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New “Christian” Documentary Depicts Tombstone For Gay Past Of Ex-Gay Man

Ex-gay singer/songwriter Dennis Jernigan recently debuted an ex-gay anthem, Rise Up. Now comes a new film Sing Over Me, a 90-minute documentary that chronicles Jernigan’s epic struggle his right-wing, antigay interpretation of the Bible and his strong same-­sex attractions.

The film was produced and directed by 28-year-old Jacob Kindberg (pictured), who raised over $30,000 on Indiegogo to fund the project.

Queerty spoke with Kindberg while he was en route to Tulsa, Oklahoma for the film’s premiere. A special screening was held last month at the Eastwood Baptist Church. Kindberg chatted about the project, as well as his right-wing take on the Bible (“Lusting after someone of the same sex or engaging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex is sinful”) and his negative feelings about gay marriage (“‘Same-sex marriage’ is, by God’s definition, impossible”) among other things.

Obviously, we don’t see eye to eye, and are baffled by the young filmmaker’s inability to think logically, not to mention his obvious contradictions, but we wanted to share with you an unusually intimate look at his views. In a time when even ex-gays are abandoning their own cause in droves, it’s useful to hear from the holdouts.

What is your intention with this film?

First and foremost, I made it for the church, for believers. There’s no political agenda to it. There’s no condemnation. I’m not trying to convince anyone of what they should or should not do. I just wanted to tell Dennis’ story.

I’ve talked to a lot of people who believe this particular thing [being gay] is worse than any other sin. I wanted to tell Dennis’ story and let them see that there are people within the church that struggle with this, and that this topic needs to be discussed more and treated in a different way.

I agree with the Bible’s teaching that engaging in that activity is wrong, but it’s no different than anything else that we are all tempted with when we are trying to pursue God’s plan for our lives.

That’s not the Bible’s teaching, that’s the Christian right’s teaching. So you’re trying to shift the dialogue within the church?

[I also made it] for people who struggle with that particular temptation and who really do want to follow God and have felt that same conviction that [being gay] is wrong, and they really do want to do what’s right, and they feel so held down by this struggle, and feel like it’s a hopeless situation. People outside the church are telling them to go ahead and give into those desires, live that life, do what you feel you should do. But they really don’t want to. In their hearts, they don’t feel that it’s right. For Dennis there was change in his life through the power of Jesus Christ. I just wanted to give an example of someone that this has happened to.

But the “temptation” they are feeling is love. Loving someone isn’t a sin.

Many men enjoy loving and caring relationships with one another that are completely platonic, and there is nothing wrong with that. But lusting after someone of the same sex or engaging in sexual activity with someone of the same sex is sinful. It is destructive to the body and the soul.

I guess I’m not understanding your logic on this. How is that sinful?

In the same way sexual activity between people of the opposite sex outside of marriage is sinful.

Do you know any gay people personally?

I have gay friends who are happy, who don’t feel that conviction that what they’re doing is wrong, and don’t understand why someone would tell them that it’s wrong.

How do they respond when you call them sinners?

I have had several respectful and honest conversations about homosexuality with my gay friends. They know me personally and know where I am coming from, so they do not respond with anger. They are willing to hear me, but they believe I am mistaken.

What about gay Christians who don’t believe they lead a sinful life?

I have friends who feel that way and it is confusing to me. I can’t say that I understand it. All I can say is that when I read scripture it’s very clear to me. There are a lot of things in the Bible we have to discern for ourselves. I don’t feel like this is a grey issue. I feel like the scripture is very clear. I don’t know why other Christians would not feel that.

Can you cite the places where the Bible where God says being gay is wrong?

In both the Old Testament (Leviticus 18:22) and the New Testament (Mark 7:21, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:8-11) it is expressly forbidden.

What if your convictions on this are wrong?

I believe conviction comes from God. I didn’t chose to feel that [homosexuality] is a sinful thing. I believe that that’s true.

Have you ever experienced same-sex attraction?

Personally, I have not experienced that temptation.

So why make a film about it?

I don’t know why, but it has been something that’s been in my heart. Maybe just working in Hollywood and having a lot of friends who deal with it. I guess I thought it would be something I would make a film about at some point. I didn’t know when or what that would be. And then when I heard Dennis’ story I decided it was one I wanted to tell.

