Kicking off the final stretch of this election season, Senators Barack Obama and John McCain traded barbs and jabs in the first presidential debate last night.
Addressing the economy and the war in Iraq, neither man broke any new ground, not that that’s surprising for such an event, meant to reintroduce the candidates to voters and allow them to take on one another’s policies. And there are definitely plenty of differences, like how the government’s dwindling dough should be dispersed.
McCain played the tried and true Republican card of suggesting the government funded too many frivolous projects, while Obama reminded voters there are many unspoken programs that will miss out under a Republican administration. The Democrat then went on to blast McCain’s tacit approval of the Bush administration’s “orgy of spending:”
John, it’s been your president who you said you agreed with 90 percent of the time who presided over this increase in spending. This orgy of spending and enormous deficits you voted for almost all of his budgets. So to stand here and after eight years and say that you’re going to lead on controlling spending and, you know, balancing our tax cuts so that they help middle class families when over the last eight years that hasn’t happened I think just is, you know, kind of hard to swallow.
Obama came off stronger during the debate, repeatedly highlighting McCain’s misjudgment, telling him on multiple occasions, “You were wrong.” For his part, McCain relied largely on smug humor and tried to diminish Obama’s comments with grunting shrugs and smirks, as exhibited by this collection of cold exchanges:
Obama and McCain’s respective performances indicate an essential difference in the candidate’s approaches. For example, Obama spoke to the camera for much of the debate and watched McCain as his rival spoke. McCain avoided eye contact with the camera – an indicator of his detachment from the public – and gave Obama a cold shoulder during the Democrat’s responses. Then, at the end of the debate, Obama approached McCain to say “good job,” and McCain gave him only the minimum of acknowledgments. McCain came off cold and seemed a bit unsteady during the debate, while Obama remained poised and confident. Interestingly, as Michael Petrelis points out, Barack Obama addressed McCain as “John” over two dozen times. McCain never said “Barack.”
One a more irreverent note – do any of you remember when McCain brought up the bracelet a slain soldier’s mother gave him? Well, that spurred Barack to say, “I have a bracelet, too.” It was a small piece of political absurdity.
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Speaking of absurdity, on at least three occasions McCain simply didn’t answer the question, but instead spouted obvious observations. For example, when asked what lessons he has learned from the war in Iraq, the Republican replied, “I think the lessons of Iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy that will then cause you to nearly lose a conflict.” Oh, so we should go into a war with a failed plan? This is a maverick?
As for a “winner last night” – most people are giving the advantage to Obama, but others are decidely underwhelmed. What say you, reader? Did anyone come out on top last night?
liberal
Obama came out on top. He was calm and articulate but strong when he needed to be (like in pointing out all of McCain’s bold face lies).
McCain was twitchy, mean, condescending and spent the entire evening talking about nothing. Also did you notice he didn’t look at Obama once?
I thought it was a spectacularly bad showing for McCain and I’ll be interested to see if the polls don’t reflect that.
ChristopherM
I thought McCain only did badly for the first hour where it seemed he just woke up from a nap and was pissed off about it. He woke up and scored some points on the foreign policy stuff, but it could be that the impression of him was set by then. People have criticized Obama for not being aggressive enough, but I thought that point was a toss-up. He could have been more aggressive, but it would have lessened the contrast between him as a calm and assured leader and McCain as a cranky old coot.
Overall, I’d give Obama a SLIGHT edge, but even a tie on foreign policy is a loss for McCain.
anokie
Fot this to be an easy win for McCain, he didn’t, it is my opinion that Obama bested him on the overall debate. He passed the threshold of not only sounding presidential but looking it as well.
My only negative critisizm of Obama was on the “agrees with” and “your right” I wish that he would have contrasted the differences more during those exchanges. But presenting the “whole package” Obama won hands down.
