Gay activist John Norris wants Barack Obama to publicly drop his anti-gay preacher pal and superdelegate James Meeks: “Whether or not you choose to offer a public accounting of the reasoning behind the decision to ask Meeks to join you as both a key spiritual adviser and close political ally, the idea of seating Meeks as a delegate at the Democratic Convention is simply abhorrent. Therefore, I respectfully request that you ask for his resignation.” [eQualityGiving]
Resignation Request.
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M Shane
Sounds like a Clinton or McCain swiftboater. Why doesn’t he chalenge our real opponents.
Grey
Thank you M Shane!
Fight the real enemy! [insert picture of McCain]
Bitch Republic
Go John!
Bitch Republic
Ask Obama to resign from the race while you’re at it.
queerunity
i support obama but would like him to denounce this pastor
http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com
Kid A
I respectfully request that John Norris get a fucking clue.
Charley
Obama is not responsible for what anyone who supports him thinks. He is not a close friend with Meeks. Meeks is a Christian spin off of the Chicago anti-white afrocentic movement started by Farrakhan. Wright, Meeks and others are impressed by Farrakhan because he attracted large crowds for his march. Money and power.
$$$$$$$
Charley
John Norris’s open letter. http://www.equalitygiving.org/Senator-Barack-Obama-Reverend-James-Meeks
Rainy
It may be wrong but people are allowed to feel that being gay is a sin. I don’t agree with that, but there it is.
Hephaestion
Better we should spend time fighting the man who will take us into the Dark Ages, John McCain. One Supreme Court nomination by McCain and America will be screwed for the rest of our lives.
M Shane
Hephaestion, you are so on the money about the real issues which mark the terrifying significance of this race.
The error that so many well meaning people make is that of believing that once Bush & Cheny are gone, we can breath a sigh of relief.
We forget that what overshadows this point in the history of this repiublic is that people have allowed the constitution to fail seriously. The greatest Achillies heel is the the separation of powers is corrupted. Putting court judges in place who have extreme political convictions is contrary to the very idea of making a body that provides checks and balances.
Hepaestion is pointing to an evil process of disregarding everything that the Founders put in place forthe safety of our way of life.
What significance do the beliefs of a few relitively unimportant peole have to do with that?
These sma;l minded things have nothing toi do with the big picture: they are just put thier to through us off track.
Alan down in Florida
I agree that the next President needs to be a Democrat, particularly for the purposes of being able to appoint the next Supreme Court justice(s).
That being said, Sen. Obama’s affiliation with anti-gay ministers such as Meeks and active ex-gay performer Donnie McClurkin as well as anti-white ministers such as Mr. Wright (who I believe is relatively benign on gays for the black church) makes me wonder if we can rely on his appointing Supreme Court justices that are in fact GLBT friendly. His broad anti-gay Black Church support might prevent that from happening. And, in the end, the Senator is a POLITICIAN who doesn’t cross the groups that got him elected.
Puddy Katz
Who is John Norris trying to revise yesterday’s news.
Hillary plant that’s who he is!
M Shane
You’re in all likelyhood correct, Puddy Katz, my exact thought, the timings a give away
I would be more afraid of the kind of Justice Cinton would appoint since she doesn’t even personally approve of gay marriage.
Something that people easily forget about is that Obama has to, as a token first black candidate, have is the consent , or appearance of consent of the community.
I think that it would be a mistake to believe that we are consequently getting a whole cadre of black people as appointies etc. One
of the abhorant things that Bush has done is to appoint virtual twins as Judges. I think that the last hing that someone like Obama would do, considering that he has an incredible body of white intelectuals etc as backers is to
risk the embarrasment of appointing someone like Wright.
Not that I can’t imagine your fear Alan, after the kind of politics Bush has given us, but I don’t think that will be the case. Remember this is the most liberal senator we have had apply.
I think, and hope that things will be different.
You have to remember that Clinton has been judged to be the most unreliable of the two., and I think the least fair and conservative minded. Remember that Obamas Afro American status is adopted, not inborn.
