Meh.

Feh.

I’m sure you would know the difference having been circed @ 17 yrs. old.

I’m talking about newborns, obviously.

Is their any lack of toilet facillities for the mighty royals?.

This is the most disgusting behaviour i have ever seen coming out of one of the future heirs of england.

little Boy! got to learn a lesson about three.

We have all met men whose circumcisions were botched leaving them injuries ranging from unusual scarring to partial amputation of the glans. A story which broke shortly before my son was born at the same hospital had not one but two infant boys whose penises had to be removed after the electic scalpel malfunctioned.

I worked for several years as an x-ray tech. On some of my trips to x-ray sick newborns, I saw several circumcisions being performed. It was done without local anaesthetic and the babies were screaming, not crying. There was a great deal more blood than one might expect.

As for the protection from HIV, it does provide some measurable decrease in rates of infection for unprotected sex. Less than 25% though. It simply adds a couple more empty chambers to the HIV gun in Russian roulette. In Africa it is being used to try to reduce infection from refusal to use condoms. Seems like pissing on a tree to put out a forest fire to me.

The UN is a bunch of bureaucratic ignoramuses who don’t know the difference between a foreskin and the pucker of an anus.

And although without your permission, dear Queerty, but with a backlink I have posted the same on my blog :)

http://sunshine.by/interesnost.....-20081123/

Feh.

If persons like yourself think we should be denied equal rights based on a few arguments, I don’t think we lost much when you “walked away” from the community.

Oh, please.

I’ve heard that line plenty of times. I wasn’t going for originality, just propriety. It was an appropriate line for what I wanted to say.

And “Hot, creamy…”? Is that what passes for creative writing ’round these hurr parts?

“you are what you eat”.

Meh. I used that line on Queerty years ago, when you were just a glimmer in your daddy’s eye and it already had whiskers on it then. I’ll have to mark you down for lack of originality. It’s certainly no Hot, creamy…

Because one silly argument deserved another.

I’m just following your suit, Fredo.

Are you high?

You seem pretty adamant about excluding intact males from your dating pool. Just don’t travel outside of America, you’re going to be pretty lonely.

How, exactly, is that the same as divulging everything that I find attractive or unattractive? Right…

Well, we’ve covered status, hair colour, skin colour and race. Outside of emotional ties, what else is there?

Nope. More lies.

If that’s how you want to see it, sunshine.

This was for all those who realize that a dick is a dick is a dick, but some might be a little tastier than others. To the eye as well as to the tongue.

And for those who realize that celebrating differences doesn’t mean that we have to deny our own personal tastes or preferences.

We in the Circ Set might not be popular for our tastes + you might even call us assholes or dicks. To that we reply with a wink + no apologies, “you are what you eat”.

“So why did you bring up sexuality in an attempt to shore up your argument?”

Because one silly argument deserved another.

“…and that is what you’ve based how you will govern your entire life and your relationships from here on in…”

Are you high?

“You made it abundantly clear that you do not approve of uncut men. To claim your (sic) wrote otherwise is disingenuous.”

How, exactly, is that the same as divulging everything that I find attractive or unattractive? Right…

“You had a conniption fit, Fredo.”

Nope. More lies.

And I’m giving my closing argument after you go. Let’s hear it, Walnuts.

My closing arguments?

This was for every young gay man who had to tolerate the catty, bitchy comments from prissy queens, who mistook cruelty for wit.

For every man who has been accused of being “cheesy,” or smelly.

For every guy who has been accused of being too quick, by men who take hours to have an orgasm, or can’t even get it up.

For all the men who has been chastised by men who claim to favor La Différence, but in reality cling to the status quo and common place with a tenacity that would make James Dobson proud.

Does the world still have a place for something called decency?. Well! Is he trying to prove the world what all guys have in common????????????????.

Somethings never change.Will it?.

Oh!No…………….

No. It’s not.

Yes it is.

This whole argument is about aesthetics.

So why did you bring up sexuality in an attempt to shore up your argument?

I said that I didn’t find uncut penises appealing, meaning aesthetically.

And you tried to defend that by comparing a straight man’s non existent desire for anal sex, with the aesthetics of the penis.

I said nothing about what I found sexually pleasing, pleasing to the taste, touch, nose, etc. That was closer to your own angle, not mine.

