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Obama’s Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett’s Senior Advice: Stop Bothering Us About DADT

Valarie Jarrett, the senior adviser to President Obama (and “the most powerful person in the White House apart from the President”), was in Pennsylvania today for Netroots Nation, the annual conference for progressives put together by the DailyKos folks. She was asked about the president’s position on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act. She responded. With boilerplate, stock answers. As expected. The gist: Beg your congressman to support the repeal of these policies, and stop bothering us.

Democratic Rep. Patrick Murphy, the Iraq veteran and fiscal conservative from Pennsylvania who’s spearheading Congress’ DADT repeal effort, was also on hand at the conference. You’ll recall Murphy has previously ducked the question as to whether the White House is really helping lobby legislators on the repeal.

(video via Good As You)

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  • 47 Comments
    • InExile
      InExile

      Funny how Obama mentioned NOTHING about ALL of the American people being on Board about the repeal of DOMA and DADT during the campaign. Once again, he said anything and everything to get elected but it all meant nothing.

      WE HAVE THE WRONG PRESIDENT!!!

      Aug 15, 2009 at 5:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      NO LEADERSHIP
      NO LEADERSHIP
      NO LEADERSHIP
      NO LEADERSHIP
      NO LEADERSHIP!!!

      Aug 15, 2009 at 5:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • chgo921
      chgo921

      Oh Queerty. How you amuse me so. I’ll be the first to state that the Obama administration could do more to support gay rights. But short of Gavin Newsome, I could say that about a lot of politicians.

      Yes, the answers are “boilerplate” but at least they are affirmative answers. And she’s right. The Obama administration could stop kicking out military personnel through an executive order, but that won’t change the law. Congress DOES need to be involved. On top of all this, writers from Americablog are actually attending the event. Since they’ve been very critical of the administration’s policies vis a vis gays, I find it surprising they spoke positively about her answers (“forceful”) and you come to a different conclusion.

      I don’t want to even get into the issue that DADT and DOMA don’t impact all gays. It’s great to have equality but not every gay person is in the military or has a partner.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 6:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sarah McConnaughey
      Sarah McConnaughey

      “Bothering”…? Wow…Since when is wanting FREEDOM to live without fear and FREEDOM to love who you choose a “bother”…?

      Aug 15, 2009 at 6:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      There is a pattern here, a pattern of deception which started during the primary and has continued. He promised to be a “fierce advocate” for gays using the “bully pulpit of the Presidency” but has not fulfilled that promise either. We took the bait hook, line and sinker, but not in 2012. Some of us will just stay home or campaign for whoever opposes him. At least Sarah Palin has executive experience.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 6:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • spindoc
      spindoc

      Well then they need to stop bothering US with request for donations to the DNC, and asking us to buy tickets to fundraisers.

      Why would we go after Congress? Dem Rep. Allcy Hastings already told us that the White House Pressured him to pull his bill that would have stopped enforcement of DADT. So what good will pressuring Congress do us, when the White House is actively working against the repeal of DADT?

      Aug 15, 2009 at 7:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D-Sun
      D-Sun

      @chgo921:
      “The Obama administration could stop kicking out military personnel through an executive order, but that won’t change the law.”

      No. But it would stop the military from tossing out any more service members based solely on their sexual orientation, while he pressures congress to get off their asses and do something about it. It’s like wrapping a gushing head wound with gauze. It won’t heal the wound, but it’ll stop the bleeding long enough for the doctors to get in there and fix the problem.

      The fact that he refuses to do this, and instead passes the ball to congress(which is always a good strategy. I mean look how well they’ve done with health care), makes it clear he’s either a liar who only made nice with the gays to get elected, a coward who won’t do anything that might anger the bigoted Christards on the right, or a closeted bigot who only pretends to care about gay rights to get all those gay dollars and votes. I don’t know which it is, but unless there’s a massive turnaround, I sure as hell won’t be voting for him a second time.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 7:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • spindoc
      spindoc

      @chgo921: said “I don’t want to even get into the issue that DADT and DOMA don’t impact all gays. It’s great to have equality but not every gay person is in the military or has a partner.”
      ____________________________________________

