I’d say more, but I think Landon took care of it just fine.

Hi-

I found your message fascinating, and I have some questions.

1. Would you go on to a site with a largely African American readership and refer to the majority of the readership as “niggers”? If not, maybe you should reconsider your use of the word “faggot” here.

2. It’s very nice that you have an imaginary friend that makes you happy. Imagine for minute, though, that we live in a country where people have religious freedom. Should your religious opinions (and they can ethically be referred to in no other way) take precedence over someone else’s civil rights? What if you lived in a country with an Islamic majority?

3. I am always troubled that people who are not gay think they know more about being gay than I do and are qualified to judge us. Can you deny that Christians (and everyone else) would do much more moral good by focusing on eradicating their own sin than by demonizing others? Can you deny that the people who are effected most by gay issues are gay people? Wouldn’t an ethical person factor that in when forming his or her opinions?

4. If you are going to insult people on the internet, take the trouble to spell your insults correctly. It makes you too easy a target when you do not.

Love,

A whiny, retarded, gay bitch

I’m so tired of the bitching and moaning it’s pathetic!

Why should the LDS be secretive?

They profess Jesus, but yet are secretive?

It makes no sense.

In this day and age, things can not remain secretive and rightly so….

LDS initiates should know what is expected of them in the temple before they attend. They have a right to know what their religion teaches about secretive rituals, why not tell them what they are going to do before???

Is it because if they did tell initiates the truth, they would go running? Most likely.

I had a friend who was raised mormon, and was married in the temple durring the time they took blood oaths ( yes, you read right – blood oaths). After she was married there, she never went back. It freaked her out and from what she told me, she had every right to go packing.

Fortunately she and her husband and beautiful children are now Christians who know that this ritual is not from God but from man.

My heart aches for the lost souls in the mormon church. May God open their eyes to the truth.

In christ,

I have never heard the story that blacks were considered to have been inferior in the pre-existence. You may be right, but I have never heard it before; I invite you to share your source, if you wish. The story I heard was that “curse of Ham” myth.

I made the comments about Young and blood atonement WRT interracial marriage because I felt it was a significant addition to your comments, particularly that a lot of the racism was started by Young, and that Joseph Smith actually ordained one black man.

And yes, I know about continuing revelation; I don’t think it is relevant. If you think that is an issue that trumps LDS historical information then none of the points you brought up matter, since none of this is LDS doctrine any more – it has been done away with by revelation.

I think past doctrine does have some significance actually, though it is also significant that the worst of these beliefs were removed a century ago, and another really discriminatory one – witholding the priesthood from blacks – ended decades ago (and no, I am not saying the Church does not do many bad things right now).

Really, I wasn’t trying to challenge your knowledge on the first point at all, though the notion the LDS church is “more evil” than most religions is simply false; that’s an argument from the Pentacostals, or Jack Chick pamphlets. Mormonism ain’t one of the best, but it sure ain’t the worst. Really they are all such multilayered organizations that you can’t make a value judgement like that.

But I do disagree with you that personal revelation is a bad thing. Mormons believe that it is actually a message from the holy spirit, not intuition, I know. But it is still a matter of going over the heads of church authorities, and in my opinion, a bit more of an act of personal responsibility than blindly accepting everything from the pulpit.

And ignoring rational thought and critical thinking? To the extent that they do that ignore it (and really you can’t tell me you know what goes on in the head of ANY person) certainly no more than any other major religion. They all involve some faith based on things which cannot be proven.

But then, a lot of things in this world, including a good deal of science, is based on theory, allegory and acceptance of things unseen.

In other words, they’re REAL MORMONS! (Gasp!)

(I live in Utah, so I know from whence I speak.)

“Certainly Church members are offended when their most sacred practices are misrepresented or presented without context or understanding.”

Forgive me if I lack any sympathy at all. These assholes are frequently spouting off about things they know nothing of (like liquor and LGBT issues) and do not bother to pay much attention to such petty niceties as sympathy, context or understanding. Funny how quickly they start whimpering when the shoe’s on the other foot. If I weren’t convinced that most of them are legally brain dead by now, I’d be wondering about the discrepancy.