You’ve stated you’ve “seen” many uncut cocks and that is what you’ve based how you will govern your entire life and your relationships from here on in and I pointed out that that is absurd.

So, obviously, that means that I haven’t?

You tell us.

I most certainly did not divulge all of my tastes or dislikes in that convo or any other on this forum + I’d appreciate it if you’d stop bullshitting me + the rest of Queerty about what I said/did.

Of course you did. You made it abundantly clear that you do not approve of uncut men. To claim your wrote otherwise is disingenuous.

And I suggest that you stop talking out of your ass.

I figured I should use a language you’d understand.

I remember making a passing comment or two about not appreciating the tone of the “Ebonics”-speak being used in the thread + you elevated it into some drawn-out verbal brouhaha, much as you did today over what should have been a brief exchange of comments about a totally frivolous topic.

You had a conniption fit, Fredo. You took a one paragraph comment I wrote and turned it into Selma, for Christ’s sake. It became drawn out, because every time I responded to one of your caustic replies, you came back more belligerent.

Btw, Paulie, I think it’s time to prepare your “closing arguments”. This has gone on way too long for such a silly topic.

But the big lie of anti-circumcision zealots is that the glans is less sensitive because it’s no longer covered. So just admit you’re wrong and quit fetishising the foreskin as some kind of wonder tissue.

When one trails off into claims of zealotry, I know I have won the debate. However, I pointed out that a previous study had found the erect glans had little sensitivity.

As far as being a fetishist, you appear to relish the thought of strapping a newborn down and cutting into their body. To defend this is monstrous.

I didn’t realize anti-circumcision rants from trolls were “events pertaining to the LGBTQ community”.

And I didn’t realize watching royals taking a piss was a paramount topic on gay blogs.

Secondly, obviously posting pictures of Prince William pissing isn’t an event pertaining to the LGBTQ population either. Why were they posted? So gay guys could see his cock. Big deal.

Since you are not the editor of this blog, I find it foolish of you to try and dictate what will and will not be discussed, Gabriel.

However, gay men debating circ is a relevant topic because–wait for it!–gay men have cocks. No royals here–a few pissy queens–but no princes. Dicks-a-plenty though–both kinds.

Really? You know this, how? Once again you, someone who obviously has no background in science, know better than the experts right?

Because unlike you, I do not posses an incurious mind. I read the studies, the articles and critiques on those studies. Perhaps if you let go of your cock long enough to wonder off porn sites, you might learn a thing or two as well.

Again, nobody said they shouldn’t use protection. Studies show that the rate of HIV infections is decreased in men who are circumcised. Apparently publishing said studies is now responsible for new HIV infections because people are dumb enough to think it offers 100% protection.

I love debating pro-circ freaks! You are presented with evidence that things are not working out as they should, complete with links and you dismiss them and ignore their relevance to the debate; and present your opinion as fact.

And studies have shown that the opposite is quite true:

Circumcised men in South Africa are currently as likely to be HIV-positive as uncircumcised, according to a study in the latest edition of the SA Medical Journal.

http://tinyurl.com/68zzw9

You haven’t provided any facts.

You’ve ignored the facts I provided, as is normal with anti-foreskin people.

You just provided numbers and drew a conclusion without performing any real statistics. I realize that everyone thinks they’re an expect these days but you’ll have to do better than rehashing arguments from NOCIRC.

I provided numbers showing that American males used more Viagra than any other country. Pzfizer’s numbers don’t lie.

As far as trashing NOCIRC, I’d rather read their site, than Circ List, where pictures of kids being cut are celebrated as something other than horrific.

I don’t feel bad about my dick. I’m glad I was circ’ed. Cut meat looks better, smells better, and hence, tastes better.

Bizarre.

How does ass look, smell and taste, Gabe? You have no problem burying your face in a man’s ass, but get your panties in a knot over a foreskin?

What I don’t appreciate are assholes using Queerty or other forums to spout off garbage about their own pet issues.

And what I don’t like are punks trying to act like men, when it’s apparent they are merely children in a man’s world.

Insulting me isn’t questioning my beliefs.

You started with the insults, asswipe. Trying to dictate what will and will not be talked about here, demanding that I shut the fuck up.

You’re posting emotional, hysterical bullshit.

