That would be redundant. The racist bigots are on this site.

I believed at one point, that a good percentage of whites were eager to move beyond the ugliness and unfounded hatred demonstrated in these comments. I was wrong.

Michael Bedwell, I’m just convince you really don’t want this Man to win. And I believe his color has alot to do with your decision amongst the things you claim he lies about and bringing in The Rev.Irene Monroe article in bilerico as to prove it’s not about race on your part. There are many blacks that will take issue with Obama as with themselves that’s them back to you!

Because it’s obvious that you want Hillary to be the Democratic nominee and that’s all fine and well and you know what you will probably get your wish and maybe you should so you can see what politicking is REALLY all about!

You really think she is going to come take the LGBT community on some “Swing Down,Swing Low, Sweet Chariot coming forth to carry me home”? Good Luck!! they all lie when it comes to LGBT issues they may support some things as Clinton, Edwards, Kucinch, and Obama did. But you have your issues with this Black Man……..Why?

It’s understandable that we all are partial to our own race it’s human nature. But there is a severe difference between PRIDE, PREFERENCE & PREJUDICE.

So just keep it real and not make it seem like you have all these issues when simply you and some others are feared to see a BLACK figure rule over America since WHITES have always ruled America.
Look deep down within yourselves. All of us and ask Why do I feel this way?

We need to really embrace DIVERSITY in the LGBT community
It starts with me, with you!

Also Mr Bedwell you commented in a previous post about Obama’s speech
“build a coalition of”

LGBTs – ?
LGBTs – ?
Hello?…….

Yeah HELLO is right! But wait!
Why don’t LGBT learn what it is to accept each other regardless, of color, and class?
You go to bars and they are either predominately WHITE, predominately BLACK, and or Hispanics & Asians and they are mostly in the WHITE populated bars WITH SHADE BEING THROWN ALL AROUND US!

But we want equality and respect from the heterosexuals and can’t even get it from each other…….PLEASE!
I know you don’t want to hear this but the
TRUTH HURTS US ALL!!!!

That is something that Clinton, nor Obama can do. That starts with us. And long as WHITE LGBT want to control the power of the community AT LARGE. None of these rights, and or bills we want passed will be passed because all other races who are LGBT will feel like why should I support something that will not benefit me?

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT EVERYONE
ONCE AGAIN IT STARTS HERE WITH US REGARDLESS WHO BECOMES PRESIDENT!

You really think she is going to come take the LGBT community on a “Swing Down, Sweet Chariot comming to carry me home” Good Luck they all lie when it comes to LGBT they may support some things as Clinton, Edwards, Kucinch, and Obama did. B

It seems to me your’re saying only whites are working class dems??????
YOU SOUND LIKE AN ANGRY WHITE MAN!
BE FUCKING FOR REAL.
We Blacks are hard working people also!
People like you will keep the ugly head of being prejudice out there.

Need I say more decisive is just that decisive!
And by the way it’s no different then what some of your Parents said about Blacks growing up! You won’t call your Father talking like that HATE FILLED…….Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Obama doesn’t need your vote and if he loses so be it. But once John McCain set your Faggot ass back. Then you’ll be drinking his urine because that is what he will think of you as well as all gays! AS PISS! and it will be a sad state of affairs for the hard working class LGBT community.

ALWAYS REMEMBER US BLACKS DID NOT START THIS RACISM SHIT. YOUR ANCESTORS DID! NOW IT’S OUT THERE EITHER PUT UP AND COMBAT IT, OR SHUT UP!

Not a good way to get the votes he needs. He has you guys’ votes already. He could have come on and read the phone book and you Obamessiah idolators would have licked it up.

I actually felt a little pride and “that’ll show ‘em” at the thought that the US might elect a black president. That was when I thought he truly did want to transcend race. Now he’s revealed as a demagogue and a race hustler just like Jesse Jackson and AL Sharpton. I’m glad that was made clear before I fucked up and voted for him, along with millions of others.

Put a fork in Obama. This story is bigger than you know. You don’t know because you don’t know working class America, or religious people, or blue collar Democrats. The polls will soon show an Obama nose-dive, count on it.

Most people are aware he gave a speech, big deal. Politicians give millions of them. What people who don’t love Obama blindly remember is “GOD DAMN AMERICA”. That sticks, not some smarmy speech I can’t even sit all the way through.

BTW, nice touch throwing his gramma under the bus. Really low class to dis your gramma’s private conversation and equate it with an insane hate-mongers’ public raging. Nice, Obama.

