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Real World‘s Chet: Don’t Blame Mormons For Prop 8

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Tomorrow is the season finale of The Real World: Brooklyn, which means while we say goodbye to gay JD, transgender Katelynn, and hot Scott, we’re also getting rid of Chet Cannon, the Mormon always quizzing everyone about the sex he’s not able to have. So what’s the blonde tyke’s stance on how his Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints treats gays?

“A couple people take the LDS church for being anti-gay and they’re not at all,” Cannon tells the LAT. “They’re very pro-family, but they’re not anti-gay. … People want to get on the LDS church [for helping pass Prop 8]. They don’t even have enough members in California that the vote could be swayed. To isolate the LDS church and attack them is unfair.”

Beg to differ?

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  • 66 Comments
    • andy_d
      andy_d

      I think the T-shirt says it all.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 12:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Well how much money do they have?

      BTW, I love how “pro-family” doesn’t mean “anti-gay” even if that means support of sodomy laws, marriage amendments, DADT, etc. I mean, what is anti-gay under those circumstances? Personally killing gays?

      What a joke. Who the hell cares what this sexually repressed reality tv star has to say about his church. I’m shocked he made it through without being excommunicated.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 12:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Alec:

      Wasn’t one of the former Mormon cast member excommunicated or kicked out of BYU…I think it was the girl during the New Orleans season?

      Mar 31, 2009 at 1:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aaron J.
      Aaron J.

      Julie.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 1:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bertie
      Bertie

      I love it…”they’re not anti-gay, just very pro-family.” That says it all.

      He practically wanted to crawl into bed with his Real World roomie
      Ryan Conklin. Talk about Bromance.

      Poor brainwashed Mormon kid. sad, really.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tavdy79
      tavdy79

      If the LDS isn’t anti-gay, why did they encourage Mormons from across the US to give tens of millions of dollars and huge amounts of time and energy to push Prop. 8 through, then blatantly lie in a failed effort to conceal all this from the voting public.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @Chitown Kev: I believe so. For rooming with a gay guy.

      And yeah, her name was Julie. That was the last (and second overll) season I watched. I had the excuse of being in high school and hung over for the marathon.

      I actually know quite a few Mormons and, really, I’m sorry, but the religion is extremely hostile to gays. They can sugarcoat it all they want but their dirty laundry is out there for everyone to see. I think you can still be expelled from BYU for having gay sex. Southern Baptists could teach them a lesson in tolerance.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Alec:

      Ok, and if I remember this season correctly, that gay guy was dating someone in the Army because I seem to remember that they didn’t show his face.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @Chitown Kev: Ah yes, “Danny.” A less than stellar role model, given his on-screen infidelities. :-)

      Before the series devolved into Young Models, PC Version, it wasn’t an altogether awful concept. But yes, his boyfriend (and I believe they were still together, at least as of 2005 or so) was in the military and also enjoyed an uncomfortable for everyone meeting with the parents.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Alec:
      Oh, yeah, Danny was a hot little slut during Mardi Gras, if I remember correctly.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      He needs to stop the typical Mormon habit of trying to pretend that their church is not the monolithic behemouth it is. “Oh gee, we’re just little ole country folks that couldn’t hurt a fly” Californai has more mormons that Utah. Their church had a stated policy that they were going to work against prop 8. Multiple friends of mine who came from Mormon families were disowned by their familes because the church told the families that gay people were evil on the inside and were going to hell. So please stop trying to tell me that your church is not against gay people. Frankly if it wasn’t for us you would have nothing to preach against other than caffine and smoking.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @Chitown Kev: Yes. He did his obligatory in the corner repetenance time and, presumably, all was forgiven.

      That was also the season where they toured Ann Rice’s house. Which in retrospect is the most memorable thing about it, and the tour of the bayou and the less than reflective tour guide’s use of a racial eptithet to refer to a certain kind of bird.

      I’m glad that was all of the brain space taken up by that one. :-)

      Mar 31, 2009 at 2:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RM
      RM

      Not only do I blame mormons in general, I specifically blame mormons like Chet who think they are open-minded but refused to speak out against their church when it started persecuting gays.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 3:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Attmay
      Attmay

      I love it when oppressors act like victims. It’s hilarious.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 4:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AlanInSLC
      AlanInSLC

      @Alec:

      You ask how much money they have?

