Pope Benedict XVI has announced his choice for the next Archbishop of San Francisco: Rev. Salvatore Cordileone, who worked to promote California’s Proposition 8 and is currently chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage.
We’re thinking he might get a mixed reception in the City by the Bay.
Cordileone, who replaces retiring Archbishop George Niederauer in October, was a bishop in San Diego when he campaigned for Prop 8. (He personally donated$6,000 to get the measure passed.) After it passed, he told a reporter that “the ultimate attack of the Evil One is the attack on marriage.”
HRC president Chad Griffin calls Cordileone’s ascension “chilling.” “While LGBT Catholics and their allies have worked relentlessly to create welcoming environments, the appointment of Bishop Cordileone sends a chilling message that, in the eyes of the hierarchy, same-sex relationships are not worthy of equal dignity and respect.”
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At a news conference on Friday, it didn’t sound like Cordileone—who will oversee bishops in Honolulu, Las Vegas, Sacramento and Salt Lake City—was softening his tone: “Marriage can only come about through the embrace of a man and a woman coming together,” he told reporters. “I don’t see how that is discriminatory against anyone.”
Oh, no. Certainly not.
SeaChas
OK. Why is my gaydar going, “Woot! Woot! Woot!” when I see Ms. Thing pictured here in a frock? I’ll be waiting with popcorn for the Treasure Island Media bareback sex tape featuring this fine mess to appear.
Dirty Ole Man
And they had to run to the LDS in Salt Lake for financial backing to help with prop 8, because they lost all their money in child molestation cases. How does that play in your rule book there, Mr Salvatore. I can’t decide who is worse you or J. Falwell. May you both rot in Hell!!
B
At least he doesn’t have a daughter named Lucrezia.
http://sfopera.com/Season-Tickets/2011-2012-Season/Lucrezia-Borgia.aspx and then scroll down to the historical background section for an eyeopener about scandalous popes and in this case an even more scandalous offspring.
John Doe
Great choice.
Let us refresh our memory:
In Matthew 19.4-5 we read:
Jesus replied…’God made them male and female… therefore, a man will leave his father and mother and will join his wife and the two will be one’
In Romans 1.27 we read:
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other…
In 1Corinthians 7.2 we read:
But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
In 1Corinthians 6.9 we read:
Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, thieves, drunkards, cheaters – none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
Homosexual desire is unnatural, because it causes a man to abandon the natural sexual compliment God has ordained for him: a woman. If this was Jesus’ view and Paul’s view recorded in the inspired text, this was also God’s view, therefore, it should be our
view.
Look at this that way – a true Church is like a club with certain standards, with certain rules imposed by Jesus, Apostles, Pope, bishops – there are important reasons for these rules. If you don’t like the rules, find and join another club, but don’t try to change the rules.
tookietookie
Major case of gayface.
tookietookie
Also, he is orange.
B
Re 4 and 5 by “John Doe”….
First, he quotes Mathew 19:4. But the text he quotes is a reply attributed to Jesus to a question, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife…” in Mathew 19:3. You ask a question about a man and his wife, and it isn’t surprising if the answer is about a man and his wife. That doesn’t have anything to do with homosexuality. Also the first “therefore” (you have to check a footnote of the source, which is in Genesis) indicates that in the original Hebrew, the grammatical construction ties an event in the past to a practice in the present. It means there was a contemporary custom of men leaving their parents to live with their wives that reflects the creation myth in Genesis.
Then he quotes Roman 1:27, but that describes a divine punishment in which straight people are driven to have homosexual relations, which are unnatural for them because they are straight, not gay.
Then he quotes I Corinthians 7:2, but that is a reply to someone who wrote, “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman,” so of course the reply talked about sexual relations between a man and a woman.
Then he quotes I Corithians 6:9, but the references to homosexuality are suspect – they involve Greek words whose meanings are not clearly known. Read http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm for an overview of the translation problems. It seems that the translations seem to track Christians’ “hot button” sexual issues of the day.
What should be very obvious, however, is that “John Doe” does not know what he is talking about – he is cherry picking sentences out of context and misapplying them.
Christopher
Well, the church, like any other group or institution, has a right to hold its views and beliefs. However, we don’t live in Russia, where the Orthodox Church there is the major backer of any government measure limiting the freedoms and human rights of its gay and lesbian citizens. We live in a country that prides itself on a written constitution guaranteeing human rights (among which are the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). No matter what the Catholic, or any other, church’s view is on my life and my sexuality, I am glad that I live in a country where we have been fighting for, and gaining, equal rights. And yes, my “gaydar” totally went off when I saw that picture.
And, finally, for the guy quoting biblical passages….the Bible is a two thousand year old book written by men for a different age….there is MUCH in the Bible that no sane or reasonable person would adhere to (except maybe in Alabama, some Middle Eastern countries, and Russia)….so since we are going to pick and choose, why not pick love, tolerance, and acceptance.