-a working class Dem non-political junkie

Startling new polls out below suggest he might not. No doubt will change in some way but still….

“New Gallup Poll Daily tracking finds Hillary Clinton with a 49% to 42% lead over Barack Obama in national Democratic voters’ presidential nomination preference. …

[John McCain] holds a statistically significant lead over Obama, 47% to 43%, in registered voters’ preferences for the general presidential election. That is the first time any of the candidates has held a statistically significant lead since Gallup Poll Daily tracking began reporting on the general election race last week. McCain’s 48% to 45% advantage over Clinton is not statistically significant, but it is the first time he has had an edge over her in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105.....Obama.aspx

“CBS Poll: Gender Matters More Than Race -
Voters Say Woman Candidate Faces Slightly Bigger Barriers To Presidency Than A Black Candidate

Voters are slightly more likely to say that a woman candidate faces more obstacles than a black candidate when it comes to presidential politics even as they see racism as a more serious problem for the nation overall, according to a new CBS News poll. Thirty nine percent of registered voters said a woman running for president faces more obstacles while 33 percent said a black candidate does.

When it comes to the 2008 presidential election, voters say Hillary Clinton has been judged more harshly because of her gender than Barack Obama has because of his race. Forty two percent said Clinton has been judged ‘more harshly’ and six percent said she has been judged less harshly because of her gender. Twenty seven percent said they think Obama has been judged ‘more harshly’ because of his race while 11 percent said he has been judged less harshly.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....9396.shtml

Onion. Respect for your opinions but and then what? What do we all suggest? Cause Obama is THE apocalypse and if he gets in power-shit. So McCain yeah? Cool.

scratch the surface & a lot of ugly comes out – and i think the speech obviously managed to scratch the surface

anyway, i tough it was pretty brilliant & thanks to queerty for this great article… nice stuff a.b.

Why not just support McCain and the racist bigots. That’s what going on now, does no one have a sense for voter dynamics? It ‘s noyt the chilhood game everyone seems to imagine. Hang yourselves.

It’s cool even if Hils gets in! She will be solid. Can’t we just tear up McCain??? The guy is going unnoticed for the crap he spouts….

It’s not the end of the world as we know it if Obama is elected. I swear.

“Obama [has] unfortunately placed himself in a difficult quagmire – not only with LGBTQ and liberal voters, but also by still being a member of Trinity. Why? Because he worships in a conservative black church within a liberal denomination. And Trinity is provisionally opposed to the idea of same sex marriage.

In July 2005, the UCC General Synod overwhelmingly passed a Resolution of Marriage Equality. But in August 2005, Wright spoke against the Synod’s position causing many LGBTQ parishioners to leave.

“Please tell me what is going on here? Why does it appear we are under attack? Maybe I am reacting, but this seems to be even from the folks we admire in the church that black same-gender loving issues are not important. We are still seen as gay and white,” stated a gay member of Trinity.

In the church’s magazine The Trumpet [Wright's] article “Maybe I Missed Something!” shows how LGBTQ issues are not a priority in his present-day prophetic social gospel intended to ameliorate the social conditions of all God’s African-American children:

“While our denomination grappled with how to address that human problem, the denomination also, at that Synod, voted to ordain a homosexual. Guess which item made the newspapers? Maybe I missed something!”

And in his closing tirades on the issues, Wright stated this: “Are 44 million Americans with no health care insurance less important than ‘gay marriage’? Why aren’t Black Christians in an uproar about that? Maybe I am missing something!”

When the article came out in light of the United Church of Christ’s stance on ordaining and marrying LGBTQ people, it was disheartening for many to know that Pastor Wright broke rank with his liberal denomination to stand in solidarity with a more conservative Black Church position.

“Folks were very hurt by his remarks he made in the Trumpet article. I wanted to know where he really stood with us on same-gender loving issues. The chair of the same-gender family wrote him if the church will address black heterosexism and black homophobia. He said we have done that over the thirty years and that his sermons should speak for his support on these issues. In his articles he said he was not putting same-gender loving person’s down. Just showing how society only appears to be focused on those issues and not the issues that impact Black issues. I reminded him I am a black female out lesbian. I do not choose to be one or the other which is all of my being,” stated a lesbian member of Trinity

I wonder now how much of Obama’s views on gay civil rights are shaped by Trinity? Or, if not, does he use those Christian views to avoid giving us our full civil rights [i.e., marriage equality]?”

