Barack Obama also had a bit of a bumpy weekend. Hoping to prevent any more holy calamities, like that of Hillary Clinton-bashing Michael Pfleger, the Democrat stepped down from his controversial church, Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ.
Said the Senator,
It’s clear that now that I’m a candidate for president, every time something is said in the church by anyone associated with Trinity, including guest pastors, the remarks will imputed to me even if they totally conflict with my long-held views, statements and principles. I have no idea how it will impact my presidential campaign but I know it was the right thing to do for me and my family.
Though politically expedient, Obama made clear that he did not made the decision “lightly” and was filled with sadness over the decision. He also made clear that would not – and could not – denounce the church. And, it seems to us, he shouldn’t be asked to – people should be able to say whatever they’d like while they worship.
Despite the hiccup, Obama’s campaign seems on the fast track to the Democratic nomination. The candidate’s a mere 44 delegates away from the finish line and announced that his post-primary rally will take place in Minneapolis St. Paul, where John McCain’s meant to accept the Republican nomination. The primary’s are drawing to a close, but the psychological war continues. And it’s going to be a rager!
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fredo777
Not his most flattering angle. lol
Anyway, I wish he had stepped away from his church before Wright got so much press. If he gets the nom, he gets my vote. I will not vote for McCain or for Barr (not quite ready to get over his “homosexual agenda” nonsense).
CHURCHILL-Y
Is this the yes we can, “inspiration/change”-so called progresive?
or just a thug that perfected his act in chicago?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Ned5TQoW4
judge for yourselves.
And for anyone who thinks he is any better on the” Homosexual Agenda”, take a look:
http://www.obamameeksrecord.wordpress.com/
NObama
ChristopherM
Before anyone follows any link Churchill-y posts, they might want to check out his “comments” in the Ferraro thread last week. You’re going to need much more than a grain of salt afterward.
24play
Yeah, Churchill-y was banned from Towleroad for racist comments weeks ago.
We all know why he ain’t votin’ for Obama.
Charley
I am glad he resigned. No telling who would show up next. I thought Wright and last one, the white priest was a scream. People must go to that church for entertainment. Maybe I will drop by the next time I am in Chicago. Just for a giggle and pot luck social gathering.
Thomas Delayed
The fact that people are being banned for being racist on websites really translates into those that have not drank the kool aid.
Obama is an empty suit. Black churches have been the most homophobic for the last 20 years.
By this time next year, everyone will be a racist that doesn’t support every decision Obama makes. This, my friends, is the reason he will never get elected. He is more divisive than Bush. If you don’t think so…..just look at the people getting kicked off blogs
fredo777
Thomas, that’s a load of crap. There have been plenty of detractors + anti-Obama posts that haven’t resulted in banning from blogs (such as this one). Furthermore, not every “racist” post has anything to do w/ Obama. If someone chooses to spread a lot of hateful garbage, though, it’s no more Obama’s fault than it is Bush’s fault when his supporters attack those who dislike him.
Paul
Thomas Delayed has nailed it right on the head! Stunning how Obama-maniacs label people a “racist” the instant they disagree with their Chosen One.
I’m white – he’s black – I don’t like him and guess what – it doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with race! It has to do with the fact that he is a opportunistic double-talker that will say and do anything – just like any other politician – to get his ass elected!
I believe that he and his wife are blatant racists and he will ultimately be crushed in the General Election!
For the first time in my life I will happily and proudly vote Republican!
Kick his ass John McCain!
ChristopherM
I love how Obama supporters are maniacs who have drank the Kool-Aid in comparison to the very rational and thoughtful people who would vote against all their own interests and keep our people getting slaughtered daily in Iraq because they didn’t get their way at the polls.
fredo777
Paul, you’re full of as much crap as Thomas is, I’m afraid. You just claimed that “all” politicians are opportunistic double-talkers (which would include McCain), yet you’d vote Republican just to go against Obama. Sounds pretty suspect to me.
M Shane
Fredo777 unfortunately that’s the thoughtless mentality that has the U.S in the shithole we’re in around the world and right here. It’s just terribly bad that there are people who can vote but not read or think abstractly.
In any case, Obama continues to impress us with his ability to confront unanticipatec issues and to do the hard things with grace and determination, I think that even Rupert Murdock , who I usually hate, said that Obama is a “very intelligent man”.. When you look at how he handles things he really never fails to impress. Clinton looks like a real dingbat, next to him.
bobito
Damn, all this stuff about the black churches throwing the gays under the bus! Guys, have you checked out the white churches lately? Far from throwing us under the bus, they are all for hunting us down, lining us up & shooting us. Back when AIDS was ravaging the gay community, the people who were gleefully calling it “God’s righteous punishment” on the airwaves where white & whiter. The preachers who called the September 11 attacks and/or Hurricane Katrina “God’s righteous punishment” for sinful America/New Orleans not hunting down, lining up and shooting us all were white.
