Comments on: Prop. 8 Protests Are Changing Minds — A Little http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/ Free of an agenda. Except that gay one. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:58:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: chuck http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101106 chuck Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:45:31 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101106 @<a href="#comment-101048" rel="nofollow">The Gay Numbers</a>: Well, that IS encouraging to hear. :-) @The Gay Numbers:

Well, that IS encouraging to hear. :-)

]]> By: DaveO http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101078 DaveO Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:08 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101078 @<a href="#comment-101025" rel="nofollow">The Gay Numbers</a>: There is no exit poll here. I am comparing this SUSA poll with the actual election results, and demonstrating that there is a discrepancy. The respondents in this SUSA poll did not answer the questions about which way they voted on Prop 8 in the same proportion as the actual vote turned out. Maybe this demonstrates a "Bradley Effect", maybe it casts into doubt the other questions too. @The Gay Numbers: There is no exit poll here. I am comparing this SUSA poll with the actual election results, and demonstrating that there is a discrepancy. The respondents in this SUSA poll did not answer the questions about which way they voted on Prop 8 in the same proportion as the actual vote turned out. Maybe this demonstrates a “Bradley Effect”, maybe it casts into doubt the other questions too.

]]> By: Bruno http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101062 Bruno Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:05:42 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101062 @<a href="#comment-101025" rel="nofollow">The Gay Numbers</a>: I do think people will lie at exit polls, but also on the telephone with live people. Like the Field & PPIC polls...and I wonder if people might not even be wondering if the person they're talking to is gay/gay-friendly or not. That's why I think, even with its limitations, the robocalling of SurveyUSA may actually diminish the "Liberace Effect" as I like to call it flippantly. @The Gay Numbers:

I do think people will lie at exit polls, but also on the telephone with live people. Like the Field & PPIC polls…and I wonder if people might not even be wondering if the person they’re talking to is gay/gay-friendly or not. That’s why I think, even with its limitations, the robocalling of SurveyUSA may actually diminish the “Liberace Effect” as I like to call it flippantly.

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101048 The Gay Numbers Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:28:14 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101048 @<a href="#comment-101037" rel="nofollow">chuck</a>: The vote from 2000 to 2008 shifted by 10 points n the yes side into our favor on the no side. @chuck: The vote from 2000 to 2008 shifted by 10 points n the yes side into our favor on the no side.

]]> By: chuck http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101037 chuck Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:02:04 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101037 Sorry folks: This sounds a litle like.... Here I sit broken hearted. Paid a nickel to shit... and only farted! The fuckers voted the way they voted. If they are ruing that fact, then why are they not trying to get Prop 8 overturned? Hmmm? Sorry folks: This sounds a litle like….

Here I sit broken hearted.

Paid a nickel to shit…

and only farted!

The fuckers voted the way they voted. If they are ruing that fact, then why are they not trying to get Prop 8 overturned? Hmmm?

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101033 The Gay Numbers Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:52:38 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101033 @<a href="#comment-101029" rel="nofollow">queerunity</a>: If you are going to make up numbers why not just say 70 percent are offended rather than try to mactch the real poll exactly. I never understand people making shit up only to half ass it. @queerunity: If you are going to make up numbers why not just say 70 percent are offended rather than try to mactch the real poll exactly. I never understand people making shit up only to half ass it.

]]> By: queerunity http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101029 queerunity Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:39:21 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101029 this means nothing, the 8% may be offended by the protests and would now vote "yes" http://queersunited.blogspot.com/ this means nothing, the 8% may be offended by the protests and would now vote “yes”
http://queersunited.blogspot.com/

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101025 The Gay Numbers Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:24:03 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101025 @<a href="#comment-101021" rel="nofollow">DaveO</a>: You are missing the point. The question regarding the Bradley Effect is where are people more likely to lie? Exit Polling is where they are more likely to lie because exit poll are likely to put people on the spot. The key is where to people fel compelled to lie. It's the same reason that they often say that exit polls often under count conservatives. The so called effect where conservatives feel shy about telling pollster their real views on issues. Here's one post http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html @DaveO: You are missing the point. The question regarding the Bradley Effect is where are people more likely to lie?

Exit Polling is where they are more likely to lie because exit poll are likely to put people on the spot. The key is where to people fel compelled to lie.

It’s the same reason that they often say that exit polls often under count conservatives. The so called effect where conservatives feel shy about telling pollster their real views on issues.

