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Pope Dedicates Christmas Speech To Hating On The Gays

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By:           Les Fabian Brathwaite
On:           Dec 21, 2012
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    • Scott
      Scott

      So, sex and gender are “no longer a given element of nature,” yet “in the past [the role of sex and gender] was chosen [chosen] for us by society.” Maybe I’m confused here, but it sounds like he’s saying there’s an alleged natural order that’s completely socially constructed? I guess he’s the Pope and can spout that sort of self-contradictory nonsense. God forbid he preach a message of love or tolerance or anything.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      A picture says a thousand words.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Eldred
      Eldred

      Looking at that picture the only words come to my mind were” Yessssss, yesssss, come to the dark siiiiiiiiide”. Horrible.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      There is nothing more angry than a bitter old closet case.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hephaestion
      hephaestion

      His name is not Pope Benedict.
      It is Pope Maledict the Closet Case.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • krazy
      krazy

      Anyone see a resemblance

      http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2272822272/tt0060345

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MACDONALDBANK
      MACDONALDBANK

      Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return … it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls — all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

      The evil writings in Leviticus 18:22 … against gays – depict: “P” … “priestly rules” & expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds … to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public — but to priests.

      There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2012 year old fictional cult.
      In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity!
      Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.

      It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives is shameful.

      Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God.

      Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; torahs – old testament/new testament bibles have been getting away with corruption and cultism based on bogus hocus pocus.

      Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 10:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dionte
      Dionte

      The look on his face when he dies and finds out his God doesn’t exist. Priceless.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 12:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jonathonz
      Jonathonz

      @krazy: Totally! He totally looks like a movie villain. Wow.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 12:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RSun
      RSun

      @MACDONALDBANK: Totally agree.
      “I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” —Stephen F Roberts

      Dec 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @hephaestion: No, it’s Pope Neo-Nazi Child Rapist as in yes I am openly saying the current pope is a paedophile.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BikeHulk
      BikeHulk

      @Scott: Word, @haphaestion. Although calling it self-contradictory nonsense is too kind. His “Holiness” and the Taliban should hang out, seems they have a lot in common, philosophically.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • queerty1958
      queerty1958

      Three words to the Pope…
      GO TO HELL!

      Dec 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • queerbec
      queerbec

      How the hell would he know? How can he tell we are denying our nature? Has he found it easy to deny his?

      Dec 21, 2012 at 6:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MK Ultra
      MK Ultra

      DIE ALREADY.
      Why is it that the good die young, but evil clutches it’s scaled,clawed tenticles onto life till 112

      Dec 21, 2012 at 7:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jmmartin
      jmmartin

      Whenever a religious nut starts talking about nature, watch out! The Church is really big on nature, e.g. “natural rights,” by which they do NOT mean the inalienable rights of the Constitution. The RCC has aligned itself with almost every conflict throughout history and done more to obstruct the advancement of science. No, natural means one thing to the Vatican and something else to non-believers.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 8:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jimcracky
      Jimcracky

      Curiously, the Bible says the Church is the Bride of Christ. The Catholic Church is headed by the Pope. It sounds to me like he’s already in a same-sex marriage and just doesn’t know it. LOL

      Dec 21, 2012 at 8:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      I want Christmas cards made from this photo. It’s priceless.

      Dec 21, 2012 at 8:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayjim1969
      gayjim1969

      @Scott: My thoughts exactly. If sexuality was made by God as an unchanging “element of nature,” then how is sexual diversity possible in the first place? And why is there a need for society to “chose” it for us? The Pontiff is apparently talking out of both sides of his mouth. (That picture makes me wonder if he’s talking out both sides of his forked tongue as well.) {Shivers}

      Dec 22, 2012 at 1:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Guillermo3
      Guillermo3

      @1EqualityUSA: Absolutely,1 EqualityUSA ! A thousand EVIL words__Make one glad for the doctrine of clerical celibacy,though castration might be a better guarantee!

      Dec 22, 2012 at 2:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Guillermo3
      Guillermo3

      @hephaestion: That priceless,hephaestion! A real life horror show in 3-D!

      Dec 22, 2012 at 2:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      Sheer popery, or is it popourri? What could be more “unnatural” than a man who prances around in fancy robes and Gucci pumps? Talk about self-creation!

