The fact is, in daily life, people are brought up to expect that the people you meet are presenting their considered, important self-identity to you with their behaviour and words. A joke can obviously be identified, but only in the context of contrast – if someone is joking the entire time you interact with them, how are you to know they are joking? Perhaps over the course of the movies, it becomes easy to see he is being completely outrageous, but for the most part the people involved see him only for a short time and respect the fact that he is truly who he is pretending to be. So, in short, I don’t see how it is funny to belittle people for expecting a person to be who they say they are, and often for trying to respect him as a person, which is what the majority of his comedy is.

When Ali G says “ignoranus,” for instance, he is using malapropism, which was one of the main weapons in the minstrels’ comedic arsenal.

As for all the supposed homophobes out there seeing the movie so they can laugh at the mincing faggot… Really? Sitting through two hours of nudity, simulated sex, and very bad techno music seems like a helluva way for a true bigot to spend his Saturday night. In fact, the people in my suburban, red state theater laughed at the same parts I laughed at, cringed when I cringed, and seemed to have a fine time, as did I.

Maybe we should all look in the mirror once in a while and think of our own bigotry

That’s right. I’m an antisemite. You caught me. I’m a terrible person. For shame.

As for my own relatives, I guess I don’t fall into that stereotype. Unless diagnosed with something serious, my family never bitched about their illnesses. And there are no doctors or lawyers in my immediate family either. Shocking, maybe I’m not Jewish…

Do you have jewish relatives over the age of forty? Self explanatory.

Health problems? Please enlighten on that one.

The joke went too far and would have portrayed gay bashing in a positive light. This is just one gay industry professional who was at a screening. There could been others who were responsible for the other edits. Not just Michael Jackson’s death causing the edit of a scene with Latoya Jackson.

Even if you are jewish, remember that the next time you joke to a jewish friend about jews. Jews have become their own worst enemy.

Yes, they did, but not anymore. Times have changed, and blatant antisemitism is considered inappropriate. Unless you’re telling me that lisa lampanelli is primarily getting laughs from antisemitic bigots…

No, people laughed at the stereotypes of Jews being cheap and controlling the world’s finances and media because we all make jokes about stereotypes. If you’re going to cry, it’s best to be from laughter. If you take everything too seriously when a minority with stereotypes, you’re going to have a lot of arguments. I don’t want to assume anything, but if you aren’t Jewish, remember that the next time you joke to a Jewish friend about the tip they left at a restaurant or if they make a purchasing decision based on cost savings.

SBC is an orthodox jew and observant? LOL! I know lots of jews who were born into orthodox homes who aren’t observant…

Twisting your wrods? They’re your words…are these not your words,

I don’t know if it’s environment or what not, but so far none of my NYC based or former NYC based friends who are gay have made any mention to me (or pronounced on Facebook) that they were avoiding Bruno.

? Well? What other conclusion can one draw in the context?

Twist those words some more, you only are twisting the knife into your own ethics! I never said the movie was homophobic. I said there were gay jokes along with the other ethnic and religious and racial jokes. And your analogy about a Neo Nazi making fun of everyone else but themself makes them a bigot…SBC is an Orthodox Jew, and a religiously observant one. So observant, that his fiance, Isla Fischer from Wedding Crashers had to convert to Judaism before he could marry her. So, here’s a religiously Jewish comedian who makes fun of Jews and the Holocaust in his movies…hmm, sorry, your Neo Nazi analogy does not compute.

DO you have proof of this? Where is the linked article that Bruno was edited as per the recommendations of gay rights groups who prescreend it?

Except people aren’t laughing at the jokes because they believe jews are, for example, less than human. THey’re laughing at them because of the absurdity of those who might believe them. That’s not the same here; people are laughing at the fag because he’s gay.

OMG, a comedian can use a gay joke without being a homophobe. I don’t assume that everyone who makes a Jewish joke hates Jews. A joke is a joke.

They screened this movie before it came out. Gay rights groups, GLAAD, etc. They received feedback and actually made changes to the movie based on what was suggested was in bad taste and went too far. If SBC and the producers were intending to create a homophobic movie they wouldn’t have edited those scenes out.

That was a separate point. Now you’re just lying…or you’re too stupid to understand what you were doing.

Well, I think we can rule out southern florida. And for what purpose? Seems like you were suggesting that to invalidate the claim that in more traditionally homophobic places, this won’t confirm people in their beliefs.

I didn’t say I lived in rural areas only, Florida isn’t rural.

Actually, in northern florida, there are rural parts.

No, that was the statement I made that being Jewish was worse than being gay, that I encountered more discrimination for my religion than my sexual orientation. I didn’t say I lived in rural areas only, Florida isn’t rural. You made an assumption because I said western Florida instead of eastern Florida. So those who live in Tampa are not living in a city? Oh wait, that’s because Florida’s east coast is considered more liberal, it’s west coast more conservative, thus rural. There’s a trend to your recent posts, you tend to make assumptions when it comes to those who post a different point of view than yours to try and rationalize why they have to be 100% wrong and you are 100% right.

@TANK:

No, the original comment was about my defending ABBY for seeing the movie with all of their straight friends and they being attacked for being less of a gay for seeing that movie with heterosexuals. Interpret my comments whichever way you want. The facts are that I gave anecdotal evidence on who I saw the movie with to defend ABBY’s right to see it with heterosexuals. This was done back in Post #173. I described those in the theatre here upstate to dismiss the assumption that I watched the movie in the bubble that is Manhattan. Try and twist my words around as much as you want. As you said yourself, “the evidence has you dead to rights.”

I am off to spend more time socializing with my heterosexual friends. When I arrive at the bar and someone proposes a toast for the first round, I am going to give thanks that I have friends who can make intelligent conversations without accusations and assumptions, who come together even though we have different personalities and beliefs, and who have the humility to know that their shit doesn’t stink. Interpret that at will.

Okay, that’s what I understood from watching how it was promoted and sold, and the glaad review.

This anecdotal reasoning is … backed up by superpowers.

Yeah, but even if there’s the joke about black people or asians or jews or even homophobes, the emphasis throughout the entire movie is that it is a fag we’re supposed to be laughing at–that’s what I’ve heard anyway.