I’m posting facts and you’re posting pathetic replies that say nothing, Gabriel.

Science isn’t on your side so that’s what you’re left with.

Science is on my side–popularism is on your side. The same type of populist, fear mongering that stole equality from Californians, is being used to frighten African men and women into choosing cosmetic surgery, over common sense. Circs have done wonders to save Americans from HIV, just imagine how well it will work in Africa.

You’re just repeating the same tired half-truths and outright lies of the anti-circumcision bandwagon and creating some of your own. It’s pathetic.

You have yet to disprove what I’ve presented here, asshole. Nothing but your ill-informed opinion and “me too-ism.”

Fuck off and come back when you have something intelligent to say, punk.

No. It’s not. This whole argument is about aesthetics. I said that I didn’t find uncut penises appealing, meaning aesthetically. I said nothing about what I found sexually pleasing, pleasing to the taste, touch, nose, etc. That was closer to your own angle, not mine.

“You never said you did.”

So, obviously, that means that I haven’t?

That’s pathetic, but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt + assume that we’re past your usual bedtime.

“You did during the previous debate on this topic, Fredo. Odd that you’re suddenly coy.”

I most certainly did not divulge all of my tastes or dislikes in that convo or any other on this forum + I’d appreciate it if you’d stop bullshitting me + the rest of Queerty about what I said/did.

“I suggest you go back and re-read your comments.”

And I suggest that you stop talking out of your ass. I remember making a passing comment or two about not appreciating the tone of the “Ebonics”-speak being used in the thread + you elevated it into some drawn-out verbal brouhaha, much as you did today over what should have been a brief exchange of comments about a totally frivolous topic.

If a hetero guy has never had a penis inside him, how does he know he isn’t really an insatiable power bottom?

That’s a asinine comparison. You’re comparing sexuality to, a you write below, aestheticism.

I’m talking about what I find aesthetically pleasing.

So again, you’re basing your entire argument on what you see, rather than actual experience. It’s not like sucking cock is so far beyond what you already desire, so trying to compare a straight guy having gay sex to looking at a foreskin and deciding arbitrarily you don’t like it is pathetic.

How do you know, btw, that I haven’t “experienced” guys with uncut penises?

You never said you did.

Is it humanly impossible to come within three feet of an exposed uncut dick + not find them irresistible forever + ever, from that point forth?

Only if you’re some kind of nut. Next you’ll be telling us uncut guys have rabbit blood.

Decorum? No, just preference. I don’t feel the need to share all of my business, tastes, likes, dislikes, etc. with you. Meh.

You did during the previous debate on this topic, Fredo. Odd that you’re suddenly coy.

Yes. If you’re biased against my skin color, that’s your business. Am I supposed to care if some random guy online doesn’t find black men as attractive as another race, for example?

That didn’t stop you from accusing me of racism in a previous thread.

Btw, “ape shit” is a gross exaggeration.

I suggest you go back and re-read your comments.

But the big lie (well, one of several) of anti-circumcision zealots is that the glans is less sensitive because it’s no longer covered. So just admit you’re wrong and quit fetishising the foreskin as some kind of wonder tissue.

“And maybe you should remember that this is a news blog reporting on events pertaining to the LGBTQ community and not a porn blog. I’d suggest you go to Horsey’s site if all you’re looking for is celeb cock, Gabriel.”

I didn’t realize anti-circumcision rants from trolls were “events pertaining to the LGBTQ community”. Secondly, obviously posting pictures of Prince William pissing isn’t an event pertaining to the LGBTQ population either. Why were they posted? So gay guys could see his cock. Big deal.

“Exactly. But that’s how may of the studies citing circ as a protection against HIV was carried out–with bias.”

Really? You know this, how? Once again you, someone who obviously has no background in science, know better than the experts right?

“There is a growing belief among men in Swaziland that circumcision provides complete protection against HIV, a perception that worries non-governmental organisations (NGOs)”

Again, nobody said they shouldn’t use protection. Studies show that the rate of HIV infections is decreased in men who are circumcised. Apparently publishing said studies is now responsible for new HIV infections because people are dumb enough to think it offers 100% protection.

“Your opinion notwithstanding, (and this is your opinion, as opposed to the facts I provided,) American males use more Viagra than any other nation.”