      Dec 22, 2012 at 2:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Someguy
      Someguy

      Praise Him!!
      PS: Living for all the to die for chintz in St. Peter’s.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 2:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Guillermo3
      Guillermo3

      @Joel J: Or Popetry[Puppetry?],JoelJ! If that’s what the self-created looks like,atheism seems like a good alternative.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 3:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Guillermo3
      Guillermo3

      @2eo: I think I asked you this before,2eo,but don’t see my question posted:I wouldn’t doubt that the current Pope is,or has been a child molestor,but on what do you base your certain-seeming assertion?

      Dec 22, 2012 at 3:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayjim1969
      gayjim1969

      Isn’t it against human nature for priests to be celibate? This was never a Biblical decree. It wasn’t until the Council of Elvira in 306 CE that there was a decree forbidding clerics from marrying. The Church self-created themselves that way.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 3:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      If catholics needed evidence gayness is antichristian or that gay people embody Antichrist they need only look through this comments section. You guys just helped cement the enmity of 900 million people to the equality cause.
      You could also have done your best to show how tolerant and friendly gay people are and how being is quite ok, but no it had to be Antichrist…

      The funny thing is that you are all going to Hell (those of you who are not already in it). The Hell of a meaningless existence, fear of death and fear of the slow rot of old age. Doing your best to keep age away, drown the symptoms of advancing age with hedonism on the fuck deck of gay cruise, drugs or simple materialism that can only keep you happy for about 20 min eveytime you buy something new.
      The fear keeps creeping in however, turning 26 was bad enough, how about 56? Not so popular in gay culture then? Drooling over 20 somethings in morning goods here, and being called a troll or pedo for desiring younger men…

      These issues can be resolved not only through religion, but that is the most accessible solution. This is why gays in Denmark have fought for the right to have a church wedding. Because many self-identify as christian. There is nothing in christianity that is incompatible with being gay. St Paul didnt like gays, but then he didnt like women. God is infinitely greater than St Paul, and gays can of course reap the same benefits from religion that people have enjoyed since the beginning of time.

      Be atheists all you like, but stop making all gays the archenemies of religious people. It is so counterproductive to equality which can only be based on tolerance, not monomanic egocentrencity and your looney ravings…

      Dec 22, 2012 at 5:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      *Egocentricity

      Dec 22, 2012 at 5:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      The solution to hate and intolerance is not really counter-hate and more intolerance, it is to love thy neighbour and forgive him his sins as you would want to be forgiven for your sins…

      But then that was Christ’s teachings and you dont really believe in that… So choose the path of the dark side and go to Hell. Everyone gets what they want or reap as they sow

      Dec 22, 2012 at 5:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @Guillermo3: Unfortunately they do an amazing job at removing articles and references.

      Ratzinger has served at around 7 different buildings in his time as a Nazicatholic, the only other people to get moved around are those convicted of child abuse. To move up in the heirarchy of the church they are to a man paedophiles. It is a sickening indictment of religious servitude that these child r@pists are allowed to incestuously have say in the lives of billions.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 6:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @Guillermo3: Unfortunately they do an amazing job at removing articles and references.

      Ratzinger has served at around 7 different buildings in his time as a N@zicatholic, the only other people to get moved around are those convicted of child abuse. To move up in the heirarchy of the church they are to a man p@edophiles. It is a sickening indictment of religious servitude that these child r@pists are allowed to inc3stuously have say in the lives of billions.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 6:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: Which historical benefits of religion did you have in mind? The burning of witches, torture on the rack, beheadings, the Tudors were especially generous in bestowing benefits on their path to Heaven.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 11:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: One does not have to be a hedonist to be an atheist. One could just as easily be an aesthete, a humanist, or a pedantic fool of any available variety.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 11:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @MartinDK: Funny you should mention egocrentrism while going on a self righteous rant. I am sad to say I read the whole thing, and absolutely to form it was utter shash.

      I’m an Atheist and a Humanist, I believe in helping people. NO religion is about helping, none of them do anything to help, they take and condemn, that is literally ALL they do, absolutely and completely.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 12:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @MartinDK: I hope you have a wonderful festivus and may his noodly appendage touch you where the priests actually do on children, by the million.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      It was just announced on the news that the Pope has pardoned his private secretary for bringing to light the scandalous secrets within the Holy See. Treason and pedophilia are pardonable sins within the Church, but those who stray from Vatican dicta on any of several subjects, including homosexuality, are ex-communicated. Oh, the arrogance of power. And all in the name of God!

