship thieves and child molesters.”
Fuck Traitors
@Bill Perdue: He makes more sense than you, commie clown.
apilgrim1
@Kieran: All US service-members are instructed (at their basic service schools) that it is their duty to question, disobey, and to report an illegal or unconstitutional order through an alternate chain of command – usually through the Judge Advocate General’s office. If they do follow an illegal order they are personally accountable/liable to prosecution for their actions in both military and civilian courts. This is made very clear to every single one of them before they end up in a unit. “I was just following orders”, “I can’t question orders”, or “I had no choice but to follow the order” is not a legal, ethical, or moral excuse according to the UCMJ, civilian US law, or the Geneva Convention.
Please save smart-ass comments. Just pointing out the difference between German soldiers during WWII and US soldiers according to law.
apilgrim1
I don’t believe a “hero” puts the lives of uninvolved people at risk unnecessarily (especially with a hypocritical anti-war political agenda).
And that is exactly what Manning did. At the least he is a hypocrite and at the worst a treasonous murderer. Even if one disagrees/denies that he put the lives of US service-members at risk, according to the Taliban the civilian Afghan informers will be beheaded (and probably that of their families). I don’t doubt the sincerity of the Taliban to take action and do so either.
As far as Wikileaks – they operate secretly, protect their secret sources and Assange has collected over a million US dollars for his actions while accepting that there may be collateral damage in lives. If you can’t see the ironic hypocrisy in that you need to think about things more.
Queer Supremacist
@Bill Perdue: Funny how some of my anti-anti-gay beliefs overlap with yours yet I, not you, am the psychopath.
How do you tell a good post on Queerty? By how many people voted thumbs down on it.
You really need your head bashed in. Take your hate speech to Stormfront where it belongs, donal1944.
Mike Adkison
The last statement, “If that’s not a capitol offense, what is?” How about poisoning the entire gulf of Mexico?
Frank Blackstone
For Certain this Congressman is out for no one but himself and his Sick opinion , But the people somehow voted for him or he would not have his Fat pay check to abuse the rights of everyone below his way of thinking in his Sick Mind ..Obviousley in full suport of the Military afraid that the Amerikan people will get to see the truth behind there Criminal actions …..Amerika is in a toilet hopeing the world might not pull the chain on it and send us all down the sewere along with the past historical countries tried to conquer the world and lost…..