      The issue isn’t whether or not everybody is in the Military or has a partner, the issue is that there are federal laws that as written discriminate against our entire group. This impacts how we are treated all over the U.S. Just because all women don’t vote is no reason to say that women having the right to vote is not important. Those laws leave us open to the kind of discrimination we can get in the workplace, or in trying to rent an apartment in certain states, they single us out as a group that it is ok to treat as lower than the rest.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 7:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      These laws affect everyone who is LGBT either directly or indirectly. DADT places gays below convicted felons as far as serving in the military, this law is like literally spitting in all of our faces and telling us we are trash and have less worth than a convicted felon. DOMA just prevents us from having the 1.100 Federal rights straights have. One of those rights is the right to marry someone from another country and sponsor them for citizenship. If you want to stay together, you move out of the US, then try finding the job you left in a different language and culture. It’s really easy, you should try it.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 8:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tofer david
      tofer david

      it is highly worthy of debate as to her power. rahm emmanuel wields more…read the nytimes piece of jarret from last month…she is certainly a longtime friend of both obamas, but her purvue on items of importance is limited…

      Aug 15, 2009 at 8:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Lack of leadership defines President Obama. When he was merely a senator and needed our vote, he was out there leading.

      President O’Coward, the ball is in your court.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 9:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • benji
      benji

      I will stop bothering you..and I won’t bother to cast my vote for you in 2012 either if you don’t live up to your campaign promises.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 10:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
      Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com

      @chgo921:

      “The Obama administration could stop kicking out military personnel through an executive order, but that won’t change the law. Congress DOES need to be involved.”

      Jessica H. Christ! Are we going to have to hang garlic around the necks of you goddamn Obama zombies to get you to stop with the double speak? Drive a wooden stake through your hearts? Shoot you with a silver bullet?

      I’m going to type this slowly to, hopefully, help you better understand. I would spell in out in your hand, but I’m not there:

      NO ONE…repeat NO ONE IS SAYING THAT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER FREEZING DISCHARGES WOULD “change the law.”

      Further, it’s beside the point.

      Second, HOW DARE YOU add insult to your ignorance by suggesting that we should only care about, fight for rights that directly affect EVERY gay person!

      “Earth to Caucasians! You don’t have to care about rights for people of color. That’s THEIR problem! Men! Leave gender rights to the women! Gentiles! Really now, what’s all this racket about some ovens and a few million Jews?!”

      So, chgo921, just give that shit up, okay? If you don’t, we can conclude only one of two things about you:

      1. you are consciously distorting the discussion out of pathological allegiance to the two-faced head of your personality cult, OR

      2. you’re severely retarded.

      Pick your hat.

      [img]http://localareawatch.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/night_of_the_living_dead_1.jpg[/img]

      Aug 15, 2009 at 10:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • thinktank909
      thinktank909

      Valarie Jarett and President Obama are both full of shit. They tell us to lobby our congress members, but then when our congress members make progress they tell them to back off, we dont want the blue dog voters in Ohio and North Carolina not to vote for us if we do anything good for the gays. Obama told Congressman Hastings one of our allies in congress to back off and withdraw a DADT repeal amendment.

      Although Jarett has no power per say, she was the president’s representative and her lack of enthusiasm for our issues was telling and it speaks big time.

      The President is spineless. If Sarah Palin runs for president and is the Republican nominee I will campaign with full gusto for her unless DADT is repealed, and ENDA is fully implemented.

      Aug 15, 2009 at 10:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
      Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com

      @InExile:

      Actually, what makes her robotic lines all the more insufferable is that Obama DID address the will of the American people in relation to DADT during the campaign but it wasn’t what SHE would have us believe:

      “AMERICA IS READY TO GET RID OF THE DON’T ASK DON’T TELL POLICY. All that is required is leadership. That work should have started long ago. It will start when I take office.” – Barack Obama, November 29th, 2007.

      And polls show support for repeal is even greater NOW.

      And, NO, despite her lying tongue or THEIR stupidity, they did NOT have to defend DADT and DOMA in court; and, all the more, not using the SAME homophobic excuses that were used to pass them in the first place. PLUS some brand new ones in the case of the DOMA brief.

      If I were an antigay Congressman, I’d be saying, “Don’t tell me, you support repeal of DADT and DOMA…you told the courts this summer that they were perfectly good, necessary, and just laws!”

