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Now It’s The New York Times That Is Pretty Much Outing Homophobic GOP Rep. Aaron Schock

Aaron SchockApparently, the outing of a Congressman is more than even the New York Times can resist. So, the Times has produced a story about Itay Hod, whose Facebook posting effectively outed GOP Rep. Aaron Schock, to discuss the debate about outing. And how would you handle a political story if you were the paper of recod?

Put it in the Fashion & Style section. Oh, and don’t mention Schock by name.

But link to the Facebook item that caused the furor.

In a classic case of having its cake and eating it too, the Times juggled two competing impulses: covering a juicy story and adhering to its self-selected standards. It’s hard to imagine what the point is of not mentioning Schock by name, since the paper makes it available just a click away. Instead, the paper wants to use the episode for more journalistic navel-gazing about the merits of outing.

And here’s the point journalists seem to keep missing about Hod’s original post. Hod is saying that an open secret remains secret only with the complicity of the media. Everyone knows but no one is willing to say anything.

The mainstream media’s response is, show us the proof. In the absence of a direct statement, the only acceptable evidence under this logic is evidence if a sexual relationship.

Let’s stop and think about that for a second.

Do we need evidence of a sexual relationship to identify someone as straight? Obviously not. But when it comes to someone who is lesbian or gay, if there isn’t DNA involved, the evidence isn’t good enough.

Moreover, why the prosecutor’s standard of evidence for calling someone gay? The underlying (and unspoken) premise is that being gay is still something worthy of being a secret. That’s a hangover from the days when being out was likely to be harmful because of the bigotry you would face. Journalists want to get the story right, for good reason, but is it really still libel to call someone gay? You can understand why a newspaper wouldn’t want to spend the money to test that theory, but let’s stop pretending that calling someone gay is a slur.

The tension that Hod surfaced is what constitutes being out. If everyone knows, as was the case with Good Morning America anchor Robin Roberts, but no one says anything, it still sends a signal that being gay is something to hide because it’s private. You can’t imagine anyone take the same approach to, say, someone’s religion. Everyone knows he’s a Presbyterian, but we never actually saw him coming out of the church.

At the same time, people should have the right to control their own coming out narrative. But they shouldn’t count on the media as co-conspirators of the closet. Especially not when, as in one case that comes to mind, you’ve made a career at the expense of your own community. Who might that be? You can probably supply his name yourself.

By:           John Gallagher
On:           Jan 17, 2014
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  • 73 Comments
    • Gordon
      Gordon

      The untilmate question should be: Can the man do his job? If he can, great! If he can’t, out! And that should be all that concerna anyone! Ever!

      Jan 17, 2014 at 6:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • trilingual1946
      trilingual1946

      The ultimate question is “Is this an LGBT person who is using his/her public position or celebrity status to actively work AGAINST the interests and human rights of other LGBT people?” If the person is, s/he deserves to be outed as a raging hypocrite. Otherwise, it should be a private matter. In an ideal world, one’s sexuality shouldn’t be any more controversial than one’s religion. But we aren’t there yet, and there can be very few LGBT people who haven’t had to struggle with themselves to reach the point where they are comfortable about disclosing their sexual orientation. I’m sure the vast majority of us would have been extremely unhappy and angry if someone disclosed out sexual orientations to the world before we were ready to do that. Politicians and celebrities should be no different, unless they are actively causing harm to other LGBT people.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • redspyder
      redspyder

      @Gordon: So he can only be outed if he is crap at his job?

      Jan 17, 2014 at 6:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robirob
      robirob

      ””Moreover, why the prosecutor’s standard of evidence for calling someone gay? The underlying (and unspoken) premise is that being gay is still something worthy of being a secret. That’s a hangover from the days when being out was likely to be harmful because of the bigotry you would face.””

      Closeted people with or without careers are afraid that they are judged based on their sexuality alone and not based on their actions and accomplishments. That’s the fear or concern that keeps them in the closet.

