Yeah, and Log Cabin Republicans were pointing out all the queer employees of the McCain campaign too, and saying that McCain Loved The Gays.

This sort of rhetoric, quoted above, only underscores that on gay issues — as with so many others, there’s not a thin penny’s difference between the Demopublicans and the Republicrats on LGBT issues IN PRACTCE.

Oh sure, the rhetoric varies, but at the end of the day, “liberals” like Joe Biden vote for DOMA, and throw gays under the bus just like Mitt Romney, Pat Buchanan and Dubya. The only difference is that at least the Republican bigots are honest about their opinions and don’t lie to gay people to get their money and votes.

People weren’t saying this in 2002 to George W. Bush. People wouldn’t be saying this now, if McCain had won the election instead of Obama.

I vomit at the double-standard here. ALL homophobia should be smacked down vigorously, and without conciliatory excuses to Democrats that wouldn’t be made to Republicans.

Well. as I see it, the Dems are already planning for the 2012 election and cannot get to comfy with the gays or they will not win…so they think.

If every LGBT Democrat voter had stayed home in November, McCain would have won and Obama would have lost.

If every LGBT Democrat voter had voted third party, McCain would have won and Obama would have lost.

If every LGBT Democrat voter had voted Republican, McCain would have won handily and Obama would have lost decisively.

Gay Democrats should consider their options in the next election cycle to send the Democrats a message. The administration is operating no differently on LGBT issues than McCain would have — heck, I doubt McCain would have been nasty enough to invite a ranting homophobe to the inauguration, frankly.

The Dems will lose because the Repubs are so good at destroying them.

If the Dems want my respect, they’s act more Repub-like when dealing with the Repubs; conquer and destroy.

Sure it is great Obama and the country seems tire of all the games that the Repubs have been playing, but guess what, they will keep playing them and gaining power when they are the minority.

The problem is, the people forget how the Repubs treated B. Clinton and how Newt Gingritch was sooo good, along with all his friends, at looking good, while accusing Clinton of the same immorals he was practicing.

The games will change in poltics in one or two of the following ways:

1. all the old white men die off
2. a third party is allowed to run and be elected

This may take many decades.

Let’s get real. Barack Hussein Obama II was raised by his white mother, S. Ann Dunham and her parents. The culture that they inculcated, his speech, and his intellectual and career pursuits, all of it comes from Caucasians. That bi-racial reality is lost because of Dred Scott and Chief Justice Roger B. Taney.

Remember the comment,” Is he black enough?” Of course not. What he knows about AA culture at upper middle class professionals, is what he learned from Michelle Robinson Obama.

Barack understands AA culture and especially the phenomenom called the “down low”. He knows the antipathy within the AA secular AND evangelical community (right wing) that is anti-gay, this despite Coretta Scott King’s words. Heck, her daughter, Bernice, is an evangelical anti-gay mouthpiece. Her two brothers and late sister agreed with their parents.

So, if Obama listened to Bill “DOMA/DADT” Clinton, he needed a Sister Solja moment to punk his LGBT base, and found it. Rick Warren also stopped the 24/7 Rod BLAGOJEVICH controversy too.

We want to see Obama’s birth certificate, NOW! We also want to know his current citizenship, NOW!

The US does not need an usurper puppet, complete with his own Obama youth, to cause unimaginable mayhem in the US or world as a whole. Obama is not ellegible to become president. So all the babble about a GAY band taking part in his illegal inauguration is just babble! Obama is a crook and more.

Is it possible to have gay “Uncle Toms”? I guess it is.

Yeah, Barack Obama doesn’t like gay people.

http://www.rense.com/general71/gaycancer.htm

Are you merely acting in the capacity of informant…

or passing along your personal proscription?

If it is the latter, it is heinous and has no place on this thread, on this site, or in this country.

Go back to Iran.

Do not pass go.

Do not collect $200.

Once is a mistake. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.

Try doing some research with reputable sources.

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm

We’re adults… presumably educated adults — and we’re mudslinging?

My momma used to say, “If you haven’t got anything nice to say, shut-up.”

Get along… or get going.

ps. being called trash by an evil twisted old tranny like you, is a compliment.

Happy Holidays!