Did you all notice that McCain NEVER looked at Obama, what was that all about and did you also notice that Obama was wearing a USA flag pin and McCain was not? hmmm…..? And, where the hell is his running mate Sarah Palin?…Joe Biden came out afterwards! To quote Letterman….”this smells”.
WickedGayBlog.com
Although I am a huge Obama supporter I thought they both did well. The thing that annoyed me with McCain was his constant twitching and laughing/giggling.
Obama on the other hand was too nice. I wanted him to go for the jugular!
Dave, WGB
Tom
McCain appears mentally unstable. If he is elected, get ready for volatility in every sphere of our lives. The current mortgage meltdown will look like a picnic.
mark
Obama swayed Independants, and McCain lost ground in Rasmussen poll.
Wait til Palin debate, the THUMPING becomes a LANDSLIDE, the last two presidential debates will not matter after the Palin TRAIN WRECK.
mark
All the talking heads who wanted Obama to really whack McCain aren’t good counsel to an African American candidate Historic election.
Obama knows EXACTLY what is best for his career, and beating Hillary was NO SMALL FEAT.
marco channing
Could McCain’s Facial Gestures Define Debate?
Keep in mind that McCain’s temper is legendary…
“F*ck you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room.”
–May 17, 2007, to Senator John Cornyn during a Senate hearing on immigration legislation. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/05/mccain_cornyn_cursing_showdown.html)
“At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt.”
–To his wife, Cindy McCain, during his 1992 Senate bid, after she noticed his hair was thinning. (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html)
The Smirk: Could McCain’s Facial Gestures Define Debate?
Nico Pitney and Sam Stein
HuffingtonPost.com
September 27, 2008
As the spin of Friday night’s debate settled in and both sides staked a claim to victory, one media narrative began to take hold: while Obama may have been over-complimentary of McCain, the GOP nominee was grumpy, mean, and downright contemptuous of Obama, much to his detriment.
A clip circulated by Democrats showed the McCain demonstrating all of those traits: smirking when Obama gave his answers, eyes blinking, unwilling to even look at his opponent.
It was a small visual, but one that seemed to be getting traction among the punditry. Charlie Gibson on ABC and David Brooks on PBS both noted that McCain didn’t look at Obama once. The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder wrote that McCain sounded “angry and passionate”; MSNBC’s Chris Matthews described the GOP nominee as “troll-like” and “grouchy.”
The episode was reminiscent, to some extent, of Al Gore’s sighs during the 2000 debate with George W. Bush. But more than that, it seemed to be a counterbalance to the first takeaway from the debate: mainly, that Obama had agreed too much and been too deferential to his opponent.
GOP aides giddily highlighted the several instances where Obama said he agreed with McCain. But Democrats warned that the move would backfire: while Obama appeared like a statesman, noting both when they agreed and disagreed, McCain refused to even look Obama in the eye.
Certainly the immediate, post-debate focus polls suggested that voters had soured on the Republican nominee’s performance. And both in private and in public, aides to Obama thought that the tics and smirks could resonate.
“The scowls and the squints and the facial tics of John McCain didn’t serve him well here,” said advisor Robert Gibbs, in the spin room.
Also, from a Talking Point Memo Reader…
As a psychotherapist and someone who treats people with anger management problems, we typically try to educate people that anger is often an emotion that masks other emotions. I think it’s significant that McCain didn’t make much, if any, eye contact because it suggests one of two things to me; he doesn’t want to make eye contact because he is prone to losing control of his emotions if he deals directly with the other person, or, his anger masks fear and the eye contact may increase or substantiate the fear.
I noticed him doing the same thing in the Republican primary debates. The perception observers are likely to have is that he is unwilling to acknowledge the opponent’s legitimacy and/or is contemptuous of the opponent.
mark
OCTOBER SUPRISE
Palin’s TRAIN WRECK debate pushes the McCain campaign to snowballing to the very GATES OF HELL.