Christopher
Great work! Thanks for the response
Granster
@John Doe: I left your club (cult) decades ago and therefore feel no oblication to follow your rediculous rules. If you wish to abide by those rules, be my guest. But I refuse to allow you to impose your rules upon me.
Patsy Stoned
Someone needs to tell Miss Thang that only Olivia Newton-John could get away with that pink thing on her head…and only in 1980.
DJ
This guy is a closet queen but it’s obvious.
Ruhlmann
Where in the hell did this witch doctor get all that money to “personally donate”? I thought “les robes noire”, swore an oath of poverty, or is that just the rank and file? If he had that kind of dough why wouldn’t he give it to a victim of priestly sexual abuse fund? I want to punch that smiling putz in the mouth.
Starwind
@John Doe:
The Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution says “Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
Now, since I do not belong to any of the Judeo-Christian religions (which includes Islam), why on earth should I have to be bound by their rules?
Either A) Marriage is a religous rite that should have absolutely NO civil implications (like automatic inheirtance, automatic power of attorney (medical and personal), or any of the other myriad civil benefits that marriage gives), in which case the church pick who they will marry, like they pick who they will baptise. Also divorice would be a religious rite in that case.
Or B) marriage is a civil institution and civil right that should be held above religious beliefs and the rights thereof given to all consenting adults.
But please pick one or the other since multiple courts have ruled, and the First Amendment agrees, that the two choices are mutually exclusive.
Billysees
@Christopher: No 9
Your response in this conversation is plain and simple and meaningful. The last paragraph is the best.
But, if quotes from scripture are of any value, then hear these also. They help define and describe “today’s” gay life or experience —-
1. “Happy is the boy or girl or man or woman who do not condemn themselves for the things that they allow or approve of”……..Romans 14:22
Interpretation: If we LGBT’s are happier because of our sexuality, then this is OK and there can be no argument.
2. “Man’s steps are determined by the Lord, so how can we really understand our own ways”……..Proverbs 20:24
Interpretation: We all do many different things in this world. Some become nurses, engineers, soldiers, teachers, etc. We think we do those things cause we like them or feel we’re productive doing them. But a divine presence in our lives makes them happen.
Billysees
Continued from No. 16
3. “But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?'”……….Romans 9:20
Interpretation: Be happy and content with whatever state you are in. Be grateful and see what happens.
JimmyBobby
WHAT MONEY! $46.00 or $46,000.00. Who knows what 46,00 Dollars means as in;
(He personally donated 46,00 to get the measure passed.) Clean up ur shit.
NICE EDITING QUEERTY. That’s what you get when you pay 1/10th cent per word for editing and send it offshore.
Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/new-archbishop-of-san-francisco-salvatore-cordileone-major-player-in-pushing-prop-8-20120728/#ixzz221A2p1Fm
Brickman
Where did he get the money to donate?….
ron
I wonder if he clutches a rosary while he’s getting fucked……
pierre
Bitch stole my look!
StephK
The Church heirachy really goes out of its way to abuse its own..clergy and laity alike. At least the laity doesn’t draw a check and so can take or leave whatever crap emanates from Rome. What is cool is that most Catholics don’t give a shit about what the pope or homophobes such as the new archbishop think. They are too educated to give these guys much mind, and draw their spiritual sustenance from their individual faith,the sacraments and each other.As for the clergy, they are trapped upholding the party line of their employer even though it is well known its ranks are INUNDATED with gay men and women .Like previously mentioned, my gaydar has picked up a reading with Cordileone’s portrait, and so I hope this dude is suffering for trading his soul for his newly appointed office.He wouldn’t be the first.
Louis E.
@Starwind:
Marriage is a civil institution whose function is to reward and recognize the particular importance to humanity of male-female relationships.Nobody has a “civil right” to obtain the benefits associated with that function for a relationship that fails to meet that description.
KARUADAM
@Christopher: That is to all of you bloody Catholic!. To many Catholic, not enough CYANIDE :c=d: Are you just another fucking bloody Catholic?. Fuck you and your Christianity that murderer millions in the name of fucking dead God!. Well you tole the world that the Jews killed God.(PS I hope you see it as a heatefull message):
StephK
@Louis E.: If everybody pays taxes, shouldn’t they have the exact same rights bestowed by the state?
JimD
Karuadam:: Thank u 4 your enlightened comments. It’s refreshing to see such tolerance. Suspect you’re a credit to your mosque!
