Comments on: Queer LiberAction’s Radical Protesting Techniques: Smooching Thy Enemy http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/ Free of an agenda. Except that gay one. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:21:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ken S http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235933 Ken S Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:29:50 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235933 For everyone denouncing these guys as loud-mouths and trouble-makers and "bad for us"-- try taking a look at the opposition, the ones whose faces these 'queer extremists' are getting into, and honestly tell the rest of us how strongly you think the 'mainstream' social conservatives are rebuking their own radicals. You love to say "these homos are being just as bad as the straight haters," but have you noticed how those hetero extremists are actually kind of.. well.. effective? Isn't that part of *why* we despise them so much, because for all of their rhetoric and hyperbole and 'ignorant shouting,' they keep swaying people? A good strategist learns from his enemy. Especially when he keeps losing fights to that enemy (see 8 in California, 1 in Maine, etc). Our opponents don't just tolerate their lunatic fringe, they accept them because they get things done. They yield results, usually to our detriment. So learn from them! They sic their attack dogs on us without shame and without embarrassment, it pays off for them over and over, we groan and bitch about how they keep winning fight after fight, and then... what? We hold back? We go on fighting with one hand tied behind our backs? We're on the *just* side, the side of fairness, we're in the right against a vicious pack of selfish, ignorant, chauvinistic bullies; we already deserve to win the fight, so let's fight like we *want* to win. Do you want perfectly spotless hands, or do you want to win? If you're on the side that's right and you hold back for the sake of appearances-- of all things-- and you fail because of it, then you're worse than a failure. You fail not only yourself but who-knows how many more who are waiting in the future for your victory, and the longer it takes the more of them you disappoint. For everyone denouncing these guys as loud-mouths and trouble-makers and “bad for us”– try taking a look at the opposition, the ones whose faces these ‘queer extremists’ are getting into, and honestly tell the rest of us how strongly you think the ‘mainstream’ social conservatives are rebuking their own radicals. You love to say “these homos are being just as bad as the straight haters,” but have you noticed how those hetero extremists are actually kind of.. well.. effective? Isn’t that part of *why* we despise them so much, because for all of their rhetoric and hyperbole and ‘ignorant shouting,’ they keep swaying people?

A good strategist learns from his enemy. Especially when he keeps losing fights to that enemy (see 8 in California, 1 in Maine, etc). Our opponents don’t just tolerate their lunatic fringe, they accept them because they get things done. They yield results, usually to our detriment. So learn from them! They sic their attack dogs on us without shame and without embarrassment, it pays off for them over and over, we groan and bitch about how they keep winning fight after fight, and then… what? We hold back? We go on fighting with one hand tied behind our backs? We’re on the *just* side, the side of fairness, we’re in the right against a vicious pack of selfish, ignorant, chauvinistic bullies; we already deserve to win the fight, so let’s fight like we *want* to win.

Do you want perfectly spotless hands, or do you want to win? If you’re on the side that’s right and you hold back for the sake of appearances– of all things– and you fail because of it, then you’re worse than a failure. You fail not only yourself but who-knows how many more who are waiting in the future for your victory, and the longer it takes the more of them you disappoint.

]]> By: Jacqui Smith http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235671 Jacqui Smith Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:44:50 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235671 You have to admit though. The guy he was trying to kiss? Pretty freaking hot. You have to admit though. The guy he was trying to kiss? Pretty freaking hot.

]]> By: Brian http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235651 Brian Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:04:03 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235651 In Texas, we have <i>idiots</i> on both sides. Queer Liberaction has a simple strategy: offend everyone. They make LGBT look bad. In Texas, we have idiots on both sides. Queer Liberaction has a simple strategy: offend everyone. They make LGBT look bad.

]]> By: jason http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235436 jason Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:11:44 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235436 The right-wing assaults us every day when they harness the power of government to remove our rights. A kiss is just a kiss. The right-wing assaults us every day when they harness the power of government to remove our rights. A kiss is just a kiss.

