Vicki Gunvalson is the one sole woman who defines the entire Real Housewives franchise.
She was a member of the original Real Housewives of Orange County cast back in 2006 when Bravo first began testing the series, and nine years later, she has appeared as the star personality in every season since. She holds the title for being the only Real Housewife to appear in more than 100 episodes of the franchise.
During last weekâs season 9Â reunion show, she explained to moderator Andy Cohen that she didnât think he was gay at first because gay men are usually not âall boy.â Andy Cohen, according to Vicki, is indeed âall boy.â
Hereâs what happened, including reaction shots from Andy Cohen:
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Andy Cohen: [A fan asks] Vicki, I canât believe you actually told a guy he didnât look gay. What exactly does gay look like?
Vicki: Usually theyâre very, very, very fit, theyâre usually very GQ-looking.
Theyâre very poisedâŚnot to generalize â that was my viewpoint.
And they have a little bit of gaydar going on. He didnât have a gaydar. And you donât have a gaydar, either! I mean, youâre all boy to me.
Check out a video of the mess over at Gawker.
Photo: Bravo TV
JJ24
And she is not all there
Desert Boy
Miss Piggy is typical of the chi chi women or the OC. Not too bright, altered and as worldly as Costa Mesa.
Masc Pride
Funny, I’ve basically been told the same thing by some of the gay members here. Is this one of those ridiculous “we can say it, but they can’t” things?
AtticusBennett
@Masc Pride: no, because you’re cowardly liar. you’re not a real person, you’re an anonymous troll. show yourself, then we can talk from a place of honesty. until then you’re just one more stereotypical coward whose “masculinity” exists only in the lies you want people to believe, which you type form a place of anonymity.
also, this woman is an idiot. but she’s a real housewife, so that’s to be expected.
AtticusBennett
as for gaydar – it’s real. and it has nothing to do with mannerisms, per se. but a savvy person who lives in a city and regularly has interactions with diverse groups of people will start to recognize “us.” and that’s not a bad thing, at all.
i’ve never met a gay person i could not “tell” was gay – but i’m also a big city boy, who grew up knowing gay people, and has been Out fro around 15 years now. there are many gay men who mistakenly believe that people think that they’re straight, and some less-savvy straight folks may be fooled: my general style of dress is combat boots, studded belt, jeans and a rocker-tee. add to that the shaved head and tattoos and, yes, sometimes a poor clueless straight doesn’t realize that i’m Just As ‘Mo as anyone else – but “passing for straight” around clueless heteros is sorta like tiptoeing around the blind in order to avoid detection: most can do it, if they want to badly enough, it’s just not terribly noble.
gaydar is real. and it’s honed by interacting regularly with LGBT folks.
unclemike
Sweet Jesus, I hate these women.
catsura
“Andy Cohen: [A fan asks] Vicki, I canât believe you actually told a guy he didnât look gay. What exactly does gay look like?
Vicki: Usually theyâre very, very, very fit, theyâre usually very GQ-looking.
You stupid whore..you know nothing.
Larry
I love Andy Cohen but any person who watches this show demonstrates how stupid they are. These women look like whores, act like whores, and have the brains of a rock.
Liam
That’s it, Gunvalson, try to keep up the illusion that you’re aware of anything anything outside your ego.
DickieJohnson
LOL…GQ-looking? Around here, the OUT ones are more of a “fashion victim” type; the others dress like the rednecks they are. The pic of VG is truly perfect, just like the clueless-deer-in-headlights-biatch she is! The peroxide on her hair has reached her brain.
tradskinhead808
@Desert Boy: babe, Costa Mesa is giving her wwwwwaaaayyyy too much credit. She’s about as worldly as Santa Ana ;-p
tradskinhead808
@Larry: in defense of all rocks, they at least serve some purpose, these “women”, not so much.
marc sfe
@tradskinhead808: I was going to say about as worldly as san bernardinoâŚ..
inbama
She thinks the typical gay guy is “fit, GQ-looking and poised,” and you guys are insulted?