      Dec 22, 2012 at 12:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @Joel J: Indeed, take a look at this.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Ireland

      In the 1970′s the catholic church were caught paying for sectarian attacks on properties owned by people who they were r@ping who had gone public. This has continued into 2012, with at least 5 suspected linked arson attacks this year alone.

      They are a force for unmitigated evil, at every single level of the whole organisation, there is no good that comes because of them, merely in spite of them.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Joel J: and Hitler, Stalin and Mao Zedong were atheists. What was your point again?

      Christ never told anyone to kill, that was evil people, not Christs teachings.

      Religion gives us purpose and in effect is the source of ethics and morality. Slavery was abolished by christians because of their christian faith as was gladiatorial combat. Christian organizations fight child trafficking and prostitution etc etc

      Dec 22, 2012 at 7:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      It is beside the point to list lots of crimes committed by people who identified as religious. The entire Nazi and Communist elites, the people responsible for the worsts atrocities the world ever saw, identified as atheists. Does that make any and all atheists responsible for genocide or genocidal?

      Dec 22, 2012 at 7:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: I do not disagree that religion is the source of ehtics and morality, but here we are talking about the institutional church and its dogma.
      Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      Dec 22, 2012 at 8:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • KARUADAM
      KARUADAM

      Is there any one can finally end the world suffering from the fucking Catholic, church and just kill the fucking Nazi!…

      Dec 22, 2012 at 8:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: The atrocities to which I referred were committed IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. There is a distinct difference between what religious people do and what religious authorities do in the name of religion. The Crusades were carried out to reclaim the Holy Land for Christianity and the atrocities of the Counter Reformation were carried out in the name of restoring the “true faith.” And so it goes, one century after another. Today’s terrorists carry out their terror in the name of restoring the Islamic umma. The shit never ends when it comes to what men believe based on ancient texts, does it?

      Dec 22, 2012 at 8:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayjim1969
      gayjim1969

      @MartinDK: Yeah, throw the baby out with the bath water. Don’t judge a person by just a few words said in anger. Have you never said things that you later said to yourself, “Where did that come from?”

      What is it that you think we should be conciliatory and happy about here Martin? FYI, Catholics have the highest rate amongst those of faith who favor gay rights and gay marriage. Why do you think the Pope is continually railing against gays? Because he knows that in many countries, more and more Catholics are going against Church doctrine on homosexuality. So, the ones who are in step with the Pope’s diatribes are going hate any criticism of them. Any Catholics and other Christians who disagree with these ideas will not.

      I do agree that a lot of the comments (including mine) were done in the heat of emotion, but when someone attacks our very right to exist as GLBT people, and claim that we consciously choose to “create ourselves” from the “normal” heterosexual orientation that God made innate in every human, that is an emotional issue.

      In my attempts to discuss these issues with “true believers,” any dissenting view related to the Pope’s speeches are met with explosive and abusive responses. I have tried reasoning with them calmly and being respectful, and they call me names, tell me I’m going to hell, etc. There is no respect on their side for someone who disagrees with them.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 2:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayjim1969
      gayjim1969

      @MartinDK: Nice putting all of the millions of gay men in the same narrow stereotyped cubbyhole. All gay men are hellbent (yeah, pun intended) on staying young, being idolized by their looks, or at least being rich and having a hot boytoy on their arm. All older gay men are fixated on having sex with young studs. Everyone is going out to have sex all the time, with anyone, anywhere. ETC…

      You sound like a straight man getting his information from Jerry Falwell, or an ex-Curcuit boy now too old and not pretty enough, and bitter. You talk about not judging, but you have been judging and treating others like you’d like to be treated, but you don’t follow your own advice. Jesus abhored hypocrisy and the use of religion against others as a weapon. So do I. I don’t dislike religion, I dislike it’s abuse, and those who abuse it.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 2:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @MartinDK: Hitler was a catholic, the SS motto was “Gott Mitt Uns” or “god with us” in English, they followed the anti-semitic readings of Martin Luther also.

      http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm – This link has pictures and documental proof that Naziism is a christian construct.