      The outing of a hypocrite like Schock is a good thing, because Schock relies on the Republican Party’s typical double standard where he is exempt from the outcome that follows from voting against the rights of the LGBT Community.

      The media keeps mum about common knowledge (like when someone is commonly known as gay in insider circles) when it suits their purpose of keeping access to useful resources of interviews and information.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      I see no ethical, legitimate or even hypothetical reason to be against the outing of someone as odious and hurtful to his own brethren as this vile man is.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DShucking
      DShucking

      @Gordon: If he’s gay and voting against gay rights he deserves to be outed. Plain and simple.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jimbryant
      jimbryant

      The New York Times has always been reticent about mentioning names in relation to male homosexuality. Even its obituaries often leave out known facts related to male homosexual partners of those who are deceased. It’s not a very gay-friendly newspaper but will seek to use gay rights issues for political reasons.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • balehead
      balehead

      Actually there’s about 23 “ugly” closets cases also voting against gay rights too….why aren’t you outing them again??….

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DShucking
      DShucking

      @balehead: I would support that if I knew their names. Do you have a list?

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • KittyLitter
      KittyLitter

      @Gordon: …Moron.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 7:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      OK..I am not proud of this and I am an old married lady person. LOL QUEER but I asked my husband of 25 years and he said I could totally blow Schock but I am not allowed to swallow and I have to get video…To be clear, that would totally be an anger BJ.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 8:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      “If everyone knows, as was the case with Good Morning America anchor Robin Roberts, but no one says anything, it still sends a signal that being gay is something to hide because it’s private.”

      Even if the entire universe knows, it’s Robin Roberts’ who has the right to decide when to tell her truth. Only she knows how this news will affect her loved ones and the people who are a significant part of her life. I believe that it’s selfish for someone to insist that others must come out simply because they are a public figure. Those who insist this need to do some self analysis and ask themselves how they would feel if someone else had decided to tell their truth for them when they were not ready for that information to be made public. You are the only person who can decide when it’s appropriate to tell your truth.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 9:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dougmc92
      dougmc92

      they still make outing the worst crime on the books- you can expose adultery/infidelity of straight public figures all the time…until they take the same approach with gay figures- they are saying gay is wrong/shameful/deserving of hiding, etc!

      Jan 17, 2014 at 9:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      NEW BUMPER STICKER—-WWHMD—What Would Harvey Milk Do.????

      Jan 17, 2014 at 9:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • KittyLitter
      KittyLitter

      @dougmc92: outing is okay when the individual being outed is a bigot.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @dougmc92
      Back to my original point. Would you have appreciated it if someone had made the decision to out you before you were ready to make that information public. Would you then have accepted the same response you just made if someone had told you that they outed you because they felt that you deciding to “stay in the closet” was “wrong/shameful/deserving of hiding”. BTW outing people should not be grouped with people who are unfaithful to their spouses. Apples and oranges.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @KittyLitter: Bullshit! Or in your case catshit! EVERYONE should come out or be outed.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @ AuntieChrist: Seriously!!! Talk about selfish. That’s all.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Christopher.: To thine own self be true.Living a lie is NEVER right EVER…WWHMD..???

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jwrappaport
      jwrappaport

      @Christopher.: Play the world’s tiniest violin. It’s a two way street: you can’t expect us to respect his privacy when he makes a living off of demonizing and oppressing us, especially if he is one of us.

      It’s a tactical move: I wouldn’t out him because I’m a mean-spirited person, but rather because it would eliminate a political opponent to my own legal equality.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Christopher.: How can you say that.? If everyone would just come clean then live and let live…It’s not quantum physics..Or building a house..More like planting a seed…Letting things grow, shining a light. Jeeze how many metaphors do you need.???