      Enough to be at the top of the Fortune 500 if they weren’t a “Non-profit” organization.

      I’m laughing at the non-profit idea of this damn church.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • bigjake75
      bigjake75

      Just be sure and blame all of the African Americans who voted overwhelmingly against gays and lesbians. 52% of Californians voted against us, but a much higher number of blacks voted against us. Black on gay bigotry is uncomfortable to talk about, but we had better deal with it.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bertie
      Bertie

      @bigjake75:

      get your facts straught and pull your racist head out yer ass.

      Non-Black Votes in Favor of Proposition 8:

      White Men:  51% of 31% of 10,325,615 votes:  1,632,480 Yes
      White Women:  47% of 32% of 10,325,615 votes:  1,552,972 Yes
      Latino Men:  54% of 8% of 10,325,615 votes:  446,067 Yes
      Latino Women:  52% of 11% of 10,325,615 votes:   592,170 Yes
      Asian/Native:  51% of 9% of 10,325,615 votes:  473,946 Yes

      Total:  4,697,635 (9.3 times the maximum TOTAL number of Black votes in California.)

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @bigjake75: That is a lie. I am working on the repeal Prop 8 campaign and that is imply not true. Elderly church going black voters along with Republicans, elderly voters of every race, and whites living in suburban and rural areas voted largely yes on 8. Unfortunately elderly voters are a large voting block in the black community zero outreach was done to them by the NO on 8 people. Many were told that to vote for Yes on 8 was voting yes on civil unions and that voting No would get their preacher arrested if he refused to marry gay couples. As someone who worked on Prop 8 before the elections and continues to canvass and organize on this issue and am frankly sick of people spread misinformation and divisiveness. Oh and for the record I AM BLACK STRAIGHT AND CHRISTIAN. The supreme Court is going to rule any day now we need need constructive not destructive voices on the issue of marriage equality.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • bigjake75
      bigjake75

      @Bertie: oh sir I am not racist. you can look at numbers how you want, i was not saying there were more black voters. the voted against us at a higher rate than the general population..regardless of the reason. And using your numbers, white men voted at a lower rate than hispanic men. Could there be cultural attitudes against gays? I notice you did not put the stats regarding black voters….could it be because they voted against us by over 60%???

      @getreal…it is not a lie. You go on to indicate why many voted against us…glad you are working in outreach this time. I agree we need to be united. So maybe calling me racist and liar is not productive. If I am incorrect, share the proper info. But don’t ignore info just because it is uncomfortable. Regardless of why anyone voted against us…they need to be taught different.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RichardR
      RichardR

      @Bertie: @getreal: Bertie and Getreal, thanks for smackin’ down the dope.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • lee
      lee

      Please…I was raised Mormon and promptly excommunicated when I came out. Mormonism is full of hypocricy. They didn’t accept african-american as full members until the mid 1970’s and they still advocate that a woman’s role should be at home with the children. The official word from Salt Lake is to oppose the ERA and any pro-gay right policy. This guy is living with mormon-glasses on. He needs to pull his head out of the sand and see the church for what it really is.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @bigjake75: First of all I never called you a racist. I think you passing along misinformation. Elderly people voted overwhelmingly in favor of Prop 8 and elderly people make up a very large block of the black voting block it is therefore misleading to say blacks are responsible for Prop 8. There were many counties and areas Fresno for example where 80% of white voters voted in favor of Prop 8. I’m not just working on this issue”this time” I have worked on this issue for years and will continue to until we put an end to 2nd class citizenship of LGBT people in this country. The divisiveness tanked the Prop 8 campaign in November we really don’t need people sowing the seeds of discontent. So I would suggest you study the data before you spread more misinformation.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BrianZ
      BrianZ

      @bigjake75: It looks like you are still rolling with the widely debunked exit polling numbers that placed black support for prop 8 ~ 70%. This has been correct to 55-59%. You can read some of the newer studies done on the issue here http://www.ppic.org/main/publication.asp?i=860 . This was done by the state of California.

      @Bertie: You really did not address the original statement made by bigjake75. Even in the most comprehensive post-election polling concerning Prop 8, blacks do show a higher level of support of Prop 8 than other racial groups. And while bigjake was probably off-target on his numbers, his statement otherwise holds water. It certainly did not warrant calling him a racist, regardless of where he keeps his head.

