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Mozilla CEO Just One Of Many To Face Backlash Over Prop 8 Support

brendan-eichSo long, Brendan Eich. He was momentarily CEO at Mozilla, until his anti-marriage equality donation (and refusal to discuss it) left him unable to manage a diverse company with a diverse audience. Now that the notion that he was forced out by the “gay mafia” has been debunked, we can see the real reason he quit. Basically, he leadership-failed himself out of a job.

But Eich’s not the first antigay villain to feel the consequences of being on the wrong side of history. In the aftermath of Prop 8’s passage, lots of individuals and businesses who contributed to marriage inequality felt wrath and struggled to retain the standing they maintained before their defeat.

Is this a good thing? Influential people now may think twice about giving to initiatives intended to demean others. But it also may have a chilling effect on people’s willingness to speak their minds on unpopular causes.

Frank Schubert

Poor Frank. He’s a political strategist who bet big on banning marriage equality, and now his business prospects are looking kind of grim.

Oh, sure, he did a great job winning the Prop 8 battle back in 2008. He’s basically the architect of the modern anti-marriage-equality movement: he designed the ads, the messaging, the strategy, everything. And for a little while, it looked like he was winning.

After Prop 8, he formed a new company called Mission: Public Affairs, dedicated exclusively to battling social causes. So, how’s that going? Not great. Since 2012, he’s been losing one ballot fight after another as voters legalize the freedom to marry.

Now he’s a bit of a pariah in political circles. He backed discrimination — and what’s worse, he lost. Good luck finding clients with any money now that conservative donors are losing their appetite for antigay activism. (Of course, there are still plenty of fights to wage over nondiscrimination, so we still may not have seen the last of him.)

Oh, and did we mention that his sister’s a lesbian? Must make things a little awkward at Thanksgiving to know that he thinks her marriage is inferior to his.

El Coyote

El CoyoteThis might’ve been the messiest of the Prop 8 fusses. El Coyote is a Mexican restaurant in a middle of one of those parts of LA that you drive through on your way to someplace else. People loved the place, and freaked out when they learned that one of the owners, Marjorie Christofferson, donated $100 to Prop 8.

So the owners invited LGBTs to complementary lunch meeting to soothe tensions, but it was a disaster. Christofferson read a statement that she was sad she made people sad, and that was pretty much it.

The crowd got angry. Someone demanded that she make a donation to an organization working to repeal Prop 8. She refused. Everyone started yelling. Christofferson ran off. Organizers picketed the restaurant for a few days, then got bored and trickled away. Christofferson kept a low profile for a while, and was soon back at the restaurant.

Good work, everyone.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Mormon-ChurchIf there was ever an easy villain in the Prop 8 story, it was the Mormon Church. The organization had been working on actively harming LGBTs for decades, and so they were pros by the time Prop 8 rolled around.

After the election, Lori Jean (a longtime community organizer, and head of the LA LGBT center) stood up at a rally outside the Mormon Temple in Beverly Hills to announce that for every $5 donated to repeal Prop 8, her organization would send a postcard to Mormon officials to let them know that the money was donated in their name.

“Let’s flood the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City with postcards!” she cried. Uh, good idea, sure.

Theater Owners

For some reason, two separate theater owners got swept up in the backlash.

Rozene Supple owns a movie theater in Palm Springs, and recently it came to light that she was making lots of anti-gay donations — including to Prop 8. Palm Springs is super-gay, and the locals were all very upset. There was talk of a boycott.

A few days after the announcement, she reversed course and stopped donating to anyone who doesn’t support marriage equality. Good job!

But then there’s Alan Stock, CEO of Cinemark. He gave about $10,000 to the Prop 8 campaign, and hasn’t apologized since. There was a boycott. It didn’t really do anything.

Richard Raddon and Scott Eckern

Richard and Scott both worked in artsy communities (the LA Film Festival and the California Musical Theater, respectively). And both were Mormons.