My conclusion is that no main stream American politician or party is really interested in our rights. A point that is made over and over again here and elsewhere is that with all the shit going down now our rights seem to not even make the top 10 list of most important things to address right at the moment. Fine, I get that, but do we have to be so gratuitously insulted while we wait? We did give Mr. Obama our money, our time, our vote (save the racist 27% of log cabinet wingnuts) would it have been so wrong for just one day to have let his base actually celebrate a new way of doing things? I know you cerebral types have this all down to inclusion and smart politics, but in reality it doesn’t feel that way. Not to me anyway. So what do you do with that feeling?

Well, I quit all the political organizations I have been supporting for years, the DNC, Move On, True Majority. I registered as an independent, because in the clear light of history I understand that in this country, unlike France, Canada or the Netherlands, human rights aren’t important and my human rights are insignificant.

Even though for years I was sucked into believing the Dems where my team I see very clearly now they hate the fags just as much as every one else. It’s the fag haters you need to get on your side in this country ultimately, because as every one knows, fags are easy. Promise them the world give them nothing and they’ll still vote for you!

So fine, it’s time American diversified. We need three if not 4 parties here with a larger, more diverse representation of the actual political spectrum in this country.

It’s not going to happen, but it makes me feel better to know I have finally woken up to the reality that neither existing political party gives a flying fuck about me unless it’s to use me as a wedge issue.

America is, much to my chagrin, a deeply religious, bigoted, conservative, country and we are not going to change that any time soon. People hate us. The DNC hates us for making so much noise, so now they are turning the play book around on us and making our cries seem unwarranted and selfish. I hear over and over again here and elsewhere “look at the bigger picture” and you know what I do and I don’t see myself in the bigger picture not now not in a year not in 8 years, because I’m just not important. It’s why Regan let us die.

It’s why Bush flew over the Quilt in a helicopter on his way out of town on the day it was unfurled.

Because they could get away with it. And they continue to do so Mr. Obama being the newest one to carry along the tradition.
The only time the lgbt community has ever gotten anything was to take to the streets (Stonewall, ACT-UP)

Obama says:”I’m the biggest supporter of the LGBT community” and others, here have reiterated it.

Please all you enlightened people here would you do me a favor?
Would you tell me in concrete terms, maybe a list of say 3 things Obama has ever done for the LGBT community?
I can’t seem to find anything.

And for those inevitable comments about how silly and emotional this may all seem to you, I think you miss the point. I am a gay man living in America, I wanted to share in the hope. As of yesterday that possibility ended.

Say what you will but this is how I feel. Stupid really for to have gotten my hopes up for some change I could believe in.

Oh yeah as for his cabinet not so concerned about the lgbt content but it would be nice if maybe he wouldn’t do things like appoint agribusiness toady Vilsack to run the already overwhelming agribusiness staffed dept. of agriculture. Yeah I think that’s a GREAT idea let the agribusinesses regulate themselves while collecting a salary from the federal government!

What a lying sack of shit.

You’re in your little queer internet activist blogosphere box. Step outside of it sometime and see the rest of the world. Your average gay person didn’t give a fuck about Donnie McClurkin.

And for fuck’s sake, how the fuck is that a reason to vote for JOHN MCCAIN of all people?! LMAO!! You want me to run down the list of some of his friends and supporters? They make McClurkin look like Harvey Fierstein.

Get the fuck out of my face.

And Obama’s actions prove we were right. Obama craves the approval of bigots. It’s an old habit of his, one he refuses to CHANGE.

That would be the case if we were talking about President-elect Hillary. But it’s not. The gay community never really liked Obama in the first place and couldn’t wait for a chance to kick him in his ass. That’s why John McCain secured more of the gay vote (27%) than any Republican candidate in history.

And if Barack Obama doesn’t repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and get rid of DOMA in his first term, the Republican candidate in 2012 will have an even higher percentage. Cause they don’t trust that boy and he has to prove himself.

As for Rick Warren, the most obvious explanation to me would be that he got this essentially meaningless bit part in the inauguration simply because of that forum during the campaign. Or maybe it’s a friendship thing. Or maybe Obama really *does* think like Jeremiah Wright and this is the closest he’ll admit to right now. Or maybe the rest of the committee picked Warren and he has more important stuff to worry about than nitpicking their selections.

