When Michael Lucas threw down against fellow porn star Brent Corrigan at the GayVNs this weekend, even he might have been unaware how much mileage he would get out of it. Besides trading back-and-forth blog barbs with Corrigan, Lucas has released his own statements and, now, the correspondence he’s having with the press.
Lucas fired off a note to porn rag Unzipped about its coverage of the melee, and received this note back from associate editor Ken Knox (please let that be his real name, not porn name), complete with moral lessons from When Harry Met Sally:
Hey there, Michael,
Got your messages. It makes sense that you were shocked that I would write something slanderous toward you, because obviously I wouldn’t. I would never write anything malicious or slanderous against you. That’s just not my M.O.
However, I do have to say that I don’t agree with your opinion about the industry and Brent Corrigan. I totally understand where you are coming from, and we should all fight against child porn, but Brent Corrigan is of age now, and he has a right to perform in the business, just as any other legal-age performer does.
I know the Russian justice system is a little different, but here in America, we forgive people for their mistakes. We don’t penalize shoplifters for the rest of their lives because they did something stupid. Similarly, Brent did something truly stupid, but to blacklist him from the industry or any kind of acknowledgment serves no purpose other than to validate the self-righteousness of those who condemn him.
I think it’s extremely admirable that you stand up for wha t you believe in, Michael. I truly do, and you know that I am a big fan. But I do wish you would pick and choose your battles more carefully. There’s a line from When Harry Met Sally where Meg Ryan says to Billy Crystal, “Harry, you’re going to have to learn that you can’t express every emotion that you have every moment that you’re having it,” and I think that’s something to keep in mind. One question I always try to ask myself before offering my opinion on something is: “How much of what I’m saying is truly helpful to the cause, and how much of it is just my own need to be heard?” That’s a question I think we could all afford to ask ourselves more often.
Anyway, I don’t want to lecture you. You will do what you do, as you always do, and I support you in that no matter what. I think yours is a very important voice in the industry. But please, try not to condemn those who do not agree with you. You may be horrified to know that we are placing Brent on the cover of our next issue of Freshmen, and we have no problem with doing that. I’ll also be reiterating my opinion about Brent working on our blog tomorrow. It doesn’t make Unzipped or myself any less responsible or noble; it just means that we are doing our job in covering the notable players in the industry. Likewise, in nominating Brent for GayVN Awards, the judges were just acknowledging good work and giving credit where credit was due. There’s no need to judge the performers. That’s not our job. Please try not to speak out against us so harshly.
By the way, you can always find out who wrote individual posts by going to the bottom of each post and seeing who posted it. That way you can afford any future embarrassment that might come with speaking out of turn against writers. 🙂
Respectfully and warmly as always,
To which Lucas responded:
Ok great, so let’s accept him and then we’ll accept the next kid who does it then the next kid until we all end up with child pornography all over our computers. Because this should be the accepted protocal of our industry to forget it once they are of age??? I am disappointed with your morality on this. But we all have our standard of practices. Also, what does any of this have to do with the Russian system? I am an American so no need to lecture me about what WE in America do. Let’s respect this.
Paul
Wow. Lucas just lost all credibility. Ken’s letter was respectful, thoughtful, and most importantly, right.
Lucas’ philosophy–adopted in other contexts–would brand a bubble gum thief a terrorist for a lifetime. A balance must always be delicate struck between appropriate punishment for a crime (or an industry transgression) and eventual forgiveness. We put murderers away for life. Everything less offensive to our sensibilities, we generally cut some slack.
God help us if Lucas were in charge of the criminal justice system.
Anthony in Nashville
Whoever compared Lucas to Kanye in another thread was very accurate.
They sometimes raise interesting points, but they soon become obscured by their need to keep the spotlight on themselves.
They both need to go away for a couple of years.
RS
@Paul: Shoplift gum from a supermarket at the age of 17, permanently banned from all supermarkets for life?