Is “fat, Duck-Dynasty-looking and vulgar” a compliment?
Nikkidane
Most gay people can identify other gay people. I suppose the same goes for lesbians. Occasionally, I’m surprised when someone comes out. I think straight people’s gaydar is not quite as honed unless the person is a flaming queen or a bull dyke. I doubt it even crosses their mind for the most part.
I love the Real Housewives of O.C. I do think Vicki is a big phony and a very controlling woman. I can’t imagine any man being married to her because she is totally dominant. I think that it is cruel that people call her Miss Piggy. I actually think she has become more attractive over the years. I actually admire that she raised her daughter, whom I admire, and she has a successful business. Her values are typical of most Caucasian women her age that live in the O.C. bubble. Most people like her are not even aware of their prejudice.
DarkZephyr
@Masc Pride: Ha ha ha ha ha!! I certainly wasn’t participating in any exchange EVER where anyone told YOU that. LMAO!!!!
wpewen
This lady reminds me of a certain type of stupid women I had to work around a couple times. Like a dumbed down version of Laura Schlessinger, all kinds of opinions, gay guys in the aim of fire. Personally, once I got older I burned out on a lot of women who obsess on gay men-my first fag hag encounter was at 19 with a woman psych major who used to scope out which guy in our group was screwing who.
At 56 I don’t know “gay” look. See quite a few guys who are pretty metrosexual, I guess. She could make any man, gay or straight, run for the door.
mujerado
I’ve been out for 40+ years and live in L.A. I’ve been around gay people all my life. While I can usually tell who’s “one of us” it’s not because they have a certain “look.” Depending on changing fashions, any man can “look” gay.
Black Pegasus
@AtticusBennett: agreed! Gay and straight people do emit difference frequencies. All of us have felt it when we’re in the company of “family”. However, I have found that my gaydar will not pick up any immediate frequencies on these younger guys in their early 20s. Most guys that age are very fashion forward, so the trendy looks will sometimes create a false positive with the gaydar. I once checked the “gay box” for a guy I assumed to be gay because of his skinny leg jeans and overall sense of style. I was very wrong about him, he turned out to be VERY straight, and the frequency corrected itself after I began conversing with the guy.
michael mellor
Vicki seems like your typical female ignoramus when it comes to male homosexuality. She’s a perfect match for that boob Andy Cohen.
vonric
and Vicki shows up loud and clear on my “dumb shrewdar”, with a loud shrill beepbeepbeep…
one of the most fashion-backward men I know – a young twenties-something coworker – wears baggy pants one size to large, and a selection of shirts that suggests the clearance counter at a Salvation Army shop. He’s gay.
The dude who sits next to him is a gymrat, a hunky young man whose pants fit perfectly in all the right places and whose shirts can, on casual inspection, reveal his nipple profile. He’s straight, his gf dresses him….
Vicki reveals the social steriotypes that existed decades ago. Sadly, she has not moved much past the sixties
as for “gaydar” or “bidar”or “straightdar” – have reached the point where I may narrow the odds, but frankly, esp with the new millenials, the old gaydar instincts ring not so true any more….
Cam
Oh Come on, we should feel sorry for her. She has had to be on TV for 9 years after her plastic surgeon has made her look like a hamster.
We should be kinder people, and rather than attack her, simply pity her for her deformity and praise her bravery in walking outside of her house everyday looking like that.
Kieran
Well afterall, gays are increasingly identified under the “GLBT” label. You know, the umbrella that links gays and bisexuals with transgendered people? I can understand where some people could get confused.
PARKAVMAN
These are not real housewives. Real housewives don’t go on TV and make fools of themselves. They have real lives.
dvlaries
No wonder I don’t care if the TV breaks after “Mad Men” shows its final seven.
hephaestion
Andy, why do you keep the Orange County Housewives on the air? They’re ALL vapid, anti-gay bitches who are of no interest.