Or any of a dozen other possibilities. But the proof of a president is in what they do once they take office: what bills and executive orders they sign and so forth. Which since he won’t even take office for another month has been exactly nothing. Why do so many want to not only assume the worst, but insist on it as if it were proven true?

And to whoever said they never give anyone a second chance: I’d like to meet some perfect people myself. Where did you find them?

“When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes.”

“Kill the one who is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to.”

Homosexuality is assumed to be a corruptive force to Muslim societies and that humans are not homosexuals by nature. Only by environment do these immoral ideas form. Islam states that the desire for same sex partners is a choice that can easily be controlled. These people deviate from the norm and should be treated like any other criminal who threatens tradition. The practice is also feared because it is associated with AIDS.

“Homosexuality is a moral disorder, a sin and corruption… No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education… Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood and leads to the destruction of family life.” (Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, Islamic Society of North America)

The penalties for homosexuality range from flogging, imprisonment, or execution by throwing the criminal off a cliff or pushing a stone wall onto them. There is no leniency or forgiveness as shown in the 4,000 homosexuals which have been killed in Iran since 1979.

Obama has no solution to the key problems of unchecked bigotry, economic collapse and the US genocide from Palestine to Pakistan. In fact he’s going to make it worse. He’s forming a right centrist government.

Hillary Clinton’s appointment as Secretary of State is another sure sign that the war will escalate. Hillary Clinton is a war hawk who’s even further to the right than Obama, the bigot who made sure we lost on Prop 8 by telling all the other bigots that ‘god’s in the mix’ Add a Robert Gates, a few Sam Nunn’s and Colin Powell’s and you’ve got a formula for disaster. Obama plans to continue attacks on the Palestinians, supporting apartheid, stay in Iraq, menace Iran, ramp up the murder of civilians in Afghanistan and continue cross border raids into Pakistan and probably Syria.

We lost in California, Arizona and Florida because Obama, in his non-stop pandering to the christians, galvanized, organized and empowered the bigot vote. His continued insistence that their (and his) bigotry was OK because “god’s in the mix” brought out the Euroamerican bigot vote in explosive numbers. Given that this latest insult with the man who introduced him to the bigots who voted us out and him in isin’t surprising at all.

On the economic front Obama has already sided with the bailout for the rich retards who wrecked the economy, which now totals about $8.5 trillion dollars. Of that not a will go to working people who fell victim to predatory mortgages, car loans and credit cardsharks, to greening the economy or to repair of the infrastructure.

Obama’s White House economic director will be Lawrence Summers. This is very bad news indeed. While Summers ran Harvard he enraged environmentalists and anti-racists by signing a document that said “developed countries ought to export more pollution to developing countries because these countries would incur the lowest cost from… people made ill or killed by the pollution.” Then he said “the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable.”

The Bush wing of the rightwing is pleased that the Obama wing of the rightwing will carry on their policies.

“Virtually perfect … “ — Senator Joe Lieberman, former Democrat and John McCain’s top surrogate in the 2008 campaign.

“Reassuring.” – Karl Rove, Bushbrain.

“I am gobsmacked by these appointments, most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain …” — Max Boot, neocon McCain staffer.

“I see them as being sort of center-right of the Democratic party.” – James Baker, Reagan’s Secretary of State

“Surprising continuity on foreign policy between President Bush’s second term and the incoming administration … certainly nothing that represents a drastic change in how Washington does business. The expectation is that Obama is set to continue the course set by Bush … “ – Michael Goldfarb of the neoconservative Weekly Standard.

“I certainly applaud many of the appointments … ” – Senator John McCain

Hillary Clinton will be “outstanding” as Secretary of State — Henry Kissinger, war criminal

“The country will be in good hands.” – Condoleezza Rice, war criminal

Fasten your seat belts… The American economy is going to have a high speed train wreck. The ‘recession’ is now official. The markets are whipsawing but trending down. And the Pentagon announced it’s going to deploy more troops in the US as the situation gets less settled.

Quotes from AlterNet story 109160

Wonderful. Important. Decisive. Politics in action; but only for for children.