You can probably guess where this is going: they donated to the Prop 8 campaign, their colleagues were aghast, and they quit their jobs to protect the reputation of the organizations that they worked for.

So what?

What are we to make of all this? Is it a good thing that our opponents are hounded out of a job?

Well, on one hand, yes, it’s helpful to demonstrate that opposing marriage equality is so unacceptable that people will just flat-out refuse to do business with bigots. This isn’t just an “agree to disagree” situation; it’s just flat-out unconscionable.

But on the other hand, it is really useful to our opponents when this happens. It plays right into their narrative: the gays are the intolerant ones, who won’t allow people to have different opinions. That’s nonsense, of course, but it’s also a really tempting story if you are looking for a reason to be afraid of homosexuals.

But on the OTHER other hand, what are LGBTs supposed to do when someone wants to harm us? Say, Oh, you think we’re inferior people, but we’re going to keep giving you our business because we don’t want to create the impression that we’re angry?

The fact is that everyone is free to hold morally reprehensible opinions. But expressing or acting on those opinions can have consequences. And if you’re not prepared to deal with those consequences, well, maybe your convictions aren’t as strong as you thought they were.

By:           matt baume
On:           Apr 17, 2014
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  • 43 Comments
    • Cam
      Cam

      Free speech means they can say what they want and not be arrested.

      It doesn’t mean that I can be forced to patronize their businesses.

      What the right wing wants, is for THEIR businesses to be able to discriminate (Look at all the anti gay bills either passing or being tried in places like Mississippi and Az. which allow discrimination against gays), but the SECOND that gays don’t want to shop at bigots businesses they scream “Intolerance!”

      The hypocrisy is astounding and what’s even worse, there is always some hand-wringing member of the gay community that buys in to it for a while.

      Nobody can force us to spend money going into a bigots pocket.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 7:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AxelDC
      AxelDC

      The Mormon Church finally got their come-uppance over Prop 8. They had been working against gay marriage since the mid-1990s. They swamped the gay marriage fights in Alaska and Hawaii, giving well over $1 million in direct contributions and providing over 60% of the total funding on both sides in both states. The IRS finally told them that non-profit churches were not allowed to give tax-sheltered money to political campaigns.

      They came up with a new solution: use the church membership rolls to drum up donations. Bishops would assign members amounts of money to give to antigay PACs. The Bishop would assess a member’s income based on tithing and tell him how much to give. They used Sunday church meetings to discuss political strategy in states like Arizona, Texas, Colorado, Washington and Oregon. This finally came to a head in California when it was revealed that the LDS Church was behind the Prop 8 movement, where gays finally realized what an enemy they had in the LDS Church.

      The LDS Church then switched its strategy to support NOM. Matthew Holland, son of LDS Apostle and former BYU President Jeffrey Holland, was a founding member of NOM. He was replaced on NOM’s board by Orson Scott Card. The LDS Church has been one of the two largest donors to NOM since it founding, along with the Catholic Church. They seem to have reduced their donations in coincidence with the LDS Church’s financial troubles exhibited by firing their janitors, reducing the staff at the Deseret News and their faltering City Creek Mall investment in SLC.

      Prop 8 finally exposed the LDS Church for its actively hateful attitude towards gays. Like Nixon and Watergate, it’s corruption was bound to come to light at some point.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 8:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mezaien
      Mezaien

      Good for you HOMOS! when you get them by the balls the heart and mind will follow! squeeze hard.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 9:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Mezaien:

      It’s worked, since the major backlash over Prop 8 poll numbers for marriage have jumped, and legislatively gay rights is on a winning streak. It was when we never did anything and groups like HRC told us to sit down and shut up that nothing good ever happened.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 9:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      Why aren’t Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on this list? They were both outspoken proponents for the law back in ’08, using terms like “traditional marriage” and “one man, one woman”?
      Oh wait, that’s right—they’re rabid far-left liberals, so their anti-gay-marriage statements are to be ignored. How convenient.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 10:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • petensfo
      petensfo

      I think it’s a great thing that people advocating for discrimination, those that actually went the extra step of funding it, are now feeling a serious sting.