There are a number of scenes in the film that I’m sure will have people talking. One that stuck out for me was when Dennis visits the gravestone of his former gay self. That’s just weird.

I’m sure you’ve heard of the term “born again.” When you’re saved, you’re given a new heart. You’re given the Holy Spirit. It’s a new life. The old man, the simple man, has died. The scene is visually representing that. It’s the death of who he is before he’s been saved.

With so much antigay violence happening in the world, and often times in the name of religion, are you concerned that Dennis’ killing of his gay self might play into that intense antipathy?

I think that you are misinterpreting the gravestone scene. It is not a gravestone for Dennis’ gay self, and it does not represent him killing his gay self. It is a visual representation of the saving work of Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with physical death or violence against people with same-sex attractions.

In the film, Dennis talks about people accusing him of “hate speech” for sharing his story of conversion. Are you concerned the film could be labeled similarly?

I think that’s definitely possible. In our society today, it seems to me what the gay community is after is approval for what they do. Not just that they are treated well and that there aren’t any discriminatory laws, but that they are actually celebrated for what they’re doing. And I think there will be people [Christians] who it’ll be hard for them to ever do that.

I’m not sure that we want to be “celebrated.” Being treated equally is enough.

I understand that people will consider this hateful, and we’re already received some bad comments and stuff. I don’t understand it really. If Dennis is happy not engaging in homosexual activity, why would anyone care or say, “No, you don’t really love your wife, you never should have had your kids, you should still be gay, you’re just fooling yourself.” I don’t get that. I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t just be happy for someone finding happiness.

I’ve never heard anyone say ex-gays can’t live the way they want. But I’ve heard plenty of ex-gays say gay people should not live the way they want.

For the Christian community, we’re told to love and want what’s best for everyone. It’s not my job to condemn or judge anyone.

But you call gay people sinners.

If I believe that if someone is doing something harmful, I want to at least warn them. It would be unloving of me to not share how I feel. That’s just the take I have.

But too often there people — usually conservative Christians — who try to impose their beliefs and create laws that hurt gay people.

Moviegoers sit in pews at the “Sing Over Me” premiere in Tulsa on February 28.

Insight and the act of being saved is not a choice. It’s God awakening you. It’s not something that you can make happen. We can’t force that on anyone. We can’t make that happen. We can pray for it. We obviously want that. But it doesn’t make any sense to try and force morality or force laws. Anything that is done by coercion is not a true change.

So then you support marriage equality?

I believe that same-sex relationships don’t need the recognition of the state as “marriage” in order to thrive or exist.

There are a number of legal protections that come with marriage.

There are benefits that go along with that recognition that should be extended to all couples. For instance, same-sex couples should be able to visit the people they love in the hospital. There is no reason to deny such rights. If the laws could be changed so that same-sex couples could enjoy these rights, without it being called marriage, I would be in favor of that.

So you’re one of those people who’s just hung up on the word “marriage”?

“Same-sex marriage” is, by God’s definition, impossible. God created marriage, man did not, and it is a lifelong covenant relationship between a man, a woman and God. I believe in equal rights, but no one can be given the right to do something that is not possible. The state can recognize gay couples as married, but by definition they are not.

How do you respond to people who may feel you are an antigay idealogue who interprets the bible in a right-wing way?

I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and that God has made himself clear when it comes to this issue. God calls homosexual sex a sin, and I take his side against sin. This has nothing to do with politics for me, and I don’t care what the “right-wing way” of interpreting the Bible is.

By:           Graham Gremore
On:           Mar 23, 2014
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  • 21 Comments
    • ted72
      ted72

      Go worship your god and I’ll worship unicorns and Zeus. All equally non-existence or we would have scientific proof of such.

      So arrogant to impose your selfish views upon others with a film. The problem with these films is that the idiots who go see them will only get “confirmation” of their own hatred, then perpetuating it through their children.

      And to think, churches are getting a tax break in which I’m paying for through MY taxes!