Masc Pride
@DarkZephyr: erikwm said:
“Most gay guys have always been a bit effeminate.”
http://www.queerty.com/denver-bear-bar-found-guilty-of-discriminating-against-men-in-drag-20140805
I don’t think you were a part of that conversation, but assuming something didn’t happen just because you didn’t see it is pretty arrogant. I’ve actually had quite a few Queerty members reply with things similar to what this lady said. And course we shouldn’t forget Britney’s gay men are “somewhat girls” remark.
TundraMichael
@AtticusBennett: With my experience, I would have recognized that outfit immediately.
DarkZephyr
@Masc Pride: Ha ha, then I mistook your meaning, I thought you were basically saying that gay guys are always telling you how surprised they are that you are gay because you simply lack all the stereotypical qualities of a gay guy.
Danny
I wonder if she would consider retired Navy Seal Kristin (formerly Christopher) Beck an (all Boy). But then, she’s a blonde.
gryphen
@Desert Boy: So you like to just generalize and label everyone. Not much different than what she’s doing. Pot/Kettle
Masc Pride
@TundraMichael: Bet even Stevie Wonder could clock that wardrobe! LOL @ the studded belt.
@DarkZephyr: I’ve actually had that happen plenty of times too (with both gay guys and the straight people I’ve come out to), but that’s not I what I was referring to. I said some gay men say the same things both those ladies have said. Your reading comprehension is awful.
Oli1023
I thought when you have “gaydar” it means you can perceive if someone is gay, not the other way around…
patricko
I’ve never watched the show, but reading these comments from my own community saddens me. The terms “bitch” and “whore” have been used to “keep women in their place” much the same as the word “f@g” has been used to keep us in the dark shadows of society. To fling them at this woman is not ok.
Alton
This is what you get when you make stupid people famous.
DarkZephyr
@Masc Pride: Yes yes, I am sure you have. And my “reading comprehension is awful”? Oh boo hoo. Your attitude towards entire groups of your fellow human beings is awful. Yeah, its SUCH a stretch that I thought you were referencing the part of her words where she “complimented” him on how “not gay” he seemed. Its not like the name you use is “MascPRIDE” or that you have shitty things to say to and about feminine gay men on a regular basis or anything.
ousooner1997
@Larry I watch these shows and I’m far from stupid. Your comment on the other hand is quite stupid.
ousooner1997
@Larry:
I watch these shows and Iâm far from stupid. Your comment on the other hand is quite stupid.
TundraMichael
@Masc Pride: I was actually thinking that if he added a motorcycle jacket and a hint of Aramis, I would think it was Saturday night at the Eagle.
Desert Boy
@gryphen: Wrong again. I’m a native Californian and used to live in Tustin. I speak from experience. Not generalizations.
EGO
Most people think my partner is a butch straight guy. Things are changing and some straight guys look like gay guys. I have been evaluating this for over 52 years.
crowebobby
@AtticusBennett: Yes, gaydar is real to a very large extent, but if you met a gay guy and didn’t realize he was gay, how would you know you’d met a gay guy that you didn’t realize was gay?
onthemark
Re: “Masc Pride”
His masculinity simply oozes from the screen… kinda like syphilitic cum…
He probably has opinions about football too!
onthemark
@crowebobby: LOL – If a gay guy falls in the forest but there’s no one with gaydar around to hear him fall, does he make a sound?
My guess is that “AtticusBennett” probably errs on the high side with gaydar. Maybe most of us do?
Rick
Vicki is what I would call “all twat.”
And a hideously ugly one at that.
topshelf
Vicki is the reason the FF button is worn out on my remote control. She’s completely uninteresting. I practically barfed when her revolting daughter proclaimed “I’m pregnant… again!!!” I can’t watch any scene that focuses on her or her daughter.