      They worked closely with the catholic church, who hate the jews and committed the genocide with their blessing. Hitler was a christian. Stalin was an orthodox christian, the myth of the pogrom against the orthodox church didn’t exist until the 1980′s.

      Religion is only a source of how not to live, it has never had any morality or taught morality as a human endeavour, morals are a societal consensus, don’t obfuscate the truth because you’ve been caught lying like a pillack.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @gayjim1969: i sound like a straight man getting the wrong info, or a circuit boy who is too old to party?

      Remind me then which was mast time queerty had a 55 yo in undies in the morning goods section? And tell me what you think would happen if that was all they put there, balding wrinkled men? What do you think would be in the comments??

      So im wrong?? And when did a circuit boy last make a psychological defense of christianity??

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      Also if you ever get the chance to read Mein Kampf you’ll be amazed at how close it is to the bible. Given he was a practicing christian it is not surprising.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      It is often said in politics, the best defense is a good offense.

      It would appear that we have walked into a trap set by the Vatican’s public relations to divert the world’s attention from the scandals within the Roman Catholic Church. The Pope’s statement on homosexuality precedes his pardon of his personal butler. The RCC has much to be defensive about: political scandal within the Holy See; scandals involving the Vatican bank; scandal in the cover-up of the priestly crimes of pedophilia. The Vatican reports that the Pope’s pardons were given to restore “the atmosphere of serenity” within the Holy See. Choosing to turn the spotlight onto the GLBT community is nothing less than a political stunt. I should ask MartinDK how much must we forbear the actions of this criminal organization.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      The catholic church has spent over 200x as much money defending paedophilia than it has helping the poor, homeless and needy this past decade.

      They are a sick organisation. Poisoned by faith.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: Does the Pope wear women’s lingerie under all that finery?

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @2eo: i told you already to take your pills. Your sick delusions are not really interesting nor are the manipulations you have dug up from somewhere on the net. Information must be critically evaluated, and giving a link like that shows you have ability to do so. Goebbels would have laughed you idiot.
      So who am i this time? The Other Greg? What did your “hacking” tell you this time ROFL. You are full of shit, it is as simple as that…

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @MartinDK: Aww bless, like all religious people when confronted with facts they retreat to Ad Hominem.

      It’s funny really, how utterly banal, you can’t even answer to reality yet claim to understand morality and purpose.

      Merry Festivus, you’ve completely lost, mate.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Joel J: @Joel J: And the crimes of C*mmunism and N*zism were committed in the name of Reason, partly to purge the world of a specific religion (jud*ism) in the case of N*zism, which incidentally is hard to overlook (you have heard about the 6 million J*ws in the c* ncentration camps?).
      In the case of C*mmunism all religions were persecuted and its practioners killed or imprisoned, like buddhists in Tibet and the Gulag camps of the S*viet Union (and im quite sure a few priests were among the 50 million dead in Chinas Culture Revolution and among the 1 million dead in the Atheist Khmer Rouge regimes soci* list war on the Cambodian people, also with an atheist agenda to root out religious buddhist influence…

      What gay people need is not the enmity of christians and catholics, it is to show these people by our example that we are worthy of respect (and not the Ant* christ). The first step is to give them recognition, but you dont.
      You scream for tolerance and cry out with indignity at the least affront, yet heap intolerance and abuse on others…

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @2eo: while psychology does interest me i dont need to engage all nut cases who are deliberste lying in their posts. You brag about doing things which it is proven you did not do. You are basically filled to the brim with bull sh*t. I have no time for pathological liers… Grow up

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: I challenge you to show me a single post of mine in which I defend Nazism, Communism or ask for tolerance of GLBT people.

      Nazism and Communism were not committed in the name of Reason. That is your construct designed to serve your papist purpose. Nazism was an attempt to install the master race as rulers of the world (racism) and communism was an attempt to install the dictatorship of the proletariat. Any reasonable person would reject both and, indeed, he has.

      I have never asked for tolerance of GLBT persons; I demand acceptance: we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it. The latter quote puts it in a nutshell for me. As human beings we demand to be treated equally under the laws of our countries in spite of what the pope or you may say about us. Got it? Good. Please do not put words into my mouth.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 3:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @Joel J: Here, here. We are people and the evil machinations have no earthly or moral right to belittle us and use their resources to keep us less than human.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 4:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Joel J: Gay people want respect and equality which reasonable and natural and just. Gay people can even be religious and need not heed what this human pope says. God is greater (and exists in the soul – that is inside your own head).