]]> By: Joe Moore http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235417 Joe Moore Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:28:52 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235417 Acting like sex crazed children will get us nowhere. And yelling and screaming without a point or a common voice will get us nowhere as well. So why are people still letting these guys go out there and do this? Because we have no leader at the moment. No MLK, or Milk, or anyone to really bring the cause together and point it in a specific direction. We need one person who can talk to every faction of the gay movement, and bring them all together. Until then, we're just a bunch of screaming queens trying to kiss bigots out of frustration for our lack of words. Acting like sex crazed children will get us nowhere. And yelling and screaming without a point or a common voice will get us nowhere as well. So why are people still letting these guys go out there and do this? Because we have no leader at the moment. No MLK, or Milk, or anyone to really bring the cause together and point it in a specific direction. We need one person who can talk to every faction of the gay movement, and bring them all together.

Until then, we’re just a bunch of screaming queens trying to kiss bigots out of frustration for our lack of words.

]]> By: Steve&You http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235344 Steve&You Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:17:08 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235344 How insane. I really hope these idiots stay in Dallas. How insane. I really hope these idiots stay in Dallas.

]]> By: Scott NYC http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235267 Scott NYC Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:58:40 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235267 In the old days - we used to protest to get attention for our struggle. These guys just go where the attention <i>already</i> is. They just want to become famous activists. Wake up angry activists - we live in a new world. People know about us. They aren't going to support us because you <i>demonstrate</i> that you are as ignorant as the other side. Try <i>thinking</i> instead of <i>shouting</i>. In the old days – we used to protest to get attention for our struggle. These guys just go where the attention already is. They just want to become famous activists.

Wake up angry activists – we live in a new world. People know about us. They aren’t going to support us because you demonstrate that you are as ignorant as the other side.

Try thinking instead of shouting.

]]> By: holla http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235257 holla Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:32:47 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235257 Trying to kiss someone who one knows is not interested strikes me as a kind of sexual assault. Trying to kiss someone who one knows is not interested strikes me as a kind of sexual assault.

]]> By: Keith Kimmel http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235253 Keith Kimmel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:24:39 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235253 I still think its funny. Glad to hear that Ft. Worth got it passed. I still think its funny. Glad to hear that Ft. Worth got it passed.

]]> By: ironman http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235250 ironman Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:51 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235250 Actually, once the festivities were over, the small group of about 5 or 6 christians remaining outside discussed biblical issues and finished up with prayer. The sodomites left earlier after the meeting began and the only thing left of them, was a memory. the star telegram was wrong or YOU are! I was there and know this. Perhaps the sodomites were convicted and left early to pray and repent! Actually, once the festivities were over, the small group of about 5 or 6 christians remaining outside discussed biblical issues and finished up with prayer. The sodomites left earlier after the meeting began and the only thing left of them, was a memory. the star telegram was wrong or YOU are! I was there and know this. Perhaps the sodomites were convicted and left early to pray and repent!

]]> By: Andrew http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235243 Andrew Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:00:42 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235243 Rick Vanderslice is <i>our</i> "Fred Phelps." Queer Liberaction is <i>our</i> "Westboro Baptist." Rick Vanderslice is our “Fred Phelps.”

Queer Liberaction is our “Westboro Baptist.”

]]> By: Mark-DFW http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235239 Mark-DFW Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:54:53 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235239 @ Fitz: This isn't new" or an "experiment." Rick Vanderslice has been doing these stupid publicity stunts for decades. They don't help - they just embarrass us. These guys are just stuck in the past. They get off by yelling and demanding, not realizing that people aren't listening - instead, they're <i>laughing.</i> @ Fitz:

This isn’t new” or an “experiment.” Rick Vanderslice has been doing these stupid publicity stunts for decades. They don’t help – they just embarrass us.

These guys are just stuck in the past. They get off by yelling and demanding, not realizing that people aren’t listening – instead, they’re laughing.