      @getreal: Great on you for out there doing it. It is unfortunate that outreach programs missed so many communities, and so many opportunities as well. I think it’s good to keep the conversation centered and focused on the goals and the reasons. I also think it’s important to not miss any more opportunities and that includes people who still cling to old information on both sides of the arguement. People have a right to their opinions and feelings, but I’m sure you’ll agree it’s better to give them the best facts available to base those opinions on, yes?

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BrianZ
      BrianZ

      @BrianZ: Uhg the study was done by Public Policy Institute of California, not the state.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 6:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @BrianZ: I completely agree we need to arm people better with facts this time. And we need to address the false statistics and misinformation being spread which you did so well.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BYUGRAD
      BYUGRAD

      I grew up Mormon in Utah, but don’t practice now. There is definitely anti-gay sentiment in the Mormon church. They are “pro-family” as long as that family meets the definition of mom, dad, and a bunch of kids. They certainly are not pro-family if there are two gay dads or two lesbian moms.

      And in response to Eric (#7), yes, you can still be expelled from BYU for gay sex. You can also be expelled for straight sex, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, or not going to church.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @BYUGRAD: In the 70s and 80s, and maybe into the 90s, who knows, there were reports of men being followed to gay bars by BYU officials. They still do that? Is there still an imbalance in enforcement?

      BTW, for those interested, here’s the university’s “homosexual conduct” policy:

      “Homosexual behavior or advocacy”

      Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or orientation and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards. Members of the university community can remain in good Honor Code standing if they conduct their lives in a manner consistent with gospel principles and the Honor Code.

      One’s sexual orientation is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity. Homosexual behavior or advocacy of homosexual behavior are inappropriate and violate the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings. Advocacy includes seeking to influence others to engage in homosexual behavior or promoting homosexual relations as being morally acceptable.

      Violations of the Honor Code may result in actions up to and including separation from the University.”

      available at http://www.affirmation.org/news/2007_045.shtml

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • bigjake75
      bigjake75

      @BrianZ: thank you for your numbers. my 60% was inflated, although not by much. Your comments to all of us were very reasoned. We have to be able to hash out these issues and talk without attacking one another.

      and I am a grad of byu too, former LDS, go to BYU website and look up their ‘honor code’ and you will see what they want to enforce as far as morality. while they enforce many things, Im sure gay sex would get you removed the quickest.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ousslander
      Ousslander

      While i think chet is a douche, he does have point. The mormon church may have pumped a lot of money into the campaign it was the voters of california that passed prop 8. So why single out thee church? Why not a boycott of california, also?

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BYUGRAD
      BYUGRAD

      @Alec: I don’t know of any gay bars for BYU officials to follow gays into, at least not in Provo, Utah. I haven’t lived there for a long time though. They might kick out a student just for going into any bar.

      Still, the Mormon church has always been anti-gay and I agree that being gay could get you kicked out of BYU faster than a lot of other Honor Code violations.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @Ousslander: Apart from the fact that a boycott of California is impractical, given the relatively large LGBT population there, and the fact that CA is relatively liberal and progressive on gay rights in other respects?

      How about they just look at it as a boycott of Utah for all of their other sins? I’m sorry, but you’re not going to convince me that their overwhelming financial support did not make a difference, that their use of their lay members as footsoldiers of intolerance and their promotion of lies in advertising for proposition 8 did not have an impact.

      Utah under the Mormons is as close as the US has ever been to a theocracy in the truest sense of the word. We should boycott them on principle. They’re anti-gay through and through. I’d rather live in the South than Utah (and yes, I’ve been).

      Actually, I think a nasty, anti-Mormon campaign would be interesting. I wonder what they would think of what they did then? How about reminding Jews that they baptize victims of the Holocaust? Mainline Christians contemplating more cooperation that they believe they can become gods in the afterlife? Their wilful blindness to child sexual abuse and their history of polygamy? Their belief that God cursed black people with their skin color, abandoned only when it became politically inconvenient to hold that position? And the list goes on and on and on and on….

      I’m in no mood to play nice with the LDS. They deserve everything they’re getting and more.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 7:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ousslander
      Ousslander

      @Alec: Why is it impractical but one of utah is not. I’m not forgiving anyone their trespasses against me. I’m sure cali has lot of sins in its closet.
      No matter their campaigning it wAs still left up to californian voters. I think it is hypocrisy of the highest order to not held them to higher contempt and more vitriol than utah n mormons

      Mar 31, 2009 at 8:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @Ousslander: Did CA have a sodomy law that had to be struck down in 2003? Does CA allow employers to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation? Does CA have a marriage ban that also prohibits domestic partnership benefits and civil unions?