While Brent has owned up to his role, Lucas continues to focus ALL of the blame on him. Where is his outrage at the producer who failed to follow industry-standard age verification procedures? The producer encouraging young guys to engage in unprotected bareback sex? The producer who slepts with stars who were undeniably more than half his age? In most companies, that would be a clear case of sexual harassment no matter how consensual because of the clear power disparity.
Cee
LOL I totally agree with Michael Lucas. What does any of this have to do with Russia? The remark that “here in America, we forgive people for their mistakes” is very condescending and immature. It’s a low blow and has no relevance. The justice system in Russia has nothing to do with Michael Lucas statement regarding Brent Corrigan at the GayVNs. I’m glad Michael Lucas kept his reply short and sweet. Ken Knox, you are an idiot. On another note, Michael Lucas has contributed more to the gay community than Brent Corrigan ever will. I doubt Brent Corrigan will have done much (other than gay porn) by the time he is Michael Lucas age. Does he even have a high school diploma? Doing porn at 17 years old. Gotta be kidding me. Michael Lucas is a spokes person. He is an educator. He has given lectures at top universities in the United States regarding gay issues, his political beliefs and background. I mean how dare anyone stick up for this twinky little $h!t of a porn star Brent Corrigan who has done very little for the gay community other than get you off and then you attempt to $h!t on Michael Lucas. I’m appalled.
Mike
Anyone who believes that Lucas is expressing anything other than sour grapes is an idiot.
Lucas becomes more of a joke every day.
Sad.
naprem
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Kevin@BGFH
@Cee: I agree that Ken Knox’s comments about Russia were uncalled for and unhelpful. But comparing a 22-year-old’s accomplishments to a 37-year-olds is kinda silly. Give Brent another 15 years and we’ll see.
I will say this about my experiences working with Brent. Your comment about how he “has done very little for the gay community other than get you off” is inaccurate. Brent and I worked together on two charity fundraisers for Community United Against Violence, a small nonprofit in San Francisco that provides emergency services and support for LGBT victims of hate crimes and domestic abuse. These fundraisers raised $7,500 — a pittance for the budgets of mega-organizations like AmFar and HRC, but critical for small, local nonprofits, and were essential in helping CUAV make payroll for their bare-bones, low-paid staff.
I’m sure Michael Lucas also has done his share of support for charities as well. No one I’ve heard is trying to “$h!t” on his own accomplishments. They’re just saying that attacking Brent himself is misguides and misdirected. Focus on the people producing, promoting and deliberately purchasing underage porn.
Cee
@ Paul, you obviously know nothing about Michael Lucas’ credentials. Once again, he has spoken at top Universities regarding gay issues, AIDS prevention, same sex marriage, etc. That is more important than this non sense with Brent Corrigan, and makes Michael Lucas very credible. So why don’t you take your thumb out of your ass and smell the $h!t because that’s all you are typing. Michael Lucas does not lose credibility because you say so and definitely not to Brent Corrigan. Find a clue.
@ Mike, you are a joke. Michael Lucas has probably done more for the gay community than you have and ever will. You obviously know nothing of his background. His life spans beyond porn. I wish people who don’t know what they are talking about would just shut up…LOL But we know that will never happen.
Cee
@ Kevin@BGFH…my statement is far from silly. I stated that I doubt Brent Corrigan will have done as much by the time he is Michael Lucas age. So obviously I am fully aware of the age difference and do not expect Brent Corrigan to have accomplished as much at 22 years old as Michael Lucas has at 37. However, I highly doubt as I stated before…that he will. Just look at Michael Lucas background, where he comes from, what he escaped, what he has accomplished. Then look at Brent Corrigan’s to date and the direction he is headed in. They are nowhere near. I mean good luck to him. I’m appalled at the support for this twinky porn star who has done nothing and the lack of support for Michael Lucas. It’s truly sad.
