Are gay men more racist than straight men? My friend Colby thinks so. He’s half white/half black/all gay. “I’ve had people come up to me in predominantly white gay bars and say, “Shouldn’t you be at the black bars?” I constantly overhear gay men say, “Eeew, I’d never date a black guy.”
Of course, there are certain beliefs white men have about African-Americans that Colby doesn’t mind — like the stereotype that they have bigger equipment. Colby thinks that isn’t true (the latest medical study backs him up — it shows there is no difference in penis size between black and white men). But he thinks hey, at least that’s one stereotype that makes black gay men more appealing.
Anyway, Colby is upset about the racism he faces and rightfully so. He’s convinced that gays are more prejudiced than straights, but I’m not so sure. While nobody would deny Colby’s experiences, he doesn’t have anything to compare it to. I mean, is it any worse for straight black guys who hang out at predominantly white heterosexual bars? I bet they hear as much or more racially-tinged remarks.
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I seriously doubt gays are any more racist than straights. I just think witnessing or experiencing racism is more profound when it comes from us. After all, we’re a group that is systematically discriminated against at all levels of society. When we see or experience members of our tribe doing what’s done to us it has a powerful impact. Because it’s more memorable we tend to project out and think there’s a lot more of it than there really is.
Let me give you an example: I have a good friend who is gay, Latino, and has an Arab-sounding name. He’s like a triple-threat to bigots. He’s heard it all (“You’re nothing but a dirty Mexican,” “Your people flew jets into our buildings”) and experienced it all (constantly stopped at airports and pulled over by police drug dragnets).
And yet.
And yet he constantly uses the “N” word and spouts off some of the most hideously stereotyped racist garbage you’ve ever heard. How is this possible? It’s the equivalent of watching an innocent man get beaten by a bat turn around and beat the innocent man next to him with it.
You’d think my friend would stop as he raised the bat to strike and think, “Wait, isn’t this the same bat those haters use on me for no good reason? Why am I doing the same thing?”
But he doesn’t. And neither do other prejudiced gay men. The different are not so different with the different than we think.
But are we any worse than our straight counterparts? I don’t think so. Racism is just more repugnant when we express it because we should know better.
Jay Tee
Never heard that type of crap in London. Not saying it never happened, but the bars and clubs are fairly mixed.
Carl Lemaire
no
Ignacio Alvarez
I would say yes, I have experienced it…
Darrel Brown
Yes
James Sigmon
I would say yes.
Roberson Randy
Speaking from experience YES!!!!
Brian Brown
Unfortunately yes.
Hawg G Wilde
Hell yes
Robert James
Yes!
Caoimhin Mikael Lycke
I think people project THEIR racism onto others.
Robert James
Hell the title alone is exclusionary and divisive. It makes the assumption that the readership is white.
Caoimhin Mikael Lycke
Not so in northeastern United States or the west coast .
Mark Pointon
I’m not – get bored of Vanilla 😛 Gimmie some chocolate or caramel flavoured men 😉
Danny Severino
Yes we are
SportGuy
Duh, of course the answer is yes! It’s so sad because the community is always fighting for fair treatment when we don’t even treat each other equally.
polarisfashion
Just read some of the profiles on these hookup sites and there is your answer.
Realitycheck
@SportGuy: True and it is sad.
Paul David Liehr
The horrendous level of vitriol that comes our way from parts of the Black community probably plays into this .
Realitycheck
@polarisfashion: Preference is just preference, you guys got
to stop that, can’t force people to like what they do not like.
I am white and I like Asians, latino and black, and prefer not to date whites.
Doe that make me bad? No I am hardwired that way, we all are in different ways.
I said this in the past, it would be nice if guys were more polite in their profiles,
no need to shout “I do not like” vs “I prefer this” …………….
But not liking something is not the R thing, it is simply taste, what people like.
Realitycheck
I did post the R word and get my article moderated so here it goes again with R for that word LOL
2 Things……….
I don’t know if gays guys are more R, many of them are, no bones about that,
I would say many gay guys are poison snakes and will make nasty remarks about
anyone and some time even walk to some one they dislike for no particular
reason and make nasty remarks.