Obama did all that too. The fact is that the hope and change Clintons and Hopey Obama have the same bigoted views on same sex marriage – they’re against it because they’re superstition driven bumpkins.

Hillary made it as far as the State Dept, where she’ll to continue the genocide in Iraq begun by Bill Clinton and escalated by Cheney/Rove/Bush. Hillary wants to attack Iran and Hopey’d rather attack nuclear armed Pakistan. Not much sanity at State or the Whate House. LBJ and Nixon are smirking in their graves.

I said again and again: Obama is not a true LGBT supporter. He has avoided gay people, gay magazines and gay parades like the plague all his life.

HILLARY was the only true LGBT supporter we had in the presidential election. But you guys didn’t vote for her.

This self-image is zealously guarded and maintained…it seems a psychological necessity–in the face of cold hard facts that belie it–namely that the “poor” are generally quite conservative…especially when it comes to religion. Few things irk the liberal soul more than this glaring truth. They deal with it in a variety of ways. The emphasis on “awareness” and “sensitivity training” among liberals is, I think, one outgrowth of this concern. The problem, they persuade themselves, is not that liberalism/revisionism is bankrupt and unworkable (and therefore unpopular), it is just that people are “uneducated”…they have yet to be enlightened…they still are too ignorant to “get it” but once they do we can take our proper roles as the people’s vanguard.

The thrust of this particular vanity tends to run headlong into just the sort of paternalism, racial and otherwise, that they claim to despise and oppose…bearing in many ways a quite distinct similarity with the infamous “white man’s burden”…

But what happens when those who “stoop low” to help the “uneducated” find that the “ignorant” masses reject the lessons of their betters? What happens when, say, the minority vote makes up a large percentage of the voting electorate that defeated Proposition 8 in California?

Rage. Blinding, ugly, disgusting rage.

However, Obama has done a lot to undermine support and raise suspicions about how committed he is to LGBT issues.

If he delivers on something big, that could quickly turn around.

When I first read about the Warren thing yesterday I was genuinely shocked and upset but wasn’t angry until I started reading comments from straights on some of liberal blogs I frequent. It mostly came down to a lot of straights belittling and dismissing those gays that expressed anger and dismay at the choice.

Symbolically it is a big deal to have a filthy bigot like Warren in such a prominent platform as the inauguration. And that seems totally lost on Obama and his staff. And on a lot of straight ‘allies.’

The LGBT community does need to find a way to get its act together and ensure these kinds of slights and insults don’t continue in the future and even more that concrete and fundamental changes to ensure full citizenship rights are achieved.

Being a relatively tiny minority we are unfortunately dependent on the assistance of often unreliable, fair weather allies.

At the same time, I would like to challenge those who don’t seem the least bothered by any of Obama’s sidestepping of the gay demographic: if McCain had made the EXACT same moves, would YOU not now be screaming righteous indignation of the high heavens?

Just a thought.

“On some positions, Cowardice asks the question, “Is it safe?” Expediency asks the question, “Is it politic?” And Vanity comes along and asks the question, “Is it popular?” But Conscience asks the question “Is it right?” And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right”

“We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”

“You know my friends, there comes a time when people get tired of being trampled by the iron feet of oppression … If we are wrong, the Supreme Court of this nation is wrong. If we are wrong, the Constitution of the United States is wrong. And if we are wrong, God Almighty is wrong. If we are wrong, Jesus of Nazareth was merely a utopian dreamer that never came down to Earth. If we are wrong, justice is a lie, love has no meaning. And we are determined here in Montgomery to work and fight until justice runs down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

And for those of you who wonder why the United States is in the state it is in, for those who believe bank accounts and economy are more important than human dignity this is for you.

“Don’t let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America “you are too arrogant, and if you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name. Be still and know that I’m God. Men will beat their swords into plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war anymore.” I don’t know about you, I ain’t going to study war anymore.”

We can stand in silence, we can make excuses for our leaders and justify their behaviours but by doing so we just keep pouring water on top of a sinking ship.
America’s is near bankruptcy because it is spiritually and morally bankrupt and as
long as we as gay people do not rise up we are only contributing to that bankruptcy.

…staffed his cabinet with nothing but heterosexuals.

Boo hoo. Yeah, that’s a big step backwards for SURE.