And, did you notice that he didn’t say a word about lesbians using artificial insemination? Guess it’s ok for lesbians to have biological children but not gay men. I guess because it’s normal for women to have babies. Guess gay men are once again shown to be abnormal? Great logic, folks.

“Oh My Gaw. Guuuurl, I slept under Grayson’s room last night….”

Just embarrassing.

While he is effectively ranting, he has a point about gays not putting adoption first before anything else.

Here, hereosexual want kids of their own, and therefore, there is something wrong with gays wanting it. As I said before, I think its cool to adopt, but the idea that someone is going to tell others they should adopt because they are moralizing to them about adoption is just as a reverse- orthodoxy.

Whatever straights do, we can’t do because if we do it, then “we are being forced.” The other variant of this argument that I love along this thread is “if you have kids, that’s placing some kind of pressure on me to confirm.” How does that work exactly? My actions that I do not require someone to perform forces them to act as I do? The selfish part to me is where they argue that we all must confirm to their reverse orthodoxy or we are confirming to straight orthodoxy. The third choice- that having kids is what we want never enters the picture.

If your wish to be a parent is truly about nurturing a child to the point they can live a fulfilling life, then adoption is the reasonable path. The need to pass on your genes should play no part in it.

Some of the posters here act like nobody ever gave up five years of their life wiping their asses, spoon-feeding them mashed bananas and listened to them babble until they were half blind with fatigue.

Never mind ridiculing people for “mimicking straights”. Thank your fucking stars some people (a good number of them straight) have the dedication and wherewithall to brats like you in the first place.

Enough of this silly talk; go call your moms and dads and say something nice to them. Do you think you crawled out from under a rock or something?

Also, what if you’re a single gay?

why cant gays be content with adoption?

Stupid berk.

“Most of the women alive today of child-bearing age are literally incapable of not having babies.”

Wow. Your comment just made my freaking day. Get a life, dude. And if that’s too hard for you, why don’t you try putting yourself in a woman’s shoes. Ignorance is bliss, right?

The reason it equates to mimicry should be apparent, given the amount of press gay marriage gets. Straights get upset because they feel their unique institution will be taken away and sullied if gays get it, and gays want the opportunity to be equal with straights. I don’t have any problem with this at all as far as the ability for gays to marry goes, btw, other than personally I have no reason to want to do so.

The mimicry of having a child should be apparent as well, as it’s the product of the defining difference between homos and hets.

I’m not “demonizing” you by any means. Knock yourself out with your hubby and your house full of kids. But if you don’t see how you’re mirroring straight culture by doing so you’re just in denial.

But again, that’s just how I would feel. So I can see his point and at the same time love and respect my friends who have had children through surrogacy.

People “want” children so therefore they have them. People have children so they can have heirs, carry on the family name or any number of reasons. I’ve heard more than a few father’s talk about “my house, my job, my kid(s)”…like it is some kind of accomplishment to reproduce. Does anyone have children “for the good of humanity?” Now, having said all this, and please note again, it is many people I’m referring to, not most or all – I don’t think as wonderful as it is to have a child, nurture a new life, watch him/her grow, discover things etc. I would never say that it is mimicking straight people to want a child.

Why do we have to waste time hating each other when there is so much important work to be done to ensure that we have equal rights to pursue our individual bliss?

To hell with Rupert. The only Everett we need is BRENT EVERETT

When my partner (who is adopted) and I decided to have a family, we looked into adoption first, and decided we didn’t want to go down a long path of waiting and to be put towards the bottom of the adoption list just because we are a gay couple. We were lucky to have had the financial means to utilize surrogacy to have our family. Many lives have come together through that process, and all are better for it. We were blessed with three children in fourteen months…there’s nothing egocentric about that…just a lot of hard work and a lot of love that goes around every day.

Rupert, let’s try to take more of a stand to support our fellow gay brother and sisters and for the very personal decisions we all make for the betterment our lives and families. Cheers!

Wrong. It’s actually very easy in most states. I think there are only two — Fla. & Ark. — that have specific anti-gay adoption laws on the books. Some states, like CA & NY, actually have AD CAMPAIGNS encouraging gay couples to adopt.

I think it’s all in what a person wants for their own life…not everyone is cut out to be a parent..but those that wish to be should be at least given the opportunity to do so, without the interference of people who don’t wish to do so themselves, nor those that can’t see beyond their own rigid opinions.

It’s part of the equal rights fight, a big part of it. And there are many who can benefit from it…both biological offspring and not.

Beyond that, Rupert is a cranky ole shit who lost his acting mojo long ago; but if wants to be that…it’s his life…just don’t be surprised if others don’t agree with ya, Ru.