M Shane
p.s. Alan It is my hope and belief that Obama wants to bring America back to what is is supposed to be given our Constitution. I think that there is something special about his idealism that is worth betting on. Bush is unique in assigning judges whio were dummies just like him, and not people who were wise readers of the Contitution, who could tell him that he is wrong.
Charley
Obama, half black, half white, is a product of what it means to be American. Although there are those like the Afro-centric pastors and black bloggers, who don’t want to go near the half white. We queers are next in line. Who is the mediator for us queers politically. Most likely, a bisexual, or transexual who understands through personal experience both sides of the the gender spectrum.
Bitch Republic
M Shane, it’s people like you who read all sorts of fantastical ideas into what Obama will do. He’s never said any such thing. You’re just making stuff up in your head. Obama followers are asshats.
Puddy Katz
Oh Charley. Bisexuals and Transpeople are held in less esteem than gays and lesbians. Perhaps you read this in a Queer Studies class but honey it ain’t happening.
Mr C
And Bitch Republic it’s people like you that feels being a lawyer for 35 yrs and a fucking first lady who other women was fucking your husband has experience as well. Bitch ain’t did shit. Yeah she tried her version on Universal Healthcare and the congress SHUT HER DOWN!
Since we Obama supporters are asshats
You Clinton supporters are ASSHOLES!
By the way what the fuck can she do if the house and senate
SHUT HER DOWN AGAIN……..MOTHERFUCKING NOTHING!
AND THAT ALSO MEANS NOTHING FOR THE GAYS.
Which won’t get anything done anyway!
FUCK HILLARY CLINTON!
churchill-y
Another hate monger supporting Obambi doesn’t suprise me given his poor judgement. You know all the black church homophobes(wich essentially are most black church goers) are going to be position by him in all areas of government that deal with LGBT people in one way or another, including the judicial system should he ever get the nomination.
Alan down in Florida, I totally agree with you but do look up more info on Wright before stating he’s somehow “benign” to gay’s. Opposing his denomination in recognizing full equality for us doesn’t seem so benign to me.
Ohh and “MR C” go do that to yourself and then to Obambi hun!
Mr C
UMMMM Excuse me Churchill-Y
It’s really strange how Jeremiah Wright is really being a pain in the side to some of you White gays. A man who in Illinois has been more than affirming and good to Gays. But since you all want to say that Obama will bring all these homophobes into his cabinet should he get elected.
It’s nice you all. love Bush and all the WHITE homophobe ministers that has come from them. OH key word WHITE
And since Hillary is so inncoent of being connected to shady ministers. Like I posted in a previous post.
okay lets hear it for the boy.
Check this out since you love talking about Donnie McClurkin, and James Meeks, Rev Wright. Like Clinton is a innocent person.
Speaking of pastors, Hillary and Bill’s previous pastor, Rev. William Procanick was found guilty of child molestation. He was accused of 1st degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child.
http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857
PRAISE GOD FROM WHOM ALL HYPOCRITES FLOW!
Last but not lease while Hillary does not agree with Rev. Wrights appoach to religion, her current pastor does. Hillary and Bill attend ther Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington.
Hillary has stated, she would not accept Rev Wright as her Pastor. HER Pastor doesn’t agree.
The Rev. Dean Snyder wrote: Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader. A church leader, whom he has heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as aprofound voice for justice and inclusion in our society………Thus, white americans would do to listen carefully to Dr. Wright, rather than use a few quotes to polorize. This is a critical time in America’s history as we seek to repent of our racism.
So there girl you have it.
So find out eveything on Hillary with religious figures before you keep ranting your cocksucking mouth on Obama’s religious connections!
BY THE WAY FAGGOT. I’M BLACK, GAY AND CHRISTIAN. Who isn’t a homophobe All of a sudden Blacks are your new target.
KISS MY ASS!
Mr C
WHITE ministers has demonize gays and still continue to And don’t plan on stopping anytime soon.
Alacer
“since she doesn’t even personally approve of gay marriage.”