OK this is yet another time I read on Queerty “no difference of size”
I had few black guys, hot guys, and they ALL had massive endowments.
Who does those studies? Just yahoo big and black you know what and see whats comes out.
Stan Schulz
I’ve yet to read an article written by an expert on this topic. My God, at least interview one sociologist. You’re just playing on people’s emotions.
AlliterationAddict
@Jay Tee: I don’t know about you, but I’ve only been in London for a grand total of two weeks and in that time I’ve had that crap happen to me several times.
Cam
Where have you seen more white and non white couples, with gay guys, or straight guys.
I’ve seen far far more racially diverse gay couples than I’ve seen straight guys with black or Latino women. (I left out Asian women because that seems to be a major outlier with straight men).
I don’t deny the experiences of the people mentioned in the article, but what we seem to get a lot of on here is people saying “Yes, I heard a gay guy saying he wouldn’t date a black guy, so gay guys are more rac-ist”. I’m guessing if that person was ever in a straight bar you would hear similar or worse. I’m not hearing that those cops in Ferguson acted that way because they were gay.
AlliterationAddict
@Realitycheck: But look, here’s the issue. Obviously, individuals are going to have their preferences. That’s completely fine. I personally think that people are missing out if they’re not at least willing to push themselves outside their comfort zone. But maybe they already have, didn’t like it, and I’m not going to shame people for doing something that they don’t like.
But the issue isn’t that some people have their preferences. It’s that everybody seems to have the same preferences, and that tends to exclude people of color. Look, I’m not saying that if you don’t like black or brown guys, then shame on you, go out and fuck one right now. Obviously, that’s not reasonable. I’m just saying that maybe we should take some time for introspection and ask ourselves is it’s possible that we’re being driven by something other than pure aesthetic taste here.
And lets be honest. If tomorrow, everybody decided that they didn’t want to fuck white guys, the rest of us would never hear the end of it.
AlliterationAddict
Yes and no. As a community? Well, based on my experiences of dating in high school, before I came out, and dating in college, when I was out and proud, then yes. That is, unless straight women just seem to find me more attractive than gay men do. (not proud of the whole not coming out in high school thing, but hey, that was the deal). Also, I’ve heard a lot more open racism from gay people.
Why do I say no? Well, my biggest issue with racism in the gay community is that it treats people of color as a group and not as individuals. And it would be unfair for me to turn around and do the exact same thing. I’ve met lots of fantastic gay people with very open minded views. In the end, it’s a matter of finding the right people and surrounding yourself with them.
Charles Begley
perhaps……………….!
Kenneth Chang
Absolutely true.
Cam
@AlliterationAddict:
You’re comparing straight women to gay men, the question was straight men compared to gay men.
I do see far more interracial couples where the woman is white, but far fewer couples where the straight man is white and the woman is, say black or latino
Don Bradshaw
Yes, among other things
Greg Marmai
Yes.
Sanquan Evans
Yes more so
Don Bradshaw
I think yes, because we are more damaged
Xzamilio
@Caoimhin Mikael Lycke: Bullcrap. It’s just as prevalent in those places too
Joseph Watkins
Yes I hate foreign gay guys they should be shot
Xzamilio
@Realitycheck: Okay, you’re not “hardwired” to prefer certain races over another. Heck, there is a certain body type I preferred for years, but that changed over time, and one thing I noticed was that if the guy fit that type, it didn’t matter what color his skin was… I seriously don’t get that hangup about skin tones or features at all. I guess now I’m just whorish because body doesn’t matter at all to me… just proportion.
Brian Bigham-Hellums
No. I think it’s more noticeable but no more rampant than amongst straights.
Jar3d
Yes. And black guys are definitely bigger.
Garrett Piersa
I would say some are and some aren’t. Why not get a professional opinion from a sociologist? They’d know the answer, probably.