      Mar 23, 2014 at 9:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PolishBear
      PolishBear

      Reading this interview with Jacob Kindberg, I’m reminded of a commentator on a Southern Baptist website who wrote, “I can’t reconcile how someone could feel he or she was born with strong homosexual feelings, love Christ and yet take on the limitations of what seem to me to be straightforward biblical teachings. That’s agonizing, and I don’t really understand it.”

      And this is the weird thing: “Straighforward biblical teachings” should at least be understandable to the average person. So often I hear it said, “OUR ways are not GOD’s ways,” as if God was some sort of inscrutable alien being.

      Consider The Golden Rule: We do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Put all the religious dogma and ritual aside, and this is what our laws boil down to. We don’t lie or bear false witness because we won’t want people to lie to us. We don’t steal from other people because we do not want people stealing from us. We don’t betray the trust of our spouses because we wouldn’t want them doing the same to us. Same goes for killing and a variety of other “bad” behaviors.

      And yet somehow there seems to be this sheepish adherence to a double standard for Gay and Straight people. If you’re Straight, it’s all so wonderful to be able to find a compatible person of the opposite sex, court and get engaged and marry and live happily ever after. But if you’re Gay, all of that is completely out of the question. Don’t even bother trying to find a compatible person. Lesbians and Gay men are precluded from any hope for romance or commitment. Gay people are simply told: “Gosh, sorry about that. You make us uncomfortable; acknowledging your existence means we might have to revise what we’ve been teaching all these years – meaning, Whoops! No infallible Magisterium or “literal” Bible … so you’ll just have to sacrifice your life and any hope of finding somebody to love. Tough luck, kid. God said it, I don’t necessarily understand it, but there it is.”

      I wish more evangelicals would at least TRY to wrap their minds around why this makes so little sense to Gay people, and why constant exposure to this sort of disdain is exactly WHY so many Gay young people end up taking their own lives.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 9:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Billy Budd
      Billy Budd

      This guy is obviously crazy, or very oportunistic. And poor Dennis is just a bisexual guy who blocked out an important part of his own self.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 10:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • murphy0071
      murphy0071

      Contrary to popular belief, homosexuals were not fully accepted in either Greek or Roman culture.110 Throughout the Roman and Greek civilizations, gender incongruent males were ridiculed. Solon, as a practical matter, legalized homosexuality to tax the earnings of homosexual prostitutes. Roman law punished homosexual behavior as early as the third century B.C., later protecting minors and forbidding the use of premises for homosexual activity upon pain of death, even by burning.111

      In the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments do not include homosexual behavior (Deuteronomy 5.11-21) and the seven acts most detestable to God (Proverbs 6.16-19: “haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers” do not mention sexual misconduct. In the New Testament, Christ never mentioned homosexuality and asked for understanding and restraint of condemnation in sexual matters (John 8.1-11). The Bible never discusses homosexuality in the context of committed relationships or within the Gay community.112 In I Corinthians 6.9-10, as translated by some into English, St. Paul (coming from a cross-cultural Hebrew, Greek, and Roman perspective) discusses pagan sanctioned temple (cult) male prostitutes (???vo?, pornos), effeminate males or catamites (?????o?, malakos), and homosexuals (a???vo?oi???, arsenokoitai). St. Paul’s statements taken literally, as translated into English, would condemn celibate effeminate homosexuals. Boswell, using Koine Greek contemporary to St. Paul, translations into other languages, and early Christian scholarship and commentaries on I Corinthians 6.9-10 convincingly argues St. Paul was not discussing homosexuals or homosexuality.113

