Right about now North Carolina State Senator Peter Brunstetter—the author of the proposed Amendment 1—is probably wishing his wife paid a little more attention to the “willful submission” part of the Bible. According to reporter Chad Nance, Mrs. Brunstetter (right, with the Senator) said her husband drafted the marriage-equality ban “to protect the Caucasian race.” Nance, a freelance journalist and former volunteer for Democratic candidate Matt Newton, spoke with an African-American poll worker who said he overheard Mrs. Brunstetter make the remark at an early-voting station in Winston-Salem.
The initial conversation was not recorded, but Nance paraphrased the worker, “Michael,” thusly:
“During the conversation, Brunstetter said her husband was the architect of Amendment 1, and one of the reasons he wrote it was to protect the Caucasian race. She said Caucasians or whites created this country. ‘We wrote the Constitution. This is about protecting the Constitution. There already is a law on the books against same-sex marriage, but this protects the Constitution from activist judges.'”
Nance went to Lady Brunstetter to corroborate the allegation, and this time he videotaped their conversation—and got a friend to stand witness:
Nance: You didn’t tell that one lady that [Amendment 1] was to preserve the Caucasian race because they were becoming a minority?
Mrs Brunsetter: No.
Nance: She’s lying?
Brunsetter: No. It’s just that same sex marriages are not having children.
Nance: But you didn’t say anything about Caucasians, white people… preserving them, [and] that’s why it was written?
Brunsetter: No I’m afraid they have made it a racial issue when it is not.
Nance: She didn’t say it was a racial issue. She said that you had said that part of the reason it had been sponsored and written was to preserve the white race. (a moment later) … you didn’t say anything about Caucasians?
Brunsetter: I probably said the word.
Nance: You didn’t tell her anything about Caucasians? (Silence) I want you to clear it up if you could.
Brunsetter: Right now I am a little confused myself because there has been confusion here today about this amendment where it is very simple. The opponents are saying things that are not true and there has been a lot of conversation back and forth. Right now I have some heat stroke going on. Um there has been lots of confusion.
Nance: Did you say anything about Caucasians?
Brunsetter: If I did it wasn’t anything race-related.
We’d like to try and figure out how you can use the term Caucasian and not be discussing race, but we have heat stroke. Maybe you can take a stab at it in the comments?
Source: Yes Weekly via Pam’s House Blend. Photo: Facebook
(apparently) Gay is the new Jew
Heil Brunstetter!
Andy
The moral of the story is that it’s okay to pass laws against LGBT; you’ll be taken seriously. But to even mention race, well, that’s being a bigot!
Cam
This is what people who try to separate all these issues are starting to realize.
Bigots are bigots. If you think that they love you because they are busy attacking gays, nope, they hate you just as much, gays are just the easier target right now.
mc
In this woman’s way of thinking if you ban gays from marriage, then all those gay white men who otherwise would engage in sex that doesn’t connect the sperm and the egg, would then be forced into fake marriages and be able to have sex for procreation. This sex for procreation would then go on to perpetuate the white race which she believes in grave danger of disappearing.
I believe they would have made exceptions in the amendment, like it’s OK for all gay men of color to get married, but she probably thought that might make them seem racist.
till the world endst
@Andy: amen!
Chris
And the bigots want us to turn on each other. Ladies and gentlemen, we minorities have a common enemy: those who stand to deny equality and justice for all. Let us keep our eyes on the prize- equitable treatment under the law.
Boricuaex
You know, it’s a shame that as a member of her state’s political elite she feels threatened by something that has no impact on her whatsoever.
Jorval
Maybe Justin Lance Black can come out and say how the Senator is up in the air about things….
Hyhybt
@Cam: It’s not so much that everyone who has one sort has the others. But the ROOT is the same: different = worse. So it’s no surprise that there are overlaps.
magsmagenta
What that shows is how illogical these people are, for a start whether gay marriage is allowed or not affects all races, not just whites.
If the aim of preventing gay marriage is to force gay people to marry opposite sex instead of the same sex in order to have children that just isn’t going to work, sexuality just doesn’t work that way. Gay people will just continue to live together without being married or just live alone.
Maybe they should fund gay whites in surrogacy and artificial insemination attempts if that’s really what they want.
And @Andy is absolutely right.
likiy
somebody’s getting a beat down today
Hyhybt
@magsmagenta: You’re expecting racists to be rational. That is, in itself, irrational.