Brandon Corbin
Yes
Arcamenel
I can only speak about my own experience but the first time I was confronted with blatant racism was by a gay white man and most of the racial microaggressions I have endured have been because of white gay men so….
Louis
Unfortunately there are narrowminded and ignorant people in every faction whether race ethnicity nationality religion sexual orientation and so on .
Its best though to not let these few misguided individuals paint us all in the same light that would be of course stereotyping.
On another note can someone please tell me who the guy is on the right in that picture at the top?
Ive seen him many many times I used to have his picture on my old laptop but I cant for the life of me remember his name.
He was on a Mexican or Spanish soap actor and posed completely nude at one point and it was circulated all over the internet many many many years ago.
Any help would be truly appreciated.
J Robert Hogg
Hell YA….the racism within the LGBTQ community is alarming…
Nick Porter
Yup
Enrique Alberto Palacios-Pereida
Yes it is. experienced it personally.
Mickel Paris
I see far more interracial straight couples.
Justice Needs Love
Yes I guess it because so many have been treated as useless or broken they cling to the first thing they have which is race solidarity
Ronnie Wayne Brown
Are we talking “taste” or actual racism? I have preferences when it comes to men I date but I don’t hate the men I prefer not to date and it has NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.
osman
As a muslim I feel sad to say I get it all the time especially by gay men. Im Proud to be Muslim and Gay !
Qoute from Martin Luther King: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”
Dzaman Dzan
True.
Anthony Grayson
Yeah. Racism in the gay community is rampant. And you all know that it’s true too.
Jeffrey Jeannotte
Yes
Oliver Cambridge
Racism is a closeted universal human truth 🙂 Gay or No Gay 😉
Merv
@osman: Islam is a religion, not a race. Also, Islam and homosexuality are incompatible, so that might have had something to do with the negative reaction you experienced. You can’t expect gay people to have warm fuzzy feelings about Islam after watching videos and seeing pictures of gay people being executed in the most horrific ways in the name of Islam.
Dayle Michael
Yes unfortunately it just shows how uneducated some people are
Henry Collazo Canchola
Gay men are picky with their boys, like straight men are picky with their girls… It’s a guy thing. So they’re even.
Thomas Britton
It depends on the individual I know some the gay or straight but are assholes ð??³
JennyFromdabloc
No. Society as a whole is still grappling with living together. The LGBT community is a subset said society.
No one is morally obligated to sleep with anyone. Our moral obligation lies in checking people who make rude, ignorant comments mentioned in the article. People are entitled to their taste and preference but there is no need for ugly attitude.
Javal Wilson
So true
jwtraveler
This is an article about r–ism and yet my comment gets flagged for using the word “r–ism”. Whassup wit dat?
To quote the musical “Avenue Q”: Everyone’s a little bit r–ist.
Rather than waste our time on these stupid competitions, we should focus on how to reduce and eliminate r–ism and other forms of bigotry. Pointing fingers might feel good, but it doesn’t accomplish anything.
crowebobby
@Anthony Grayson: While homophobia in the black community is practically non-existent.
Sage Jaurequi
Deplorable. #1 reason I stay away from gay bars. I see it amongst our own, the “FRIENDS” (as in show) syndrome, . Guys that surround themselves with other white guys, maybe a token Latino if he looks/acts white. We are our own worst enemy.
JAWIWA
The level of bigotry is the same. The difference is that a bigoted straight guy will still sleep with a hot black or brown girl. A bigoted gay guy won’t sleep with a hot black/brown guy.