      We can’t worry about our detractors repeating an incorrect narrative. They’re going to do that regardless. The best we can do is behave like politicians; answer any accusation with talking points that support our position. They really won’t be listening anyway.

      People can scream about free speech all they want, but that’s not going to get the gays to support a business that funds their discrimination. Well, for most of us anyway…

      PS: The Katholic Khurch Kulture is left out of this discussion. Too bad, because their hands are as dirty as those of the Mormons.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 10:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ken
      Ken

      A friend of mine did not understand why I would not eat at Chick-Fil-A. I said that Mr. Cathy is free to spend his money as he likes, but so am I. I’m not going to give him even a nickel if it ricochets off an anti-gay organization and hits me in the civil rights. Even if it is just a flesh wound.

      On another occasion, he proudly said he votes for the man, not the party, so he has voted for a couple of good Republicans over the years. I said though most Republicans are evil from the bottom of their hooves to the tips of their horns and the length of their pointy tails, I’m sure he found good ones to vote for. The problem is that if you vote for the man, you still get the party. He hadn’t thought of that.

      I’m just one man. My vote and my money might not make a difference in the world, but it makes a difference in me. It’s my integrity. Even if it is ineffectual and only symbolic, I won’t use my resources to harm anyone else; I certainly won’t use it to harm me.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 10:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @BJ McFrisky:

      BJ, see that is your problem, if you were honest, then your opinions could be chalked up to different life experience, but when you openly lie, it is obvious that you simply have your usual agenda which is to defend right wing bigots and anti-gay bigotry any chance you get.

      Both Clinton and Obama specifically stated that they did not support Prop 8.

      But see BJ, unlike you, I provide links. You know why I do that? Because unlike you, I’m not lying. Here is a link that Candidate Obama sent to a club in Washington DC, you will especially take note of the line. “And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states.”

      http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6307

      See BJ, if you have to lie to make your point, then your point is obviously as false as you are. But at least you can always be relied upon to support right wing anti-gay bigotry wherever you can.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 10:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • petensfo
      petensfo

      @BJ McFrisky: the distinction here is that they were not funding discrimination by advocating laws restricting the Civil Rights of another. Did you really miss that, or are you more likely just attempting to be a provocative troll?

      Apr 17, 2014 at 10:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ken
      Ken

      @BJ McFrisky: Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are not on the list because they repented and sinned no more, and they went beyond that making restitution through their subsequent actions. They can teach others to change through their fist-hand experience.

      The others are on the list because they never changed, they never apologized, they never worked to undo the damage they created.

      A 180° turn is the same as going the right way in the first place, plus you learn how to turn things around.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 11:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ken
      Ken

      @AxelDC: My impression is that the LDS Church funds everything the way they funded Proposition 8. If a church needs a new roof, they divide the cost by the number of members and assess them. Also, it’s not official, but in practice, whatever whatever leaves the bishop’s mouth as a suggestion enters the people’s ears as a commandment. In the backlash after Proposition 8, they decided not to “suggest” that people oppose marriage. In fact, a Mormon who openly supports marriage can still get a Temple Recommend. It’s not on the bishop’s list of questions.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 11:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @Ken: Seriously, Ken? So, if Dan Cathy says “Sorry guys,” then you’d suddenly love Chick-fil-A? Would he be absolved of his “sins” (your word) as you have absolved Obama and Clinton for having the same change of heart? Um, I think you and I are both smart enough not to believe that.

      @petensfo: Obama and Clinton absolutely were advocating against gay marriage in 2008, which they flip-flopped on when they realized they’d lose the gay vote—did YOU miss THAT?