      It is not the sources of religion (the archetypes) that are evil. It is people who are. You have not defended Hitler, but atheism is no guarantee against evil as most here think, when they equate religion with evil. Like it or not Reason is that which makes sense to you. Your philosophy and whatever values you choose. Some chose the dictatorship of the proletariat as a means to achieve Utopia, or paradise on earth. That is where the danger lies. Here is the devil at work

      Dec 23, 2012 at 4:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      Religion, or to be exact, the archetypes of the collective unconscious, is the source of morality not least because these ideas originate outside the individual and transcends it. It is collective and impersonal so “choice” plays no role. You do no get to choose between the dictatorship of the proletariat and John Stuart Mill. These things are inborn in us and change only very very slowly through evolution. It is human nature in the final analysis. The archetypical content cannot be exactly described only approximated and interpreted. Hence the plethora of religions

      Dec 23, 2012 at 4:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      Martin DK,
      Godlessness doesn’t make humans less cruel, just less hypocritical in their cruelty.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 6:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stephen walker
      stephen walker

      The religious community shares one fundamental flaw. Both are obstinately devoted to their own view points and expect others to accept them. The greatest freedom is free will. I am free, as a person, to accept or reject any view, but o have an obligation to respect those of others, even if i don’t accept or agree with them. I think homosexuals should stop expecting people to accept homosexuality, just as, christians should stop expecting homosexuals to accept any other sexual orientation. If my views are that homosexuality is wrong, they ought to be respected. I respect many homosexual figures because of who they are and i o not impose my own personal views about sexuallity upon them. The same applies to religion. If one believes what let him not impose on others. For this very God we cite continuously is the free giver of free will. Let no man judge but rather chose for himself right and wrong

      Dec 23, 2012 at 8:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stephen walker
      stephen walker

      The religious community shares one fundamental flaw with the homosexual community. Both are obstinately devoted to their own view points and expect others to accept them. The greatest freedom is free will. I am free, as a person, to accept or reject any view, but i have an obligation to respect those of others, even if i don’t agree with them. I think homosexuals should stop expecting people to accept homosexuality, just as, christians should stop expecting homosexuals to accept any other sexual orientation. If my views are that homosexuality is wrong, they ought to be respected. I respect many homosexual figures because of who they are and i do not impose my own personal views about sexuallity upon them. The same applies to religion. If one believes, let him not impose on others. For this very God we cite continuously is the free giver of free will. Let no man judge but rather chose for himself right and wrong

      Dec 23, 2012 at 8:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: I think you should stick to your own thoughts and not impute to others what they think based upon your understanding of “archetypes” or whatever. The fact that I attack the institutional Catholic church does not make me an atheist per se. If you want to pursue an argument, just stick to the evidence in the post as it is written. YOu do not speak for all gay persons nor do I.

      I understand that in the U.K. you do not have a written constitution. Here in the U.S. we Americans take our founding documents quite seriously. In our Declaration of Independence (from England) those words, “endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” encompass the idea that human rights are not granted by any monarch or any pope speaking in the name of God. That concept of human rights came right out of the Age of Reason and the writings of the French and Scottish philosophers. Please note that the author, believed to be Jefferson, chose the word “Creator” and not “God.”

      In the U.K., you have a state religion. The ruling monarch is also the head of the Church of England (thanks to Henry VIII). Our U.S. constitution clearly separates church and state. We do not look to any god as an authority for government, although individuals may choose their own religious authority in how they conduct their lives.

      As regards evolution, yes, thankfully there has been an evolution in intellectual development and to that much can be attributed in the area of human advancement. Your archetypical unconscious may influence our actions, but thank Allah we are not hung up in that world worshipping amulets or whatever the archetypes demand.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 9:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @stephen walker: I think you have confused tolerance and acceptance in your thinking. Acceptance is about what IS. Homosexuality in not a choice I hope you will agree. I accept that there is evil in the world. As a society we do not tolerate evil deeds that harm others. Does that make sense?