TK
@Jar3d: I’m sorry but, black men are not bigger than a white fella. That’s a crock! I have black female friends who can state the exact same thing. Word to the wise, your dick is a muscle and like all muscles we work on our bodies, you dick is also worked (spank your monkey, flog your log etc). What appears to be small when your young, pending on how often you “choke your chicken”, this organ will eventually grow. Perhaps, those black men, jerked off enough times, their manhood is bigger? I guess growing up in Toronto’s gay community, I never witnessed any form of skin discrimination, for I had a good mix of friends, who were of different nationalities. I’ve dated out of my own comfort zone (mainly for my own experiences) but I wouldn’t discriminate against anyone, since being gay, we are discriminated against frequently. Look at the mess in Indiana? Or Oklahoma? Or, or, or. Above all this, if you encounter a well hung black man, consider yourself lucky. Not all black men are hung like a mule. If you seek out those who are, then average size is not for you, whereas, a man’s dick should never be the bases of anything. It’s not how big his dick is, it’s how he uses it. Bigger is not always, better.
mozzer
Definetly! I just brush it off most times though as bitchy queens trying
To be witty in front of their friends. Im Latino and I’ve heard things like “oh look the
Cleaning crews here!” Or “wheres immigration when you need them!” Haha very funny.
jadorejaime
@Louis: Rafael Verga
Mike Burke
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Emilio Fernandez
Yes. Yes you are. Just by that title alone in it’s assumption, you prove that you are. But poc already know this.
Jar3d
Bigger is not always better? Lol, keep telling yourself that. Anyway, in my experience black guys have been consistently bigger.
AxelDC
I’ve dated guys of several different races/ethnicities and it’s not a big deal. I’m white, my partner is white, but I’ve had boyfriends who were black, Asian, Latino, Persian, Jewish, etc.
jimstoic
There’s a fine line between looksism and racism. Racism includes a hierarchy of better and worse race(s). If the reason someone isn’t attracted to a man of another race because he considers that other race inferior, it’s racism. If the lack of attraction is due to not appreciating the way the person looks, it’s looksism. Looksism applies to weight, muscularity, hair color, eye color, endowment, and more, but can also include skin color and other traits associated with race. Identifying the problem as looksism doesn’t make it less a problem, but it clarifies what the real issue is.
skcord
@mozzer: Are you serious!?! That makes me extra sad! As a black guy in AZ I’ve experienced more racism in the gay community than I have in the straight world, but nothing as overtly offensive as that!
osman
@Merv: Merv your reaction is exactly what I am talking about ! Just because there is some crazy people who call themselves muslims and commit sick crimes against humans, you cant paint us all with the same brush !!
there is good and bad in every religion and race !
learn to love everyone and dont generalise !!!
ps: i put that qoute in because the whole topic was about racism and its a nice qoute !
Mikah
Hmm,that’s interesting.Of course Gay people are no exception to racism,but as a black man I have yet to experience such racism in the Gay community.I’ve seen many interracial Gay couples,and I’ve always admired beautiful men,regardless of their race.Race has never mattered to me and it never will.Also,their is nothing wrong with preferences.One of my Hispanic friends find black men to be very attractive.Should he feel bad about showing favor to black men??What do people want? Disrespect is one thing,but someone simply saying that they prefer this or that,it is what it is.
Marcos Villareal
It’s unfortunate the writer did not distinguish the difference between racism and predjuice-it’s clear this piece was written by a white person
Zack Z
Pretty much the most idiotic question you could pose. Trying to attract more readers by being inflammatory?.
Ogre Magi
I would think they are about the same
Franklin
Is there more racism in the gay community? Maybe. But I’ll tell you one thing,from what I’ve seen,gay more gay men are more comfortable openly expressing it. As a black gay man, I have felt far more welcome in straight bars then gay bars, and that includes Country Western bars.
Ivan Moncada
Andres Arevalo honestly….
Louis Nesiama
I love gay guys
TemptyK
Well, I just don’t consider race. I consider everything. Race, complexion, height, build, language, circumcision status among other things. Yeah, I’m that shallow!
But to answer your question: yes. Yes, we are!
Jamal Gregory Baghdadi
There is only one race. The human race.
Gregory McDaniel
The Gay community should have learned the lesson that bigotry is wrong. The same can be said for the Black community.
Blackceo
I don’t know if they are more rac*st than straights but definitely equal. The ignorance that I have seen and heard through the years is just pretty pathetic.
Tackle
I would definitely say yes. If you break away from the Black abd White issue, and take all ethnicities into consideration: compare this to the number of White straight men dating and marrying Asian women, then you cab see an easy conclusion.