James
All I have t say is that if two consenting adukts want to enter into a monogomos consenting relationship there shouldnt be a problem. Christ taugh love, tolerance and acceptance above all else. There is also supposed to be a seperation between chruch and state. give unto caesar what is caesars and unto god what is gods. let state “Marriage” be reffered to as Civil Union and let the church have the term Marriage. as long as i get the same benifits, wheo cares what its called. Oh, and Catholics. before you go quoting scripture make sure you understand the full import of the implied message. you cant just pick and choose verse in order to get your message accross. the bible is a book and should be treated as such. ifi you are going to try and only teach part of the message then dont be suprissed when people turn away from you and your hateful non-christian god.
Starwind
@Louis E.: If marriage is a civil issue then religion beliefs have no place in the argument. If it is a religious issue then there should be no civil benefits.
As for rewarding a male-female relationship, what particular importance is there? Child bearing? Single women have children all the time, and lots of non fertile couples get married so that’s out. Child rearing? Well studies, real studies, have shown that homosexual couples can do just as good of a job there. So again, that’s out.
So Louis E., just what “Important to humanity” reason is there to divest same sex couples from the civil benifits of marriage?
Global Traveler
@4 John Doe,
Oh, Dear. Where even to begin. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that everything you say is correct. I disagree with it, but just for the sake of argument, somehow, you’ve actually had God Almighty himself bend your ear.
Then so what? There is (supposed to be) a separation of church and state for a reason. That is to protect the freedom of religion, but also freedom FROM religion. You don’t get to impose your rules, none of which can be proven, on others. You know that the interpretation of the bible has changed with alarming frequency throughout the ages. Women were considered chattel. Slavery was ok. Stoning was a common occurrence, etc. You get the idea.
Everything you’re quoting is based, at best, on myth. There is a Law of Gravity. It is immutable and provable. There is no Law of God. Nothing you’re citing can be proven. And therein lies the mystery of faith. If you chose to believe, then good on you. But believe it as it applies to your own life. Not to the life of others.
As far as changing the rules….they are changing. No one that has ever tried to oppress another group has prevailed in the long run. Women got their rights. People of color got their rights. And we will get our rights. That’s why they’re called rights, and not privileges.
Go to church. Enjoy your church. Do good deeds in the name of your church. Just don’t try to drag anyone else into your system of beliefs.
Randall
A total asshole and bigot and probably a closet case too. People should laugh at Catholics because their beliefs are so ridiculous. Not to mention the senile, former Nazi Pope.
Tim
@John Doe: I wasn’t born a member of your “club”. I was born an American citizen. If you want to live in a theocracy, get out of my country.
Cinesnatch
Too bad his politics are messed up, because he’s physically attractive.
HM
“John Doe”….what does Jesus say about cowardice?
Because that’s what you are. Put your real name on a post. Fucker.
cminca
Can’t wait until the sisters get their sites on this guy and his politics.
Salvatore’s gonna get bitch slapped so hard they’ll feel it in Rome.
jeffparm2
If hating is wrong and the church says God does not like us to hate; then they are wrong and eventually they will loose. Just like when Rome became Christian it was a vision by the Roman general that caused it some say it was God sent. They hated Christians then much as we are hated now much as blacks are still hated, and Jews. and other minorities! As was then so shall it be now if God says it wrong to hate then eventually the church will have to change or fall.
JON
WTF?!? Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage?!? The men of the cloth in the Catholic church don’t get married! What the fuck would they know bout it if they don’t personally experience it?
I wish the horribly corrupt Catholic Church would just fuck off!!!
Chad
How does a priest “personaly donate” money. I thought priests took a vow of poverty. This goes against seperation of church and state. TAX THE CHURCHES.
Billysees
@HM: No 32
Funnily said.
And your correct too.
Billysees
@Billysees: No 15
I forgot to “effectively” describe what I wanted to, so here is my revised comment —
2. “Man’s steps are determined by the Lord, so how can we really understand our own ways”……..Proverbs 20:24
Interpretation: We all do many different things in this world. Some become nurses, engineers, soldiers, teachers, etc. We think we do those things cause we like them or feel we’re productive doing them. Being or considering ourselves an LGBT is the same thing. We feel happy and satisfied and comfortable being such people. But actually, it is a divine presence in our lives that makes that all possible, or it can be accurately said that, “our ways are of the Lord”.
Billysees
I say this respectfully, but the spelling of his last name — Cordileone.
Take out the d and the i and you’ve got Corleone. You know, from the Godfather, the Corleone Family. See — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather
Gad Zooks, sounds like the Mafia are about to invade San Francisco……Lol…..Lol.
Danny
Ordinary Roman Catholics in the area need to walk out and start an Old Catholic church run by the new congregation which they can attend instead of continuing to financially back the Roman Catholic atrocities.
jack
You got to admit that the boy looks good in his “glad rags”.
MISTERSEE
@John Doe: If the church believes that “drunkards” will not “inherit the kingdom of god”, why does it promote a drunk to being archbishop? An institution as hypocritical, dishonest, and dysfunctional as the catholic church has no authority to make moral judgments or proclamations about anything.