Thanks-it’s a long walk…

abracadaver:

Hey, true Irish genes! :)

You make some good points, as well. I want to assure you that I am well aware of the actual history of slavery in this country and others. I know that it is a problem that has existed for so long that it seems that it has been with us for time immemorial. Perhaps my greatest character weakness is that I tend to see the world in terms of “now” and not “then”, and discount the importance of the past.

At some point, an honest dialog on race needs to take place in our country. All viewpoints must be allowed to be heard, and more importantly, listened to. The exchange that you have engaged me in today is a good example of this type of detante. Lets hope the example is picked up and continued by our society at large.

I think it is respectable that Obama has some loyalty and is not selling his former pastor down river. I think there is a lot to be said for loyalty. So his reverend said some things that people don’t agree with, big deal.

It doesn’t change Obama’s policies or ideals as a candidate. It is great to be able to listen to differing viewpoints and understand where they are coming from. It doesn’t nor should it fundamentaly change a person or his/her viewpoints if he/she has some level of strength and direction.

A few disagreeable words taken from a lifetime of sermons is not the full scope of a man and his legacy. i would hate to have the most offensive things I’ve ever said spliced together and looped without any reference to the best most inspiring things that have come out of my mouth.

You make some good points. Of course I know about the Irish and along with the Jews, the Blacks-(We) have a lot to learn from them. Definitely but you have to understand that you were able to ‘pass’. So you were able to be more strategic in your quest to further yourself. You could change your names or lower the accent-and then once you got to the top-invite/support your fellow Irish by employing them and so forth. You know that’s how it worked and still works.

And yes, Blacks tend to be far to fiery for want of a better word or maybe I should say the Balcks that were taken as Slaves to the Americas as Africa is a big continent with various scopes in it’s peoples temperaments.

But combine that glass ceiling with the fiery temperament and yes, you get a fucking great big ball of combustion. It doesn’t get anywhere.

Our problem is the self hate within our own community. Because of this self hate that was brought on by international dislike for someone with a darker skin-you are dealing with centuries and centuries of issues. Did you know that slavery existed for 10 centuries before it was abolished?

How do you get rid of that past? Come on. Be realistic. And not ALL black people are the way you say the are. You’re are talking about poor people. Poor uneducated people.

You guys came to America fleeing the famine-not as slaves. Not lined up like sardines in a boat with dead bodies scattered around you?

You were angry, pissed off with the English but had a belief in yourself. Something every human being deserves to at least have. No?

Ok, Bullshit. Burn him at the stake and THEN what smart ass?? Why we waste our time tearing each other up, McCain is being frigging taken seriously.

When his grandma said all that shit about blacks, should he have disowned her? Cause you know, he was THERE when she said ALL THAT STUFF….?

I am not “pissed” at any members of the black community. In fact, I actually can understand missplaced anger and resentment. Does this mean that I condone it? No.

My ancestors weren’t treated so well, either. Most came here as indentured servants. Most faced signs saying, “No Irish Need Apply” when they sought employment. Their primary competition for jobs were blacks. Yes, its true…blacks were actually favored over the Irish for employment in 20th century America. To this day, most Irish are stereotyped, even celebrated, as wife-beating drunkards or ignorant Catholics “filling up the bloody world with bloody people they can’t afford to bloody feed.”

What did I, and my parents, do in reaction to this discrimination and blind hatred? Adopt the same perspective as our primary way of addressing the problem? No. We groveled and found whatever work we could, even creating our own work, and took care of our own communities. We rose to power through political action and self-representation. We relied on our values to carry us through hard times, certain that we would emerge victorious. And never, not once, did we blame another group for the cross we had to bear.

Lets call a spade a spade (absolutely no pun intended): black Americans in huge numbers have chosen to fight fire with fire, to right a wrong with more wrongs. We all know in our hearts that this doesn’t and has never worked as an approach to solving problems. What is truly excortiating is that we have reached the point that to merely point out this obvious state of the black community is to be called a racist, or an apologist, or worse.

Doublespeak and double standards aside, race relations in America are what they are. Blacks will never win a seat at the table, or have a firm podium to express their anger and resentment, until they abandon the tactics of those they so decry that they themselves have adopted.

Would you rather have a President who was against the war from the start or against the war once she started running for President?

also, Obama is no-DOMA, Hillary is pro-DOMA

Sooo, he should’ve mentioned the gay community. Erm wasn’t this about race? So I guess you’re pissed off when he spoke about Gay people in front of the very homophobic black church?