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jwrappaport
      jwrappaport

      @Christopher.: The second Schock started targeting me and the people I love, he lost my pity for whatever fallout may accompany his outing. He lost any moral claim he could possibly have had to his privacy when he started preaching contempt for me and the people I love.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @AuntieChrist: Being true to yourself means making decisions that are right for YOU in your own time and at your own pace. BTW, Harvey Milk was a true pioneer and worthy of all the praise and accolades he receives but he wasn’t God meaning he was a human being just like you and I. Yes he had tremendous gifts and abilities and courage but there was only one Harvey Milk and people don’t have to make personal decisions based on what he may or may not have done.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Christopher.: SO WHAT.? People hate me my parents kicked me out at 15 do I hide or say I KNOW WHO I AM DO YOU.? I know I am a good person cause I do not lie hurt steal or make anyone feel like it is not OK to be you.OKAY there are the exceptions Dahmer Manson Hitler Stalin but come one we all are not them.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 10:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @jwrappaport: Instead of outing him why not try a different approach and try to unseat him. Outing him may not have the desired effect you want. What if his constituents didn’t give a rat’s behind about him being gay and they re-elected him to his seat anyway? I would rather see him out of Congress where I know he can’t do anymore damage than take the chance of him going back and still continue to vote against LGBT issues. I know you may not live in his district but I donate resources to candidates often that are not in my district or even my state. The goal should be to get him the hell out of Congress.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 11:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @AuntieChrist: I think it’s detestable when parents kick their children to curb and I applaud your courage and fortitude in making the best of your life under some really crappy circumstances. It’s great that you know who you are but understand that people have the right to figure out who they are at their own pace.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 11:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • joey
      joey

      It IS still something worthy enough to keep a secret, many people who are gay want to keep it that way because it would affect their personal life, where they work or in some other negative fashion. Lets face it things aren’t always so accepting everywhere. Media like the NYT recognize that “officially” outting someone can have negative effects, so they are being (responsinbilty) cautious. This isn’t rocket science. There are little if any reprecussions if your are disclosing that some one is hetro. I do agree that any politician that does harm and is gay deserves no protection. If someone wants to stay in the closet,and isn’t harming anyone its their business.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 11:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Christopher.: Watch the documentary OutRage then come back and tell me how you feel.I knew Harvey Milk and Larry Kramer is a long time friend…Did the black folk pussyfoot around and wait for their rights or did folks take to the streets and demand what was right.??? When you can hide in plain sight and hurt others, then outing him is the best way to remove him.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 11:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Christopher.: @joey: If a person is gay and historically votes against gay rights there is something very sinister about that person.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 11:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @AuntieChrist: Speaking as one of those “black folk”, I can tell you that there were many segments of the Civil Rights Movement. It was more than people “marchin’ it the streets”. Only a small minority of African-Americans took to the streets compared to the number of African-Americans that lived in the country. My mother and father weren’t activists that marched in the streets but they contributed in other ways as did a vast majority for African-Americans including my grandparents by helping people who had lost their jobs because they participated in rallies and marches and donating money to churches and other organizations committed to our equality. But I digress. My point is that even those who didn’t “support” the movement did so for their own reasons, mainly out fear of retribution. Whatever their reasons, until I walk a mile in their shoes or the shoes of LGBT people who choose to remain closeted I cannot judge.

      Jan 17, 2014 at 11:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jwrappaport
      jwrappaport

      @Christopher.: Paltry donations to democrats in an overwhelmingly conservative district will make not one iota of difference. Good luck with that plan. I prefer the alternative: expose Schock as a closeted fraud and expose the hypocrisy of the religious right.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 1:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher.
      Christopher.

      @jwrappaprt
      If the hypocrisy of the religious right hasn’t been exposed by now then it won’t be. What you have now is those remaining souls that are going to listen them spout that bullshit no matter how many gay folks you out. So go ahead and expose Schock if you want to but it’s a case of winning the battle but losing the war. Yes you’ve got a point about him being in a “safe” Republican district but it does us no good if that next fellow comes in and picks up where Schock left off. Those “paltry” donations will do more to help our cause than exposing one congressmen that nobody really knows outside of his own district and really wouldn’t give a shit anyway because after all “He’s not in my district”. By not trying to unseat him, even though it’s probably a longshot basically means we’re being lazy by not even trying to make the effort. This is politics after all and stranger things have happened.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 2:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Christopher.: You really should watch the documentary Outrage it’s all about DC and the closeted political machine that even now works to keep gays from having the same rights as everyone else.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 5:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      The author of this post really said some things nicely. Especially “And here’s the point journalists seem to keep missing about Hod’s original post. Hod is saying that an open secret remains secret only with the complicity of the media. Everyone knows but no one is willing to say anything.”