      No, CA does not.

      I don’t think it is “hypocrisy” at all. But for the Mormon money, grassroots action and lies would the ban have been successful? No.

      In Utah over 70% of the voting public banned same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnership benefits (scraps). The LDS have financed, in large part, at least three high profile marriage amendments: HI, CA and UT….and CA twice, once in 2000 and again in 2008.

      So no, not hypocrisy at all, because it isn’t a single incident.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 8:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      I think the Mormon church should lose their tax exempt status. They are using church funds to push a political agenda so they are no longer a church but a PAC (political action committee) and should be taxed. These people came into the our state and used millions of dollars to force their values on people. They used trickery, hatred, and outright lies to write discrimination into our constitution which I think is indefensible. As a christian they also acted like they are the voice of christians in America and they aren’t there is a large population of christians who are sick of these fundamentalists trying to impose their intolerance and hypocrisy on everyone else. And calling a spade a spade I don’t know any christians church who even considers Mormons christians they are quasi-christians at best a well funded cult at worst founded by a charlatan.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 8:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GayIsTheWay
      GayIsTheWay

      Momons are 100% to blame for Prop 8 and every other haterosexual-only marriage amendment.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 8:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ousslander
      Ousslander

      @Alec: a lot states have or have had sodomy laws but we are talking about californians voting to ban same sex marriage. You are blaming another state and part of its population for what california did.
      All i am saying is blame those that actually cast the votes. Unless cali is intellectually inferior simpletons that cannot think for themselves and do not not right from wrong unless people in another state tell them think

      Mar 31, 2009 at 9:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • cls
      cls

      He says Mormons aren’t anti-gay just pro-family. Much the way the Klan is not anti-black just pro-white. While he concentrates on the number of Mormons voting he intentionally ignores the amount of money the Church raised for Prop 8 directly and, more importantly, indirectly. The whole exercise was conducted by the LDS sect with the intention of hiding their role as much as possible. This sort of deception is a tradition with that cult.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 9:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      @Ousslander: Uh, no. That’s not all we are talking about. We’re talking about a decade of concerted anti-gay action on the part of the “LDS.” You can pretend that all we are talking about is prop 8, but it isn’t. The anti-gay animus of the LDS has been documented elsewhere, and it goes well beyond gay marriage.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 9:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Ousslander: I’m confused why people who have a history of discrimination themselves would turn around and discriminate against others. If Mormons are so pro family why are they spending so much time and money trying to break-up gay families? The reason we are blaming the people of Utah is because they pored into our state on buses, in cars and caravans spent millions of dollars on hate campaign, went into to churches and told bald faced lies. They set up phone banks in Utah and called our state for months with BS propaganda and forced their bigotry on our state. Why don’t you Mormons clean up their own state why not clean up the polygamous cults where women and children are being exploited?

      Mar 31, 2009 at 9:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      “Loving long-term relationships between men and women or between same-sex couples do not threaten our children, our families, our communities. On the contrary, stable relationships enhance society’s ability to raise healthy, engaged, and productive citizens. There is no problem.”

      Maxine Waters (D-CA) U.S. Congress, House 1996, H7531

      Mar 31, 2009 at 9:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ousslander
      Ousslander

      I can agree with you about everything you said. I just don’t understand why u don’t hold californans to the same standard afterall californians voted for prop 8. Why do excuse the people and state that did the voting?

      Mar 31, 2009 at 9:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Ousslander: Because people were lied to that is why. There was a 75 million dollar propaganda machine spreading lies and misinformation and the largest contributor to that campaign were Mormons. If their cause was so righteous they would not have INVADED our state and spread lies and derision.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 10:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ousslander
      Ousslander

      Ok californians are idiots who ciuldnt research the matter and belived what a stranger told them on the phone. I see the light californians are completely blameless and should not be held responsible for their actions or votes

      Mar 31, 2009 at 10:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Ousslander: No the idiots are people who stand up for the mormons funding bigotry.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 10:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ousslander
      Ousslander

      I have not defended the mormons . I place the blame on both parties its you who defended the californians and their vote. So who isthe idiot?

