New Jersey Senate President Dick Codey says he will put gay marriage up for a vote on Thursday, and “see what happens.” Cute. But don’t get too excited. Even if there are enough votes in the Senate, and even if Assembly Speaker Joseph Roberts makes good on his promise to bring up the bill there if the Senate acts, all this has to happen, supposedly, before Monday, which is the legislative session’s final day.
Brian NJ
I hope if they do wrong thing, gays, their families and friends have the good sense to may the Democratic Party pay for the betrayal of their promise at the polls. They sure made a fool out of Steve Goldstein, and every gay person in and out of New Jersey should heed the lesson. A deal with the Democratic Party is no bargain.
Steve did everything “right” — didn’t make waves for Democratic candidates, lobbied, wrote letters, hurt no one. He was the good boy, and look how he was treated. And gay voters were thrown under the bus, too. Gays always did everything right — paid their higher taxes to educate the married people’s kids — kept up their houses and properties — gentrified neighborhoods — and look how New Jersey has returned their niceness — with a baseball bat right in the face.
And look how the taxpayer was treated. Now they are going to have an explosion of litigation because of this nutty two-tier marriage system giving different results to different people. All for a fucking word.
terrwill
Why the flock even bother? To give Maggot Gallagher and her
wicked minions another excuse to mock the Gay community?
Gay marriage has become nothing more than a Gay debacle.
We need to stop this madness of trying to attain something
that just ain’t gonna happen with the current makeup of
the legislatures in almost every state. All we are doing
is empowering the frightwing lunatics to gloat……..
We need to regroup, get some people who can actually
precdict with at least some degree of acuracy if there is
to be a positive outcome in one state and concentrate on
that one……….All this vote will do is add some much
needed mositure to Maggot’s shrivled up crunt……..
FakeName
Why bother? To identify our enemies and because, who knows, maybe we’ll get a pleasant shock. If the legislature of New Hampshire had said “why bother” then couples there wouldn’t have been marrying starting at a minute past midnight New year’s Day.
Robert, NYC
What else can we do but keep on trying, there is no other way to win it, eventually? The Supreme Court rightnow won’t do anything with it because its stacked with too many catholic conservatives on the right. We just have to stop giving automatic support to the Dems and withhold our donations until they get serious about equality. I recently asked the DNC to remove me from their mailing list but have refused to do so. I’m still getting solicitations so I wrote a letter to anti marriage equality DNC chairman Tim Kaine what I think of the party and him and what they can all expect from us in 2010 and beyond. Either put up or shutup.
terrwill
No. 3 · FakeName: I am tired of posters who don’t even read and comprehend a full post prior to responding. If you had taken the time to read I clearly stated that it is a waste of time in NJ it ain’t gonna happen. I DID say this:
We need to regroup, get some people who can actually
precdict with at least some degree of acuracy if there is
to be a positive outcome in one state and concentrate on
that one
FakeName
I am tired of posters who don’t even read and comprehend a full post prior to responding.
And I’m tired of people whose main conversational gambit is making up cutesey-poo nicknames for right-wingers getting their panties bunched after deciding what I do or don’t understand. I read your post and understood it just fine, thanks. We already thought we had a state where we could “precdict” [sic] the outcome, New York, and that didn’t really work out. Are the chances in NJ great? No. Does that mean that not getting a vote is a complete waste of time? Absolutely not. Put them on the record, work for the ones who support us and get rid of the ones who don’t.
Steve
If any Democrat votes against us, we should contribute to a Progressive candidate to oppose that Democrat in his/her next general election. If any Republican votes against us, we should contribute to a Conservative candidate to oppose that Republican in his/her next general election. The idea is not to actually elect Progressives or Conservatives. The idea is to split some fraction off of the incumbents base, to help defeat the incumbent that voted against us.
We don’t have enough votes to move an election by brute force. We do can only swing a percent or two, at most. But we can bait the fringe voters on either end of the spectrum, and that can “spoil” the election for the incumbent. We cannot create a majority, but we certainly can break one.
Observer1000
NOM can gloat in their unChrisitan manner all they want. 48% of CA and ME voted in support of marriage equality. There was support from a wide cross-section of NY states pols in their marriage debate. I suggest any of the nay-sayers contrast the support we have now with the support we had 10 years ago. Maggie can only hold her finger in the dyke for so long!
hammerininmyhead
Is there a website that lists the progressive opponents of any of these legislators in the 2010 elections (or the cowards in NY)? I’m ready to put my money where my mouth is (proverbially speaking). It would be nice to have a one-stop-shop for determining those who are with us and those who are against us.
tjr101
Folks… this is NOT going to be pretty.
terrwill
No. 6 · FakeName:
“Put them on the record, work for the ones who support us and get rid of the ones who don’t.”
How’s that working out for you?
I never posted anything negative about you. Yet you have slammed me and others in your posts. You know I can deal with someone like Michael Letteman who spews poo at posters here but when someone whom I think is a member of the community continues to be a douche, its kind of pathetic………………….
FakeName
I never posted anything negative about you.
You’ve posted negatively about me in this very thread. Who do you think you’re fooling?