I rest my case.

You don't know from dick. And I'm not going to read that poorly written defense of this flabby fat disgusting puddle of puss in the picture.

I know not from Hume, and if you had started any one of your comments with such adulating prose about the necessity of a body/mind dichotomy of perfection, then you may have had bought your viewpoint some credence. However, if I may quote you:

"Oh have a sheet cake, fatty."

Now, if you were to ask a very large portion of people, the above statement does not constitute any type of wisdom or philosophical grandeur. If you want to portray yourself as a wise or knowledgeable man, it may behoove you to not pepper the defense of your supposed aesthetic sensibilities with statements that show you to be nothing more than an immature boor.

Aesthetic sensibilities are not a solid reality. They are fluid and ever changing, and if you would like to contest this, let's discuss how the overall body ideal of the middle ages was one of corpulence, because wealth meant food and food meant fat, and therefore fat was beautiful.

Besides, this was never a question of aesthetic ideals. The ideal is an ideal because it rarely, if ever, exists. I was not stating that Jesse Metcalf has some sort of ideal body. He definitely does not. But to say that he is entirely unattractive demonstrates a level of obtuseness that can mean nothing more than insanity. There is nothing wrong with shooting for an ideal, but to disregard anything besides it means to spend your entire life wanting.

I agree that beauty, in the case of a human being, means some cross of the healthy body and the healthy mind. But I also think that we have gotten much farther into this than Jesse Metcalf actually merits. Now if you had begun your comments with anything written as intelligently as the comment it took you so long to finally churn out was, then you would have been able to get someone to actually listen to you without writing you off as easily as you do others. But you see, as much as you preach your aesthetic prowess, and your respect for the importance of both a healthy body AND a good disposition, your anger and your immaturity make you seem, sadly, a hypocrite.

Sounds better, though. I mean, I admit I can't write a lick, but I know the difference between good writing and bad. You, it seems, have no ear for language. You have no aesthetic sensibilities. So how can I trust you in this arena? Your point made originally was that he's in better shape than most thirty year old males. Well so what? As was challenged, that's no excuse, and it's certainly no endorsement. Lookee, I spend a good deal of my life thinking about aesthetics. It's harder than ethics for reasons that would require a class for you to appreciate, but what is beauty? For me, though I'm no aesthetic relativist, it's a good disposition and a good body (and fleshing out this would require that class I mentioned)–they are one: the flesh and the psychological. The health, and the keen mind. I can't stand a wonderful personality in the absence of physical development, nor physical sufficiency in the absence of personality. And most people are like that, ya see. Even if they admit to it or not, you look at their lives and relationships, and you get the truth.

But even that's not entirely true, for you see there are some that lack physical beauty but have such power of mind that it'd compensate. For example, there isn't a person on earth I'd rather have a drink with than david hume, and david hume was far from a decent physical specimen of the male form…far far from it, and he'd be the first to cop to it. But anyone who's reasonably acquainted with the history of philosophy wouldn't decline a pint with "mister hume" (re: thomas reid); in fact, if all philosophers were assembled at a party, there isn't anyone most people would rather sit next than him not because he was the greatest, but because he knew how to tell a joke that everyone could laugh at, and how to carry the conversation without pretension and a lifted glass.

I think that meets your challenge.

actually unbased works just as well as unfounded. Of course, unorthodox grammatical usage would be the first thing you go after in my comment, seeing as you can't actually contest anything else.

Blah blah blah, sancho. You're very mature for your mental age… Don't call me dude, bro.

I hate myself? Read that again…

Does that apply to cheesecake, too? Look, it's hard enough for us to get same sex marriage rights, so keep person food item marriage desires on the QT.

MIMI! MIMI BOBECK!

LOL! Ooookay dokey.

It kind of makes me wonder where you get this shit from? Did your mother raise you as a single mother in a trailer park? Were you the youngest that got to wear all of your sister's hand-me-downs. No wonder you are such a bitter bitch.

I'm just sayin' if you were a woman, you'd be fat (of course) and in a trailer park right now with six little kids running around with six different baby daddies…watching soap operas and eating chicken out of a bucket while putting nail polish on your lee pressons…smoking.

I'm not reading this. Are you mad? I've got work to do, sir eatalot.

Oh, I think they're "based". I think you meant unfounded. But given your lack of basic grammar and word choice, I have assumed that your fingers are fat sausages that attempt the least effort possible in typing.

I don't have a void. I've been overweight my entire life. Its just the way my metabolism works. I do exercise and I do eat right. I just have to work much harder at 30 than I did at 20 and I already had to work much harder at 20 than most of my friends. Over a course of time I just got happy being myself. I really hope that you some day learn what it is like to be happy for being yourself instead of some preconceived notion of what you think you and everyone around you should be.

Who is hungry for attention? I'm not the one here trolling the forums constantly. That would be you. I comment on issues I care about. You attack anyone that you can start an argument with.

Ok, I get it, everything you say to other people is really directed at you, and you really just don't want to admit how much it applies to you. That kind of rage and anger is much easier dealt with if you direct it at someone else. Ok, I'll be your punching bag of choice if it keeps you from slitting your wrists at night.

You are so dumb its not even funny. You started this fight by being aggressive and bitchy, and you are continuing it by using unbased insults that are basically just working to reinforce the images you have concocted in your head of everyone around you. We are judging you on your conduct, and you are judging us on nothing beyond our lack of sharing YOUR opinions. What is wrong with you?

You're thirty. I just thought I'd remind you. Thirty, and this is the zenith of your dress down.

Keep your fat tears and blubbering (pun intended) to yourself. You're the pickiest gay man you know, huh. Well, considering you live in east st. bumfuck nowheresville, most of the gay men you know are married to women and ghoul around glory holes looking for some action from ANYONE.

But I'm here to help, lambchop. I too can pretend to be dr. phil (RE: your last stanza), and I think you're just eating so many yodels to fill the void in your…stomach or head or heart, or somethin' I dunno. You need to realize that you're just really hungry for attention, and work on the little fat child trapped inside the big fat man.

People like you find a reason to self-sabotage any relationship you ever have had or ever will have because somewhere in your justification to judge everyone as less worthy than yourself you failed to realize you don't want to be happy and you simply want to loathe yourself, and everything else you cling to is simply a wall to accommodate that goal. I'm sorry that you hate yourself but still think you are better than everyone else.

did you just call cake disgusting? Isn't that like a high crime amongst you big amorphous blobs? So butterkins, do you say things like, "I couldn't eat another cheesecake!" when you could?

Sheet cake is disgusting. And also, i love that you just assume that i am some amorphous blob because my standards are less than plasticine. Real logical.

@galefan2004:

agreed.

But you are bitter and obese. Step away from the slice…quickly. Of course people like you partnered–you settle for anything that gives you a second glance. You don't have discriminating taste (pardon the pun). You're easily pleased.

This guy needs to get his stomach stapled.

What's the difference?