      I’m going to bed goodnight!

      Mar 31, 2009 at 10:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott
      scott

      Wasn’t Chet the jerk who “jokingly” said he wanted to find Katelynn’s vaginal dilation device (aka dildo) and play a joke on Katelynn. He found that funny. Even after seeing how disturbed Katelynn was about his suggestion and told him flat out to stay away, he seemed to act like a jerk.

      If it’s the same creep. Than I don’t believe a word this idiot says.

      Mar 31, 2009 at 10:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mike80
      mike80

      He is a cool man. we all love him. there are so many fans of him. and they set up the groups related to stars. you can even check out his sexy and beautiful photos, videos and blogs on
      http://www.agelesskiss.com

      Apr 1, 2009 at 2:09 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John in CA
      John in CA

      Well, there’s plenty of blame to go around. Mormons. Catholics. Muslims. And what have you. But, ultimately, the voters themselves bear the lion’s share of responsibility for being grossly misinformed and spiteful.

      Though I think part of it was a protest vote against the ruling class as well. In the same vein as voters in Europe voting “no” on European Union reforms for no other reason than to stick it to the aristocracy. There was an unfortunate perception – certainly encouraged by the religious right – that same-sex marriage was being “pushed” upon the population of California by the evil Washington and Sacramento elite. The condescending and arrogant reaction of the politicians certainly did not help.

      Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger: “It’ll never happen [Prop. 8 passing]”

      San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom: “Like it or not, same-sex marriage has come to California.”

      U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “I don’t see this as an issue of concern to most people…it is a political tactic with a political purpose ”

      Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa: “Same-sex marriage is the law of the land in California. There’s no going back now.”

      Unfortunately, this is not exactly the sort of campaign rethoric that will drive Americans (who distrust power as a rule) to do the right the thing. It comes off as dismissive of voters as “morons” and “idiots.” But the ruling class in California forgot that the morons and idiots can do something about it because this is America (where you and a couple of your drunken buddies can put anything on the ballot you want).

      Apr 1, 2009 at 3:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael
      michael

      He’s just a big ole self loathing queen who, like many, cannot bare to pay the price that being himself might cost, the price is aloneness. Whether you believe that the whole Jesus story is fact or fiction it does illustrate something we can all learn from. The story illustrates that ultimately for Jesus to be who he really was, or is, meant that he would have to be alone. There is no room in the inn for who we really are. If we become who we truly are it might mean our crucifiction. But ultimately, if we hang in there, we will arise.
      There is a gift in being gay that is like no other. As gay people we have chosen to come to this world bringing a self that is scorned by the scorned. We are seen as immoral, less than and our very existence is seen as a sin. We know an aloneness that few can fathom. But if we survive, if we stand tall and never deny ourself, we come to know who we really are, how beautiful we are and that we are not just loved, but we are the embodiment of love itself, this is all enlightment is but it is an enormous and difficult task, a task Chet may never be able to take on, so in order to never know the aloneness that leads to self discovery he will chose to hate what he runs from in himself. I actually feel sorry for him.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 4:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • osocubano
      osocubano

      Suck a dick and you’ll find out, Chet!

      Apr 1, 2009 at 7:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      MTV is homophobic. Don’t fall for its occasional inclusion of gay men in shows like Real World. Its true attitude to same-sex relations can be seen in shows like its bisexual dating show, a show which refuses to have any male bisexuals or male gays on it. MTV effectively panders to homophobes by refusing to have male bisexuals on its bisexual dating show.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 9:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Attmay
      Attmay

      @Alec: Lilburn Boggs, governor of Missouri who issued the extermination order, became my hero when I found out who he was and why he was forced to take action against that filthy cult.

      We need a full-fledged media campaign to show those monsters as what they really are. The Mormon Cult should lose its right to exist, never mind its tax-exempt status. Behead those who insult homosexuality! :)

      Apr 1, 2009 at 10:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cee
      Cee

      He’s an idiot. Watched one episode of that Real World Brooklyn trash and it was evident that Chet is a moron.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 12:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bertie
      Bertie

      tax exempt “religions” are the root of all social oppression.the Mormons/LDS Church are slowly learning they need to BUY their way into respectability via politics and

      The Prop 8 was a media disaster for them. Though it will not stop their attacks on gays and civil marriage equality in USA.