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? neither candidate does. I’m pretty sure there never has been one that does! When it all boils down, on queer politics, THEY’RE BASICALLY THE SAME CANDIDATE! don’t get delusional. Neither of them are perfect. When you really look at it. neither are all that great, just running around pandering to each little individual group. Yeah Hillary’s got issues, but Barack is no pro-gay messiah either.
churchill-y
MR C
Look’s like you have a problem with reading and doing a basic GOOGLE seach. So here i’m gonna help you, you poor stupid thing;
http://www.irenemonroe.com/2007/04/12/baracks-marriage-equality-obama-nation/
AlACER, MR C doesn’t let facts get in the way of his blind support for Obambi, just because he’s black. Hey MORON BOY!(MR C)if I ever hear of someone who’s been so intimately connected with Hillary as FATHER FIGURE Wright has been to Obambi and esposes the trash that he and the other knuckle draggers who happen to be black do, I would scrutinize her as much as I do Obambi.
Unlike you (MR C) i’m not willing to look the other way just because someone is of my own race, and yes that’s what most black’s are doing!
By the way toilet mouth(MR C), on the “KISS MY ASS” comment; NEVER! Not even for all the money in this world, would I ever go near that thing.
I have way better tastes HUN!
M Shane
I’m not about to get into any hair raising contest of irrational deceptions which some people like you,bitch republic, fester on. It is fair and only reasonable to make educated speculations about behavior. Because you just don’t like the fact that not much good can be extrapolated from Clinton, and there is a great deal of room to expect good things from Obama, we are not prohibited from expecting the best.
Your presumed notion of”fantastical ” expectations only comes from knowing as well as everyone as that not much of anyone can extrapolate anything god from Clinton, because she like her husband are percieved as being hard core liars. 60% of Democrates don’t trust her. For good reason. She supports the war: which has doomed us no longer as paradigms of democracy in the world but torturers. She has not withdrawn from any of the dispcable positions which which he and the republicans damned gays as well as this country. She is supported by jerks like Rupert Murdoch.What’s to trust?
Give some reason to not expect that Obama .the most liberal Senator, anti war, pro working person, populist will not come through magically well.
Relative to what we have had, and what we could get he looks incredibly good. Like any person of the world he has a wide range of aquaintances, some of who may have weird beliefs. So what he’s a smart person. Why do people like you get so nasty about the prospect of someone and something good finally happening. It had damned well better or we’re fucked.
Charley
Puddy Katz,
True, bisexuals are held in less esteem by society than gays, but at least there is a connect there with heterosexuals also liking women, rather than the 100 percent gay. Straight society wants to keep us separate. Either straight or gay. It doesn’t work that way in nature. Kinsey scale is valid.
hells kitchen guy
“It may be wrong but people are allowed to feel that being gay is a sin. I don’t agree with that, but there it is.”
I have to words for that comment. “Fuck. And “you.”
hells kitchen guy
Mr. C:You sure your name isn’t Mr. T?
Mr C
Alacer you’re right and I have said that over and over again about these candidates.
They can’t do anything for the LGBT community it’s the house and Senate and I don’t see them doing anything anytime soon. Sad but true.
But unfortunately some are blinded by race. Like Churchill and some others on here. Because according to him. All Black churches are homophobic. Like he knows. Let me the media twist words and morph vidoes and all of sudden you now have weapons….PLEASE
When the WHITE pastors have been casting the fags to hell FOREVER and still do and Hillary prays right along side HOMOHATER Sen Sam Brownback with the radical christian group “The Family”.
YES I support Obama and would be willing to support Clinton if things come out right at the convention. I don’t want to see McCain win this election.
Hells Kitchen No it’s Mr C excuse the blood boiling but some of these queens have some much mouth behind a computer. Makes me wonder if we was in person.
Oh and Churchill before you call anyone “STUPID” and a MORON BOY! Go slap your Mother next Sunday for Mother’s since she brought your idiotic ass in this world.