Brad Grady
ALL I CAN SAY.. IS.. THIS AMENDMENT.. is NARROW MINDED in nature, BIGOTED, almost FASCIST.. in.. sending the MESSAGE (indirectly) THAT.. IF you are NOT.. among THE CHOSEN, APPROVED .. class of people.. You are NOT deserving of BASIC.. HUMAN RIGHTS .. as those that are.. APPROVED OF.. ARE!
DartagnonP
IGNORANCE is BLISS! It is people like this who DOOM the Human Race. MANY people are well aware that Mother Nature reserves homosexuality as a LAST resort to save a species when it is threatening to overpopulate itself. When they overpopulate to the point of riot, and people are killed, it makes sense to Mother Nature to wipe out the species … totally. So by picking on gay people the “Brunstetter people” are, in fact, dooming the entire Human Race to extinction IF there were enough people of like ignorance, but there are not, Thank God!
The simple solution is for the heteros to only make one of each of themselves so that when they pass there is someone to rep for them, BUT even this is too many people as we are already overpopulated.
Fortunately, or not, 2012 is here and should provide some fireworks by April of 2013 … yeah … a bit late but perhaps things will pick up sooner. The rumors that the 10th planet in our solar system, it only comes through once every 2600 years, is due to pass on its way OUT of our solar system right around April 2013. Nibiru is 5 times greater than Earth and, according to Physics, when a larger heavenly body approaches a smaller heavenly body the smaller will shudder and shake. For us this means we may be able to expect 16.0 Earthquakes, Winds well in excess of 200 mph, and MORE than tidal waves and tsunamis, but entire oceans moving across land as the planet is jostled and bumped by all the gravitational pulling and tugging as Nibiru passes between Mars and Jupiter.
It will be interesting to see if gay people continue to be born AFTER we lose 80% of the population between 2013 and 2015. But, if gay people CONTINUE to be born it will be a testament to God, not man, and it will say that “Gay people are God’s creatures just like everyone else down here … so why do the Brunstetters feel they are above gay people and can break the laws of the Bible (Matt7:1-5) and speak out against people who have been sent by God to SAVE the Human Race. Isn’t there something about “False Prophets” in the Last Days? The Brunstetters seem to fit that well, but I am not one to judge as only The Creator of Love and All of Us can make that decision.
It’s odd how when Christians do not get their way or they IMAGINE something to be real, or a threat, or something about which they know NOTHING, they INVENT “Words from God”. Which is also against the Word in the Bible. God, Jesus Christ, nor the Holy Spirit, have EVER said that one of their Creations was a MISTAKE, as the Christians assert vehemently. Jesus always taught, LOVE Your Neighbor, and He didn’t say “But NOT if they are GAY!” because the term did not even exist until the late 1800’s and it was the Council of Trent in the 1500’s that declared that Darwinians and Gays were “against God’s Will”. But I welcome the Brunstetters or others of similar ilk to contact me and show me the passages in the Bible that THEY THINK speak against gay people and I will simply define each word so that the TRUE meaning is better understood and I welcome anyone to take this to a linguist and prove me wrong. PLUS, too many people today, most likely always, have been mis-interpreting Leviticus and many simply create their own interpretation or spout the teachings of their pastor.
The TRUTH is that gay people are our friends and here to enjoy life, just like the rest of us. Pyscological studies from the 1970’s proved that gay people are 20% smarter, thus we see many famous gay people in history who displayed a bit of smarts, such as Napoleon and Alexander III the Great, and hundreds more including Greek scholars, athletes, and people of ALL walks of life. Many gay people settle down and adopt children and have families just like everyone else, and, in fact, take in the children that the heteros have abandoned or left behind.
When it comes to gay people, the heteros simply make evaluations from the twisted logic received from other homophobic people in fear of discovering something new for themselves, and then they worry that just SEEING a gay guy is going to make THEM gay! Boorish or what? Ignorance is not always bliss I guess. Look at the Brunstetters and the Hell they have created for themselves, not only here on Earth but wait until judgment day and they have to account for all of this bigotry and hatred. Tsk … tsk … would not like to be them at that time … for sure!
But we can only pray for these people and hope that one day they too will See The Light and learn to follow in Jesus’ footsteps!