      LDS 101:

      According to The Book of Mormon,
      The resurrected Jesus Christ had a stopover in America on his way to heaven and blessed the descendants of Lehi (a wealthy Hebrew merchant and prophet) who traveled from the Middle East circa 600 BC to the Americas by boat (?!).

      Some time after the death of Lehi (in the Americas), Nephi (Lehi’s fourth son) overheard that his brothers (including Laman (Lehi’s oldest son) and his followers the Lamanites, were plotting to kill him, so he (Nephi) and his followers left and went into the wilderness. The Nephites later discovered another civilization living in America, and the combined group also called themselves Nephites.

      LDS says God initially marked the Lamanites with a darker skin color to identify them and their state of wickedness.

      By AD 400 all of the wicked Nephites were destroyed in numerous wars with the Lamanites.

      The surviving Lamanite – man named Moroni buried the righteous story of his people in upstate NY. He came back as angel and appeared to a con-artist and shyster Joseph Smith.

      Joseph Smith would later become the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. He said that on the night of September 21, 1823, the Angel Moroni appeared to Smith and told him about the Golden Plates that were buried (in a stone box) a few miles from Smith’s home in upstate NY; visited Smith various times over the course of the next six years; and after Smith (using a magic hat and glasses) translated a portion of the egyptian writing on the plates as the Book of Mormon, Smith turned the plates back over to Moroni.

      With the Book of Mormon and LDS Church, white Americans became the chosen people of God’s son Jesus Christ.

      Another Mormon belief is that men resurrect their wives. The Mormon man if he is worthy will become a god on some uninhabited planet out in the Universe. He then as the god of his own world will at his own discretion resurrect those wives who were faithful and obedient to him. They then become the goddesses of his planet and rule with their husbands in this celestial kingdom.

      Heaven for Mormon women is eternal pregnancy. They have to produce the spirit babies who will populate the world when human babies are born. Also those LDS women who are not ‘sealed’ to their husbands for all time and eternity in a temple marriage or were never married will be the servants of those goddess wives who were blessed by their husbands and were resurrected.

      The planet “Kolob” is the “nearest unto the throne of God”
      the planet where the great council of gods met and Jesus’s plan for redemption was accepted and Satan’s rejected. The gods who meet on Kolob assign the newly exalted gods (Mormons who were faithful) to the planets where they will rule with their wives, such as the god of earth.

      ps – Donny and Marie Osmond’s 70s record label was called KOLOB

      pss – The LDS Church has been in Hawaii since 1850.The Church made remarkable headway, with more than 4,000 Hawaiian convert members in fifty-three branches by late 1854. LDS owns thousands of acres and the biggest (tax-exempt) tourist attraction on Oahu “The Polynesian Cultural Center”.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 12:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      Well I’m a christian and I have been working on the marriage equality/equal rights issue in California for years. There are about 40 different fully staffed gay rights religious organizations in California alone most run by straight christians who are fed up with living in a country that still has institutional discrimination. It is clear there are people on this site who are not spending anytime in the marriage equality activism community calling ALL christians evil,filthy (I see that one a lot), and homophobic. There are christians in every level of activism on this issue so don’t demonize a large and varied group of people(hundreds of millions of people) on the actions of an ignorant fanatical percentage of their number. As far as tax exempt status I have said many times on this site and been saying for many years if you play in politics you are no longer just a church and you should not receive a tax exemption. Imagine how much money that would cost the mormon leadership. Why has no one gone after them on this issue?

      Apr 1, 2009 at 2:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bertie
      Bertie

      there is one voice in the wilderness — only.
      It belongs to Fred Karger from CaliforniansAgainstHate.com