      Jon Davidson, Lambda Legal Director, June 2009:

      “Whether or not the administration felt a need to defend, there are many ways one can defend. The administration could have rested on the first two arguments raised in their papers (jurisdiction and standing) that these plaintiffs were not entitled to sue without arguing at this point that DOMA is constitutional. Doing that would not have waived those arguments. What they need to be asked is why they gratuitously went out of their way to make the outrageous arguments they unnecessarily included such as that DOMA does not discriminate based on sexual orientation or that the right at issue is not marriage but an unestablished right to ‘same-sex marriage’ or that DOMA is somehow justified in order to protect taxpayers who don’t want their tax dollars used to support lesbian and gay couples (while it’s apparently fine to make lesbians and gay men pay the same taxes but be denied the benefits provided heterosexual couples). Their public statements about the filing try to sidestep these points. They absolutely knew they did not need to make these additional arguments, especially at this time and consciously decided to do so. I am seething mad.”

      And, I bet he still is if he’s hearing hacks like Jarrett still reciting the phony Gospel According to St. Barack.

      Not another dime for the DNC until we see ACTION!b>

      [img]http://rlv.zcache.com/barack_obama_fail_tshirt-p235244382167842403t5e4_400.jpg[/img]

      Aug 15, 2009 at 11:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lloyd Baltazar
      Lloyd Baltazar

      haha. those pictures are amusing.

      Obama is a FAIL, I agree. Just as we need to get congress to work on their butts—-he also needs to do something about gay rights as he promised rather than remain empty handed. It makes him look like a liar… which he obvious is—at this point.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 12:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • chances
      chances

      It could have been a republican but still the heartfelt inclination of wrong would have been discerned. We don’t need another hero, or president, anymore.

      No more leaders !

      Aug 16, 2009 at 3:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com: Dear Michael, please order me the FRAUD tee shirt in large please, the fraud tee is more suitable to fail you actually have to try first and this man never has.

      My hope of getting off this Caribbean island (in a foreign country) died on the Democratic Convention floor with the sham floor vote complements of Nancy Pelosi & Donna Brazil. They wanted a talker who is weak as opposed to a worker that is strong so here we are. With all of his present votes as a Senator it is no surprise, he would not take a stand on anything then and he will not take a stand now on ANYTHING. We have talk, a smile, and promises, that’s it.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 7:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert
      robert

      I keep getting calls from the DNC to renew my financial support, support I gave quite significantly to in 2008. I haven’t yet donated anything for 2009 but I think I’m going to sit this one out and see if any progress will be made on DADT, DOMA and other equality issues within the next twelve months. If nothing happens, it can kiss my support goodbye.

      The kind of response coming from Valerie Jarett doesn’t help matters, obviously she doesn’t give a damn because she’s not affected by anything, as most straights aren’t.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 10:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @robert: I’m with you there, I will not donate one penny to any democrats until ALL of the promises made are kept. I also donated quite significantly in 2008 to elect people based on their promises and I feel like I have been stabbed in the back. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 10:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert
      robert

      @InExile:

      Yep,I think the Democratic party is going to be unpleasantly surprised come the mid terms with fewer of us supporting them if they don’t deliver on at least DADT for starters before November 2010. There is absolutely NO excuse why they can’t, other more progressive countries have done it in far less time with little or no opposition, no reason why we can’t. I’m sick and tired of delay, delay, delay, enough of this bullshit. The problem with the dems is they’ve always taken our votes for granted but actually delivered preciouis little. Well, they’re in for a big disappointment if they don’t deliver on anything. 2010 and 2012 are long enough to get rid of DADT and DOMA consecutively. Obama needs to grow a pair and stop kow-towing to the religious cultists for once. Why should they be given special preference over the rest of us and the get the ear of Obama? They contribute nothing, their leaders pay no taxes, no property taxes, why should we be propping up elitists at our expense while they are at the root of DADT and DOMA in the first place?

      Aug 16, 2009 at 12:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AlwaysGay
      AlwaysGay

      Obama = typical heterosexual

      Aug 16, 2009 at 12:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ben Wilson
      Ben Wilson

      If anyone voted for Obama thinking he’d care about Gay rights then you were a fool. Your hopes were with Hillary, but she got shafted and you were left with two people totally non-chalont about us.