Dxley
Some of you are quite obsessed with @Masc Pride. He hit a nerve, didn’t he? đ
pressuredrop
Seems a bit arrogant to claim that your gaydar is never wrong. (Not to mention impossible to prove, obviously.)
I mean, I’m pretty sure culture changes faster than any one person’s ability to read it.
AtticusBennett
@pressuredrop: some of us have been Out for 15 years, and regularly interact with a wide and diverse spectrum of gay men on a regular basis.
and “masc pride” never hits a nerve. he’s your stereotypical internet coward – whose “masculinity’ exists only in his mind.
tricky ricky
she couldn’t tell he was gay????? you could show people just the photos that are on this page and I’m pretty sure 99.9% of them would say he’s got to be gay.
tricky ricky
@pressuredrop: I’m sure some people have 100% gaydar. my own is near 98%.
tricky ricky
as near as I can figure gaydar is an innate subconscious recognition of shared genetic facial markers/features: a member of species instantly recognizing another member of the species.
I’ve given this a lot of thought as I can generally spot the gay instantly, which to me is odd since I am an autistic and can’t recognize peoples faces unless they are in a place I always see them or know them incredibly well (an example is me running into my therapist at a store and not knowing who he was because he was not in the correct contextual circumstance. this happens to me a lot)the flip side of which is if I’ve seen a person in movies, photos or on tv I have near total photographic memory recall of who they are and can identify them from as little as part of their ear and the back of their head (my one savant skill which makes me handy for identifying who the guest stars are on murder she wrote for the boyfriend).
it’s all in the eyes.
pressuredrop
@AtticusBennett:
Okay? Some people have probably been out for just as long and have worse or better “gaydar”.
Gay men being as “wide and diverse” along a spectrum as you say they are, I don’t honestly believe you can pick them out of a crowd with 100% accuracy. Even if you are able to pick up on things that would be considered a “signifier” locally, gay men vary in culture from region to region. If you think it’s that easy, you might be prescribing to stereotypes and convincing yourself that those stereotypes are infallible… But they are, nevertheless, stereotypes, and are never true 100% of the time.
pressuredrop
And before somebody tries to twist that around, I realize that certain indicators can sometimes give clues that somebody is, in fact, gay. Sometimes. I’m not dense enough to think that stereotypes never end up being fulfilled in some way.
The issue is that is stereotype is considered a rule that is never broken. Every single “rule” about gayness, effeminacy etc. ends up being broken by somebody somewhere. There is no formula for “gaydar”, point blank. Anybody who thinks they are perfect at predicting such things is deluded about their own ability, regardless of how they grew up or how long they have been out.
michael mellor
A community built on a sex act – such as the gay community – will always be defeated by its own base instincts. Everything revolves around appearance, sexiness and ‘having a good time’. It’s shallow and limiting.,
Masc Pride
@DarkZephyr: God, you’re like a broken record. I don’t say negative things about fems on a regular basis, which you’ve even admitted (when asked for examples). You just take my screen name as automatic “fem-bashing” because you’re extremely insecure. I’ve seen other members tell you to stop being so sensitive too.
@TundraMichael: And maybe a 70’s gay porn mustache to top it all off! No one will evvvvvvver guess. LOL
@onthemark: I do enjoy football; does that upset you too?
@Dxley: Lol I’m just a scapegoat for the angry fems here.
Saint Law
@Masc Pride:
The point is you’re not very masculine. The clue is in the name. Gays like you think of masculinity as a sort of panto, a costume you can wear. Authentically masculine men never have to tell peops that’s what they are because their actions speak louder than words. That’s what masculinity is, you see: embodied action over disembodied boasts.
You know this. We know this. So why not just put a sock in it already. Srsly. It’s embarrassing.
Saint Law
@Masc Pride: Oh and when one of your only votes of confidence comes from a shrill cripple like Dxley, well, you know you’re doing summut wrong.