I AM
Dartagnon
Pastor
Fontanetum et Lucem Universal Church of Whitewater
Bidding you all … “G’Day”
Andy
@Chris: Please inform the vast majority of blacks who are against gay rights. Not all blacks are against LGBT, but for those that are, it’s one-way only. Any LGBT against interracial marriage?
JON
He’s only white on the outside. He’s a brown steaming pile on the inside.
darkmoonman`
@Cam: I tried decades ago to bring it to folks attention that a bigot generally hates, and will attack, anyone who isn’t 100% like him.
Jim Canter
You can’t fix STUPID (“If I said ‘Caucasian’ it wasn’t race related”), however you must defend yourself! That requires vigilance and activism.
(apparently) Gay is the new Jew
@Jim Canter:
Can’t you? I’d like the Brunstetter couple to undergo lobotomy, please. Just to see if it’ll help.
I think it’s great that this is exposed. People need to see bigots like these for who they really are. I wonder if now he’ll use the “I was joking” excuse like that NC pastor.
James M. Martin
This is simply incredible. You are telling us that this man equates homosexuality with mostly white people who should seek at all times to outdo the populating of the earth by other races so that God’s chosen race will always be in the majority, the others, combined, nipping at their heels. This is just possibly the most racist comment I have read in my almost 70 years on this planet. Shame on him! Now, does it seem to you that all those Hispanics are so prolific they think tacos for the new racial majority will replace hamburgers within a couple of generations?
Interesting
Actually the moral of the story is that the entire point of the anti-gay movement is to restore a certain class of people to power, just as the NAACP leader, who is running ads in NC stated. That the entire point is divide and conquer.
That point of history is not a black or white thing. Its a human thing. People always think bigotry is not going to touch them until it does.
Civil rights leaders of all colors and sexual orientation realize this. Bigots of all colors and sexual orientation do not.
Interesting
By the way, the divide and conquer wouldn’t quite be so easy if white gay groups had not spent most of the last few decades trying to prevent money from being spent on educating the black community about gay issues. Just like any other group, if you don’t contest beliefs, if you aren’t on the ground to influence beliefs, you aren’t going to end up winning. The time to fight things like Amendment 1 is not just now, but even if you lose, to continue to spend money and time. It may take years, but that’s the reality of such movements. The black civil rights that everyone loves to use as an example actually got its start back in the 1910 by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund which did not see any real reform for decades. gay rights by comparison is doing well, even if it is still to slow by what needs to happen. We just got to keep fighting for it, even if its not easy. for instance, I sent ou tto all my family an email about the NAACP’s effort in NC. It was the first collaboration that I could use and I am hoping to be able to see more, including from white gay groups for black related civil rights efforts. The more this can be seen as mutual, the more we can fight the bigotry going either way.
sam
This is NORTH CAROLINA,,,,,,,, BIBLE THUMPING, TWO FACED, RED NECKS,,,, …
Who elects these idiots??
North Carolina State Senator Peter Brunstetter.
The voters,,,,, elects them.
AND,
They are proud of these idiots.
I perdict he will be a US SENATOR.
remember, HELMS,,,, a lifer in Washington US Senator…
The citizens LOVE THESE IDIOTS HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA.
Look at JOHN EDWARDS,,,, HE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE,,, OF the type they love in NORTH CAROLINA.
Sam.
steve
@Andy: I think interracial marriage is an abomination
Danny
Well if they aren’t going to uphold human rights, no reason for anyone else to uphold any human rights in the region. Let everyone share in a crappy region where human rights are no longer upheld by anyone. They want to write you out of the constitution AND they want you to continue upholding the rule of law. The two things don’t go together.
CBRad
@sam: Remember when Fat Pam Spaulding thought she could make herself a famous lesbian princess by becoming a blogger for John Edwards’ campaign and inviting that man-hating foul-mouthed lying feminist Amanda Marcotte to Durham, NC, to join her ? That whole mess flopped, first for Marcotte, later for Edwards, but it certainly was another bumbling chapter for the vicious NC set.
CBRad
@Interesting: The gays of North Carolina already joined with blacks (including homophobe Victoria Peterson and the homophobic New Black Panther Party, who singled out the half-Jewish falsely-accused Seligmann) when they were screeching to burn down the Duke lacrosse house and holding “Castrate” signs, and we certainly have photographic and YouTube proof of that. That’s how deeply the hatred of white heterosexual Northern males runs in the minds of NC gays, that they would even join with black homophobes to “get” those “evil straight white athletes”. So NC gays deserve nothing, and certainly not marriage.