Cee
@ Kevin@BGFH, one more thing…I can’t believe that you even mentioned Brent did work for a charity against violence when he is currently dating someone with extreme violent tendencies! WHAT A JOKE…LOL
Nick
I still can’t believe people are taking sides in this. Obviously Michael Lucas is a windbag. But I’m tired of reading about Brent Corrigan drama on gay blogs, too. Where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire. A pox on both their houses.
ChristopherM
“Credentials”? “Accomplishments”? THEY SUCK COCK FOR A LIVING, PEOPLE!!! There’s nothing wrong with that, but don’t act like they are working as wet nurses in a goddamn leper colony! Sheesh!
Ken Knox
I’m not here to respond to any of Michael’s statements or any of the reader’s comments. I have responded to him in private to him and we have worked it out between us, as we always do. We have a mutually respectful relationship that goes back several years, and will continue to have that in the coming years.
However, I do wish to apologize publicly for my comments about Michael’s Russian heritage. I did not mean to imply that he doesn’t understand the American justice system. But where we come from and the experiences we had in previous times of our lives often color or influence or inform our opinions on things, and I was merely suggesting that perhaps growing up in Russia had some influence on how he feels about justice.
I know how important Michael’s American citizenship is to him, and I never meant to imply that he’s any less American because he is from Russia.
Ken Knox,
Unzipped magazine
allstarecho
@Ken Knox: Sad that you even have to explain that, Ken, as it was so obvious.. but ditzy queens being ditzy queens do miss the obvious sometimes.
James
@Cee:
Are you working for Lucas or something?! Damn, I know you think there is nothing finer than the Lucas but even you must admit he can at times be over the top. Here is what the New Republic had to say:
“Lucas’s website describes him as “the epitome of the American Dream,” and, in some ways, that’s true. Americans, particularly immigrants, are experts at borrowing from different cultures in order to create something new. In the end, that capacity for borrowing may help explain Michael Lucas: He has married the pornographer’s taste for the outrageous to the brash self-assuredness of an immigrant entrepreneur to the ethnic nationalism of a Russian Jew to the subject matter of Bernard Lewis. And if the results are sometimes ridiculous or noxious–well, that’s the American way.”
Ridiculous and noxious. That sums up Mr. Lucas perfectly.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=156266ab-dc0b-46da-a59d-5d95a4332faf
strumpetwindsock
@James:
There is also the thesis that Russian Jews invented the american dream. Seen this movie?:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0141163/
strumpetwindsock
You can get the whole thing here:
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=hollywoodism&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=BcPTSe-xK5u4sgO_zpmhCg&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#
Miamian
Somebody needs to tell Lucas that it takes MORE than citizenship papaers to be an AMERICAN; just passing the citizenship test doesn’t make you a true AMERICAN, just a nationalized American.
stevie
Who cares about an over the hill porn star.
JD
Michael Lewis looks like a duck.
vernonvanderbilt
@JD: A…queer duck? He definitely has his Blue Steel nice and polished, doesn’t he?
Alec
@Miamian: Care to tell me what a “true AMERICAN” is? I’m curious, because last I checked, the citizenship papers and swearing in covered it.
Helga von Ornstein
Michael dear after going to google and putting in this kid’s name and seeing for myself just how pathetic this kid is I do wish you would practice the art of knowing when to declare victory and move on.
Right now, be it in the projects of some inner city housing development or a Beverly hills mansion some kid under 18 is giving what they think is the “performance” of their life hoping to break into an industry that by the time they are 19 they will no longer be able to show emotion/trust for anyone.
For those of you who have any doubt about what I just said you need look no further than the trial itself and the aftermath of the comments from people who do have credibility on the blog about knowing Lockhart and Lucas and the the rest of the Looney Tune bunch (Harlow, Roy, Enriques or whatever the hell the name of the person who shot Lockhart while he “slept”)and come to your own conclusions about how “healthy” this all is/will be in the long run of a teenager.
Good lord people lets move on here. Thank you.
Kevin
I can’t believe the amount of energy people are putting into this. It’s the pornography business people!! Get some realistic perspective on this “issue”. The porn industry is filled with some of the most unsavory people in the world, brent and michael included.