And a damn shame she did!
churchill-y
Mr C said; “But unfortunately some are blinded by race”. There’s an old proverb that say’s “The thief always judges other’s based on his own actions”. Maybee that’s to deep for your pea brain to understand, so i’m going to explain myself. The only one who seems to not be able to see more than black is you Mr C. Truth is were Obama white he wouldn’t even be a candidate in the democratic party. Let’s not even talk about winning states like Georgia and South Carolina just because they have overwhelmingly african american populations.
There were way better qualified candidates than Obama who got the Ax just because they weren’t born with enough melanin, John Edwards comes to mind.
“All Black churches are homophobic. Like he knows”
All I have to name is:
-Rev. Willie F. Wilson
-Donnie Mcclurkin
-Much to the amasement of some people here Rev. Wright.
-Made up muslim cult leader Louis Farrakhan
Need I go on? No one is forcing these BIGOTS to publicly come out to say what they think. I don’t have to be black or go to a black church to know there ideology, they do a pretty damn good job of making it public. Not only wouldn’t this whole blog be enough to name them all but I would be waisting my time with Obambi supporter’s like you who seem to be dyslexic when it comes to anything that’s not black.
Concerning my mother, this might come as a surprise to you but I was raised in such a manner that I do not dare to raise my voice to my mother let alone even think of doing what you suggested.
Of course in the CRIME-RITTEN GHETTO where you probably come from SHOOTING one’s parents at seven years of age is seen as a rite of passage. Lord only knows if yours is still alive to receive whatever purse you can steal from the streets as a mother’s day present!
hells kitchen guy , who knows given what he has written here he could be much worse than a MR.T.
Almost forgot, Yes MORON BOY(Mr C ) were I to somehow find myself in the CRACK and HEROIN infested PROJECT you inhabit you can be sure I would have the same TRUTH telling mouth. I’m NOT AFRAID OF THUGHS LIKE YOU, there’s a reason why prison’s are filled with people like you. 🙂
Kid A
You kids crack me up.
Afroguapo
May 4, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The All-White Elephant in the Room
By FRANK RICH
BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for “John Hagee Roman Church Hitler,†and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
What you’ll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,†Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.†That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,†which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious conservatives’ favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.
Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee’s views? This particular YouTube video — far from the only one — was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.
Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it’s true, did not blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a scheduled “homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came.â€
Mr. Hagee didn’t make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He broadcast it on one of America’s most widely heard radio programs, “Fresh Air†on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as “nonsense†and the preacher retract it.
Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee’s calumnies, any more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright’s. But those who try to give Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at Mr. Hagee’s church.
That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient of this bigot’s endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war†with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.) Even after Mr. Hagee’s Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything†remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.â€
I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full “Great Whore†glory. But Mr. McCain didn’t have to fear so rude a transgression. Mr. Hagee’s videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright’s. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just doesn’t have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.
Perhaps that’s why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant prototype for Mr. Wright’s fiery claim that 9/11 was America’s chickens “coming home to roost.†That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks on America’s abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr. Wright blamed the attacks on America’s foreign policy.) Had that video re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers “agents of intolerance†and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his Liberty University in 2006.
None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right. It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama’s long relationship with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to weigh Mr. Obama’s judgment in handling this personal and political crisis as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is disingenuous to pretend that there isn’t a double standard operating here. If we’re to judge black candidates on their most controversial associates — and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them — we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.
When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson’s greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, “The New World Order,†which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy theories about “European bankers†(who just happened to be named Warburg, Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr. Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas’ wedding, so this priest officiated at (one of) Mr. Giuliani’s. Did you even hear about it?
There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.
A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of “political correctness†or “reverse racism.â€
An all-white Congressional delegation doesn’t happen by accident. It’s the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his party’s South Carolina primary of 2000.
This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting) campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North Carolina’s Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that state’s current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black people in his tour of “forgotten†America. Speaking of Katrina in New Orleans, he promised that “never again†would a federal recovery effort be botched on so grand a scale.