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karger

      Apr 1, 2009 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @Bertie: One voice in the wilderness? No my brother it may feel that way but there are many voices and bodies that go with them working even as we speak to abolish these laws and to put an end to the 2nd class citizenship of LGBT people. People from the labor movement,the immigrants rights movement,black organizations, and people from the chrisitan community. If anyone here think LGBT people are alone on this issue come to this town hall (if you are in the LA area) you will see a coalition of my varied causes concentrating on this issue as it is a critical issue for our country to solve. Let’s not forget that every union that California has (we are talking a lot of blue collar straight men) voted unanimously against supporting Prop 8. There was NO debate 50 unions unanimously voted in favor of gay rights that is unprecedented. Even last week a group of labor unions and immigrants rights groups hosted Cleve Jones for a panel discussion on how to win on this issue. It seems you just want to sow the seeds of discontent but it is clear you know absolutely nothing about the work being done on Prop 8.(I was there. There were people their to support this issue with their families who did not even speak english they just wanted to show solidarity for civil rights). Maybe you should stop spreading misinformation and if you don’t know what you are talking about shut-up! We have had enough divisiveness on this issue and people are working together we don’t need another armchair activist doing nothing and talking about work he is obviously not a part of. The mormons used divisiveness to separate people on this issue we really don’t need people on the same side doing their work for them.

      Marriage Equality Town Hall

      As the California Supreme Court considers legal arguments for overturning Prop 8, LGBT community centers, in partnership with Equality California, HONOR PAC, and allied organizations throughout the state, are joining together to host a series of Town Hall meetings in early April. The meetings will include updates from Prop 8 legal experts and open discussion on the future of the movement.

      LOS ANGELES
      WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1, 2009, 7:00 PM
      The L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center will host the first Town Hall meeting on Wednesday, April 1 from 7-9:30 p.m. at our Village at Ed Gould Plaza. Please join us and take part in helping to shape the direction of the movement!

      OTHER DATES AND LOCATIONS:

      April 2 – San Diego (San Diego LGBT Community Center)
      April 9 – Santa Barbara (Pacific Pride Foundation)
      April 13 – San Francisco (San Francisco LGBT Community Center)
      April 16 – Fresno (ErasetheH8, Fresno City College Diversity Club)
      April 21 – Sacramento (Curtis Hall, Sierra 2)
      April 23 – Long Beach (The Art Theater)
      May 7 – Orange County (The Center OC)

      More specific information regarding the time, address and speakers for each Town Hall will be distributed by each community center co-hosting a meeting and will also be available at: http://www.eqca.org/townhall.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 3:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SteveDenver
      SteveDenver

      Hey Chet,
      Suck my dick in front of the temple and let’s gauge the reaction.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 3:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bertie
      Bertie

      @getreal:

      sounds fun – make sure to not ask the Town Hall participants to line Lorri Jean’s pockets (“It’s biggest GLBT Center in the country! with the best paid directors”) in a collection plate on the way out. They are better off buying a megaphone for the next protest or support Lamda Legal who are working hard.

      Be sure to tell the non-English-speaking freedom fighters at CA Town Hall meetings that the Mormons/LDS believe that Native Americans and Indians living here at the time of the Spaniard colonization of Americas are the descendents of the “wicked, loathsome and filthy” Lamanites who killed all the good Nephites – except for the righteous Mormon and his son Moroni who buried those sacred plates for Joseph Smith to find in NY.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 3:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @Bertie: The center is donating the space and I do work with Lamda Legal how many Lamda Legal events did you go to to help fund their defense of equality? NONE! You are just flapping your gums trying to divide people.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 3:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bertie
      Bertie

      I fully support Lamda Legal with time and money.

      divisive, me?…never!

      Next time we all take to the streets — let’s promise to NOT divide. We stay and block traffic – get on the news – and get out one clear message:

      Civil Marriage and its legal protections is a civil right owed to all tax paying citizens of this country.

      and if religious leaders or churches oppose this thought –
      then let them pay taxes and join the argument.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 4:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @Bertie: I could not agree with you more.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 4:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Attmay
      Attmay

      It’s also interesting how the filthy Mormons and their collaborators don’t mind infringing on the rights of the United Church of Christ, Unitarian Universalist, and Episcopalian churches and Reform Jewish synagogues that do wish to perform same-sex weddings.

      Apr 1, 2009 at 6:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Julie
      Julie

      @Alec: You would get kicked out if you had ANY sex.

      Apr 3, 2009 at 1:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Katchin05
      Katchin05

      @Chitown Kev:
      Yes, Julie was kicked out of BYU for living with men she wasn’t related to.

      Jul 26, 2010 at 10:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mack Robertson
      Mack Robertson

      Over a number of years I have met a number of gay LDS men. Such great people. The church is losing a great asset by excommunicating them. They are also causing so much hurt and confusion among these outstanding citizens. Fortunately, the vast majority have realized the false religion the church practices.

      Nov 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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