      So true, the main thing is, all the people that scream about how evil and terrible outing is all seem to think that saying somebody is gay is the most horrible thing possible in the world. Time to get over their self hatred/homphobia.

      And as for the media, shame on you. Lets go back a few years, when Rosie O’Donnell was bringing her girlfriend to awards shows and everybody in the media knew she was a lesbian the media was still writing stories about how tough it was for Rosie being a single mom. Even though they KNEW she had a girlfriend at home with the kids. It is beyond hypocrisy, you are doing the right wing’s bidding.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 7:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • bonnie foster
      bonnie foster

      like Hazel said I’m in shock that a single mom able to get paid $6032 in a few weeks on the computer . find out here http://gg.gg/zh2n

      Jan 18, 2014 at 8:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      Ever notice it’s only the young, good-looking conservatives who are being hounded about their sexuality, and not the old, ugly ones?

      “shallow” (shal-o); adj; Lacking depth, as in intellect or significance.

      @Christopher.: Good points, but you’d have more success finding snow in Miami than in trying to sway the hardcore liberalism of Queerty commenters.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 9:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • chaddyboy6
      chaddyboy6

      it is a private matter. Period. No matter how you FEEL about someone or agree or disagree about their politics? Case in point. What if a politician or an actor or an news anchor was n the closet and gay and lesbian friendly. Does that not make them hypocrites too?

      Jan 18, 2014 at 10:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky: You need to check your facts bub the majority of outed politicians have been ugly and mostly conservatives.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 10:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @BJ McFrisky:

      Ever notice how BJ always tries to make sweeping generalizations and yet can never back them up?

      BJ, how sad for you, you aren’t even trying to articulate a position anymore, you simply try to find some little thing you can try to make a bitchy comment about then scramble away. If that is the best the GOP can do on here, then your case is well and truly lost.

      Oh, and as for only young and good looking conservatives being hounded, you’ll have to remind me, how young and good looking were George Reckers, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, etc…

      Oh wait, thats right, you were just hoping that people wouldn’t notice you were lying again. Whoops, sorry about that.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 10:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @chaddyboy6: said…”it is a private matter. Period. No matter how you FEEL about someone or agree or disagree about their politics? ”
      _____________________

      So if somebody is robbing your house I guess you shouldn’t do anything like call the police to stop them because Gee, it’s a private matter.

      What a fool.
      1. It is only a problem if you think being called gay is the worst thing that can happen.

      2. Schock voted for legislation to strip rights away from every gay person in the nation, but according to you he is the sweet little victim and every gay person in the nation he wanted to force second class status on is a bully for not LETTING him take rights away.

      You’re not just sad and foolish, you seem incredibly deluded.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 10:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @AuntieChrist: Really? You might want to check out the facts on that, Auntie, such as Queerty’s rah-rah reaction and obsession with Tom Daley’s coming out, as compared to its “meh” response to the same announcement made by older, less desirable people like Robin Roberts or Brian Boitano. You may not WANT to notice the difference, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 12:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky:You said.”
      BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      Ever notice it’s only the young, good-looking conservatives who are being hounded about their sexuality, and not the old, ugly ones?

      I said. “The majority of outed politicians have been ugly and mostly conservatives. Nothing about regular folk….So crawl back into your conservative closet and curl up with your cozy blanket statement.

      Jan 18, 2014 at 11:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sopp Chockey
      Sopp Chockey

      @Christopher.:

      “Instead of outing him why not try a different approach and try to unseat him.”

      Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/now-its-the-new-york-times-that-is-pretty-much-outing-homophobic-gop-rep-aaron-schock-20140117/#ixzz2qpS35lpk

      Why not both?

      Jan 19, 2014 at 2:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sopp Chockey
      Sopp Chockey

      @BJ McFrisky:

      *cough*Bullshit*cough*.

      Ever hear of Lindsey Graham, sweetums?

      Jan 19, 2014 at 3:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @AuntieChrist:

      Auntie, did you notice how after BJ’s comments I listed a bunch of older unattractive folks who have been outted and he ignored it?

      That is his M.O. He tries to make some sort of broad general statement, and then when it is easily pointed out to be wrong he merely pretends that that post has never happened.

      A bit like FOX News. He things if he says something enough he can convince people it’s real.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 6:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @Cam: Yea…That’s cause she ain’t got a leg to stand on…Am I the only queer that watches documentaries..? OUTRAGE is a really good one…Guess folks just don’t have time to edge u ma cate themselves they want it quick and fast like sex or food.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 8:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @AuntieChrist:

      LOVED Outrage, still waiting for Charlie Crist to come out. lol

      Jan 19, 2014 at 8:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @AuntieChrist: Saw “Outrage;” didn’t find it that outrageous since it predictably targeted Republicans and Fox News employees. But I’ve been vastly more edu-ma-cated by the following docs . . .
      Occupy Unmasked
      Hating Breitbart
      An Inconsistent Truth
      Not Evil, Just Wrong
      Hillary: The Movie
      Indoctrinate U
      Celsius 41.11
      2016: Obama’s America
      I Want Your Money
      The Path to 9/11
      . . . all of which put Michael Moore’s and Al Gore’s “talents” to shame.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 9:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • masc4masc
      masc4masc

      I think BJ McFrisky makes a very good point: the gay community only becomes obsessed with outing the hot guys. Is it really about activism or personal satisfaction and fantasies? Outing someone is some of the most homophobic behavior I can think of.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 1:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @masc4masc: As long as people think it’s okay or necessary to remain in the closet then we will never have equal rights.You and BJ and all you effing gays who equate shame with being queer should join a monastery and stay out of bathrooms and back alleys and stay the hell off of gay blogs and pissing on every ones rights with your uncle tom log cabin bullshit.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 1:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @AuntieChrist: Aaaand the cutesy Auntie mask comes off and the true face of the resentful, spitting-angry liberal is revealed. Hurling insults about deviant sexual behavior in bathrooms and back alleys shows us that you’ll stoop to the level of gay-bashing to get your point across. How very progressive of you.

      I’ll say it again: Every time I stop by Queerty, I learn that gay pride is only achievable if one is a registered Democrat. Apparently the rest of us are evil and must be destroyed.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 4:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @BJ McFrisky:

      Did you notice all how BJ keeps trying to say that gays only worry about outing “Hot guys” yet some of us have given multiple examples of older unattractive closet cases outted and BJ will then ignore those posts and try to deflect onto another topic.

      His sad little tactics of lie, then ignore and deflect if somebody catches him is so obvious it’s sad.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DShucking
      DShucking

      @BJ McFrisky: If you don’t mind I’d like to ask you a couple of questions. Not trying to be rude here. Are you gay? Are you a republican?

      Jan 19, 2014 at 7:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky: It is common knowledge in our community that closeted and repressed gays frequent bathrooms and back alleys. You forget darling that I live in Oklahoma A RED STATE and you can’t swing a dead cat without hittin a closet case…So don’t try to say I am homophobic. I’ve been angry ever since I watched OUTRAGE the other day and saw the voting record of closeted republicans. I lived threw the assassination of Harvey Milk who was my FRIEND, I lived threw the AIDS crisis in San Francisco and I can still smell the sent of death as I washed and cleaned and cared for my brothers who died a slow and painful death…If I have any phobia it’s conservaphobia which I just made up…I,m tired of conservatives whining about the poor… of the ONE PERCENT who have more than they need or will ever use…I’m tired of conservative gays who cry foul every time someone questions their ethics…At least I am doing something by volunteering my time three days a week at the AIDS food bank and living on a budget with my not legal husband of 25 YEARS in a state that does not even recognize my rights as a human being…And you call ME a homophobe..???