This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney’s dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up to a point. Here, too, there’s a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama’s, Mr. McCain’s New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.
Mr. McCain took his party’s stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed an independent commission to investigate the failed government response. Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for “a conversation†about whether anyone should “rebuild it, tear it down, you know, whatever it is.†Whatever, whenever, never mind.
For all this primary season’s obsession with the single (and declining) demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The Census Bureau announced last week that half the country’s population growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably alienated from the G.O.P.
Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there’s any coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane Jeremiah, it’s that this nation’s perennially promised candid conversation on race has yet to begin.
Afroguapo
And Charley, I wanted to get back to you regarding some of your other comments to me.
Charley:
That you show such glee is utterly lost on me and apparently you either skim what I write or you don’t understand it. I concur with Tom that Wright’s behavior was utterly narcissistic and obnoxious and perhaps payback for his “perceived slight that Barack threw him under the bus (the loony uncle that you tolerate†reference) as posited by Bob Herbert in Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04…..ref=slogin
I have stated repeatedly that there is a double standard whereby Wright’s comments are imputed and attributed to BHO as though BHO co-authored them whereas with white politicians and their pastors or religious affiliations, people can parse words and actions and make all sorts of distinctions between these pastors and the candidate or president in question. I have also stated that in this age of digital information and immediate access that I find it strange that people get caught up in Goddaman AmeriKKKa 30-second clips (making blanket assumptions) without finding out actual context. I mentioned that Wright was actually quoting Ambassador Peck as to why foreigners hate us under the notion, you reap what you sow and that you cannot commit atrocities or trangressions (apartheid, looking askance at or being complicit in the ill-treatment of palestinians, pillaging Native Americans of their land and decimating their population and turning them into the Maori of North America as opposed to New Zealand, condoning, sanctioning and building your country on the backs of slaves for centuries, bombing of Panamanian civilian communinities (incidentally, part of my family is from there), etc.) and not expect those things to somehow be revisited upon you, essentially karma. I looked up the speech to find out why he was stating Goddamn America and found it quite quickly and thought many would do the same. I don’t find his statements that controversial or unconsionable but then again, I am a northerneastern-bred liberal born and raised outside NYC in the leafy suburbs by parents who instilled in my sister and me to question everything and everyone and not just accept what’s been stated as fact. I also said that while I found some of Wright’s views anachronistic, I understood that he may have felt the way he did given his age and his experiences (trenchant segregation, lack of opportunity, etc.) but that he didn’t appreciate how much progress we’ve made and that society wasn’t static/fixed. With respect to the controversial views (AIDS being spread by the government), I said that unfortunately due to past (Tuskeegee) and not that long ago and present incidents (e.g., sterilization programs, putting sludge on the lawns of poor blacks without disclosing potential harmful effects and experiments the South African government tried against blacks during apartheid) that some blacks feel that this country is more than capable of doing nefarious things given historical precedent. Charley, I believe you are approaching 70 and I think it’s nigh time that you exhibit conduct becoming an elderly and wiser man. I am frankly fatigued by having to defend myself constantly when you have people on here who act like they’ve stopped taking their bipolar meds and scream all sorts of obscenities, half-truths and distorted or unreliable kernels of supposed information. You should be chastising them. Capisce? La lucha continua. Regards, Afro.
churchill-y
“Anyone who does the math knows that America is on the track to become a white-minority nation in three to four decades”
There you have it folks, at the end of all the gibberish afroguapo has posted. That’s what people like him and Mr C are salivating about, the day when they can see whitey in the same crappy conditions they find themselves in now.
Of course they fail to recognize that if whites ever become a minority, blacks will be non -existant in this country and the few that remain will get to know what real oppression is about at the hands of the Latinos because they really view blacks as subhumans. Even in latin countries with sizeable black populations they are view as undesireable and really kept at the margins of society.
Afroguapo and MR C , I hear Zimbabwe is going through a shall we say black renaissance of sorts, if I were you I would go there now and not wait for your wet dream of a 3-4 decade demographic change wich in the end will really bring to you the complete marginalization you so loudly shout your being a victim of now by whites.