      @Cam: Ssshhh, Cammy. It’s grown-up time.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 11:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • xzall
      xzall

      @BJ McFrisky: If Cathy did the equivalent of what Obama has done–overturn DADT, expanded benefits to same sex employees, prohibited hospitals receiving medicare/medicaid from discriminating for LGBT visitation, sign on tho the Matthew Shepard hate crime bill, expanded health and insurance benefits to federal same sex partners and not only say he supported marriage equality but stopped the defense of DOMA then I’m sure maybe some in the LGBT would consider Cathy has turned it around.

      But no, simply saying you’re going to shut up now because you need to send your chicken in more liberal places like NYC is not going to cut it as a turn around statement.

      And Obama was never on the same level as these guys ever. He might not have been for marriage but he was for Civil Union. in addition, he was on record for not supporting Prop 8. Here’s his quote back in 2008:

      Obama reiterated his opposition to Proposition 8, the California ballot measure which would eliminate a right to same-sex marriage that the state’s Supreme Court recently recognized.
      “I’ve stated my opposition to this. I think it’s unnecessary,” Obama told MTV. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that’s not what America’s about.”

      So in other words you’re really, really full of it and maybe you’re not the one ready for grown up time.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @BJ McFrisky:

      BJ, I pointed out that you lied, and you can’t respond. Additionally I pointed out that you always support those who are anti-gay and bigots.

      Thank you for not attempting to dispute.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 12:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Ken:

      said… In fact, a Mormon who openly supports marriage can still get a Temple Recommend. It’s not on the bishop’s list of questions.

      _________________

      Nope, they’re still asking, remember the leaders are all in their 80’s and 90’s and they have doubled down on bigotry.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 12:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      Barack Obama, 2008: “I am not in favor of gay marriage.”
      Barack Obama, 2012: “I do not believe America should be in the business of telling people who are in love that they cannot marry.”

      What if Brendan Eich follows the same manipulative “I’m so much smarter than you that you must have misunderstood me” path that Obama did and caves on his opinion? Will he then receive the same worship that Obama did subsequent to his infamous flip-flop?
      The answer is: Of course not.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TerrenM
      TerrenM

      Let’s call Shepard Smith OUT on FOX. They BASH us 24/7. 365. He has well. I’ll provide links. Why do we have a self hating homophobe that bashes me, my boyfriend and the intelligence of my parents? For all you that say….’Boo hoo. It’s his privacy’. FUCK THAT. Have you seen how much he makes a year AND still bashes gay couples while he cuddles with his own.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TerrenM
      TerrenM

      This guy is TWO WEEKS AGO! Shepard Smith (while spews HATE towards gay marriage every day making $ten million) should be THE focus! He’s lied. DENIED it. COWARD!

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • xzall
      xzall

      @BJ McFrisky: @BJ McFrisky: @BJ McFrisky: Lots of nonsensical what ifs considering you COMPLETELY IGNORED that Obama didn’t just use Words to say he changed. He acted. That’s what it takes to believe anyone has changed–ACTION. .

      You mistake appreciation when someone finally does the right thing for ‘worship.’ That’s something Eich could have done at any time and people would probably have appreciated it. However, despite the numerous chances and private conversations he had he refused to answer when asked about his current, not his past, position on marriage equality and gay rights in general. He refused to say whether he would donate to Prop 8 again and refused to acknowledge the pain Prop 8 caused for people.

      His lack of empathy, plus other things like his views on human rights issues, unhappy employees and the fact Mozilla is a non profit supported by lots of tech volunteers who were threatening to walk is what caused him to lose his CEO job. Mozilla made a business decision but it’s funny and typical that conservatives only support the idea of businesses right to hire and fire at will when it’s happening to someone else. True hypocrites.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • YouGoGurl
      YouGoGurl

      @Cam: @BJ McFrisky: Why ask a question if you are going to answer it yourself?

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @xzall: Jinkies, Shaggy! You and Scooby figured out EVERTHING!

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @YouGoGurl:

      Please elaborate

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @BJ McFrisky:

      BJ, I pointed out quite clearly that Obama specifically spoke out AGAINST Prop 8. The fact that you keep trying to say he is the same as this person underlines quite clearly my comment that you will ALWAYS default to supporting the anti-gay bigots.