      Saint Augustine, considered Pauline, admitted homosexual practices with much anguish. When Saints John Chrysostom and Augustine–both vehemently opposed to homosexuality–comment on I Corinthians 6.9-10, neither mentions homosexuality.114 St. Augustine’s major apologist, Martin Luther, wrote derisively of homosexuals, but translated “????vo?o????” as “Knabenschänder,” or child molester.115 The Christian Emperor, Justinian, who herded whole villages into rivers to be baptized so they could die in Christ, believed homosexuality caused earthquakes, famines, and pestilence and legislated homosexual behavior should be subjected to penance much like adultery.116 His wife, Theodora, avoiding abortion, had many of her illegitimate children murdered.
      Bible, Torah, and Koran advocate male supremacy. The books of the Bible appear to have been generally accepted about the time of the Council of Carthage in 397. Until A.D. 858, Christians debated whether women had souls.117 The Council of Trent “condemned to anathema anyone who said marriage was as virtuous as celibacy.”118 In Christian, Hebrew, and Moslem texts male homosexuals are seen as effeminates who adopt female sexual behaviors119. The “sin” of homosexuality and legal prohibitions against homosexuals relates to cross-gendered behavior.120 Unlike the Bible, the Koran mentions lesbian behavior. The Koran calls for the punishment of lesbians. Male homosexuals can go through a purification ritual. Lesbians could be forever locked away. While Sunnis appear to follow the Koran, Shiites have adopted an extreme form of punishment for homosexuals. The first such punishment was to throw homosexuals from minarets. This distasteful practice has been replaced with hangings, beatings, being thrown from cliffs using Shariah, a strict code of law derived from “hadith, ijma, and qiyas” not found in the writings of the Prophet Mohammed.

      Christian, Jewish, and Moslem passages against homosexuals may derive from the stories of “Sodom and Gomorrah” and “Ham.” Based on many Bible passages, the most illustrative to explain God’s wrath at Sodom and Gomorrah are found in Ezekiel 16:
      “49. Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50. They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them, when I saw it.” (RSV)
      Homosexuals per se are not mentioned either in the original story of Sodom and Gomorrah or in later biblical explanations. Linguistic scholars of Koine, Aramaic, classical Greek, Latin, and Hebrew convincingly argue “temple prostitutes” and being unclean during religious ceremonies–not homosexuals per se were the topic of biblical discussions regarding “unnatural” sexual practices.121 It is unlikely St. Paul or the rabbinical scholars he studied understood the relationship between differences in brain anatomy and natural sexual orientation. In biblical times, natural sexual practices based on brain sex/gender would have appeared unnatural–particularly because procreation was not involved. It has been argued that St. Paul may have been condemning heterosexuals who engage in homosexual behavior (e.g., Ted Haggard, etc.). How a professed former homosexual could pronounce a total cure and heterosexuality on behalf of Rev. Haggard is unsupported by objective data. St. Paul writing to the Romans who were surrounded by idolatry and pagan religions (Romans 1.23-32) appears to renew and augment the Old Testament prohibition against homosexual behavior found in Leviticus 20: “13. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.” (RSV) The use of “abomination” in the Bible in both Hebrew and Greek referred to sacred ceremonies, idolatry, and pagan worship.

      Today, mainstream churches express the belief that homosexual acts, not homosexuals, are “sinful.”122 While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints adopts the same position, the Book of Mormon fails to mention homosexuality. In the United States and in other countries, the Metropolitan Community Church has pastors ministering predominantly to Gays. Among several protestant religions, Quakers, Unitarians, United Church of Christ, United Methodist Church, Disciples of Christ, Presbyterian Church U.S.A., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Episcopal Church, etc. accept homosexuals and lesbians as congregants and sometimes clerics. Most Jewish synagogues in the United States fully accept homosexuals as congregants and rabbinical scholars. Many Christian churches oppose discrimination against homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered individuals and promote acceptance of same-sexed couples.
      Evangelical Christian scholars state:
      “Christian canon law laid down penalties [for homosexual behavior] ranging from nine years’ penance to permanent excommunication. In general, the [early Christian] church treated homosexuality as a sin needing spiritual cure rather than a crime for magistrates to punish. … In [the words of the preeminent theologian] Karl Barth’s phrase, much homosexual inclination is ‘moral malady'; it is no more to be blamed than left handedness or color blindness. . . . An alert church will not ostracize but befriend those whose constitution and circumstances make Christian living harder for them than for most.”123

      The Roman Catholic Church, while eschewing homosexual acts, indicates homosexuality is innate and tells parents not to force change oriented therapies upon their children. Far from being anti-homosexual, the Vatican Declaration on Sexual Ethics exhorts pastors to be understanding of homosexuals and to include them in the communion of worship.124 The Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith advised American Bishops to fight laws extending civil rights to homosexuals. The Congregation stated, “Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.”125 Before becoming Pope, while head of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Pope Benedict the XVI publicly stated “homosexuality is evil.” Still, American Roman Catholic Bishops have adopted a much more accepting attitude toward sexual minorities.