Lets just hope that the GOODHEARTED PEOPLE OF THE HOOSIER STATE OF INDIANA CONTRIBUTE TO PUT A HALT TO CLOWNS LIKE THESE. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!
Afroguapo
Churchill Y
Don’t presume that you know anything about me. I am hardly salivating about the day when whites are in the minority and I doubt Mr C is either. And for your edification, Frank Rich, a white man, wrote this column and it’s about the double standards we’ve seen in the media regarding Write, Haggee, etc. Where have I said anything hateful about whites in my posts? Please tell me. If anything, there are countless examples of others saying anti-black things on the site. Sounds like you have a classic case of Projection. Moreover, my friends run the gamut (white, hispanic, asian, black etc.), so have my boyfriends and I am of an attenuated mixed background myself, so please refrain from making blanket assumptions when Rich writes something that gets your panties in a bunch and you somehow feel vulnerable or threatened and go ballistic.
Afroguapo
And your post 30 substantiates the projection theory. Get help and meds. Good luck, Afro.
churchill-y
Typical angry black man, Obama supporters are WANNABE elitists out of touch
with reality jerks.
If clowns like these ever get into power look at “Colonial-Era Habits Die Hard” post because that sort of behavior is what we have to look foward to.
We need economic and foward looking prosperity. ********INDIANA FOR HILLARY!**********
Afroguapo
I am hardly angry, quite the contrary. Bewildered though as you and others have gone plum crazy and then call me angry when I write or post something contrary. To illustrate, you wrote this:
Concerning my mother, this might come as a surprise to you but I was raised in such a manner that I do not dare to raise my voice to my mother let alone even think of doing what you suggested.
Of course in the CRIME-RITTEN GHETTO where you probably come from SHOOTING one’s parents at seven years of age is seen as a rite of passage. Lord only knows if yours is still alive to receive whatever purse you can steal from the streets as a mother’s day present!
hells kitchen guy , who knows given what he has written here he could be much worse than a MR.T.
Almost forgot, Yes MORON BOY(Mr C ) were I to somehow find myself in the CRACK and HEROIN infested PROJECT you inhabit you can be sure I would have the same TRUTH telling mouth. I’m NOT AFRAID OF THUGHS LIKE YOU, there’s a reason why prison’s are filled with people like you. 🙂
Mr C
Afroguapo, Thanks for allowing him to realize who he is. Unfortunately another queen who has all mouth and no action.
You should know whe we confront issues this is how they respond we’re MAD AND ANGRY!
WHATEVER! THAT BITCH IS A PINK PUSSY PUNK!
I don’t have time to entertain this racist queen any longer for she will see the ERROR of her ways when McCain wins and cast TERROR on this community and maybe when her head is bashed in she will realize not to be a Hypocrite.
Nothing more said.
HILLARY NO!
John Norris
It’s unfortunate that so many people with whom I share a common life experience on this site have chosen to either attack me rather than the merits of the message or view my concerns about Reverend Meeks as a hit piece.
Obama has disavowed Reverend Wright. Meanwhile, his long-time associate, the Senator and Pastor James Meeks continues on as a superdelegate. Meeks has built twin political and religious careers on his extremely anti-gay agenda.
Why is it unreasonable for our community, regardless of what candidate you support, to request that Senator Obama ask Meeks to resign as superdelegate? He could do so quietly and without fanfair.
Allowing Meeks to be a superdelegate “leader” of our party undercuts, to me, the credibility of Obama’s outstanding LGBT platform.
If he can disavow Wright, his aides can surely send the message to Meeks that it is appropriate to step down.
If you are unsure of Meeks, some examples of his hatred toward us are at:
http://obamameeksrecord.wordpress.com/
Sincerely,
John
Mr C
John,
I need you to answer something for me. What are LGBT rights, Is there such a thing? Also the only thing I’ve seen Hillary Clinton do is go to Gay Pride parades in NYC and has talked to The Gay Press. You don’t think she has super delegates that don’t agree with anything LGBT? Do you honestly think that she can do a lot for the community and for that matter anyone?