]]> By: Fitz http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235231 Fitz Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:44:25 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235231 No one should be critical of these efforts unless they have been doing something better. The old ways of writing letters and going to HRC cocktail parties are a failure-- so SOMETHING new needs working--- this might not be it, it might be an experiment. But major kudos to anyone who can stay engaged in this process and think of new ways to make noise. No one should be critical of these efforts unless they
have been doing something better. The old ways of writing letters
and going to HRC cocktail parties are a failure– so SOMETHING new needs working— this might not be it, it might be an experiment. But major kudos to anyone who can stay engaged in this process and think of new ways to make noise.

]]> By: Mark-DFW http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235227 Mark-DFW Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:39:10 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235227 The media (and the FBI) have investigated threats from "LGBT activists." Reported on WND: <i>In the fallout after Maine's voters recently rejected homosexual marriage, Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality has documented the increasing violent threats against Christians. Below is an exchange on a homosexual activist website reported by World Net Daily. "All it will take is a small group of radical zealots who are willing to kill for their cause," "Fritz" wrote. "This happens in all cases where people are oppressed and lack representation. Our president must wake up and prevent this from happening. Otherwise, we will end up like Israel and Palestine. We will have gay and lesbian people strapping bombs to their chests and blowing up churches." <b>"Tex" responded, "You say this like it's a bad thing? Maybe a bit of well organized terrorism is just what we need, er, I mean 'civil disobedience.'" </b> "Tex" sounds a lot like Rick Vanderslice. These tactics, from the 60s and 70s, are setting us back that far. Adults know how to talk and have conversations. To the fools that join Queer Liberaction: Please stop. The media (and the FBI) have investigated threats from “LGBT activists.”

Reported on WND: In the fallout after Maine’s voters recently rejected homosexual marriage, Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality has documented the increasing violent threats against Christians. Below is an exchange on a homosexual activist website reported by World Net Daily.

“All it will take is a small group of radical zealots who are willing to kill for their cause,” “Fritz” wrote. “This happens in all cases where people are oppressed and lack representation. Our president must wake up and prevent this from happening. Otherwise, we will end up like Israel and Palestine. We will have gay and lesbian people strapping bombs to their chests and blowing up churches.” “Tex” responded, “You say this like it’s a bad thing? Maybe a bit of well organized terrorism is just what we need, er, I mean ‘civil disobedience.’”

“Tex” sounds a lot like Rick Vanderslice.

These tactics, from the 60s and 70s, are setting us back that far. Adults know how to talk and have conversations.

To the fools that join Queer Liberaction: Please stop.

]]> By: Josh http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235223 Josh Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:01 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235223 The Fort Worth Star Telegram reported that 200 people "packed the council chamber" while 20 "protesters" were outside fighting. Those inside spoke about the LGBT community and the need for protections, while the small group outside insulted the opposition. ALL the progress was made INSIDE the building. These angry stuck-in-the-60s publicity seekers are hurting the LGBT movement. The Fort Worth Star Telegram reported that 200 people “packed the council chamber” while 20 “protesters” were outside fighting.

Those inside spoke about the LGBT community and the need for protections, while the small group outside insulted the opposition. ALL the progress was made INSIDE the building.

These angry stuck-in-the-60s publicity seekers are hurting the LGBT movement.

]]> By: Brian http://www.queerty.com/queer-liberactions-radical-protesting-techniques-smooching-thy-enemy-20091111/#comment-235218 Brian Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:21:34 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=74227#comment-235218 This type of behavior continues to hurt <i>legitimate</i> efforts to obtain LGBT Equality. There is nothing helpful about the QL publicity stunts that simply antagonize people. Fort Worth has made a lot of progress and has worked with LGBT leaders to effect real change. All the "angry" misfits do is mirror the opposition - by acting just like them. This type of behavior continues to hurt legitimate efforts to obtain LGBT Equality. There is nothing helpful about the QL publicity stunts that simply antagonize people.

Fort Worth has made a lot of progress and has worked with LGBT leaders to effect real change. All the “angry” misfits do is mirror the opposition – by acting just like them.

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