TANK
It seems the only people who dis/agree with either are making money from Lucas or Corrigan. This should be chalked up to a conflict of interest on knox’s part. And further, who gives a fuck about pornstars? I think it’s pathetic that the gay community is so involved in gay pornstars and gay porn. Well, the gay “community’s” pathetic anyway…but this is just another nail in the coffin.
Cee
@ James….I know right. Michael Lucas should hire me to be his spokes person. I’m hot too, but I won’t do porn. Been asked, but I won’t. Sorry! LOL I think Sean Lockhart AKA Brent Corrigan is shady and dysfunctional. I’m over him. Michael Lucas is someone who I was made aware of at a young age. I’m in my twenties and I remember seeing Michael Lucas on Ricki Lake when I was younger. He’s one of the first gay porn producers I ever heard of and I was impressed with the way he spoke and carried himself. No other gay producers are really out there like Michael Lucas. It was a good image for me to have at that age being that he was a porn producer and he looked and acted like a man. He spoke and carried himself very well. I mean I think if I would have saw ChiChi LaRue on Ricki at that age I would have been traumatized. No disrespect to ChiChi!
hardmannyc
I don’t consider a 17-year-old “child pornography.” There’s a difference between late teens and tweens or younger. I’m not advocating sex with them or exploiting them, but at 17, someone knows his mind a good deal more than than someone at 10 or 12. It’s worth remembering that before the 19th century, people that age were married and parents.
hardmannyc
“I think it’s pathetic that the gay community is so involved in gay pornstars and gay porn. Well, the gay “community’s” pathetic anyway…but this is just another nail in the coffin.”
Oh, please. Go on Gawker sometime or pick up a copy of Maxim. ALL men are obsessed with sex and porn.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
Or in this person’s case a misguided, and ultimately humiliating, if pressed, accusation of racism based upon the charge of homophobia in the black community.
TANK
Is hardman a nambla member?
TANK
@hardmannyc:
Didn’t see that. If you think for a second that the spats, fueds and personal lives of straight pornstars occupy any space in the typical straight male porn consumer’s consciousness, you’re wrong. There is a different relationship between the porn industry and the so called gay community than between heterosexuals and the porn industry.
forreal
Brent Corrigan is a trouble making, murdering, self obsessed liar. I would like nothing more for him to be blacklisted by the porn industry. I’ve spoken with him in a private social setting and also out and about at industry functions and he sucks.
I totally agree with Michael. Letting Brent slide for lying about his age only encourages others to do the same thing.
When Michael went up on stage at the GAYVN Awards to call Brent out, it was the best part of the evening. I really can’t believe people would fault Michael for standing up against CHILD PORNOGRAPHY! Get real, people!
Dawgson
I don’t think either of them are good people, but I think it’s pretty obvious that Michael Lucas is engaged in harassment here — name calling at events? spurious police reports? Self-aggrandizing press releases.
No one here is a good guy. No one is fighting for the greater good. It’s all self-promotion and ego.
It’s best to watch porn, get off and ignore the drama behind the scenes.
vernonvanderbilt
@Dawgson: But dude…it’s probably the closest we’ll get to a moderately engaging and slightly interesting plot where porn is concerned. Don’t shit on a nearly amusing story.
Paul
They are both losers to be airing this crap publicly.
Cee
lol @ FORREAL….that’s what I’ve been trying to tell these people. Brent Corrigan sucks ass.
Aaron J.
This is why I stick to the “amateur” sites. Don’t know who most of them are and don’t really care. Plus, it’s hotter.
Absurdist
What I don’t get is if we’re all such effing idiots, why does Michael Lucas ever bother talking to any of us at all, other than maybe to hear himself talk?
Helga von Ornstein
@Cee: Oh my god. I was just on another blog and someone said in the movie Schoolboy Crush he (corrigan) takes two at the same time. A double penetration. My god this kid is the tracy lords of gay porn. Good god all mighty.