And the link to the journal of Medicine about the penis size study is a joke. It looses credibility and cannot be taken seriously by saying things like, ” in no body area are Black men larger than White men”. Really! Black people in general tend to have bigger butts.So Black and White are equal in butt size? And it has been my experience that Black men do have large penises than White men. Not that it matters, but it seems that some White men just cannot let this go. Someone is so insecure regarding this,that they need to m s make themselves feel better…
SonOfKings
I hate to sat it, but I believe that White, gay men are more racially and more racially exclusive than their straight counterparts, because the gay world is a more insular, clique-driven, exclusive boys club to begin with. White boys stick tgether like mounds of mashed potatos and they don’t want no gravy and no rice in the mix! Men of color, as always, are on their own. And the sex alone will be off the chain, come this Black Pride season!
john
@TK: To you Sir..who wrote…”Word to the wise, your dick is a muscle and like all muscles we work on our bodies, you dick is also worked (spank your monkey, flog your log etc). What appears to be small when your young, pending on how often you “choke your chicken”, this organ will eventually grow. Perhaps, those black men, jerked off enough times, their manhood is bigger?”
That’s not how it Works…That’s Not How Any of this Works! (esurance) LOL LOL
DistingueTraces
The only direct expressions of open racism I’ve encountered in the past several years have come from gay men.
I think, though, that’s simply because I’ll sometimes spend time with other gay men who I share nothing in common with besides sexuality. The rest of my social life selects out the trash, but my love life … unfortunately sometimes less so.
Steven Zumbrun
Impressions are not truth. How could you possibly measure something like this?
McShane
About the same, I guess. I actually don’t know any r@cist people, so. The last time I was called something r@cist, was by another gay guy. Most of my gay friends are bears, and they are usually super chill with everyone. And I’ve never met a r@cist lesbian, ever.
ppp111
I’m inclined to say yes. I think it’s changing as the community grows more diverse but the standard of beauty is still a Western white male.
Giancarlo85
ABSOLUTELY. Funny how I can’t use the same word that this article did. YOu even see it on this site. Recently some nutcase by the name of ocodone said the country I came from was disgusting and backwards. White gay men are often highly ra*c*ist towards LGBTQQI minorities… at least this is what I often notice. I think we need to fix our own issues.
On a personal note, gay white men tend to stay far away from gay latinos. And generally us Latinos stick to our own anyways.
People say there are more interracial couples, but I don’t see that. Rarely do you see Latinos with gay white men.
Look this is all my opinion. I’m not trying to change anyones opinion on anything. If you disagree with me, I respect that.
Realitycheck
@AlliterationAddict:
Sure, there is a a common mentality that closes people minds
about other races, and since I do like asians and black I have seen
that with every race, are white more prone to it?
Probably, because they have been the dominating race for a long time
and they have been perceived as the standard of beauty for as long.
Fortunately both are at end as the rest of the planet is developing and
proposing many images of beauty in every culture and race.
Realitycheck
@Xzamilio: ha ha ha
you are not whorish, you are open minded and have the
capacity to enjoy all diverse forms of beauty 🙂
Realitycheck
@osman:
Muslim hate gay people, in many Arabian countries it is death penalty
for gay, so why the heck are you muslim?
Free yourself of these chains, I did with christianity, it seem hard at
first but if think with logic, why would you want to believe in some thing that hates you???
People should not discriminate against you if you are gay, but if you say you
are muslim, well gay people are not going to have anice image in their mind.
AlliterationAddict
@Realitycheck: I just think that it’s important that people are aware that this is a thing. I don’t think that it’s fair to go around and say ‘tsk tsk’ to everyone. It’s not like white gay people today had a say in something that’s been taking place over generations. And a lot of these issues have seeped their way into the mindsets of people of color as well. It just frustrates me when people outright deny that this can be a problem. So thanks for looking at this with an open-minded point of view.
Sebizzar
Do we really have to ask? I have yet to see a straight guy’s profile say “no blacks, Asians” etc.