WAKE UP, dammit! The churches, regardless of color, do not have good intentions for us. Deal with it. If Obama has left his current church, so much the better. I dream of the day when we have serious presidential contenders who can openly say they aren’t Christian. I’d vote for that one, regardless of the color of skin or the sexual organs they possess. (Disclaimer: if they are worshippers or Allah or Jehovah, they don’t get my automatic vote for not being Christian, either)
bobito
Damn typo: should read “worshippers of Allah or Jehovah”
mea culpa
hisurfer
Bobito, I would love it if all candidates were forced to resign from their church (or whatever congregation they belong to) before running for office!
Simon F
I really hate the implication from other Democrats who are pro-Obama for the nomination that because I don’t like Obama I must be racist. It basically means I can’t criticize Obama, because if I do, I’m a racist in your eyes. I’ve seen people making comments towards Obama critics, saying how they’re talking through a ‘hateful lens’ and how it’s just racism in the gay community – that isn’t an argument, it’s a way to shut down debate. No-one wants to be labeled a racist, and labeling someone as such is a good way to try and keep them quiet. I hate racism as much as the next person, and my problems with Obama stem from the man, not the man’s skin tones.
Queerty has been so flagrantly pro-Obama and viciously anti-Clinton, in fact some posts may come across as sexist. Somehow sexism is more acceptable in this race, and that perturbs me quite honestly. Having a bit of balance wouldn’t have gone amiss, unless Queerty had just stated for the record that the editorial team was endorsing Obama.
FWIW: my problems with Obama stem from the vague platform of “hope” and “change” which is maintained while not directly speaking out on specific issues in enough firmness to get a point across. It feels to me as trying to please everybody, and that’s evidenced in that almost all Obama supporters I have talked to see a completely different “good” thing in Obama. He almost feels to me like a clean slate, a blank canvas, which each Democrat can, at this point, impose their own feelings and ideals onto. And that concerns me because it means he hasn’t been fully tested yet. And a candidate who hasn’t been fully tested, in my view, is not yet ready to take on the office of President. < An opinion on why I do not want to vote for Obama, which has nothing to do with his race.
I would never vote for McCain. But I might vote for a third candidate. I haven’t decided yet. And unless Obama can say something that feels definitive to me before the general election, I would be more likely to go for a third candidate.
Bob
Thank you, Simon. You’ve perfectly summed up my experiences as a Clinton supporter (I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been called a racist) and why I too have problems with Obama that will likely keep me from voting for him in November.
CHURCHILL-Y
The reason Obama said he left his church was because get this, he didn’t want the people in it being harassed by the media! He gave a rats ass about the vitriol/racism/black liberation theology being spewed from the pulpit and applauded by the congregation.
Pfleger, wasn’t just another hateful preacher giving a sermon on trinity church. He has been a friend/spiritual adviser of Barack for many years. None of the people being brought up are just mere bigots who have walked through the doors of that church, all of the ones being named have been involved in thrusting Hussein into the political arena.
Every time I have posted something I have backed it up with a link. Why is it that you Obama supporters are never able to refute with the same instead of calling me a racist?
I know why because that’s your new drive-by tactic. Well it may have work this time but lets see 5 more months of those ambush assaults when all the other sh-t starts to flow.
NObama!!!
Thomas Delayed
I think the response to my post prove my point.
I am part of this group of millions who are just now finding out for the first time in our life we are racist.
Based on that, I assume all Obama supporters are sexist.
Where you guys are missing the point is that as every day passes we see more and more how divisive he is.
It will be up to Hillary Clinton to bring the party together..you know Hillary “the bitch” “the crybaby” “the racist” “the woman with the crazy husband, “the woman who pimps out her daughter” ….this horrible woman that all the Obama pundits have created.
I hope when she is asked to help she give a big FUCK YOU to all the motherfucking kool aid drinkers. If Obama is the second coming, he should be able to bring the party together while walking on water, turning water into wine.
Ron Paul will be the only candidate left with a lick of sense.
I wonder what you guys would be saying if Father Sissypants would have pretended to be Obama and said…”Oh I am black so I am entitled to this…because I am a black man and we have been put down by white people for so long that I deserve this for no other reason than my skin is half black..you should ignore my lack of experience….and the fact that I voted “present” over 100 times.
Jeez…..people ..
fredo777
That you would call Obama’s actions divisive while championing Clinton is laughable, really.