Here’s one post

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com.....ffect.html

]]> By: DaveO http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101021 DaveO Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:05:53 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101021 @<a href="#comment-101019" rel="nofollow">The Gay Numbers</a>: "Bradley Effect" refers to opinion polls in general. @The Gay Numbers: “Bradley Effect” refers to opinion polls in general.

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101019 The Gay Numbers Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:03:34 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101019 @<a href="#comment-101011" rel="nofollow">DaveO</a>: The Bradley Effect was actually concerning Exit Polls, if I am remembering correctly. This is one of the reasons why I questioned trusting the Exit Polls completely. We can't know whether any subgroup actually voted the way it said it did. How many white liberals for example would admit to having not voted against Prop 8? @DaveO: The Bradley Effect was actually concerning Exit Polls, if I am remembering correctly. This is one of the reasons why I questioned trusting the Exit Polls completely. We can’t know whether any subgroup actually voted the way it said it did. How many white liberals for example would admit to having not voted against Prop 8?

]]> By: DaveO http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101011 DaveO Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:50:53 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101011 The same survey says 40% voted FOR Prop 8, 46% voted AGAINST Prop 8 and the rest aren't sure or didn't vote. If all the people who weren't sure voted Yes, then the survey breakdown is 43/46, which normalizes to 48.3/51.7. As we know, the result was ACTUALLY 52/48 or so. So about 4% of the respondents are lying. What we have here is a gay version of the so-calle "Bradley effect", where poll respondents lie to pollsters by giving the more politically correct answer. The same survey says 40% voted FOR Prop 8, 46% voted AGAINST Prop 8 and the rest aren’t sure or didn’t vote. If all the people who weren’t sure voted Yes, then the survey breakdown is 43/46, which normalizes to 48.3/51.7. As we know, the result was ACTUALLY 52/48 or so. So about 4% of the respondents are lying.

What we have here is a gay version of the so-calle “Bradley effect”, where poll respondents lie to pollsters by giving the more politically correct answer.

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101009 The Gay Numbers Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:49:27 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101009 Rights should not be a subjected to popular will. I wish someone would poll this question: if you knew that your vote on Prop 8 would mean that the majority could vote against other minority groups such as blacks, Latinos and minority religious groups- would you still vote for 8? This is the part that's missing. People need to understand the ramification of 8 are broader than 8. Rights should not be a subjected to popular will. I wish someone would poll this question: if you knew that your vote on Prop 8 would mean that the majority could vote against other minority groups such as blacks, Latinos and minority religious groups- would you still vote for 8? This is the part that’s missing. People need to understand the ramification of 8 are broader than 8.

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101010 The Gay Numbers Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:49:27 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101010 Rights should not be a subjected to popular will. I wish someone would poll this question: if you knew that your vote on Prop 8 would mean that the majority could vote against other minority groups such as blacks, Latinos and minority religious groups- would you still vote for 8? This is the part that's missing. People need to understand the ramification of 8 are broader than 8. Rights should not be a subjected to popular will. I wish someone would poll this question: if you knew that your vote on Prop 8 would mean that the majority could vote against other minority groups such as blacks, Latinos and minority religious groups- would you still vote for 8? This is the part that’s missing. People need to understand the ramification of 8 are broader than 8.

]]> By: Kid A http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101008 Kid A Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:48:15 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101008 To clarify, I'd much rather be able to adopt than simply have the peace of mind knowing that the Whataburger manager is okay with my rainbow pin. Ya know? To clarify, I’d much rather be able to adopt than simply have the peace of mind knowing that the Whataburger manager is okay with my rainbow pin. Ya know?

]]> By: Kid A http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101007 Kid A Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:46:47 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101007 For sure, the actual reality of the situation will be a bit mushy. That said, is this really a popularity contest? For prop 8 it was, only because it was up to popular vote, but shouldn't we be focused on getting our rights instead of getting people to like us? For sure, the actual reality of the situation will be a bit mushy.

That said, is this really a popularity contest? For prop 8 it was, only because it was up to popular vote, but shouldn’t we be focused on getting our rights instead of getting people to like us?

]]> By: Bruno http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-protests-are-changing-minds-a-little-20081124/#comment-101002 Bruno Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:40:39 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=33818#comment-101002 It sounds nice, but it wouldn't be a complete picture without asking all the "No" people if they'd now vote "Yes." Unfortunately, there may be some. It sounds nice, but it wouldn’t be a complete picture without asking all the “No” people if they’d now vote “Yes.” Unfortunately, there may be some.

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