Cam
@Saint Law: said…
@Masc Pride:
The point is youâre not very masculine. The clue is in the name. Gays like you think of masculinity as a sort of panto, a costume you can wear
______________________
You mean the way Drag Queens do? đ
lykeitiz
@Masc Pride: Once again, I’m on a thread where I see you’re being attacked not for what you said, but for how some crazies misinterpreted it. I’ve been on that receiving end myself.
Carry on soldier, just don’t feed too many trolls.
AtticusBennett
@pressuredrop: like i said, i totally understand that YOU, yourself, cannot tell. i don’t have that problem.
AtticusBennett
@pressuredrop: and it’s not about “stereotypes”, at all. in fact, it’s the opposite. when you’ve been Out as long as i have, and have been interacting with gay men to the degree that I have for more than 15 years, you simply start to see that thing about us that makes us different.
actually, it’s often easier to spot a Closeted guy. as all Out men were once closeted at some point, we know the act all too well.
and as long as masc-pride and his various aliases are here spouting their nonsense, the rest of us will be here to say “gurl, shut up. you’re not fooling anybody”
đ
UpInTheGallery
Her nonstandard usage of English is interesting. She uses “gaydar” to mean “seems gay to me,” not to refer to the ability to recognize gay people through observation. And she uses “gay” to mean “effeminate” rather than being sexually attracted to people of the same sex.
frshmn
It’s pretty arrogant for anyone to assume to be all knowledgeable on anyone’s inclinations. Just like you can’t always tell who is a top or bottom, it’s pretty rude to make presumptions about someone you don’t know based solely on their appearance and mannerisms.
pressuredrop
@AtticusBennett:
Lol, of course you had to attack my abilities in order to reaffirm your own. You know nothing about my ability to detect other gay men.
As I said, I don’t care how long you have been out. That has nothing to do with it. You keep saying that as if I’m supposed to be impressed. That does nothing to confirm your supposed “perfect” gaydar. And it doesn’t matter if you have been hanging around urban areas with gay men. The things that make gay men different vary from region to region and urban area to urban area. These changes in *culture* only deepen over time.
I’m tired of repeating these points, so I’m going to leave you with them. I think you are exaggerating your abilities to read people. And, yes, you still sound totally arrogant.
Masc Pride
Love the way you guys like to defend effeminacy by using it as an insult. The irony/hypocrisy is quite amusing.
@Saint Obsessed: Funny thing is I really don’t need anyone’s agreement because fans like you are actually much better proof of the obsession to which he was referring. All your posts are about me. I’m actually kinda flattered. đ
Masc Pride
@pressuredrop: Just so you know, Atticus isn’t all there upstairs. We all know it. Don’t let him take you around in circles.
@lykeitiz: Like you said before, “personally wounded”. Spot-on description. I actually kinda feel for some of these guys. They have to be living really hard lives to be so bitter ALL the time.
Bauhaus
@Masc Pride: You really do love the attention you get, don’t you. Studies are now being done on Internet trolls, and you sound just like the sadists in the study. Get some help!
http://time.com/8265/internet-trolls-are-actually-sadists-study-finds/
Masc Pride
@Bauhaus: …and it seems you guys LOVE giving me this attention I supposedly crave so much; what does that say about you? Masochists? I’d much rather read a study that psychoanalyzes people who automatically accuse everyone (who they don’t like or disagree with) of “trolling”. Kiss my a$$.
AtticusBennett
@Bauhaus: @pressuredrop:
yes. i know. you can’t fathom that some of us can spot family. that’s not my problem baby boy.
o
f course he loves the attention, but it’s not REAL attention. it’s cowardly attention. like how a comedy-show heckler doesn’t have the balls to go onstage – so what does he do? he shouts nonsense from the darkness.
that’s what “masc pride” does. know what we should all do? what his own family does: ignore him. that’s why he’s here everyday – his own family wants nothing to do with him
@Masc Pride: grow a pair.
pressuredrop
It’s a long fall off that high horse, dear.