“It is anger that is a sign of weakness, whereas patience is a sign of strength”

AND

People rarely get angry if they are confident in what they are doing. Anger comes more easily in moments of confusion.

Whatever.

I don’t care what religious practices the Mormons have – most of us don’t. I care about how they use their wealth to take away rights from non-Mormons. Using your religion to bully others who don’t believe is quite literally religious totalitarianism.

I know exactly what you mean. I too, would not be able to afford my house in Tampa, Florida if I had to buy it today.

I recently inherited the family house in Queens, NY that was occupied by my mother’s side of the family. My grandparents (Austrian Immigrants)bought the house from blueprints in 1941 for $9,000.

Working class folks, grandpa worked as a machine oiler in the Arden Candy Company in Long Island City, NY for $48.00 a week. Grandma stayed home as homemaker. Grandpa faithfully handed over his weekly pay envelope every Friday night to grandma, who handled all the finances in the family.

Living in a reasonably priced apartment on Prospect Avenue in the Bronx for several years after their arrival at Ellis Island, and with grandma’s prudent management, they managed to save up the money to pay cash for the house in Queens.

What American family could that today, I wonder?

“The Curse of Ham” nonsense is not a general belief. It was a popular legend, much like the rapture is today. Only, of course, it was used to justify slavery, Jim Crow laws, and lynching. Only the Mormons, though, were stupid and evil enough to make it actual theology in their church. Only they were still giving offical credence to it when the first African American president of the United States was born.

As to your claim about Brigham Young, the Mormon doctrine of continuing revelation makes it meaningless. This is an idea Joseph Smith borrowed from Mohammad: the explicit doctrine that Church leaders can change church doctrine whenever they want to. Thus, Smith’s teachings have no more authority than Young’s. I think you know enough about the faith to know that.

And to know that the actual theology of the church is every male member will eventually be the God of his own planet. One of the reasons why Mormonism is more evil than most religions is that it completely eliminates humility and replaces it with “niceness” as a primary moral value.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with a religion encouraging its adherents to listen to their hearts or follow their intuition. There is, however, something wrong with telling people to ignore rational thought. Of course, LDS teachings strain credulity so badly that leaders must demonize critical thinking.

Sucks when people actually know what they’re talking about it, doesn’t it?

And yes, we have 0.01% vacancy in my city. I think this is the only place on earth that isn’t deep in recession right now (though not untouched). I was talking to a recent Russian immigrant yesterday and gave him the bad news – that house prices have tripled in the last five years. I wouldn’t be able to afford my house if I had to buy it today.

Montreal is a cool city. I spent a lot of weekends up there in my younger days visiting with hot dude who was a bottom and later decided to become a top.

I enjoyed him both ways, until the poor devil got AIDS and joined the ranks of so many of my gay brothers. So many beautiful people. So much pain.

Growing old, as they say, is not for wimps.

They also believed in killing people for interracial marriages.

Thing is, the whole anti-black thing was started by Brigham Young. Joseph Smith actually ordained a black person (I believe this is in the “Banner of Heaven” book, but I may have picked it up on the internet.

And there is nothing wrong with the “burning in the breast” notion. Isn’t that just another term for following listening to your intuition? It’s a bit more advanced than blindly following whatever order you get from some priest. As I said in another thread, prejudices aside, there are some ways in which I feel Mormonism is far ahead of a lot of Christian churches.

Sorry charles. I think the real estate market is a bit cheaper down there than it is here right now. If you’re really interested, Montreal is fairly reasonable, and a lot of fun. Vancouver is also great, but not so cheap.

Ni ni, now.

I’m being iggied by Mommy.

Not nice either.

Drumming up business for the city morgue you work at, are ya?

Never healthier. ;-)

http://www.queerty.com/good-ri.....-20090227/

Yet, every time I bait the hook…she goes for it…

Hook, line and sinker.

Let’s face, girlfriend.

You’re easy! lol

What a waste. LOL

Drat!

Must have been something I said.

And here I thought she was enjoying herself?

“I’m so happy you’re happy”

You seem to be having fun over here yourself…

Know of a cheap apartment or house I can move into? ;-)