      You know, I bet Vladimire Putin has a fundraiser somewhere perhaps you could raise some money for him.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 1:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mezaien
      Mezaien

      @Cam: Hoi babe, as a white African, American, I was with Nelson Mandela, activist and total “Radical Liberal” man I could never dream of what our “the HOMOS power” can do.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MCHG
      MCHG

      what a bunch of militant armchair activists some people here are. first of all, why did this turn into a discussion about Sheppard Smith. Smith does not bash gays on Fox, he notoriously landed in hot water with the company for voicing his disgust of the chick fil a day nonsense. and no, you don’t get to violate someone’s privacy because you think that they disagree with you or their employer is an asshole. but I’m glad Shep’s outing happened, because it proved that outside of the militant wing of the gay community, people do not give a shit, or are disgusted by outings. as for eich and the lot of them, I don’t think anyone should lose their job for their political views. I don’t even know why those donations are even made public. if gays become as thin skinned as conservatives when it comes to how people spend their time and money, we’ll start driving away allies that we need. when you live in America, you sort of accept the fact that powerful people will disagree with you politically, because the alternative is living in places like China and Russia where opposing public opinion becomes an increasingly dangerous thing.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 5:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • grayzip
      grayzip

      It’s important to view such responses to Proposition 8 support as what they are: Skirmishes in a real-world war. Proposition 8 supporters wielded brute political force to tear LGBT families apart. It is a-okay to be angry at people who did that to us, but mainly it is essential that we make sure they are never in a position to do it again. Depriving Prop 8 donors of the ability to make money TO donate may seem extreme to some, but ask the same people if they would press charges against someone who broke into their home.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 5:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • corey
      corey

      What I would like to have the opportunity to do in my life time is own so e little business and refuse selling any goods or offering services to anyone obnoxious to be wearing a cross on the outside of their clothing, exposing everyone. But I can’t, because they fought really hard to be able to be legally protected from people discriminating against them. What’s humorous is that Christians had to get protections from each other so they’d stop lunching each other. Sounds like what the Christians in this country created even more of in the Middle East. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time and kill off any liberal with power. Because of them, Christians were allowed to destroy the world and continue to do so, but they are protected legally, so I could never refuse to sell then a book or a bagel even if they hand me anti-gay material, picket my business once they found out I was gay, and try to find a way for the city to shut me down. So, where’s that Dr. Who when you need him?

      Apr 17, 2014 at 6:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tjr101
      tjr101

      Yes, we can always count on Blow Job McFrisky to lie and distort in order to advance the right-wing agenda. Facts mean nothing to him.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 7:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • loren_1955
      loren_1955

      Sadly, we kid ourselves to think that the Mormon church and it’s treacheries have gone away. A year ago, Dallin Oakes, senior apostle, publicly stated that he felt gay marriage over time was a given. Therefore the Mormon church was diverting it’s resources to state legislatures to create laws to protect religions from discrimination, i.e. anti-gay laws allowing businesses to discriminate against gays for religious reasons. Coincidently, we are seeing states across the country working towards creating such laws. We fool ourselves to think that the Mormon machinery of hatred and bigotry was simply put to rest, no simply diverted to similar causes and they have the means to do it.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 9:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Clark
      Clark

      So, just to be clear here, the very people that scream, yell, march and demand ‘tolerance’ and ‘acceptance’ are themselves denying the right to believe differently? Queers do such a great disservice when they make such demands on people, companies, etc.
      Grow a pair – not everyone will like you, not everyone will agree with you, not everyone cares about you. It’s the way of the world. Perhaps if you just lived a life, and stopped trying to shove your ‘tolerance’ down everyone’s throat (ha!) you’d gain a bit more respect.
      And, for the record, I’m saying ‘you’ because I’m too embarrassed to be among a group of intolerant bigots. I’m a proud gay guy that lives in reality, loves who I want and doesn’t really give a rip about who likes/dislikes me. Maybe some self-confidence and less whining would give the gay community a little more respect.
      Try spreading some of that tolerance and acceptance around instead of hogging it for yourselves.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 10:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DK
      DK

      No matter how many times Republicans’ lame bait-and-switch tactics fail, they just keep trying. I don’t know whether they’ve just run out of ideas or are plain dumb (both?) but they just can’t figure out that nobody is falling for their silly “your refusal to put up with my attempt to deny you freedom and equality makes you intolerant” argument.