      Jan 19, 2014 at 7:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky: See you made me so mad I misspelled through..Hope you are happy, I don’t often lose my cool.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 7:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • masc4masc
      masc4masc

      @AuntieChrist: So let me get this straight, the solution is to attack guys into wanting to be in the gay community? Makes no sense. I don’t frequent bathrooms or back alleys for sex and never have. You need to learn how to talk to people. You seem very hostile. Though I guess if I was walking around thinking people are doing something wrong by not doing as I think they should do, I’d probably be a bit moody too. I honestly don’t get why gays and republicans don’t get along better. Seems both try to dictate how everyone should think and live.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 9:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DShucking
      DShucking

      @masc4masc: Gay people don’t pass laws to harm gay republicans. It’s the other way around.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 9:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @masc4masc:

      I love it when one group tries to attack the other group then pretends to be the victim if the other group doesn’t willingly let themselves be attacked.

      Jan 19, 2014 at 11:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @DShucking: @Cam: Harvey Milk should have a national day to remind people that he was assassinated by Dan White…He was our M.L.K.

      Jan 20, 2014 at 7:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @AuntieChrist: Never called you a homophobe, AC, I simply stated that you resorted to gay-bashing lingo to get your point across, which is never cool, regardless of how much you might disagree with someone.
      @DShucking: Yes, I’m gay, an no, I’m not a Republican (not that there’s anything wrong with that). Believe it or not, I live just north of San Fran and have many gay friends who aren’t Democrats, they’re not Republicans, they just happen to think for themselves and refuse to be indoctrinated by rhetoric aimed to sway their opinions.

      Jan 20, 2014 at 9:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky: I grew up in the Bay area in Richmond CA and came out in SF in 1975 I apologize, that comment was a bit over the top, but as Harvey Milk was my friend who was killed by a conservative and given the nature of closeted homosexuals you can see where I might get upset…So what, I am a big fan of Jill Stein and very much relate to her ideas so sue me for caring about people and our planet.I no longer believe that a passive approach is the answer.

      Jan 20, 2014 at 9:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky: one more thing. I was gay bashed by a bunch of skinheads in San Francisco and spent several weeks in hospital.Back in the 80s

      Jan 20, 2014 at 9:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ McFrisky
      BJ McFrisky

      @AuntieChrist: Your passion and activism are appreciated, truly hey are. Dig this: I was at a party in S.F. back in ’88, and guess who I met? Doug Schmidt, the POS lawyer who got Dan White off with a manslaughter conviction. When I was introduced and refused to shake the man’s hand, he laughed at me, as if my position on his Twinkie defense was irrelevant (the dick). I totally agree that Milk should have a holiday—absolutely. Naming a Muni station after him and a posthumous Medal of Freedom award seem a little less than the respect he deserves; he deserves more. I can only imagine that your personal experience with him makes you more passionate on the issue, but I do envy you for having known him.

      Jan 20, 2014 at 10:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AuntieChrist
      AuntieChrist

      @BJ McFrisky: Harvey was great for getting people off the street and getting them involved…I was 17 and living dick to mouth so to speak so yea he even let me crash at his place and fed me from time to time,I spent a LOT of time handing out flyers. LOL

      Jan 20, 2014 at 11:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @AuntieChrist:

      And again BJ ignored the fact that he was corrected several times about his comments that only young hot guys are outed.

      If a person can’t even admit that they were wrong, that pretty much negates most of what they say.