Mark
I’m of the same mind as Simon, though I’ve come to the conclusion that I could vote for McCain given that he’ll face a Democratic House and Senate majority. As far as Iraq goes, it seems that Senator Obama has voted for all the funding that Bush has asked for, which to me is just like supporting the war in Iraq. If he doesn’t have the backbone to vote no, then he doesn’t really have the argument that he was “always against the war.” Otherwise, I don’t like him as a Presidential candidate because we’ve just had 8 years of a guy who needed training wheels to take the office, and Obama is even less experienced. Further, I do believe his 20 year association with Trinity is a problem, I don’t feel any need to “understand” the black church b/c no hateful thing that’s been reported from any of them needed any parsing to be understood by me. I pretty much get it. If all or any of that makes me a racist (and oh, doesn’t that label get thrown easily by the Obamabots!), then so be it. I’d rather be a racist with a clear conscience than a party hack with a doubting mind.
fredo777
Another cliche to add to the list: the notion that even rational, logical supporters of Obama must be labeled as “Obamabots” + “Obamanuts”. Surely, they couldn’t be capable of free thought if they support this candidate + must be hypnotized or drinkers of poisoned Kool-Aid.
Rubbish.
Madonna's Boy
Queens WAKE-UP…McSlain is your enemy! A vote for McSlain is a vote for another Bush term, more anti-gay judges and legislation, more war, more tax cuts for the rich…Hillary is voting for Obama!!!
Madonna's Boy
Here is what McSlain is all about…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
To All the Bitter Ones
Ok y’all. Let’s have some clarifications here. Opposing Obama does not make you racist. Screaming about black churchs being homophobic while ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of voters who passed state gay marriage bans were NOT black makes you delusional and stupid. Again, not racist. Using churchill-y’s tactic of “I put words in your mouth then accuse you of persecuting me” is bitter, loser, low rent, manipulative, pathetic, covert (as in republican mascarading as angry gay democrat to stir trouble) and pointless. But gurl, you are not racist thank god. Console yourself on that fact!
CHURCHILL-Y
Oh Mr C aka To All the Bitter Ones, Who are you fooling with the lets all get along and “overwhelming majority” farse? You of all people should bite your tongue and retract younger fingers when talking or writing about devisiveness. Yes blacks are a minority, who should know better than to discriminate against another group of people who they deem as not worthy of the same protections they have been granted. And I’m not talking about the homophobia that goes on black churches:
http://www.queerty.com/gay-democrats-must-move-beyond-impotent-delegate-goals-20080514/3/
http://www.queerty.com/are-dncs-black-leaders anti-gay-20080124/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/13/17299/3193
http://www.queerty.com/dnc-chiefs-gay-promises-mean-little-20080428/
Don’t expect this hypocrite to respond, and if he does you all know what he’s gong to write folks RACISM.
Bitch Republic
It’s obvious from the way the congregation is cheering along with Wright and Pfleger in the video clips that the majority of them agree with their comments. Also, I’m pretty sure this kind of thing was the norm rather than the exception, so I don’t believe for a second that Obama attended that church for over 20 years without holding similar views as Wright and Pfleger.
Bitch Republic
Oh, and the fact that Michelle Obama said she was never proud of her country before the people voted for Barack, that also proves that she holds similar views as those expressed by these “Reverends.”
RPCV
B. Hussein Obama decides to leave Trinity only when it is politically expedient. We still have no clue as to why he and his hate-filled wife sat in the pews for years listening to Reverends Wright, Pfleger, and who knows how many others, spew their venom.
As regards Trinity and others like it, since when was church a place to spew political venom and racial hatred? Seems these Black Liberation theologians/followers need to be watched by the FBI as dangerous to our national security.
No wonder there’s so much violence, despair, and death in the black community; with all those Black Liberation church-goers leaving the sacred confines of a “place of worship†full of hatred, resentment and retaliation, they’re helping me prove my point on other posts that Blacks=Hatred=Violence=Death. There is absolutely no other plausible explanation for the disaster of the black community at large. Period.
McCain ‘08 – and that’s sealed now that the Dems have thrown Hillary under the bus, and B. Hussein Obama has shown his true colors.
Afroguapo
+ 1 To All the Bitter Ones. I think you’re right. It’s the classic divide and conquer strategy and used to foment trouble and dissension. It makes sense too because Church and RPCV always take it to such inappopriate levels and go for the shock jock effect (e.g., Church calling a black poster a chimpanzee on one thread and RPCV talking his nonsense about national security issues).
Afroguapo
I WISH QUEERTY HAD A TERMS OF SERVICE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE AND LEGITIMATE DEBATE, RATHER THAN ROGUE POSTERS/OPERATIVES HERE TO CREATE TENSION OR CRAZY GAY PEOPLE WITH SOME AXE TO GRIND.
RPCV
Afroguapo: What is it about my posting that is sooo offensive as to require impinging on my 1st amendment right to freedom of speech? Seems the congregants in Black Liberation-based churches are the ones who “create tension” (to quote your posting above) in society and are the ones who spew racism and hatred.