      Clark is the type of person who would have called Martin Luther King intolerant for opposing Jim Crow. People can still “believe” whatever they want — and Clark knows this. He just thinks the rest of us are not smart enough to know the difference between “belief” and “action.” When your belief that gays are inferior turns into action to deny gays civil rights, we will oppose you furiously. And unapologetically. And guess what — we’re winning.

      Hey Clark, why don’t you “grow and pair” and stop whining and crying because gays are going to join you in licking the boots of your homophobic bigoted Republican buddies?

      Apr 17, 2014 at 11:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DK
      DK

      @MCHG: And a whiny, lazy, phony house gay you are proferring arguments like that. Those who demand respect get it — you don’t get respect by playing nicey-nice with people who want to deny you equal rights.

      In America, opposing the right of people to live their lives freely will receive blowback — rightfully so. The problem with house gays is that they see their conservative masters attempts to strip gays of equality as a benign difference of opinion.

      Slaves didn’t have a mere difference of political opinion with the Southerners who thought they didn’t deserve freedom. And gays don’t have to and should not respect the opinions of people like Brendan Eich, who helped fund a campaign to destroy gay families while comparing gays to pedophiles and worse. But when you have no self-respect, like gay Republicans, you weep for guys like Brendan Eich and scold those who are moving the gay community forward.

      Gay conservatives are useless and should be laughed at.

      Apr 17, 2014 at 11:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DK
      DK

      @BJ McFrisky: The problem that gay Republicans like BJ McFrisky has is the same problem that the entire Republican Party faces: they have no answers for the modern world. They cannot accept that America has finally woken up to the lot of backwards trash that is their twisted, selfish, me-first-and-always worldview and they have no ideas. On top of this, Teathuglicans are completely impervious to facts. So they are reduced to repeating the same tired mantras, like broken records, facts be damned — not realizing nobody cares until they once again lose an election. (In 2016 this will be “Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!)

      Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed Prop 8.
      Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed Prop 8.
      Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed Prop 8.

      This is a simple fact. You could repeat it 1,000 times but because self-loathing Republican house gays cannot refute it, they will instead ignore it, and try to change the subject to the Democratic position of gay marriage years ago, and hope you don’t notice. Carrying water for his Republican slavers, he will insist that you should be ignore the *fact* that both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton have changed their minds on the subject and offered full throated endorsements of gay equality.

      Had Brendan Eich done this, he’d still have a job. He didn’t. Conservanuts will not acknowledge this, and will insist you should be more concerned with what Obama and Hillary used to do than what Republicans are still doing, which is still attempting to deny freedom and equality to Americans.

      The hallmark of the Republican Party is an inability to deal with current realities. Everyone should be aware of the past, but the problem is gay Republicans live there and never come out of it. It borders on mental disorder.

      This is what Stockholm Syndrome does to a gay man. You spend all your time trying to defend and support homophobes. So pathetic.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 12:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SteveDenver
      SteveDenver

      In many states one can lose a job, apartment, promotion, child custody, and much more, simply for being gay or lesbian, or for supporting equal rights for gays and lesbians.