Pistolo
If you’re interested in gay men, being that you’re gay yourself, wouldn’t you be much, much more attentive to what gay men think of you? Colby’s perspective can’t possibly be objective. Plus, it’s hugely regional, some place PEOPLE in general are just like that.
I’m sick of gay people stabbing each other in the back…
Luis J. Vega
I need popcorn this is entertaining.
SportGuy
Of course gays are more so, those who try to deny it are either too stupid to realize it or just trying to make themselves look better by saying its a “preference”, so keep telling yourself that, and maybe one day you will believe it. These kinds of guys are no matter than whites in the klan.
jwtraveler
@Merv: So you’re saying that white, Christian gay men don’t like Muslim gay men because Muslims are anti-gay? I don’t know how else to put this: That is so stupid!
jwtraveler
@Sebizzar: Straight men are so desperate to get laid, they’ll screw anything with 2 breasts and a vagina. And many of them are so wrapped up in misogyny that racism takes a back seat.
Jimm Wiedeman
I see racism in the gay community. It def happens. And it’s sad.
Flemming Nielsen
Nah, I do not think so, but then might really depend on where you live and the bunch of people you hang out with.
Avery Alvarez
I think many people project their own insecurities onto other people, and then blame them for it.
Doug Collins
I don’t think so at all. What gay planet are you living on?
Merv
@jwtraveler: It’s not stupid at all, and has nothing to do with race. Islam is an objectively anti-gay religion, and violently so. Gay people with any sense therefore have an intense antipathy toward it. If we see a gay person embracing Islam, we rightly think there is something not quite right about him and will make a point of avoiding him.
spiffy
This is click-baiting at its worst. We’re never going to resolve this ongoing problem in one article or one opinion poll. I’ve read every single comment so far, and I’ve yet to see a solution. And frankly the more I read about it the more frustrated and confused I feel.
On one hand I understand that everyone has their likes and dislikes, myself included; however that doesn’t sting any less every time I read or hear the “it’s just a preference” defense, whether it’s sincere or a disguise for you-know-what.
I realize this article is addressing whether there are differences between gay and non-gay men; but I can’t help but wonder why the lesbian community seemingly has much less problems with this issue. Are some of us gay males just living to that stereotype, that we’re such visual animals that we can’t see beyond exterior no matter what?
Louis
@jadorejaime:
Yay ty so much truly appreciated man. 🙂
hylas01
When my partner and I started dating, we had the race talk. He said he only dated white guys. I said I only dated black guys. So I guess we qualify as raci*t, but then again, if we’re an interracial couple are we really?
Darrius Vee P Ashleigh
Racism and taste/sexual preference are not one in the same. I think people mistake someone’s sexual preference as a form of racism and its insane.
Calebspapi
A few quick things. The article title is very telling as it relates to the story. The “we” referenced is obviously white guys, but this ignores the men of color that view this site. Once again erasing us from the gay community. ..again, as usual.
Next, there are replies from guys that run to the sex/preferences bull. But what about the non sexual statements and actions, which is what the story is about? That is why you are viewed as shallow and only about sex.
Finally, once again white people are asked to judge their own bad behavior in a verbal circle j*rk setting. That is why every single man of color said YES! It is not the non sexual attraction, rather the boldness, and arrogance in which you so casually express it.
Oh..and trying to deflect from the question towards alleged black homophobia is just lazy. Whites are much more homophobic. See: DADT, southern laws, prop 8, Indiana, Arkansas, the Catholic church, the Mormon church, the entire Republican party…
jwtraveler
@Merv: Again, stupid!
jwtraveler
@Merv: I should add that I, personally, would have no interest in a man who fervently embraced ANY religion as I see religion as the most destructive, anti-human force in the world, and could never relate emotionally to someone who felt so differently.
Merv
@jwtraveler: So, you think it’s stupid but you agree with me about it. At least you’re honest.
Josh447
To each his own.
hellogorgeous
@Merv: Why do you say “we,” as if every gay person shares your crass and offensive beliefs? Try speaking from the “I” perspective; you don’t have the authority to speak for the entire gay community. Like jwtraveler, I tend not to support any sort of organized religion, but why are you singling out Islam?