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/.....ma-te.html

abracadaver:

Sob sob sob. You’re pissed that the blacks used you as a representation of all their shitty history in a country that until 1960, would’nt even allow them to drink from the same fountain as you?

Urgh. I wish those blacks would just groow up!! So what lynching used to be a past time! So what you’ve only been allowed to sit at the front of the bus these past 50 or so years.

So? Yeah, I’m a white man. Yes, I am the most represented in US society. Yes, I am more in power in the world. Yes, I’ve always been allowed to vote. So what? I’m pissed off cause you still haven’t gotten over the fact that my ancestors thought you were monkeys.

Right. Ok. Solid points guys.

You would’ve thought, hoped you would leave all this anger towards McCain, erm, I mean, you are pretty hated by the world and you haven’t learnt after 9/11? That maybe, just maaaaybe it might be a good idea to look into a candidate that isn’t linked with your past-that of the past 16 years??

To Queerty: love you for quoting Paulo Freire.

Somewhere around “those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids,” couldn’t he have worked in a couple of words about not kids not killing other kids like Lawrence King because they’re LGBT? That schools should not just be better but safer? In the entire paragraph he dedicated to the war and soldiers and veterans couldn’t he have simply called for repealing DADT. So many missed opportunities in his unprecedented “teaching moment” to remind his worldwide audience that LGBTS are Americans, too. I don’t know whether to say he threw us under the bus or just hid us at the back under a blanket.

How inconsistent and indefensible is that in one who asks for ALL our votes to be the President of us ALL? I respectfully submit the words of someone who, like gay black activist Mel Boozer …unlike me and most here .. .had been called BOTH a “nigger” and a “faggot.” Someone that Rev. Wright should pay more attention to than his bosom buddy Louis Farrakhan—and Barack Obama more than to Rev. Wright.

QUOTE: “[B]ecause we stand in the center of progress toward democracy, [gays] have a terrifying responsibility to the whole society…. First, the gay community cannot work for justice for itself alone. Unless the community fights for all, it is fighting for nobody, least of all for itself. Second, gay people should not practice prejudice. It is inconsistent for gay people to be antisemitic or racist. These gay people do not understand human rights. …

[Gay] people should recognize that we cannot fight for the rights of gays unless we are ready to fight for a new mood in the United States, unless we are ready to fight for a radicalization of this society. …[For example] feed[ing] people…adequate Social Security…These economic concerns must go hand-in-hand and, to a degree, precede the possibility of dealing with the MOST grievous problem—which is sexual prejudice.”

Today, blacks are no longer the litmus paper or the barometer of social change. Blacks are in every segment of society and there are laws that help to protect them from racial discrimination. THE NEW ‘NIGGERS’ ARE GAYS. No person who hopes to get politically elected, even in the deep South…would dare stand in the school door to keep blacks out. Nobody would dare openly and publicly argue that blacks should not have the right to public accommodations. Nobody would dare to say any number of things about blacks that they are perfectly prepared to say about gay people. It is in that sense that gay people are the new barometer for social CHANGE.

Indeed, if you want to know whether today people believe in democracy if you want to know whether they are true democrats, if you want to know whether they are human rights activists, the question to ask is, ‘What about gay people’? Because that is now the litmus paper by which this democracy is to be judged. The barometer for social CHANGE is measured by selecting the group that is most mistreated. To determine where society is with respect to CHANGE, one does not ask, ‘What do you think about the education of children’? Nor does one ask, ‘Do you believe the aged should have Social Security’. The question of social CHANGE should be framed with the most vulnerable group in mind: gay people.”

- gay black civil rights icon Bayard Rustin, from an address to the chapter of Black & White Men Together in the same city and in the same month in which Barack Obama delivered his speech….except Rustin’s was twenty-two years ago…right about the time Barack Obama met Jeremiah Wright.

Emphasis mine, and I’m confidant today Rustin would have said LGBT rather than just “gay” and asked Obama WHERE we were in his vision of a more perfect union.

The United States is the only country that has used nuclear weapons against human beings and yet we are the ones with the judgement to decide who should be able to build nuclear devices.

We gave Iraqi’s weapons to fight Iran. Those same weapons now kill US soldiers. It is naive to not acknowledge that our actions in trying to control and police the world led to the creation and aided the actions of terrorists.