Hyhybt
@CBRad: Here, I believe this may help you.
http://museumtrail.com/images/SaguacheCounty/GrindingWheel.jpg
CBRad's Mother
@ CBRad…
Sweetie, I know you’re still mad at me and, unfortunately, I guess that is why you became a very angry-bottom because I took my vibrator away from you when you were in Junior High School, but please don’t take it out on the good GLBT folks here. By the way, your father is not really your father — Al Sharpton is.
Love,
MOM
Raziel
seriously, why are these people allowed to walk freely without the strict kind of supervision required of the such obviously insane. i really am not joking here. this kind of “acceptable contrary opinion” and professional hate-oriented power broker behavior has got to be stopped… where the hell is the “freedom” i was taught was awaiting me as an adult american citizen?
Belize
@Jorval: “Maybe Justin Lance Black can come out and say how the Senator is up in the air about things….”
Maybe you can learn [D]ustin Lance Black’s correct name first before you start making yourself look like an idiot.
sam
@steve:
You should GO AND JOIN THE “KKK”,,, YOU would be at home there.
delurker
Damn. Homocons like JayKay and CBRad will now vote in favor of the ban because it promotes white supremacy.:/
delurker
@CBRad: How’s that white victimhood thing working out for ya?
Interesting
Bigots of all stripes try to use divide and conquer tactics. The only way to solve the problem is to call them on their shit,a nd move. Folks like Cbrad can not respond to the actions of what the NAACP is doing in NC because it doesn’t fit their bigotry. I expect no less than the changing of the subject. Its all he has a response.
There is a lot of work to be done in addressing homophobia in the black community just like there is in every other community. That work has been ignored for a long time allowing the homophobic leaders of anti gay movements to move in to control the message. Thankfully, some black organizations are starting to fight back despite CBRads attempt to change the subject.
Indeed, CBRad has more in common with the homophobic divide and conquer bigots than he thinks. At the end of the day however, for most people its a matter of education, debate and convincing over time rather than hard core beliefs. Just like anything it will take educated and reminder that this is not new, as discussed in the NAACP’s press release today:
“NC NAACP Statement on Alleged Comments Made Earlier Today by Supporter of Discriminatory Amendment One and the Cynical Puzzle of Race-Based Political Agendas and Money Behind Amendment One”
Organizations like this are the worst nightmare of hardcore bigots
CBRad
LOL. And you just try to insult me. Not one of you can answer to the topic and to what you did. But the books have been written, the event won’t be forgotten, and hopefully NC gays will get just what they deserve with this guy and his ilk (including Durham’s own Bishop Eddie Long). You can’t behave like you did and then expect to be treated like any other deserving citizen (like in New Hampshire, Vermont, Iowa..)
CBRad
@delurker: How’s your heroine Crystal M. doing today ?
Interesting
CBRAd
Insult implies that you are the point of the discussion rather than just a tool to discuss what matters. I don’t expect you to get the point at all. You will babble in every article no matter what is said just as you are now. Its like expecting a rock to change from being a rock- I don’t expect that, but you do serve a purpose. you illustrate why its so hard to obtain discourse between blacks and whites, and gays and straights- that folks like you exist is one of the big reasons. For that I got to thank you. Its often hard to illustrate the difference in messaging between bigots and non bigots. The NAACP is an organization trying to deal with bigotry from all quarters. They take the challenge to mean all bigotry, racism, homophobia, etc must be address. Whereas in the hands of a bigot, incidents become an excuse to argue that whatever prejudice that they have should consider. An anti black person will rant “see this proves I am right about race.’ And anti gay person will rant “see this means I am right about gay people.” In short, you are acting just a s one expects you to act, and it makes it easier for those looking for a different path to understand you aren’t it.
CBRad
@Interesting: But you’re acting like anyone in NC, either clowny Brunstetter or the clowny NC NAACP, has any significance to anybody outside of the clowny state. They don’t, they blew all their credibility. Stop trying to make something significant (only significant in your own head) out of anything there.
CBRad
@Interesting: P.S. Another one : look up what Duke professor Frank Lombard was convicted of doing to his 5-year-old adopted black son. The NC gay clique and the NC NAACP sure hid from that one, didn’t you ?