      Obama will do precisly nothing for us, because, and call me what you like for saying this, he’s got to kiss the asses of every rich person who got him there, every influencial person who got him there and then every black person in America for fear of upsetting Jackson & Sharpton. In between all this he’ll be trying to please everyone else before he even thinks about expending energy on helping LGBT people.

      Next time you all go out to pick a new democratic candidate, support the one who has a record of supporting us. And if she runs again, that’s CLINTON!

      Aug 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      Ben: Thank you Ben for telling it like it is!

      Robert: Even my 82 year old mother is fed up. When she receives those envelopes from the DNC asking for donations, she rights pass gay rights first, then I’ll send some money!

      Aug 16, 2009 at 1:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kary
      Kary

      Everytime I get an e-mail, a snail mail, a phone call, whatever…from the White House, the Democratic Party, my Senator, Congressman, whatever, I inform them that the $$ is over until (1) DOMA is repealed, (2) Don’t Ask/DT is rescinded, and (3) I can marry my partner of 30 years.

      And because I’m so over the Democratic Party pimping us, I’m voting Republican/Nazi/ Christian until the above is true too. I’d rather have an honest fucking Christo/Nazi Repuke than a lying goddam Democrat.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 2:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Ben Wilson:

      here we go…there just can;’t POSSIBLY be any black gay people that hold Obama’s feet to the fire. Not one.

      There can’t possibley be any black people that are critical of Obama and all. I guess John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Alcee Hastings and many, many others simply forgot the memo.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
      Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com

      @Ben Wilson:

      Obama has a proven track record of pandering to religious homophobes both black [McClurkingate] AND white [Warrengate], but you mischaracterize Jackson and Sharpton, who, while far from perfect, have been ahead of their time in relation to LGBT rights. Jackson began speaking at gay events a quarter-century ago, including earlier gay marches on Washington, Sharpton has a lesbian sister, and both men new gay black icon Bayard Rustin, Martin Luther King, Jr.’s mentor, and the organizer of the great 1963 March on Washington.

      One of the things that pissed me off repeatedly during the primaries was the know-nothings of all ages who wet themselves with joy everytime Obama simply dropped the G-word in a speech as if NO ONE, of whatever color, had ever done it before [and, invariably “heard” “gay rights” when he rarely used the phrase, and more typically spoke of tolerating or loving us…NEITHER of which gets us one more LEGAL RIGHT].

      In fact, Jackson was talking about extending gay rights TWENTY-FOUR YEARS BEFORE when he ran for the nomination.

      And Sharpton supported FULL LGBT equality during his symbolic run in 2004.

      While Obama STILL supports “states rights” in relation to denying LGBT equality, Sharpton said then,

      “I am unilaterally opposed to any civil or human right being left to states’ rights. That is a dangerous precedent. I think the federal government has the obligation to protect all citizens on a federal level. And if we start going back to states’ rights, we’re going back to pre-Civil War days, and I think that that, in its nature, is wrong.

      Are we prepared to say gays and lesbians are less than human? If we’re not prepared to say that, then how do we say that they should not have the same rights and human choices of anyone else?”

      Other quotes:

      On marriage equality: “I believe in equal human rights, before the law, for all human beings, and race, gender, disability, class or sexual orientation should not be a factor under the law. Even though we live under the law in a secular democratic society, religious groups must still be able to maintain their spiritual and moral option to either give or withhold a religious or sacred blessing to such unions. However, the government should not have that option. It must affirm the human and legal rights of everyone.”

      “The military code of conduct should allow military people to live openly in the ‘truth’ rather than live silently or covertly a ‘lie’.

      “No American should be discriminated against on the job because of their gender identity or expression.”

      “I believe that gays and lesbians should have the right to adopt. Sexual orientation in no way matters when it comes to parenting – all children need is love.”

      And, though Obama made mild criticisms of homophobia in the church, we will NEVER hear him saying something like THIS which Sharpton did after Prop H8TE passed:

      “There is something immoral and sick about using all of that power to not end brutality and poverty, but to break into people’s bedrooms and claim that God sent you.

      It amazes me when I looked at California and saw churches that had nothing to say about police brutality, nothing to say when a young black boy was shot while he was wearing police handcuffs, nothing to say when they overturned affirmative action, nothing to say when people were being [relegated] into poverty, yet they were organizing and mobilizing to stop consenting adults from choosing their life partners.