      Dec 23, 2012 at 9:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @Joel J: sweety You have no idea, quite simply no idea. Why are people buried in coffins, why do we construct christmas trees. Symbols tied to the unconscious are everywhere. What is the psychological meaning of drag queens? If you think people are guided by reason then you are unconscious too.
      All films in the scifi and fantasy genres as well as Batman, many cartoons etc etc express archetypical content. Not least the amazingly popular Star Wars. These films express truths we know instinctively from our inner life and dreams. That is why they are popular

      I am from Denmark, it makes very little difference as it is quite similar to the UK but i assure you that age-old psychological forces in the human psyche care nothing for your constitution.

      True, freedom came with consciousness but that “freedom” extends only so far. Choices in conflict with human nature lead to depression, and the archetypes express just that nature. Also no man is an island. Are you really free to choose which phone you want or are there forces guiding you?

      Dec 23, 2012 at 10:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MartinDK
      MartinDK

      @stephen walker: and what, pray tell, commanded you to respect the views of others? Haha obviously the roots of morals run deeper than reason alone…

      Dec 23, 2012 at 10:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joel J
      Joel J

      @MartinDK: My dear, dear MartinDK, there you go again. I hope you realize you have become a real crank for Jungian(?) psychology. Parenthetically, I appreciate a man with a good crank, but you are something else. If indeed there is a deep unconsious force that impels my actions, then it instructs me to oppose you and most of the ideas you express here. You may be chagrined to hear I do not have a Christmas tree, nor do I intend to be interred after my death. In my case, the absence of a tree does not come from a reasoned debate with myself, but as a rejection of the commercialism of the holiday as it is practiced here (why encourage them?). If I had young children whose minds are beyond Reason and caught up in archetypical fantasies, I would have a tree.

      What will you do when brain scientists locate that area of the brain from which your archetypical fantasies emanate? And what do you say about those sociopaths like Adam Lanza and other mass murderers who exhibit no capacity for empathy. Are feelings of empathy inherent in humans or are they taught to us by our parents when we are very young.
      And which pope said, “Give me a child until he is seven and I will have him for life?”

      Dec 23, 2012 at 10:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Banane
      Banane

      These comments from Pope Benedetta, she is one of the campest pinkest popes of recent years. Leading a church that has had thugs, murderers and adulterers as it’s head. Preaching about what is right and wrong, they should practice what they preach.

      Dec 23, 2012 at 10:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aaron
      Aaron

      @MartinDK: Martin, I would encourage you to visit http://www.iheu.org and learn a little bit about Humanism. Humans do not require “God” or religion to be moral people. It is not religion that gives us morals, but morals that create religion. Honestly, if you need a list of laws in order to behave decently to your fellow man, then I am glad you are not my neighbor.

      “Our aim is a Humanist world in which human rights are respected and everyone can live a life of dignity.”

      Dec 24, 2012 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayjim1969
      gayjim1969

      @MartinDK: Wow, that is ALL you took from my comment? Typical to respond to a flip comment and not to the logical part of it that you apparently can’t respond to or refute. BTW, I happen to be 43, so not everyone here is in there 20′s. And if you’ll look back at the comment, you’ll see I said EX-curcuit boy. Just because someone’s a curcuit boy, doesn’t mean they can’t be intelligent, be in college and go on to professions that require mental exercise. Try to make sure you understand what you read before you respond.

      Dec 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayjim1969
      gayjim1969

      @MartinDK: I wasn’t aware that this was just for the unwrinkled and therefore “relevant.” How do you know how old everyone is here? Very ageist. I meant that what was being written had the tone of someone who had a very negative view of gay people, and making stereotypical comments. Instead of keeping it in that context, took the actual words at their surface and responded to them and nothing else in the message. That’s why no one here is able to reason with you. You have your own ideas and no one can present a differing view without you belittling or attacking. You need to listen to people and drop the intellectual brick wall, always having to have the “right” answer over your “opponent.” It’s a defense mechanism. Don’t always think you have to teach someone. Realize you can learn too.

      Dec 24, 2012 at 11:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Guillermo3
      Guillermo3

      I come back to this QUEERTY post’s comments page after 3 days & am amazed[Shouldn't be:Am]and appalled.As an older,which I am,and wiser[self-evident,obviously] man I see that,while fortunately & for a change,there are no hate-filled remarks by guilty closet cases,ONCE AGAIN} We fight among ourselves/tear each other down.SAD: If I w’ve been manipulated into a classic case of Divide and Conquer.

      Dec 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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