TANK
TMI
Dawgson
@vernonvanderbilt: I’m not sh-tting on it! I’m just saying that neither of them are good people and if we think too much about either of them, we risk depriving ourselves of the enjoyment of hot porn!
James
@Cee:
“He spoke and carried himself very well. I mean I think if I would have saw ChiChi LaRue on Ricki at that age I would have been traumatized. No disrespect to ChiChi!”
Oh Lord. Yeah no disrespect meant at all. Soooo happy that the Lucas made you feel so good about liking dick.
Alec
@hardmannyc:
I don’t consider a 17-year-old “child pornography.”
The FBI disagrees with you.
Lucas may not have been as articulate or considerate as one would hope, but he has a valid point. Everyone who purchased, possessed or viewed Corrigan’s underage videos is potentially liable for violating the child pornography laws, with a maximum sentence of ten years and, if charged with receipt, a five year mandatory minimum.
Now, Justice doesn’t seem to be interested in prosecuting those cases. But would you really want your fate in the hands of the government and a jury? There’s nothing to prevent state prosecutors from prosecuting for violations of their own child pornography laws, either.
MontroseMonitor
… and the worst part; he misspelled “protocol”!!
Either way, someone sure is gettin’ alotta mileage outta this one.
Namaste, bitches.
Bob Lablah
Does anyone know what ever happened to “Stonie”? He was a hot little bottom.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
Yes, I agree with you there… absolutely.
I also, wasn’t trying to compare Lucas to Louis Mayer and Jack Warner; I was commenting on the notion that Russian Jews are somehow “un-American” whatever that means.
TANK
@Bob Lablah:
From borat? You don’t wanna know. lol
Bob Lablah
@TANK: No. The Stonie I am referring to was a hot bottom who looked so young I found it very hard to believe he was old enough to even be in porn.
All of his scenes were with older men and it was rumored it was because older men would pay his fees.
I have seen several movies of him since he got older but his age began to show and he lost his twinkiness.
This little fart Lockhart reminds me of him.
TANK
Yeah…you don’t want to know.
Tim in SF
@Cee: On another note, Michael Lucas has contributed more to the gay community than Brent Corrigan ever will. I doubt Brent Corrigan will have done much (other than gay porn) by the time he is Michael Lucas age.
It’s clear from this you do not know how much Corrigan has done for the “gay community” however you define that term (like, does it include Lesbians?). Also, you have to account for the fact that Corrigan isn’t very old compared to the much, much older Lucas. Corrigan simply hasn’t had the opportunity to develop a philanthropic history. Give the boy a chance to grow.
I mean how dare anyone stick up for this twinky little $h!t of a porn star Brent Corrigan who has done very little for the gay community other than get you off and then you attempt to $h!t on Michael Lucas. I’m appalled.
Brett Corrigan has done more for me than Michael Lucas, who has done nothing for me. So, at least one member of the gay community thinks you’re full of crap, Cee, and that would be me.
Dawgson
@Bob Lablah: He got a sex change. Seriously.
http://www.gaypornblog.com/archives/2008/01/gay_porn_before_after_stonie.html
NSFW. Apologies.
Bob Lablah
@Dawgson: Thank you very, very much for that. He was one whom I know I watch from junior high (when he did his first video around 2001) until he fell off the map a couple of years ago. Do you know if he has done any video in his sex change? Damn he/she looks good still.
Remembering how young he was when he first started I am not surprised he ended up looking like a young crack addicted drag queen who has a couple of months left at best in porn. I wish him the best.
I remember a black porn star named Richard Reyes who was one of the best black bottoms ever filmed. I mean he was in the top 5 of all time. He too ended up out on the streets sucking dick for $20 or a hit off a pipe or a place to stay. The shit gets the best of them eventually. I do wonder about a lot of them as to who is still here.
vernonvanderbilt
Wow, this Stonie situation is disappointing. He was one of my favourites back in the day as well. More power to him if that’s what he wants, but damn…I think I actually need to mourn a little.