      I am tired of seeing ministers who will preach homophobia by day, and then after they’re preaching, when the lights are off they go cruising for trade…We know you’re not preaching the Bible, because if you were preaching the Bible we would have heard from you. We would have heard from you when people were starving in California–when they deregulated the economy and crashed Wall Street you had nothing to say. When Bush took us to war chasing weapons of mass destruction that weren’t there you had nothing to say. But all of a sudden, when Proposition 8 came out, you had so much to say, but since you stepped in the rain, we’re going to step in the rain with you.”
      [img]http://www.therightperspective.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sharpton-fields-ellner2.jpg[/img]

      Aug 16, 2009 at 3:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com:

      Thank you.

      Of the four (?) presidential candidates in the Democratic Party that have ever supported marriage equality, 2 were black (Sharpton and Carol Mosely Braun).

      I just get so, so tired, of this “all black people are homophobic” meme

      “I am tired of seeing ministers who will preach homophobia by day, and then after they’re preaching, when the lights are off they go cruising for trade…”

      My favortie quote ever by Al.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 3:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Julian Edward Domain
      Julian Edward Domain

      My best plan at this point. If you can improve upon it feel free. Yes we do have lobbying groups but we are not doing enough. Pass it on.

      The democrats will use us as a foil whenever they want us for money and votes. Why not, where else can we turn, it has to stop. This is what we need to do and yes I do realize that it is divisive, it’s supposed to be. Create our own political party. How you ask?
      1. Gather interested parties with skills we need; public relations positions can be someone with sales experience or someone with art experience; we need every facet of our community.
      2. Create a political party; we need our lawyers to help with that part to follow the proscribed laws.
      3. Create a convention to establish the party ideals, nominate delegates etc. Pride events would be good.
      4. We are abundant in public figures tap them for political positions (known figures will make us easier to be accepted by the unenlightened). Web pages can help find others in the community we need to get out rights.
      5. Don’t let the party end until we have civil rights!

      Yes I know we are in crisis right now. That is why it is essential for us to be proactive before we become numbered units in some gulag. The christiofacists have no bounds; they have no interest in anyone’s rights other than their own. We have to begin fighting the way they are (firmly within the bounds of the law of course) or we are going to keep fodder for someone else’s fundraising rallies.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 5:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • wondermann
      wondermann

      It’s funny that y’all are reacting to a statement (stop bothering us) that was never said.

      Some of you are no different than they crazies at these town hall meetings.

      I really struggle with this because it’s going to take the proper people, time and process to change DOMA and DADT.

      Why can’t you see that?

      Aug 16, 2009 at 6:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com
      Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com

      @wondermann:

      She did not need to literally say “stop bothering us,” her implication was clear, though it could have been, “PLEASE stop bothering us.”

      Note how she did NOT mention the White House pressuring black Cong. Alcee Hastings to withdraw his amendment to the defense appropriations bill that would have stopped discharges until repeal.

      You wrote: “I really struggle with this because it’s going to take the proper people, time and process to change DOMA and DADT. Why can’t you see that?”

      INCORRECT, Sir!

      It would take Obama no more than TEN SECONDS to “change DADT” in terms of the time it would take him to sign his name to an Executive Order freezing discharges with the authority given him by Congress under 10 United States Code 12305 — Authority of the President to Suspend Certain Laws Relating to Promotion, Retirement, and Separation.

      If you genuinely cared as much about DADT as you claim…rather than simply serving stale Obama Kool Aid… you would already be aware of this.

      http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/15/alg_obama_dont_ask.jpg
      “See ya! Wouldn’t wanna be ya.”

      Aug 16, 2009 at 6:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      The time has come to STOP supporting this President that does not support us. Many progressives probably think this man is on the same page as they are but he is not and they need to know about about it from all of us. He is a fraud and has misrepresented his beliefs and what he supposedly stand for.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 6:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gilrabo
      Gilrabo

      Equal rights mean just that equality under the rule of law. If justice is supposed to be blind, shouldn’t our government also be? No tax breaks for churches. Legal marriage for all Americans. Miltary rights for all service people, not just straights.
      I am straight, and I believe that denying anyone equal protection by the government makes a travesty of our country. Everyone is equal, as long as you fit in our approved box! This is the kind of crap that was used against different races, and genders, and now GBLT.
      Grassroots work is needed. Don’t leave it up to lobby groups. Letter, email, call everyone from the local, state and federal gov. Noise works, it just takes a great deal of effort.
      Why do I care? Because it errodes everyones freedoms. It effects us all. Maybe, just maybe, it would drop the sucide rate among young gay teens, parents would be jailed for throwing away their GBLT children. And schools would uphold the anti-hate laws by protecting ALL of their students!!