Brandon
Mccain didn’t suck as bad as I expected him to, though he was ridiculously condescending. He kept starting every sentence w/ “Obama doesn’t understand. Obama doesn’t get it.” Obama is a highly successfull, educated and inteligent man not some schoolboy who can’t grasp his arithmetic.
Oh, and another thing about Mccain. Why did he have to turn the debate into STORYTIME?! Dear God, he almost put me to sleep, “Back in 1822 when I was a young lad I had to walk to war uphill both ways w/ only a cup of soup during a blisteringly hot blizzard” Jeez enough already! Ur old, u helped discover dinosaurs WE GET IT!
Though, I did find it funny when Obama attempted to match Mccain’s braclet story w/ one of his own. “A mother gave me a braclet too. For her son ..uh…..uh…Johnny Boberson…or somethin'” He totally forgot that kid’s name.lol
mark
Palin speech Saturday
“McCain/Palin will help you fill your energy tanks”
now shouldn’t that sentence end with “you US Americans?”
Charles Merrill
McCain made a point appealing to veterans about his being a POW 50 years ago in Viet Nam (yawn). I am sure young voters were not impressed. As an old voter, I certainly wasn’t.
gkruz
Obama certainly won on behavior, acting more the statesman, but I don’t really think many people will be swayed to change their vote from what they saw last night. For one thing, neither candidate dealt much with the economy (you remember, that money thing that’s melting down even as we speak), instead spending most of their time jousting over who was right about Iraq, Iran, etc. And there was certainly nothing about LGBT issues, surprise, surprise. But if the economy continues to implode, whoever gets in the White House in January may wish they never entered the race. And I’m still wishing I had a better choice.
marco channing
Queerty readers clearly do not understand international relations: We need to bomb, bomb, bomb the Iraq/Pakistan border, monitor Putin as he flies over Palin’s house, and be firm with our sanctions against Spain.
P.S. As a P.O.W., the veterens know that I love them, even though most of them support Obama. Did I mention that I was a P.O.W.?
P.O.W.
John
A few things that drew my attention:
More than once McCain said he’s against ethanol subsidies. Why didn’t he just say “F*ck you Iowa and your 7 electoral votes.” Bush won Iowa. Obama will win it this year. I guess McCain’s handlers have determined they have no chance there.
McCain sounded like an Israeli politician when talking about Iran and the Middle East and invoking the “Lieberman” card. His hard line on preconditions for negotiations, etc. echos standard Israeli policy. Too bad his vp choice’s antisemitism is hardly even beneath the surface. I think Florida must be in play.
My favorite zinger of the night was when Obama said he was proud of his choice of running mate. It was just too obvious to everyone, including McCain himself, that McCain could not truthfully say that. I think McCain said Palin is who people want. Seems he’ll do anything to try to get elected after all these years of trying. Too bad I don’t think its going to work. Virginia is leaning Obama again and that’s a must-win for McCain.
This debate showed what an idiot our current president is. Either one of these candidates would make a better president than Bush. However, since McCain has now saddled himself with Palin, I think everyone must do their best to secure Obama’s victory.
On Bill Maher last night Maher and Chris Rock talked about how Obama was the kind of black person white people could vote for. I hope that turns out to be true and irrational rational prejudice doesn’t win out.
CitizenGeek
I think Obama won the debate hands down. Even a draw on national security counts as a victory for Obama, right?
Chuck
I think Obama will win, especially after watching that debate. I thought it was the best I’ve seen of him and I agree with what he said.
However, this has become an election of indifference for me and many of my friends. It is a choice between two straight men both of whom essentially care about either straight old people or straight black people.
Most everyone I know from Ohio (where I was born) wants McCain, so if Barack wins, I’ll be happy that their prejudiced reasons got beaten.
If McCain wins, I can’t help but be somewhat happy because it would be great to see the media who I’ve seen ad nauseum be embarassingly for Obama. After what seems like years of watching “Campbell” Alma Brown practically have orgasms onscreen when Obama speaks, to The Cafferty File give a daily commercial for Obama daily since before the primaries; I would love to see their reaction to him losing and thus realizing that their careers are impotent.