What really bothers me here is this. Never before has the Gay community ever cared about Black Gays (On a whole scale) this is why Black Gay Pride was created. Unlike some white gays on here assume that we’re all on The Down Low. Like no other race of people do the same thing. It’s very easy make issues of another race of people to direct the spotlight from yourself I’m not saying you, once again this is in general.
Now we have a Bi-Racial candidate for President and Fox News puts clips of Jeremiah Wright together and make it looks as if he is Anti-White I can’t speak for him but I don’t believe he is. Now to the Gay community a man who has been very compassionate to this community is now seeing him as a hatemonger. I guess they can see what it feels like when Blacks go into a predominately white gay bar and get the same treatment. As for James Meeks I can’t speak for him. I don’t know much about him. However, I will not dispute the comments. But please tell me then all of the White churches in America love the LGBT Community? I don’t think so and you know it’s not true. And those ministers have said WORSE. So why is Barack being held to a higher standard? Although the faith based people Hillary is attached to are smart and not speaking. However her advisors are telling white super delegates remember Jeremiah Wright and that is a subliminal racial tactic. But we’re watching.
I am not attacking you. For what you’re saying is fair gain. But for this community to all of a sudden now say that All Black churches are homophobic is just racist and there is no truth. This primary has brought some true feelings out as far as race is concerned. And I will say this if we can’t get along as LGBT without racial handles then why any legislation should be passed. Who will benefit from this only the WHITE LGBT? If James Meeks is really bothering you, Then tell me all of Hillary‘s people love us as well? This is an election and THEY ALL will say and do what it takes to win REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATS alike.
churchill-y
MR C asks, “What are LGBT rights, Is there such a thing?”
Why do you think we have a blog like this?
Why do you think Gay people are able to kiss freely in the streets of this country without the fear of being arrested like in places where people of your race happen to be in the majority like the Cayman Islands?
But of course your dislexia for use of a more milder term for Afrocentric self loathing homos like you doesn’t allow you to see the good in anything that doesn’t have the word black or afro first. Hence “Black Gay Pride was created” and hence your need to see a “WHITE LGBT” monster.
Why is it that you don’t hear of other LGBT groups of other races emphasise such much on their ethnicity rather than their sexual orientation?
Could it be because they see themselves part of a larger family than that of their race?
It’s all about race for people like you and afroguapo even at the expense of your dignity, hence the DOWN LOW phenomenom.
“I am not attacking you. For what you’re saying is fair gain”. Please, all people like you do is attack since youre not capable of intelligently justify what you spout.
Please don’t hate on TRUE MEN like JOHN NORRIS for informing us so that we can make the correct desicion about who TRUE FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS want to see in our government.
Much to your surprise not all of us would want to find ourselves nation wide rulled by the ilk of the black politicians who are in the majority in some areas of the U.S, where they actively trump over in a VILE manner LGBT RIGHTS.
I know this much if it depended on BLACK GAYS we would have NO LGBT RIGHTS.
churchill-y
*********HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT***********
Afroguapo
Churchill-Y
You know nothing about me nor Mr C. It’s not all about race for me as you posit. I am forthright and proud about both being gay AND black. I challenge straight people when they say homophobic things much in the same way I challenge white gays when they say racist things. You are the one obsessed with race as you’re the one spewing invective and invidious hateful language, reread your posts if you can’t discern that. I am the one who has repeatedly said I want a Democrat in the White House as I am fearful for this country (dismal economy, environment, war, healthcare, infrastructure, putting gay marriage on the back burner for now as it’s not that important right now for me in the grand scheme of things) and will take HRC despite her chicanery over McCain any day whereas many white democratic gays have said they will take McCain over Obama if he gets the nomination (you interpret that one). Your ugliness is really rearing its head.
churchill-y
Read this carefully and slowly Afroguapo.