      Jan 20, 2014 at 11:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • balehead
      balehead

      So much jealous stalker energy against him…

      Jan 20, 2014 at 2:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DShucking
      DShucking

      I think it’s pretty pathetic for a gay republican criticising gay men for being more interested in attractive looking gay men than unattractive looking gay men when most of the women on his beloved Foxnews were chosen primarily because they are considered attractive to their viewership.

      Jan 20, 2014 at 7:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • oldbrit
      oldbrit

      @Gordon: I’ll agree to that only if you agree that hiding in the closet while attacking gay people and opposing gay rights is a problem. He’s got a hidden motive and agenda. It’s always bad government to allow our elected officials to take positions for reasons they keep secret. Aaron Schock’s secret reason is that his political career would be destroyed because he built it on a lie. It’s not only fair game to out Schock, it’s required if we’re going to take good government seriously. The New York Times should be ashamed for not being up front and clear about Aaron Schock and his hidden motive for opposing gay rights.

      Mar 21, 2014 at 4:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • oldbrit
      oldbrit

      @2eo: Thank you for getting to the heart of the matter. I wasted far too many words to say what you said so succinctly: “I see no ethical, legitimate or even hypothetical reason to be against the outing of someone as odious and hurtful to his own brethren as this vile man is.”

      Mar 21, 2014 at 4:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • oldbrit
      oldbrit

      @balehead: How about providing us with a list of the 23 closet cases voting against gay rights? We’re here, we’re queer, and we’re waiting.

      Mar 21, 2014 at 4:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • oldbrit
      oldbrit

      @chaddyboy6: A public person’s private life becomes an issue when their private life collides with their public life. Whether an actor or news anchor is gay or lesbian friendly or antagonistic is news worthy when they step into the fray by expressing opinions on the topic, or by twisting the news in a gay friendly or gay antagonistic way. If a public figure says, “I love Spain!” It’s certainly reasonable to determine if they’ve ever been to Spain. If they say they love or loathe gay people, it’s reasonable to want to know what personal experience they’ve had with gays. The motivations behind the actions and public comments of public figures are always relevant.

      With elected officials, if they’re Republican, they’re running on the Republican Party Platform, which is anti-gay, so regardless if they support or oppose gay-rights legislation, or make public comments, they’re sexuality is an issue because they have declared their support for the Republican Platform when they decided to run as a Republican for elected office.

      It’s really this simple: If you’re a public figure who implicitly or explicitly takes a position on any issue, your experience with that issue becomes fair game.

      Closeted gay people may have to make sacrifices in their career choices if they want to remain in the closet, just like openly gay people may have to make career sacrifices to be out of the closet.

      So, if you’re a closeted Republican elected official, employed by a Republican or anti-gay political organization, and you expect to keep your closet private, you’d better find another line of work than elected official or preacher in an anti-gay religion.

      Under the circumstances stated above, if you get outed, you put that in motion yourself through your own behavior and career choice.

      We had an elected official in Dallas who was opposed to everything pro-gay and supported everything anti-gay, but came down to the gay bars to pick up boys on a regular basis. We didn’t out him. We blackmailed him. When a pro-gay city ordinance came up for a vote, we told him we were going to out him if he didn’t vote in favor of it. He voted in favor of the ordinance. It turned out this guy was a crook. A few months later, he was indicted and convicted of several felonies, had to resign, and went to prison.

      Mar 21, 2014 at 5:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • nudedude
      nudedude

      If he is gay, how sad that he hates himself so much that he backs legislation that suppresses the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Give the man the Roy Cohen award.

      Apr 19, 2014 at 7:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • andy0529
      andy0529

      TMZ outed this freak years ago, and If you live in certain area’s of DC you know he’s all ready out…..but like Clarence Thomas he’s a hero amongst his ilk (Ohio residents that vote against their own best interest) he will never have to worry about losing his seat. I think a lot you forgot that the person that came up with DOMA, DADT was a gay man who married his BF as was the person who advised Reagan on AIDS policy (marginalized people gays and drug addicts)and the bigots/homophobes Ken Melman and Matt Drudge.

      Apr 27, 2014 at 2:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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