      Perhaps I should feel sad that these people exercised their free speech and paid for it, but I don’t.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 12:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MCHG
      MCHG

      @DK: no ones asking you to play nicey nicey with Eich or respect his opinions, we’re asking you to not turn this into a country where employment depends on political opinion. of it can be done to conservatives it can be done to gays. also, you’re hatred of republican gays is troubling considering Andrew Sullivan was instrumental in the gay marriage movement, and he’s a conservative. homosexuality is but a tiny portion of the political issues being debated in the public forum, there’s more to being a republican than being anti gay and not ask republicans are agri gay. in fact the majority of millennial republicans are pro gay rights.I can’t wait til they take over, I’d love to see liberals try to shave gay republicanswhen both parties welcome them with open arms. the only key difference between gay liberals and gay republicans is that the republicans don’t jump to knee jerk lynch mob formation when things don’t go their way. also, the slavery reference is tiring. watching your own race subjected to unimaginable punishment and not lifting a finger is not akin to saying some geeky ceo should keep his job for donating to a cause that didn’t even succeed. I’m tired of gays trying to piggy back on the African American experience. we need something similar to Godwins Law but for slavery ever time some tactless queen brings the subject up.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 2:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DK
      DK

      @MCHG: As I’m a descendant of slaves, I know inequality and lack of freedom when I see it. Sorry, but I’m going to continue to call it like I see it and I’m not going to genuflect to house gays who continue to make excuses for being party to a band of unrepentant homophobes. When these supposedly pro-gay Republicans take over, then I will stop. Right now, what’s the excuse for propping up a party with gay inequality written into its platform.

      I’ve already pointed out that these house gays live permanently in the past, but I was wrong: some of them apparently live in the distant future. But the point of it is the same: a schizophrenic inability to deal with reality as it is right now. I’m not very much interested in what the Democratic position on gay rights used to be, nor interested in what the Republican position might be in the future. Let’s talk about what’s going on right now. Of course, Log Cabin Teathuglicans don’t want to do that because then they’d have to face their internalized homophobia and underdeveloped sense of self.

      I’m tired of clueless, useless, know-nothing bedwetting queers trying to minimize the gay experience. We do need a corollary to Godwins Law for slavery every time the comparison hits too close to home for cowardly conservagays serving their bigoted masters.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 3:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • erikwm
      erikwm

      BJ McFrisky is a liar. You don’t debate liars.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 3:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • erikwm
      erikwm

      @MCHG: There is a difference between employment and leadership. Eich was the CEO. He was to lead the company, but his employees were unwilling to follow. Hence, he had to go.

      That’s pretty simple, no? You can’t lead if others unwilling to follow.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 4:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Clark
      Clark

      Wow DK…you sure are smart…you know so much, yet so little about me.
      And your over generalizations just show flashes of your brilliance that I’m certain many overlook. Keep talking though….you do nothing but defeat your own argument.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 7:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Clark
      Clark

      @DK I have read and re-read my original post and still don’t see any mention of republican or democrat …perhaps you need to get yourself some therapy for delusions….or do your insecurities just haunt you so much you make things up as a defense?

      Apr 18, 2014 at 7:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @DK: Hopefully one day you’ll realize there’s more to life than being a professional victim.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 9:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • xzall
      xzall

      @BJ McFrisky: As the one currently crying and boo hooing on here about poor widdle Brandon Eich losing his job, you’re the resident expert on being a professional victim. You’ve anointed Brandan Eich as your own professional victim. The millionaire white man you get to cry yourself to sleep over that he lost his job through his own deficiencies of leadership.

      But instead of treating him like an adult who’s responsible for his own words, his own decisions and made his own bed that he has to lie in, instead you slobber all over him like the professional victim licker that you are.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 1:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DK
      DK

      @BJ McFrisky: More projection from a pathological liar. Xzall hit the nail on the hear: you’re the one whining and crying day in and day on article after article because you can’t accept the fact bigoted right-wing plantation owners are losing.

      I’ll keep winning while the Eich apologists of the world keep losing. Perhaps before the next election you’ll finally deal with your Stockholm Syndrome and self-loathing, and stop polishing the knobs of the Teathuglican bigots for whom you and the other house gays cannot stop prostituting yourselves.

      Apr 18, 2014 at 2:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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