By the way, your name is an oxymoron.
CHURCHILL-Y
I’m sure you would love to do away with any dialogue that isn’t to your liking Afroguapo. To anyone else who doesn’t know, trace Mr C’s posts and judge the kind of language that he uses. But of course those types of comments are fine by Afroguapo because as with everything else that he writes about there seems to be a double standard to him. TE AMO
RPCV
The bottom line is that blacks can say anything and will not be challenged because white people have swallowed the Kool Aid that we need to respect minorities and differences of others regardless how offensive or negative it is. Blacks have more rights in this society than do whites, but they just don’t know it or get it!! All the while, they continue to perpetrate their hatred, violence and, ultimately, crime on society as a whole.
Afroguapo
R: I don’t condone by any stretch of the imagination what SOME of these pastors say. However, check out the Bill Moyer’s interview with Wright rather than reducing everything to a 30 second sound bite in order to make an informed decision and not just incendiary comments to elicit responses. You resort to hyperbole and gross exaggeration rather than stating anything credible. Blacks=Hatred=Violence=Death??? I mean really. If anything, the bulk of black violence perpetuated is committed against other blacks. And these church-going blacks who are anti-gay because of what the bible says are no different from the church going bible thumping whites. You’re here to fan the flames, plain and simple. And what about all the gay bashing that white people commit against gays? That seemingly is missing from your equation and I don’t see that many homophobic blacks maiming and killing gays like their white counterparts. You know nothing about Trinity and its works except from what you saw on youtube and they are dealing with real issues (poverty, drug addiction, hiv/aids, unemployment) not even remotely related to you.
Church: Mr C certainly uses coarse language and profanity from time to time but what I have noticed consistently is that when he GOES there, it’s invariably in response to someone like you, RPCV, RickRoberts, etc. baiting him and being a provocateur. He’s not the instigator. Yes, he shouldn’t stoop to your level (I know I never get in the gutter with you) but you are the “but for” cause of his actions, so when you call him a Harlem Chimpanzee, that is when he says “meet me in DC so I can take care of your punk ass”. That you don’t see that Queerty has allowed you unfettered access to provoke, offend and denigrate is beyond me and it’s completely disruptive. If Bill Perdue has problems posting his alternet sites b/c it’s not allowed, you certainly should be admonished to abide by a terms of service so the conversation doesn’t devolve into the morass you always want to take it. I am certainly fine with dialogue I don’t agree with (Steve and I have debated and he keeps it classy and above board always). Constructive debate is good, being common and nasty is not. Entiendes?
Mr C
Thanks Afro,
By the way I don’t lead racist rants. I only RE-ACT to the ACTIONS of people as such. Not all the time. But after while you just cannot respond intellectually. They just take you there sometimes.
And I choose to go and shut it down. I am a Man of my word and not scared to say it. Everybody isn’t prejudice at all. But when you go after an entire race of people, politics has nothing to do with it. That is a GUT FEELING that has always been there.
Remember a Re-action is only a response from an ACTION!
noah
“Black churches have been the most homophobic for the last 20 years.”
–Really, where’s your proof? Obama’s former church was very gay friendly. The Rev. Wright supports gay marriage.
Are you really going to make people believe that the Catholic Church isn’t homophobic? I thought that the Pope was pretty vocal about his anti-gay feelings. That whole banning any gay priests and denouncing of gay marriage sorta sealed the deal for me.
Moreover, this ridiculous “black church” meme is pretty racist in that it pretends that all African-American majority churches are the same. I think a Baptist would disagree that his church is different from an Apostolic or Catholic church.
Moreover, it’s nice to pretend that the “black church” has power but that’s bull. The evangelical churches (led by Rev. James Dobson, or Rev. Pat Robertson, the Mormon faith (which excommunicates gays and actively works against pro-gay laws in many cases), and, of course, the Catholic Church hold more sway over American society.
Seriously, reading about the terrible, might “black church” is a joke.
Also, calling Barack Obama a “thug” is such a nicely coded racist slur. As if you can point to any evidence of Obama having acted in a thuggish manner either literally or figuratively.
Finally, I said it before, why bother to engage in conversation with Chur–? He’s obviously not quite right. He’s a racist. There’s nothing else to say about or to him. People like that should be shunned.
Thomas Delayed
Noah
Thanks for proving my point with this comment..
nicely coded racist slur AND He’s a racist AND
meme is pretty racist
So in one post, you played the racist card three times. Perhaps if you want to see a fucking racist you should go look in the mirror.
RPCV
Thomas Delayed: Keep it up bro. You be right on point. I be aksin you how you do it so damn good, you know what I mean??