You haven’t provided any facts. You just provided numbers and drew a conclusion without performing any real statistics. I realize that everyone thinks they’re an expect these days but you’ll have to do better than rehashing arguments from NOCIRC.

“If you feel bad about your dick Gabe, take it up with your mommy and daddy. They’re the one’s who gave a doctor–or mohle–permission to hold you down and cut into you.”

I don’t feel bad about my dick. I’m glad I was circ’ed. Cut meat looks better, smells better, and hence, tastes better. What I don’t appreciate are assholes using Queerty or other forums to spout off garbage about their own pet issues.

“And I don’t know why you are so threatened by others questioning your foolish beliefs. If you can’t defend your absurd arguments, the don’t participate, douchebag.”

Insulting me isn’t questioning my beliefs. You’re posting emotional, hysterical bullshit. Science isn’t on your side so that’s what you’re left with. You’re just repeating the same tired half-truths and outright lies of the anti-circumcision bandwagon and creating some of your own. It’s pathetic.

“If you have never experienced any of them, how do you know you actually desire them, or do not?”

Talk about a specious argument…

If a hetero guy has never had a penis inside him, how does he know he isn’t really an insatiable power bottom?

I’m talking about what I find aesthetically pleasing.

How do you know, btw, that I haven’t “experienced” guys with uncut penises? Did I say that I hadn’t, or did you just assume as much? Is it humanly impossible to come within three feet of an exposed uncut dick + not find them irresistible forever + ever, from that point forth?

“You felt it was everyone’s business to know you disapprove of uncut men. You’re (sic) sudden decorum is…interesting?”

Decorum? No, just preference. I don’t feel the need to share all of my business, tastes, likes, dislikes, etc. with you. Meh.

“So, if I’m biased against your skin colour, is that, as you write, what it is?”

Yes. If you’re biased against my skin color, that’s your business. Am I supposed to care if some random guy online doesn’t find black men as attractive as another race, for example?

“Like when I made a joke about how an ignorant rapper spoke and you went ape shit and made me out to be David Duke incarnate.”

Dude. Let it go.

Btw, “ape shit” is a gross exaggeration.

I never said that I had been sexually involved with redheads or Latinos, just that I found them attractive.

You never said you were not sexually involved with red heads, or Latinos either. Which makes one wonder why it is you look at hair colour and race and are not biased against those, yet look at a foreskin and you’re biased against that. If you have never experienced any of them, how do you know you actually desire them, or do not?

Nor did I say what about uncut men who only prefer cut ones, just those that find them more attractive.

A spurious argument, Fredo.

I am pretty open to lots of different types of guys, yes, but I also have things/traits/features that I don’t find attractive.

Such as race, or hair colour?

I won’t list them all, because that’s not really anyone’s business unless I wish to discuss that with them on a more personal level.

You felt it was everyone’s business to know you disapprove of uncut men. You’re sudden decorum is…interesting?

Suffice it to say, though, that I don’t find uncut penises as attractive, for whatever reason. It is what it is.

So, if I’m biased against your skin colour, is that, as you write, what it is?

As for “bias”, though, what about your little rant about cut guys’ “leathery” penises? Mayhaps you are projecting some of your own harsh biases where genitals are concerned onto myself + the circ set…

Oh, that was a joke, Fredo. Like when I made a joke about how an ignorant rapper spoke and you went ape shit and made me out to be David Duke incarnate. You, as someone who appears to love making jokes about people’s looks, should be the first to understand that.

Assumptions, assumptions…

I never said that I had been sexually involved with redheads or Latinos, just that I found them attractive. I also find Jake Gyllenhaal attractive but I haven’t had the pleasure of hitting that. I’m working on it.

Nor did I say what about uncut men who only prefer cut ones, just those that find them more attractive.

We could argue this until we’re blue in the face but it’s really pointless to do so. I am pretty open to lots of different types of guys, yes, but I also have things/traits/features that I don’t find attractive.

I won’t list them all, because that’s not really anyone’s business unless I wish to discuss that with them on a more personal level. Suffice it to say, though, that I don’t find uncut penises as attractive, for whatever reason. It is what it is.

As for “bias”, though, what about your little rant about cut guys’ “leathery” penises? Mayhaps you are projecting some of your own harsh biases where genitals are concerned onto myself + the circ set…

Don’t worry, though, Paulie.