Most of the world’s major religions are blatantly homophobic. And those terrorists you referred to aren’t accurate representations of Islam because their actions are dictated by their devotion to terrorism and crime, not to Allah and Islam. Based on your comments, you don’t associate with any (gay) Muslims — which is your own loss — but not only that, you’re also generalizing an entire group of people, based on what – a group of brainwashed sociopaths in ski masks?
You’re making several assumptions about entire groups of people, with whom you’re not familiar or knowledgable about, which is so incredibly stupid. You’re clearly prejudiced, like practically all human beings, but you let those prejudices affect your actions and the ways, in which you treat people, which is wrong. This is the same phenomenon that causes r***ial profiling and r***ist acts in general. Ignorant, lazy idiots watch the other idiots on the likes of Fox News discuss ISIL or a local robbery, and because ISIL has the word “Islamic” in it, all Muslims are terrorists, and because the robber in that story was black, all robbers are black. Idiocy at it’s finest.
Merv
@hellogorgeous:
“why are you singling out Islam?”
Who said I’m singling out Islam? As many people here can attest, I talk almost incessantly against Christianity, often to people’s annoyance, whenever the topic comes up. I think this is the first time I’ve talked about Islam. Just like I don’t feel the need to mention Islam whenever I talk about Christianity, I don’t feel the need to mention Christianity whenever I talk about Islam.
“those terrorists you referred to aren’t accurate representations of Islam because their actions are dictated by their devotion to terrorism and crime, not to Allah and Islam”
Those terrorists, particularly ISIS, are scrupulous in their devotion to the teachings and traditions of Islam. Every time they decapitate someone, or take slaves, or rape women, or throw gay people off buildings, or destroy historical sites, they point to specific verses in the Koran or Hadith to justify their actions. Their leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has a BA, MA, and PhD in Islamic Studies for the Islamic University of Baghdad. It’s also telling that ISIS proudly uses videos of beheadings and similar atrocities as recruiting tools, AND IT WORKS! Devout Muslims by the thousands from Europe and all over the world abandon school, jobs, family, and run off to the Islamic State to join the Caliphate. Is that an example of a healthy culture? And people who say ISIS is unIslamic don’t know what they’re talking about and need to read the Atlantic piece What ISIS Really Wants by Graeme Wood.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Polling of Muslims in the Middle East has shown massive and sometimes overwhelming support for killing people who they deem violate the rules of Islam. Here are the percentages of Muslims in some of our ally states that support Sharia as the law of the land: Iraq 91%, Afghanistan 99%, Egypt 74%, Pakistan 84%. Of those supporting Sharia, high percentages support executing people for leaving Islam: Egypt 86%, Pakistan 76%, Afghanistan 79%, Jordan 82%. The percentage of Muslims who find homosexuality acceptable is less than 5% in almost every country polled. These kinds of views aren’t absent from Muslims in the West. Zero percent of Muslims polled in the UK thought homosexuality was morally acceptable. ZERO PERCENT!!! The percentage of young Muslims in major democracies in Western Europe (UK, France, Germany, Spain) who say suicide bombings are justified range from 22% to 42%. These statistics and other actions paint a picture of a culture that is very sick. I unapologetically question the judgment of anyone claiming affinity for such a culture rather than strongly rejecting it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness/2013/11/19/are-british-muslims-a-threat-to-gay-people-polling-on-homophobia-sharia-law-and-violence/
jar
I would venture that there is no difference in r@cist tendencies between gay and straight white americans. Perceptions are not data. Indeed, people often have expectations that members of minority group are more enlightened due to their personal experience. This is a fallacy. Enlightenment (as in having a more open mind towards differences) does not occur by osmosis. It is fostered through experience, reflection, and empathy.