Rockery
@Andy:
Make sure you speak to the vast majority of whites who are anti LGBT and also speak to the people in the LGBT communities who participate in racial stereotyping like yourself. What you are trying to point out is exactly what you are doing you are being racist and generalizing with no facts, and alienting and negating black people who are gay (as if its “blacks” vs “gays”)
The worst part is that you don’t even see what you are doing, not only are you racist but you are opposing part of the gay community (yes there are black gays)
Interesting
As a result of the NAACP’s influence the percentage of black people in the state of NC who are against Amendment 1 is greater than the percentage of white people.
In fact, the trend lines are that those numbers against are increasing.
If we had enough time who knows what would have happened.
The lesson here is that people like you are what is harming the gay rights movement. Not organizations like the NAACP.
villa viper
If they are really worried about white folks they better start worrying about inter-racial dating rather than the gays!!
Hyhybt
@villa viper: Well, again, if they were rational then they wouldn’t be racist in the first place.
Or anti-gay, for that matter.
B
QUEERTY: “We’d like to try and figure out how you can use the term Caucasian and not be discussing race, but we have heat stroke. Maybe you can take a stab at it in the comments?”
Easy – heat stroke refers to a medical condition in which body temperature becomes dangerously high and symptoms include strange behavior, hallucinations, confusion, and disorientation, among others ( http://www.medicinenet.com/heat_stroke/article.htm#tocb ).
The catch – it is a serious condition that needs medical treatment. Call her again and ask her if her comments were due to heat stroke and she didn’t get medical attention, why is she still alive. The general instructions (see the URL above) include calling 911 immediately. It is not a condition that should be treated by amateurs.
villa viper
@Hyhybt: There are plenty of people who are rational and are not comfortable with homosexuality. I am a gay man and I am very clear that our culture is extremely poisonous, shallow and generally un-healthy. Many Christians are also aware of this and are justified in their fear.
I also feel it is absolutely reasonable for Whites, Blacks, Latinos and Asians etc.. to want to maintain their culture/race and not want to mix with (usually) whites. What saddens me is that many GLBT people have walked so far away from conformity that keeping anything remotely traditional intact becomes a problem. This is sad and a great loss 🙁
Hyhybt
@villa viper: Some aspects of *some subcultures* are “poisonous, shallow, and generally unhealthy.” You (at least should) know that has nothing to do with homosexuality per se.
Nobody is rational about everything. To the degree that someone sees people as being less because of their racial background, or orientation, or any number of other things, that person is being irrational.
villa viper
@Hyhybt: I don’t agree with you. Gay men and the sub-culture in general is unusually youth and sex obsessed. Anyone who has ever been to a large city Gay Pride event will see the ridiculousness display of unrealistic male bodies that don’t in any way reflect reality. On some level heterosexual see this and understand it is a dysfunction.
Not to mention gay male culture in the US is also obsessed with white people, specifically pretty white men. Both Brown, Black and White men are preoccupied with the fantasy of White Supremacy. So Sad 🙁
Who in their right mind would look on this dysfunction of the mind and spirit and feel comfortable with it?
Hyhybt
@villa viper: Who in their right mind would lump all gay people together like that, as if we’re all the same?
magsmagenta
@Hyhybt: No, just pointing out how this demonstrates how irrational they really are 🙂
magsmagenta
@villa viper: What a load of bollocks, as if it’s ever going to be desirable to try and control who falls in love with who, or try to plan a breeding programme for humans. It’s been tried and it always ends in misery.
Dartagnon Puissant
I’ve stumbled into a planter box full of crazies, OMG! Note to self : Be HAPPY that you live in California and don’t ever WANDER !
villa viper
@magsmagenta: That whole non-sense about who falls in love with who “is out of our control” is something that has been created in the last 30 years. Prior to that people respected various rules and guidelines and there was no of this other I cant help myself non-sense.
There is nothing wrong with communities of color loving each other and supporting each other, and this also applies to white people as well. If you want to maintain your culture and identity then all power to you!
If the authors of this bill were really concerned with maintaining their race they would focus more on heterosexual inter-racial marriage/dating and child birth because that is the group that is destroying the white race (and EVERY OTHER RACE for that matter).
By the way I am Latino and am more than happy to be with all of my brown sexy brothers:-) I don’t believe in white supremacy and have no desire to sick on a pale dick 🙁
In fact I wish you white folks would keep to yourselves and keep your mitts off of me and mine!!
kippers2222
Sounds like he and she a Hitler wanna be!!!