      To the Religious Right homosexuals are an affront to the nuclear family and “family values.” Family accepted homosexuals are major contributing members to their nuclear families. Research shows that homosexual parents are as effective as heterosexuals in parenting and that living in a Gay household lacks influence on the sexual orientation or psycho-social adjustment of children.126 Many jurists appear to use the classical “traditional family” as their model in second-parent adoption cases.127 Although religious motivation appeared to have a negative influence on some, pre-service elementary teacher’s attitudes towards gay and lesbian parents appeared increasingly accepting.128 Same-sexed affirmation and commitment ceremonies, much like marriages, are performed by some religious groups and individuals. Allowing Gay couples to marry is seen by many as a way to decrease promiscuity, increase monogamy among Gays, and promote a healthy view of homosexuals. Marriage between same-sexed couples is accepted in some states and not others, and in some culturally advanced countries.

      The Religious Right, through Exodus International and PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex-homosexuals), support their views using a pseudo-journal, The Journal of Human Sexuality,129 consisting of an anti-homosexual diatribe using argumentum ad hominem, half-truths, deceptions, and articles from questionable sources, use flawed research of found in some mainstream vetted research, selectively quote from legitimate sources. Among many professional bodies, the American Psychiatric and Psychological Associations have condemned Exodus International and similar organizations for giving false hope to ego-dystonic homosexuals desiring to become heterosexual. While stating many living the “homosexual lifestyle” have become heterosexual through “reparative” or “Christian conversion” therapy,130 Exodus International and others offer no reliable or valid scientific evidence of these metamorphoses and refuse long-term follow-up studies. A study which does not distinguish between male pseudohomosexuals and natural homosexuals indicated that 11 men changed sexual orientation as a result of “folk therapy” as part of a pentecostal experience.131 Many chapters of Exodus International have fallen by the way. “Two of Exodus International’s founders, Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper, fell in love and left the organization in 1979.”132
      The Religious Right, exemplified by the Family Research Institute and Family Research Council, have a narrow self-righteous view of sexuality and use flagrant deceit and exceptionally questionable research methods (e.g., inadequate and biased subject selection, sampling methods, peer reviewed publishing, and data sources–followed by unsupported conclusions, conjecture, and speculation).133 Some defend their views by misrepresenting and dismissing a massive body of professional literature and scientific research.134 A look at their internet sources illustrates their facile use of illegitimate and legitimate research to create a hostile view of homosexuals. Other religions with ultra-right elements also show similar bias against homosexuals.135
      Other Cultures and Traditions.

      In many American Indian tribes, before the coming of Christian missionaries, cross-gendered individuals found wide acceptance (e.g., Kutenai, Crow, Mohave, Pawnee, Piegan, Omaha, Arapaho, Cheyenne, Cree, Sauateaux, Ute, Flathead, Maidu, Teton-Dakota, Cocopay, Kamia, Klamath, Navaho, Mohawk, Zuni, Chumash, Colorado, Yaavapai, Mono, Sioux, Pima, Ojibwa, Chippewa, Potawatomi, Shoshoni, Winnebago, Quinalt, Apache, Mandan, Blackfeet, Oglala, etc.). In early childhood, when cross-gendered interests and play were apparent, a feminized male child was reared among the tribal women and a masculinized female child among tribal men. Often, as an adult, “she” married a male tribal member and “he” became a chief or married a female tribal member.136 Among these tribes, the inward spirit, not outward anatomy, was the key to gender behavior and sexual expression. In differing cultures and geographic regions, among a few primitive tribes, homosexual activity is still part of ritual passage through puberty.137 The indigenous tribal acceptance of homosexuals and transsexuals was used by the Papacy to justify the murder of thousands in South America and Mexico. That Christ does not mention homosexual behavior in the Book of Mormon is most unusual as his visits among indigenous American peoples is the focus of Mormon scripture. In today’s society, homosexual, bisexual, and sexual uncertainty appear to be higher among American-Indian adolescents than comparable Caucasians138
      Before Western influence in the orient, China and Japan accepted homosexuals and the cross-gendered. In the silk growing regions of China, lesbian liaisons were encouraged. During the Cultural Revolution, although homosexual behavior was not subject to legal condemnation, there were accounts of persecution of lesbian and male homosexual couples.139 Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists, etc., not coming from the middle eastern patriarchal tradition, have always had little or nothing to say about sexual orientation. In Hindu law, while adult females can be severely punished for seducing a young female, nothing is said about punishment of male homosexuals.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 11:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      The views of ex gays, their teachings, and their “reform” programs are very dangerous. Queerty, I get that this is a news site and all, but I really wish you would not give people like this a platform from which to speak.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 11:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      This Jacob Kindberg is yet one more zealot who confuses “marriage” with “holy matrimony”. A very annoying thing.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 11:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Southstguy
      Southstguy