I would argue that those who think gay white men are more r@cist than their straight counterparts have placed greater expectations on gay men. It’s no different than bisexuals making the same claim. It’s because one expects less from the straight hegemony. If we reduce this discussion to real world experiences, I can say I have never heard of a group of gay white men physically attacking a black man, or chasing him onto a highway, etc. Granted, these extreme experiences are not the totality of r@cism by any means, but they are informative. I also have been in gay bars where black patrons were either carded, not let in, or given worse service. I don’t patronize those places.
jwtraveler
@Merv: Critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit.
Merv
@jwtraveler: Out of ammo?
Giancarlo85
@jwtraveler: He’s a bullshit artist who doesn’t really pay attention to what’s happening in the real world. All of his posts are “anti-Islam” and pro-Christian. He refuses to address Christian abuses, including in the numerous Christian countries in Africa that either sentence homosexuals to life imprisonment or death (such as Uganda).
Merv is an ignorant idiot. What about the 400,000 Iraqis the US killed? Not a peep from this raving lunatic.
ParisHiltonsBadEye
Of Course they are. On top of that, trying being an overweight person of color in a gay bar. Even on bear/chub/cub night, I’m totally ignored. Maybe it’s for the better, I haven’t gotten any STD’s — Not yet!
osman
@Giancarlo85: Thanks for sticking up for me as I am muslim and constantly feel i have to speak up for my community !!
I am a muslim and I am gay and proud I Europe we have muslim gay bars in London
Paris, Germany so people reading this blog dont listen to Merv and learn to love everyone !!!
osman
@Merv: thanks for being someone who does not judge people on their race, religion or skin colour, wish there was more people like you in ths world !!
Merv
@Giancarlo85: “All of his posts are “anti-Islam” and pro-Christian. He refuses to address Christian abuses”
If you think that, you don’t know me at all. Ask Little Kiwi. He thinks I’m an anti-Christian nut. I simply refuse to play the game that says we’re obligated to bring up Christianity every time we talk about Islam. Sometimes I will and sometimes I won’t, because sometimes it’s relevant and sometimes it isn’t.
Xzamilio
Oh wow… So “r@cist” really is flagged? Not trying to tell you guys what to do, but is that really a word that needs to be censored?
captainburrito
@Jay Tee: It’s probably due to demographics. In the US there are enough of every race depending on where you live for them to live more or less segregated.
Suncoaster
All the world has many many varieties of fabulous men, thank goodness.
ric
I would 1’000% yes. From my experience some white men saw me as a trophy to show off. And i get messages from white men saying i love black men. And i have had more than a few white men kill the sex when they say to me give me all of that black or chocolate D. When they said that the sex was over. White Men remember we are huumen. Not sex toys or trophies.
spanprof
We’re more exposed to it–that can trigger it. “Fucking faggot” does not translate to “get out of here, fucking breeder!”
honestguy111
Yes and the reason is that GAY MEN ARE EXTREMELY INSECURE. SOCIETY HAS FUCKED THEM UP IN THE HEAD AND IN GENERAL GAY MEN ARE IRRATIONAL AND FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD THEY LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE THEY ARE DEEMED AS UNACCEPTABLE. THEY QUESTION THEIR ATTRACTIVENESS AND DESIRABILITY AND DESPERATELY NEED TO FEEL WANTED BY ANOTHER MAN.
In their insecurity they do things like this. Other gay races envy black gay men, we have better skin and look better for much longer, we have big lips, great bodies, we make the culture, we’re cool, we’re more creative, have bigger dicks, we’re the best in bed and we’re the original people and we’ve probably taken some of their dudes and or broke their hearts at some point. It is what it is.
I personally don’t go to gay clubs anymore because gay men in general are very hostile and fucked up in the brain. I’ve always pulled dudes of every race because not only am I attractive outwardly but I have a nice personality.
js3795
Gay men are the biggest hypocrites of ALL TIME!! Always have been. I’m in an interracial relationship, and we are open. My partner and I always come up against guys who have a “preference” which does not include black men. It’s unbelievable in this day and age, truly. Homo’s are the WORST!!!!!! It’s why I don’t do pride events, I’m not proud to be part of the “gay community”.