      Aug 16, 2009 at 8:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Merv
      Merv

      It would be one thing if his throwing us under the bus enabled him to pass meaningful health care reform, but he’s screwing the pooch on that, as well. How someone can squander the biggest mandate since LBJ is beyond me.

      Aug 16, 2009 at 8:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GBM
      GBM

      To Ben Wilson and the rest of you who keep screaming Hillary Clinton, and Obama is a LIAR and all that shit.

      Just vote for a white candidate in 2010, and 2012 and be done and when they spew shit in your face it won’t hurt so bad! Personally I’m done with it all. The ANGRY WHITE REPUBLICANS spewing all this FAKE BULLSHIT about HEALTHCARE AND THIS SHIT ON QUEERTY MAKES IT NO BETTER AND NEVER WILL I see why many African Americans Gays DON’T visit here. They’re simpy not welcomed. And I’m fine with that at this point!

      If Hillary runs PLEASE VOTE FOR HER and just be done because TRUST She’ll do the same thing unless the PREDOMINATELY WHITE SENATE stands behind her and not fight against her as they’re doing Obama.

      This community is FOREVER divided. Gay, or Straight we’ll tolerate each other to a extent but we’ll never make it as one. Too much bigotry, superiorist attitudes and just plain STUPIDITY.

      Girls on here during the campaign love to scream about Michelle Obama being an angry Black Woman. WOW…OH HOW I’M LOVING THESE TOWN HALLS….LOTS OF ANGER BUT NOT ANGRY BLACKS!

      Aug 16, 2009 at 11:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phoenix (A Roiling Cauldron Of Anarchist Views)
      Phoenix (A Roiling Cauldron Of Anarchist Views)

      Looks like socialized medicine is dead too.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/16/town-halls-having-impact-white-house-bends-health-care-provision-face/

      Crap.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 12:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ali
      Ali

      I have a feeling that in Obama’s overall strategy the Fierce Advocacy will finally reach Urgency of Now-level on January 19th, 2017.

      Even though polls show something like 70% of Americans think it is wrong to fire all the gay service members that anyone finds out about. That is a very powerful consensus, and it is about something Obama promised while he was running for office. Unless the Joint Chiefs are threatening a mutiny or a coup in response to DADT being scrapped, I can’t possibly understand why Obama would risk the egg on his face on this issue that he was front and center on in the campaign. Even most conservatives will fall into step on this issue if they’re told that it’s an issue of respecting the troops and their professionalism, and that everyone needs to sacrifice in war, even if it means having GAYS as colleagues! (Oh noes!!!)

      It’s really a shame, and it’s a blight on America’s ability to advocate for any LGBT rights or human rights in general abroad. Nobody is taking Hillary Clinton seriously when she says “gay rights are human rights” to international audiences when they look at President Obama’s backtracking on the simple issue of “Are gay people fit to serve in the US armed forces: Y/N”, and in a time of incredible pressure on the human resources of the military, no less.

      I’m not sure if it’s bad leadership, lack of foresight, being completely out of touch with the public, bigotry, or ??? that is motivating this stalling on what was a central campaign promise by Obama. It’s disappointing considering the language he used. If he was just going to lie about actually delivering his campaign promises, he could have skipped the “fierce advocate” rhetoric.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 2:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      “I see why many African Americans Gays DON’T visit here. They’re simpy not welcomed. And I’m fine with that at this point!”

      Actually, I don’t like to visit here all that much because of the more than usual sloppy journalism and commentary, whether it’s race or un-race related.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 5:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GBM
      GBM

      Well that’s you ChiTown-Kev my friend we all see things very differently.

      @ Ali I stand with you on this statement you said

      “If he was just going to lie about actually delivering his campaign promises, he could have skipped the “fierce advocate” rhetoric.”