I still love you + your freaky penis. <3

I like to be thorough…

I honestly don’t mind if you post something I already made public by posting it here myself. I’m just saying, you went to the effort of finding it, copying, + pasting it here. And it was a joke. Nothing more.

I like to be though when I”m making mince meat out of someone’s argument.

I’ve also seen plenty of uncut penises.

I find it odd that for a man who professes a distaste for uncut men, you seem to have “seen” many of them. Sorta like how anti-gay people have lots of gays friends–except we never see them with their friends.

Doesn’t that mean that having seen them could have made me grow to find them attractive as I have grown to find redheads + Latino men attractive, though I’m not a redhead or a Latino man?

Seen, Fredo. Its apparent that you’ve been sexually involved with red heads and Latinos, but not so uncut men. Clearly, as a cut man, you made a decision based on the visual, rather than actual experience, the type of experience you had with red heads and Latinos.

Secondly, you have not stated that you are only attracted to red heads and Latinos, so clearly you are attracted to all sorts of hair colours and races. Which leads one to ask, if you are not biased against other hair colours and races, why are you biased against the status of a man’s penis?

Also, what about those men who are cut + don’t have a preference or prefer uncut ones or those who might be uncut but prefer cut ones?

Most bias is explained via ignorance, whereas a lack of bias is based on interacting with people who are different. And I’ve never met an uncut man who only had a preference for cut men.

It’s all just a matter of personal taste. I prefer the look of a circumcised penis, but it doesn’t mean I hate uncut guys or that I seriously find them “withery” or gross.

Personal taste based on experience. If you’re solely judging a man based on his penis, how is that different than a man who judges you solely on your race?

So I’ll ask–you are biased against intact men, are you biased against other races; hair colours?

“If you don’t want your absurdity thrown back in your face, don’t write absurd things, Fredo.”

I honestly don’t mind if you post something I already made public by posting it here myself. I’m just saying, you went to the effort of finding it, copying, + pasting it here. And it was a joke. Nothing more.

Oh, pumpkin, that doesn’t make any sense.

I’ve also seen plenty of uncut penises. Doesn’t that mean that having seen them could have made me grow to find them attractive as I have grown to find redheads + Latino men attractive, though I’m not a redhead or a Latino man?

Also, what about those men who are cut + don’t have a preference or prefer uncut ones or those who might be uncut but prefer cut ones? It’s all just a matter of personal taste. I prefer the look of a circumcised penis, but it doesn’t mean I hate uncut guys or that I seriously find them “withery” or gross.

I’ve got to be honest, though, I think it’s pretty sad that you went so far as to look up the article where I posted that earthworm quote. Hell, I don’t even remember where + when I had that particular conversation. It was a while back, though, from what I recall.

If you don’t want your absurdity thrown back in your face, don’t write absurd things, Fredo.

I am not a redhead + I find them attractive. I am not Latino, but I don’t find Latino men unattractive. I am circumcised, but it’s not why I find cut men attractive.

A cut dick is not an innate form. It’s specious to argue that because you’re cut, that does not colour your perception of circumcisiion being more attracitve.

You had to see and experience a red head a to find him attractive. You had to see and experience a Latino to find him attractive. Just as you had to see a circumcised penis to find it attractive.

Which again brings up the point, if you were not circumcised you would not be biased against intact males.

lmfao

Are you seriously upset about that withery earthworm quote? Was it not blindingly obvious that I was joking about that?

I mean, come on… A “robust, shiny mushroom head”? I prefer the look of circumcised dicks, but I still wouldn’t say anything like that in seriousness.

And, yes, redheads can cut their hair off, which would grow back red. What’s your point? I am not a redhead + I find them attractive. I am not Latino, but I don’t find Latino men unattractive. I am circumcised, but it’s not why I find cut men attractive. Also, if I wanted to have the whole penis hood thing going on again, like I said, I could always restore the foreskin.

I’ve got to be honest, though, I think it’s pretty sad that you went so far as to look up the article where I posted that earthworm quote. Hell, I don’t even remember where + when I had that particular conversation. It was a while back, though, from what I recall.

Btw, you have never + will never “hand me my ass”, slick. I’m laughing all of this off, but don’t get ridiculous.