Go back and read your posts because you seem to only see the evil in whites. You’re wright I don’t know you nor MR C nor do I wan’t to but if you say you challange homophobia when you encounter it, even though your unable to put the words black and homophobe in a same sentence but run to joining the words white and racist, you and I are in the same page. I have reread my posts, after your finished with yours read MR C
before you say that I am “spewing invective and invidious hateful language” anyone with a well functioning brain will be able to discern who the letrine mouth is. I won’t hold my breath thinking that you can be reasanoble AFRO.
Afroguapo
Churchill-Y,or whoever you are, I did read Mr. C’s posts. While he may have used expletives or profane speech “Kiss My Ass” or harsh language AFTER you insulted him: “Oh and Churchill before you call anyone “STUPID†and a MORON BOY! Go slap your Mother next Sunday for Mother’s [Day] since she brought your idiotic ass in this world. And a damn shame she did!” he didn’t resort to race which is where you took it in all of your posts. I don’t see how if I can understand the meaning behind the infamous Goddamn America speech, that that somehow makes me think whites are evil or that I am anti-white. So yes, you and others (and they know who they are) are the ones who are spewing invective (Post #30), not me. Very sad commentary that although you’re gay, you can’t see how common and racially warped you sound.
Afroguapo
And how is this anti-white? just because I’ve tried to analyze how some things may be interpreted or viewed through the lens of others?
Charley:
That you show such glee is utterly lost on me and apparently you either skim what I write or you don’t understand it. I concur with Tom that Wright’s behavior was utterly narcissistic and obnoxious and perhaps payback for his “perceived slight that Barack threw him under the bus (the loony uncle that you tolerate†reference) as posited by Bob Herbert in Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04…..ref=slogin
I have stated repeatedly that there is a double standard whereby Wright’s comments are imputed and attributed to BHO as though BHO co-authored them whereas with white politicians and their pastors or religious affiliations, people can parse words and actions and make all sorts of distinctions between these pastors and the candidate or president in question. I have also stated that in this age of digital information and immediate access that I find it strange that people get caught up in Goddaman AmeriKKKa 30-second clips (making blanket assumptions) without finding out actual context. I mentioned that Wright was actually quoting Ambassador Peck as to why foreigners hate us under the notion, you reap what you sow and that you cannot commit atrocities or trangressions (apartheid, looking askance at or being complicit in the ill-treatment of palestinians, pillaging Native Americans of their land and decimating their population and turning them into the Maori of North America as opposed to New Zealand, condoning, sanctioning and building your country on the backs of slaves for centuries, bombing of Panamanian civilian communinities (incidentally, part of my family is from there), etc.) and not expect those things to somehow be revisited upon you, essentially karma. I looked up the speech to find out why he was stating Goddamn America and found it quite quickly and thought many would do the same. I don’t find his statements that controversial or unconsionable but then again, I am a northerneastern-bred liberal born and raised outside NYC in the leafy suburbs by parents who instilled in my sister and me to question everything and everyone and not just accept what’s been stated as fact. I also said that while I found some of Wright’s views anachronistic, I understood that he may have felt the way he did given his age and his experiences (trenchant segregation, lack of opportunity, etc.) but that he didn’t appreciate how much progress we’ve made and that society wasn’t static/fixed. With respect to the controversial views (AIDS being spread by the government), I said that unfortunately due to past (Tuskeegee) and not that long ago and present incidents (e.g., sterilization programs, putting sludge on the lawns of poor blacks without disclosing potential harmful effects and experiments the South African government tried against blacks during apartheid) that some blacks feel that this country is more than capable of doing nefarious things given historical precedent. Charley, I believe you are approaching 70 and I think it’s nigh time that you exhibit conduct becoming an elderly and wiser man. I am frankly fatigued by having to defend myself constantly when you have people on here who act like they’ve stopped taking their bipolar meds and scream all sorts of obscenities, half-truths and distorted or unreliable kernels of supposed information. You should be chastising them. Capisce? La lucha continua. Regards, Afro.