      I went to college with his wife, and she’s one of the sweetest souls on the planet. This is disappointing.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 11:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • a new member
      a new member

      @morphy0071 I am unclear as to what your point was.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 12:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Billy Budd
      Billy Budd

      murphy0071 is weird.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 1:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mph2014
      mph2014

      Do you see what Kindberg is saying? His church is the ONLY church. You Lutherans, Episcopalians, Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, and other non-fundamentalists are going to Hell. This is why I hate Fundamentalism. They follow a heretical doctrine of exclusion.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 2:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mph2014
      mph2014

      @murphy0071: Since when does God approve of plagiarism?

      Mar 23, 2014 at 2:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • IzzyLuna
      IzzyLuna

      This poor guy is the epitome of what religion can do to a good guy who doesn’t know any better and is the product of his environment and his raising. I feel sorry for him. In 2 years he’ll be regretting all of this when he meets the right guy.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 2:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • concretedonkey
      concretedonkey

      When someone starts with the idea of the fall of man and “sin,” it’s all downhill from there. It grieves my soul that there are gay men who would see this video and feel like they must get right with Jesus ASAP. Sigh.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • curan
      curan

      If this moron would ever actually try reading his bible, he might learn about the “special friend” of Jesus from the end of the book of John.

      If he understands it, he will shut right up.

      Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

      22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

      24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 2:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. E. Jones
      Mr. E. Jones

      It has nothing to do with physical death or violence against people with same-sex attractions.

      That’s funny, because when Dennis Jernigan was vice president of Exodus International, he had to resign when it came out that he supported Jamaica’s anti-gay laws.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 3:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • samwise343
      samwise343

      @murphy0071: This is Queerty, not Wikipedia.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 6:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sangsue
      sangsue

      This guy sees ALL pre-marital sex as sinful and supports that GLBT couples exist and he’s hung up on the word “marriage.”

      Not that it’s good enough. But at least he’s not advocating gay bashing or saying gay marriage causes earthquakes and tornadoes and isn’t saying better dead than gay. That’s something. Not enough. But something.

      Mar 23, 2014 at 6:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jckfmsincty
      jckfmsincty

      News Alert: Christians Hate Homosexuals

      Mar 23, 2014 at 10:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayambassador
      gayambassador

      oh dear….aren’t trailers supposed to inspire you to want to watch the entire film. FAIL! If that the best they can do in the trailer I can’t comprehend how boring the rest of it must be. Can’t see this documentary getting any awards of significance.

      Mar 24, 2014 at 7:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • cavewolf
      cavewolf

      The “marriage is owned by Christianity” line of reasoning really needs to be shot down.

      Right Wing Ultra Conservative Christians want and EXPECT hetero couples to get married… whether the couple is Christian or not! Are they upset about two Muslims getting married? Two atheists? They don’t care at all just so long as it’s heterosexual. If they truly believed that a marriage was “between a man, a woman, and God,” then any non-Christian marriages should be attacked, argued against, lobbied against, etc. SO FRUSTRATING!

      And, I’M A CHRISTIAN! God, it’s even more irritating when it’s people waving MY flag who can’t think themselves out of a box…

      Mar 25, 2014 at 1:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • newecreator
      newecreator

      There are so many wrongs in this movie.

      Mar 26, 2014 at 3:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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