So it has become a win, win for me. I was fervently pro Hillary and will probably go for Obama to counteract the bigots in Ohio. But no Obama supporter has ever answered one simple question that leaves me limp: why do you like him? They never have an answer. So I say to him what he said to Hillary, you’re likeable enough. But I’m not excited. Will you support gay marriage and universal health care? Do you support Reparations?
Peter Pan
Maybe Obama and McCain should watch this:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/187.html
seitan-on-a-stick
One pundit already compared the first debate to that of another famous debate. John Kennedy V Richard Nixon. If elections were won by debates, Senator Barack Obama is well on his way to a history-making presidency. However, Steven Schmidt and the Rovian Republicans will do ANYTHING to seize power once again.
Virginia needs canvassers and poll-watchers!
Paul & Nader
Spoil what? Waste what? Steal what?
Barack Obama we do not doubt your intelligence. To be an effective leader one must display honesty, compassion, & guts. Stand with Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, & Cynthia McKinney. NOT John McCain. Your choice – your move.
mark
McCain runs a big danger of signing the Bail Out, the rage level among fiscal Conservatives could very well give Libertarian Bob Barr’s campaign a huge boost, and weaken McCain in swing states, Obama already has him spending money that would be perfectly safe for BUSH.
Also you’ll notice the volume of the house Republicans against the Bail Out is gonna go on mute instantly, because a good percentage of House Republicans now HAVE to sign on to the agreement, or Pelosi won’t signal Democrats to vote on it.
Go Away
The last thing we need in this election is Ralph Nader. Nader cost Gore teh election in 2000 and set this country up for the worst presidency ever. I still can’t eat Ben & Jerry’s ice cream (not 100% true) because they supported him in 2000.
Nader is a narcisitic old curmudgeon who lives in a one-bedroom apartment in a boring part of DC and buys his clothes from a mail-order catalog. If you saw him on Bill Maher this past weekend you know its true.
On the other hand, Ron Paul gives a voter a chance to express, the smug, hateful, repressive, comtempt for those who are different that Sarah Palin offers, without the chance of voting for a viable candidate. So, I hope Republican voters will see the virture in voting for Ron Paul or that Baer guy from Georgia. Bloomberg is a great write-in too.
marco channing
Obama hit 50% in the Gallup poll today (and the Rassmussen poll as well). This is the third time Obama has hit 50% since the DNC.
McCain has dropped from 44% to 42%.
Guess we know who won the debate in the eyes of most Americans.
mark
the RISK LEVEL McCain has caused America,,,needs four more color levels
His selection of the most UNQUALIFIED person I’ve seen in 55 years of politics isn’t Country First, it’s Country SUICIDE.
If any Palin fanatic thinks she is getting within f*ckin 48 contiguous states of the Economy of America,(NOW!),and the National Security of America,(NOW!), or the Supreme Court,(NOW!)….oh HELL NO!
cellardoor
GKRUZ – The debate was to be centered specifically on foreign policy and national security issues, not social or economic issues. The second debate will include essentially everything, and the third will include domestic and economic policies. During the second one they will take questions from the internet, which is when you could ask your questions if you wanted.
The next debate, however, is the VP debate, which I am thoroughly looking forward to (no, proximity to a country you’ve never visited does NOT enhance your foreign policy credentials … )
mark
Preventing a Market crash globally took another 25 votes from Republicans, and fixing the devastation after the crash will take a DECADE.
Democrats did more than get their caucus votes to a horrendously unpopular bill which bails out BUSH.
Good Luck having Democrats come back to the table Boehner.
Barney Frank flip off the Repigs for me.
mark
MARKET CRASH….McCain and Boehner OWN IT!
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1210139/MarketCRASH.jpg