Bob Lablah
@vernonvanderbilt: I don’t know why but I sat here for three hours last night until I found “her” movie on aebn. I am devastated. I followed his career and remember the days when he looked like a little baby fresh out of junior h/s. I couldn’t wait til his next one came out to wish I was who ever the hell it was riding that ass.
Thinking back though I do remember him always looking like a little pampered bitch who seemed the type to have a sugar daddy taking care of him, drugs and all. LOL I hope Lockhart/Corrigan knows about what happened to him. This kid Stonie was raking in the dough for awhile himself.
This boy is so far out there I don’t think the Hubble Telescope can find him/her. I hope she saved her money (but generally crack/meth will take it all and reduce you to things like that) because she/he/it does not have much longer to go and he never looked the type to work a job anywhere. If she/he got $500 for her “performance” she/he/it was overpaid. This is just disgusting. Though I would still fuck her/him/it because she does have a nice ass but now that ass is all that’s left.
Good lord, I am almost sorry I watched those movies but I am glad that now I now I have nothing to regret for not attempting a career in porn.
Anyone know what happened to Tony Davis? Remember him? He was another hot little bottom back in the late 80’s early 90’s around the time of Joey Stefano.
TANK
You know, I may have been sarcastic, but transgender people aren’t IT, bob. Okay? The person is SHE; that is the preferred pronoun that aligns with gender identity.
Bob Lablah
@TANK: You are correct. Even though he still has his testicles and can get a hard on that is what they are referred to.
However, as slutty as “she” appears in the video and the fact that whatever pics “she” had on “her” myspace page were deleted makes “her” all the more irrelevant. I mean that child has fallen to a level of outright trash. The movies are very poor in quality. I could have done that with my $250 Sony hand held camcorder and got better shots. It was just disgusting to watch.
There are several other young trannies in the video with her that look like respectable “girls” but “Brittany Coxxx” looks like she is destine for the grave yard or (if she is lucky) prison. I have seen her types before out there in west hollywood and here in nyc. This child/ woman is gone.
Even though I always felt he was the give me, give me (as in money) type I would never have guessed this was the ultimate end for her.
Tony Davis
@Bob Lablah: @Bob Lablah: Bob ! 🙂 Hey you , this is Tony Davis the porn actor,thanks for wondering where i am, i am doing awesome, i live in the hollywood area and just living my life . I took a big break from porn for a while , did alot of flicks , so i really needed a break, you know. But, Bob thanks again, i want to thank you for wondering what happened to me , nice to meet you and again , THANKS ———– Tony Davis 🙂 P.S HIT ME UP SOMETIME ,,,,,,,,,,,,
Manly Hands
@Tony Davis Nice to know that you’re still around!
I was looking at an old video of you w/ Jon Vincent and tweeted: “Whatever happened to Tony Davis??
I met you twice. Years ago at The Gaiety in NYC.
ass eater
does any one know if tony davis has a boyfriend! or if he’s even gay. he disappeared so abruptly from the planet.
ass eater
@Tony Davis: Is it hard to keep boyfriends when you’re in the porn industry. Are they ever jealous.
a fan of tony davis.
Dave Love
@Tony Davis:
Hey, Tony! This is Dave Love. We met at Show Palace in Summer of 1993 in NYC. You were staying in rm 942 at the Hotel Carter. Remember?// Hit mit up, please! Would love to catch up after all of these years.
Dave Love
240.370.2539
[email protected]
Dave Love
Hey Tony! This is Dave Love. We met in 1993 at the Show Palace in NYC. You were staying in rm 942 at the Hotel Carter. Please contact me!
tcountry627
@Tony Davis: Hi Tony Davis. I must say….all the movies I’ve seen you in….I think you were and still are the hottest star in the industry. Do you ever plan on making movies again? Are you single? Would love to see a picture of you now……LOVE YA!!!!!
Troy