      Very True…But there is still time.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 6:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert
      robert

      @InExile:

      I’m even more fed up now that Obama has more or less taken the public option off the table. His campaign was about single payer, then that was dropped, then came the public option, now that’s probably going the same way, no thanks to Obama’s caving in to the republicans. It seems that the party of no and hate in exile has more power than the dems combined. None of them have any balls, there’s no push back from them. They’re fucking everything up as they always do when they get control, something that the republicans do a far better job at. This is no longer about health care reform, but more about health insurance and pharma maintaining the status quo over who gets what. I’m disgusted with Obama, he has no backbone and I regret ever voting for him. This is NOT what I voted for. We were lied to, no question about that. He doesn’t need bipartisanship to push health care reform through, yet he’s giving the republicans everything they want, a victory. It makes you wonder who exactly is running the show from the White House.

      Having said that, can we expect any change on DADT or DOMA? I don’t think so, he’ll make concessions to the republicans and their religious right wing again you can be sure of that.

      I’m contacting my representatives today to let them know how sick and tired I am of their inaction and lack of courage to stand up to these fear mongers. I for one won’t be voting for Obama come 2012, never again. I hope Hillary resigns as secretary of state and runs against him which will piss the republicans off.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 8:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Glennmcgahee
      Glennmcgahee

      I heard some of the same defense of Obama on NPR the other day by a columnist from The Chicago Tribune. Apparently, if you hold the President to his words and point out that his deeds don’t match those words, YOU ARE A RACIST!
      That was used all through the Primary. If you didn’t support Obama, it was because he’s black. Well, he’s actually bi-racial, not just black and I can criticize any politician I want, regardless of the color of his/her skin. I do not discriminate.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 8:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sam
      sam

      I think this year, all of the eggs are in the health care reform basket. They see that as being their top priority and don’t want to engage the Right on multiple battlefronts.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 8:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @robert: We need her to resign and run in 2012 because otherwise we will end up with a Sarah Palin, a Newt Gingrich, or worse a Jeb Bush! This guy is going to be a one term President just like Jimmy Carter. If he would just have some backbone and quit being so wishy washy like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid we might have some hope. I was furious watching Nancy and Harry allow the Bush Administration to do anything and everything they wanted regardless of how heinous it was. They literally sat there with their mouths shut for 8 years allowing torture, spying on US citizens, politicization of the justice department, and the list goes on endlessly. They wanted Obama because they were afraid Hillary might make them work, get things done, and actually stand up for what is right and just. We are so screwed.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 9:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert
      robert

      @InExile:

      Yes, Hillary MUST run again. At least she has the balls to stand up to them and doesn’t take their shit. The republicans are scared of her. The problem with the democrats is that once they gain power, they fuck everything up and give it all away which is what they’re doing right now. The republicans and the town hall thugs have won the health care debate. Its going to be no health care reform whatsoever, but maintaining the status quo, health insurance industry and pharma calling the shots and running the show. Don’t think for a moment that non-profit health insurance providers are not in it for profit, a huge fat lie. Where you have private insurers involved in health care, the top elite running their companies are in it to make a fast buck. They’ll go on denying coverage in other ways and they’ll even find a way around not honoring pre-existing conditions, mark my words. They always find a loophole.

      Mark my words again, Obama and the democrats will cave in on DADT and DOMA, giving the republicans yet another victory. It does make you wonder who this man really is. In my mind, he’s nothing more than a moderate republican dressed in so called democratic clothing. This is NOT what I voted for and I feel betrayed. I agree with you…this will be a one term president, deservedly so. It makes no difference now because he’s giving the republicans everything they want for the sake of bipartisanship that he didn’t need to begin with. What a cop out.

      Aug 17, 2009 at 9:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      [img]http://a700.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/m_ed7297235d60554aff5867661155809b.jpg[/img]

      Aug 17, 2009 at 10:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      Some of the crap the Clinton’s pulled during the Obama campaign was heinous, underhanded, and this/short of being racist. So please no more ‘what-if’s’ or ‘if onlys’- hindsight is 20/20

      Aug 17, 2009 at 2:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • wondermann
      wondermann

      Get over Hillary!

      Aug 17, 2009 at 3:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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